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00:00:52,146\n因為今天要處理特別預算的時候我就先稍微整理了一下就是我們看到112年度我們要辦理政府辦理特別預算總共大概有五項包括中央政府新式戰機採購特別預算然後包括了那個特殊傳染性疾病就是我們COVID-19相關的第一次到第三次的預算還有原本特別預算\n\n3\n00:00:53,323 --> 00:01:20,500\n還有疫後強化經濟後的特別預算第4次的最佳預算這大概都是之前的還有一個海空戰力特別提升計畫的台客特別預算這都是我們中央政府在做的112年度涉及的5項預算的其中3項我要特別講的狀態就是說因為整個蔡政府這幾年下來的時候她處理的特別預算非常非常的多\n\n4\n00:01:21,580 --> 00:01:39,816\n我們認為對於整個財政基礎已經有受到一些影響那對於這幾年來我們的整個舉債的金額大概已經要到我們以2022年整個全國GDP總額22.67兆幾乎佔了一成因為我們看到整個舉債數當中的時候是在2兆2586億對於這樣的一個特別預算的運用\n\n5\n00:01:49,063 --> 00:02:15,754\n請問一下副主席長這邊有沒有什麼樣子的看法?我們要怎麼樣子來調整會比較妥適?剛剛我們報告就是說基本上我們特別預算一定是最近所提出來都是先有一個條例那接著我們再來編列預算所以基本上在這個條例的審查過程已經確定了有這個需求所以我們來提列這個特別預算那至於這個有關債務的部分實際上\n\n6\n00:02:17,935 --> 00:02:32,709\n從105年到現在我們這個一年以上的這個債務佔GDP的比例已經從32.9%降到目前這個是26%點多所以實際上它是一個下降的趨勢\n\n7\n00:02:33,510 --> 00:02:33,670\n有請陳次\n\n8\n00:02:56,270 --> 00:03:16,545\n市長好因為前瞻計畫第一期跟第二期特別預算已經分別超過預算執行期限4年到2年那很多計畫也都還沒有執行完均那第三期特別預算辦理的分支計畫當中超過6成沒有在特別預算執行期限完成其中包括我們新竹市的大車站計畫\n\n9\n00:03:17,886 --> 00:03:46,057\n在第二期第三期都有特別預算編列計畫經費結果執行都是零那這邊的時候我們把整個前瞻計畫這邊的第一期第二期第三期當中的時候未完成的數量它持續的增加持續的增加那持續增加的原因的時候我覺得有一個很大的因素是在於地方政府也籌不出那麼多的錢我們看到去年7月中的\n\n10\n00:03:50,158 --> 00:04:04,482\n整個前瞻計畫的餅很大一旦看起來很充足可是暗藏了很多的問題按照前瞻計畫八千多億裡面有七成都是軌道建設合併經費是5486億元中央政府補助2203億元其他地方自籌款要高達3283億元\n\n11\n00:04:14,485 --> 00:04:41,846\n這麼多的一個部分地方自籌費用其實是沒有辦法去因應的所以我剛剛除了指出了新竹大車站計畫它的質詢率是零之外的時候還包括了台中捷運綠線那麼大台中地區山海線還有台南鐵路立體化的部分恆春觀光鐵道計畫的部分質詢率也都是零那這樣的一個情況你覺得主要因素是什麼\n\n12\n00:04:43,972 --> 00:05:09,916\n剛才委員特別提到的幾個計畫其實它目前都是在相關的一個要嘛是可行性的研究的階段它相關的議題還需要釐清所以讓它後續進行中規或者是建設的計畫的期程有所延誤那這些其實在這個前瞻裡頭也大概都是編列可行性的相關的經費那這一部分我們會盡量來協助地方政府\n\n13\n00:05:10,796 --> 00:05:12,137\n提出可行的方案\n\n14\n00:05:31,422 --> 00:05:58,954\n相關計畫非常龐大,然後地方政府負擔非常重。我稍微看了一下,在第1期到第3期的時候,地方政府自籌的經費大概已經編列出1514億,不過大概只佔到中央合定數的33%,大概1⅓左右,還不到。地方政府財政非常捉襟見肘。在整個前瞻第1期到第3期的時候,分支計畫都還沒有完整,比例越來越高。\n\n15\n00:06:00,174 --> 00:06:17,241\n請教次長,我們這邊有沒有辦法去提高中央各項經費的負擔的一個比例,來減輕地方自籌的一個壓力?