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00:02:03,607\n請問你們在推動這個以前你們在推動這個國旅嘛觀光署也知道這個國旅的安心旅遊方案啊都會考慮到我們離島的旅遊加碼那請問這次的吸引國際觀客有沒有比照我們金門金門有沒有比照當初推動這個國旅啊我們離島要加碼不然那個國際觀客怎麼會到金門來他到台灣來還要再做分析過去就不願意啦這個這個怎麼辦咧你們的計畫在哪裡\n\n6\n00:02:08,027 --> 00:02:28,920\n委員這部分因為整個前瞻的預算裡頭有關吸引國際觀光客是它是整體的所以看來整體的嘛整體就是包括颱風金嘛嘛那如果金門必須沒有用委員稍微說明一下所以不管是自由行或者是團客的部分我們可以針對這樣的一個特殊性或離島或是是因為如果金門沒有誘因\n\n7\n00:02:30,721 --> 00:02:32,302\n委員會後把提供的相關加碼的辦法、計畫提供給本席,好嗎?\n\n8\n00:02:46,021 --> 00:02:46,141\n主席\n\n9\n00:03:11,412 --> 00:03:18,435\n國際旅客才願意到金門去,謝謝交通部。接著我們請經濟部,我看到你們的計畫裡頭,你們書面報告裡頭有關於推動傳統市級攤鋪升級的轉型計畫裡頭,有被凍結3000萬,那你們的報告裡頭,經濟部有提出來,你們要輔導100處的傳統市級攤鋪位於北中南東這4個地方,我們金門在哪裡?\n\n10\n00:03:39,543 --> 00:03:42,725\n有關教育部主管預算凍結書面報告案4案。有關教育部主管預算凍結書面報告案4案。\n\n11\n00:04:03,178 --> 00:04:20,127\n你這個北中南東我們到底算哪裡?這個中央政府對金門永遠是有的地方算北區什麼經濟部啊,有的算南區,中華電信啊,有的算什麼?不知道,反正東西南北都有,中區,水利署是中區,中華電信是南區,這個什麼東西是北區的,國稅局是北區?\n\n12\n00:04:21,227 --> 00:04:45,917\n我跟委員報告事實上我們是每一年只有3年的執行計畫嘛對每一年我們對你這個100歲有沒有我們金門離島有沒有你告訴我就好了有齁對有多少勒有包含有包含有在哪裡要去哪裡參加北東南東還要不要金門辦要去哪裡參加你告訴我如果金門有人要參加要去哪裡參加我們可以事實上我們也可以規劃到離島來做說明好那你就幫我們辦一個然後我們幫我們金門辦一區好沒有問題沒有問題好謝謝那名額有吧那也是\n\n13\n00:04:49,522 --> 00:05:13,306\n有齁?有齁?好,謝謝。這個,今天那個第4次首長會議,水利署啦,這個我們已經上次也提過齁,我們自來水廠欠財政部齁,上次問過財政部,我們欠他地方建設基金2.4億,我們會欠他是因為我們把中央應該負擔的水的這個預算,我們自己來負擔,然後財政部要我們先借錢給中央,先墊付,以後他會還我們,水利署知道這件事情吧?\n\n14\n00:05:14,333 --> 00:05:29,803\n知道這件事情嗎?這個13.55億是金門縣電當行政院電的,對吧?這個中央有核定說我們先電,電了後叫說你們要還我們,那現在財政部那個基金要收起來了,你們又沒有要把錢給我們,要我們要去哪裡拿勒?\n\n15\n00:05:30,163 --> 00:05:49,467\n不是,當時的這個計畫依照行政院核定,主計總署是要求說建設的部分要經門縣政府來自從,營運的部分的利息負擔當然可以...你們要來,我們推行的部分你們要分年補貼給我們對不對?你們不但補貼不夠而且還遲延撥款,我們今年拿到是前年我們幫你們中央政府墊的,對不對?\n\n16\n00:05:49,887 --> 00:06:18,906\n我們這個每年我們都有爭取大院來支持這個預算我們金門立法院會支持你不用擔心你們經濟部怎麼可以慈嚴付款給我們呢我們每兩年的利息要找誰算財政部要跟我們收利息你們我們要找誰收包括委員因為還有包括澎湖還有連江對啦他們會爭取我爭取金門你告訴我金門你要怎麼處理自來水本來就不是地方政府的事情那你這個錢我們的利息要不要還我們這麼多年每一年都慈嚴付款\n\n17\n00:06:20,508 --> 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03:18.435\n國際旅客才願意到金門去,謝謝交通部。接著我們請經濟部,我看到你們的計畫裡頭,你們書面報告裡頭有關於推動傳統市級攤鋪升級的轉型計畫裡頭,有被凍結3000萬,那你們的報告裡頭,經濟部有提出來,你們要輔導100處的傳統市級攤鋪位於北中南東這4個地方,我們金門在哪裡?\n\n03:39.543 --> 03:42.725\n有關教育部主管預算凍結書面報告案4案。有關教育部主管預算凍結書面報告案4案。\n\n04:03.178 --> 04:20.127\n你這個北中南東我們到底算哪裡?這個中央政府對金門永遠是有的地方算北區什麼經濟部啊,有的算南區,中華電信啊,有的算什麼?不知道,反正東西南北都有,中區,水利署是中區,中華電信是南區,這個什麼東西是北區的,國稅局是北區?\n\n04:21.227 --> 04:45.917\n我跟委員報告事實上我們是每一年只有3年的執行計畫嘛對每一年我們對你這個100歲有沒有我們金門離島有沒有你告訴我就好了有齁對有多少勒有包含有包含有在哪裡要去哪裡參加北東南東還要不要金門辦要去哪裡參加你告訴我如果金門有人要參加要去哪裡參加我們可以事實上我們也可以規劃到離島來做說明好那你就幫我們辦一個然後我們幫我們金門辦一區好沒有問題沒有問題好謝謝那名額有吧那也是\n\n04:49.522 --> 05:13.306\n有齁?有齁?好,謝謝。這個,今天那個第4次首長會議,水利署啦,這個我們已經上次也提過齁,我們自來水廠欠財政部齁,上次問過財政部,我們欠他地方建設基金2.4億,我們會欠他是因為我們把中央應該負擔的水的這個預算,我們自己來負擔,然後財政部要我們先借錢給中央,先墊付,以後他會還我們,水利署知道這件事情吧?\n\n05:14.333 --> 05:29.803\n知道這件事情嗎?這個13.55億是金門縣電當行政院電的,對吧?這個中央有核定說我們先電,電了後叫說你們要還我們,那現在財政部那個基金要收起來了,你們又沒有要把錢給我們,要我們要去哪裡拿勒?\n\n05:30.163 --> 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