跟委員報告,這個地方在經濟上的一個負擔,這個我們是有看到。但是每一個建設計畫裡頭,它其實要分兩塊來看。一個是有關這個自償的部分。\n\n16\n00:06:20,982 --> 00:06:37,453\n所以要是能夠計畫的市場越高那當然相對大家在分擔的比例上就會那個減輕那另外一個其實各縣市政府他的這個也會依財力分級來做不同樣的一個負擔所以剛才委員講到三分之一是一個normal平均值\n\n17\n00:06:37,773 --> 00:06:37,853\n請羅天瑋委員質詢\n\n18\n00:07:08,652 --> 00:07:08,674\n好,謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n1863\t25929\t陳副組長副組長好因為今天在處理我們中央政府前瞻基礎建設第4期的特別預算還有那個中央政府疫後強化經濟與社會韌性及全民共享經濟成果特別預算那我在想說\n27349\t52146\t因為今天要處理特別預算的時候我就先稍微整理了一下就是我們看到112年度我們要辦理政府辦理特別預算總共大概有五項包括中央政府新式戰機採購特別預算然後包括了那個特殊傳染性疾病就是我們COVID-19相關的第一次到第三次的預算還有原本特別預算\n53323\t80500\t還有疫後強化經濟後的特別預算第4次的最佳預算這大概都是之前的還有一個海空戰力特別提升計畫的台客特別預算這都是我們中央政府在做的112年度涉及的5項預算的其中3項我要特別講的狀態就是說因為整個蔡政府這幾年下來的時候她處理的特別預算非常非常的多\n81580\t99816\t我們認為對於整個財政基礎已經有受到一些影響那對於這幾年來我們的整個舉債的金額大概已經要到我們以2022年整個全國GDP總額22.67兆幾乎佔了一成因為我們看到整個舉債數當中的時候是在2兆2586億對於這樣的一個特別預算的運用\n109063\t135754\t請問一下副主席長這邊有沒有什麼樣子的看法?我們要怎麼樣子來調整會比較妥適?剛剛我們報告就是說基本上我們特別預算一定是最近所提出來都是先有一個條例那接著我們再來編列預算所以基本上在這個條例的審查過程已經確定了有這個需求所以我們來提列這個特別預算那至於這個有關債務的部分實際上\n137935\t152709\t從105年到現在我們這個一年以上的這個債務佔GDP的比例已經從32.9%降到目前這個是26%點多所以實際上它是一個下降的趨勢\n153510\t153670\t有請陳次\n176270\t196545\t市長好因為前瞻計畫第一期跟第二期特別預算已經分別超過預算執行期限4年到2年那很多計畫也都還沒有執行完均那第三期特別預算辦理的分支計畫當中超過6成沒有在特別預算執行期限完成其中包括我們新竹市的大車站計畫\n197886\t226057\t在第二期第三期都有特別預算編列計畫經費結果執行都是零那這邊的時候我們把整個前瞻計畫這邊的第一期第二期第三期當中的時候未完成的數量它持續的增加持續的增加那持續增加的原因的時候我覺得有一個很大的因素是在於地方政府也籌不出那麼多的錢我們看到去年7月中的\n230158\t244482\t整個前瞻計畫的餅很大一旦看起來很充足可是暗藏了很多的問題按照前瞻計畫八千多億裡面有七成都是軌道建設合併經費是5486億元中央政府補助2203億元其他地方自籌款要高達3283億元\n254485\t281846\t這麼多的一個部分地方自籌費用其實是沒有辦法去因應的所以我剛剛除了指出了新竹大車站計畫它的質詢率是零之外的時候還包括了台中捷運綠線那麼大台中地區山海線還有台南鐵路立體化的部分恆春觀光鐵道計畫的部分質詢率也都是零那這樣的一個情況你覺得主要因素是什麼\n283972\t309916\t剛才委員特別提到的幾個計畫其實它目前都是在相關的一個要嘛是可行性的研究的階段它相關的議題還需要釐清所以讓它後續進行中規或者是建設的計畫的期程有所延誤那這些其實在這個前瞻裡頭也大概都是編列可行性的相關的經費那這一部分我們會盡量來協助地方政府\n310796\t312137\t提出可行的方案\n331422\t358954\t相關計畫非常龐大,然後地方政府負擔非常重。我稍微看了一下,在第1期到第3期的時候,地方政府自籌的經費大概已經編列出1514億,不過大概只佔到中央合定數的33%,大概1⅓左右,還不到。地方政府財政非常捉襟見肘。在整個前瞻第1期到第3期的時候,分支計畫都還沒有完整,比例越來越高。\n360174\t377241\t請教次長,我們這邊有沒有辦法去提高中央各項經費的負擔的一個比例,來減輕地方自籌的一個壓力?跟委員報告,這個地方在經濟上的一個負擔,這個我們是有看到。但是每一個建設計畫裡頭,它其實要分兩塊來看。一個是有關這個自償的部分。\n380982\t397453\t所以要是能夠計畫的市場越高那當然相對大家在分擔的比例上就會那個減輕那另外一個其實各縣市政府他的這個也會依財力分級來做不同樣的一個負擔所以剛才委員講到三分之一是一個normal平均值\n397773\t397853\t請羅天瑋委員質詢\n428652\t428674\t好,謝謝\n","txt":"陳副組長副組長好因為今天在處理我們中央政府前瞻基礎建設第4期的特別預算還有那個中央政府疫後強化經濟與社會韌性及全民共享經濟成果特別預算那我在想說\n因為今天要處理特別預算的時候我就先稍微整理了一下就是我們看到112年度我們要辦理政府辦理特別預算總共大概有五項包括中央政府新式戰機採購特別預算然後包括了那個特殊傳染性疾病就是我們COVID-19相關的第一次到第三次的預算還有原本特別預算\n還有疫後強化經濟後的特別預算第4次的最佳預算這大概都是之前的還有一個海空戰力特別提升計畫的台客特別預算這都是我們中央政府在做的112年度涉及的5項預算的其中3項我要特別講的狀態就是說因為整個蔡政府這幾年下來的時候她處理的特別預算非常非常的多\n我們認為對於整個財政基礎已經有受到一些影響那對於這幾年來我們的整個舉債的金額大概已經要到我們以2022年整個全國GDP總額22.67兆幾乎佔了一成因為我們看到整個舉債數當中的時候是在2兆2586億對於這樣的一個特別預算的運用\n請問一下副主席長這邊有沒有什麼樣子的看法?我們要怎麼樣子來調整會比較妥適?剛剛我們報告就是說基本上我們特別預算一定是最近所提出來都是先有一個條例那接著我們再來編列預算所以基本上在這個條例的審查過程已經確定了有這個需求所以我們來提列這個特別預算那至於這個有關債務的部分實際上\n從105年到現在我們這個一年以上的這個債務佔GDP的比例已經從32.9%降到目前這個是26%點多所以實際上它是一個下降的趨勢\n有請陳次\n市長好因為前瞻計畫第一期跟第二期特別預算已經分別超過預算執行期限4年到2年那很多計畫也都還沒有執行完均那第三期特別預算辦理的分支計畫當中超過6成沒有在特別預算執行期限完成其中包括我們新竹市的大車站計畫\n在第二期第三期都有特別預算編列計畫經費結果執行都是零那這邊的時候我們把整個前瞻計畫這邊的第一期第二期第三期當中的時候未完成的數量它持續的增加持續的增加那持續增加的原因的時候我覺得有一個很大的因素是在於地方政府也籌不出那麼多的錢我們看到去年7月中的\n整個前瞻計畫的餅很大一旦看起來很充足可是暗藏了很多的問題按照前瞻計畫八千多億裡面有七成都是軌道建設合併經費是5486億元中央政府補助2203億元其他地方自籌款要高達3283億元\n這麼多的一個部分地方自籌費用其實是沒有辦法去因應的所以我剛剛除了指出了新竹大車站計畫它的質詢率是零之外的時候還包括了台中捷運綠線那麼大台中地區山海線還有台南鐵路立體化的部分恆春觀光鐵道計畫的部分質詢率也都是零那這樣的一個情況你覺得主要因素是什麼\n剛才委員特別提到的幾個計畫其實它目前都是在相關的一個要嘛是可行性的研究的階段它相關的議題還需要釐清所以讓它後續進行中規或者是建設的計畫的期程有所延誤那這些其實在這個前瞻裡頭也大概都是編列可行性的相關的經費那這一部分我們會盡量來協助地方政府\n提出可行的方案\n相關計畫非常龐大,然後地方政府負擔非常重。我稍微看了一下,在第1期到第3期的時候,地方政府自籌的經費大概已經編列出1514億,不過大概只佔到中央合定數的33%,大概1⅓左右,還不到。地方政府財政非常捉襟見肘。在整個前瞻第1期到第3期的時候,分支計畫都還沒有完整,比例越來越高。\n請教次長,我們這邊有沒有辦法去提高中央各項經費的負擔的一個比例,來減輕地方自籌的一個壓力?跟委員報告,這個地方在經濟上的一個負擔,這個我們是有看到。但是每一個建設計畫裡頭,它其實要分兩塊來看。一個是有關這個自償的部分。\n所以要是能夠計畫的市場越高那當然相對大家在分擔的比例上就會那個減輕那另外一個其實各縣市政府他的這個也會依財力分級來做不同樣的一個負擔所以剛才委員講到三分之一是一個normal平均值\n請羅天瑋委員質詢\n好,謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.863 --> 00:25.929\n陳副組長副組長好因為今天在處理我們中央政府前瞻基礎建設第4期的特別預算還有那個中央政府疫後強化經濟與社會韌性及全民共享經濟成果特別預算那我在想說\n\n00:27.349 --> 00:52.146\n因為今天要處理特別預算的時候我就先稍微整理了一下就是我們看到112年度我們要辦理政府辦理特別預算總共大概有五項包括中央政府新式戰機採購特別預算然後包括了那個特殊傳染性疾病就是我們COVID-19相關的第一次到第三次的預算還有原本特別預算\n\n00:53.323 --> 01:20.500\n還有疫後強化經濟後的特別預算第4次的最佳預算這大概都是之前的還有一個海空戰力特別提升計畫的台客特別預算這都是我們中央政府在做的112年度涉及的5項預算的其中3項我要特別講的狀態就是說因為整個蔡政府這幾年下來的時候她處理的特別預算非常非常的多\n\n01:21.580 --> 01:39.816\n我們認為對於整個財政基礎已經有受到一些影響那對於這幾年來我們的整個舉債的金額大概已經要到我們以2022年整個全國GDP總額22.67兆幾乎佔了一成因為我們看到整個舉債數當中的時候是在2兆2586億對於這樣的一個特別預算的運用\n\n01:49.063 --> 02:15.754\n請問一下副主席長這邊有沒有什麼樣子的看法?我們要怎麼樣子來調整會比較妥適?剛剛我們報告就是說基本上我們特別預算一定是最近所提出來都是先有一個條例那接著我們再來編列預算所以基本上在這個條例的審查過程已經確定了有這個需求所以我們來提列這個特別預算那至於這個有關債務的部分實際上\n\n02:17.935 --> 02:32.709\n從105年到現在我們這個一年以上的這個債務佔GDP的比例已經從32.9%降到目前這個是26%點多所以實際上它是一個下降的趨勢\n\n02:33.510 --> 02:33.670\n有請陳次\n\n02:56.270 --> 03:16.545\n市長好因為前瞻計畫第一期跟第二期特別預算已經分別超過預算執行期限4年到2年那很多計畫也都還沒有執行完均那第三期特別預算辦理的分支計畫當中超過6成沒有在特別預算執行期限完成其中包括我們新竹市的大車站計畫\n\n03:17.886 --> 03:46.057\n在第二期第三期都有特別預算編列計畫經費結果執行都是零那這邊的時候我們把整個前瞻計畫這邊的第一期第二期第三期當中的時候未完成的數量它持續的增加持續的增加那持續增加的原因的時候我覺得有一個很大的因素是在於地方政府也籌不出那麼多的錢我們看到去年7月中的\n\n03:50.158 --> 04:04.482\n整個前瞻計畫的餅很大一旦看起來很充足可是暗藏了很多的問題按照前瞻計畫八千多億裡面有七成都是軌道建設合併經費是5486億元中央政府補助2203億元其他地方自籌款要高達3283億元\n\n04:14.485 --> 04:41.846\n這麼多的一個部分地方自籌費用其實是沒有辦法去因應的所以我剛剛除了指出了新竹大車站計畫它的質詢率是零之外的時候還包括了台中捷運綠線那麼大台中地區山海線還有台南鐵路立體化的部分恆春觀光鐵道計畫的部分質詢率也都是零那這樣的一個情況你覺得主要因素是什麼\n\n04:43.972 --> 05:09.916\n剛才委員特別提到的幾個計畫其實它目前都是在相關的一個要嘛是可行性的研究的階段它相關的議題還需要釐清所以讓它後續進行中規或者是建設的計畫的期程有所延誤那這些其實在這個前瞻裡頭也大概都是編列可行性的相關的經費那這一部分我們會盡量來協助地方政府\n\n05:10.796 --> 05:12.137\n提出可行的方案\n\n05:31.422 --> 05:58.954\n相關計畫非常龐大,然後地方政府負擔非常重。我稍微看了一下,在第1期到第3期的時候,地方政府自籌的經費大概已經編列出1514億,不過大概只佔到中央合定數的33%,大概1⅓左右,還不到。地方政府財政非常捉襟見肘。在整個前瞻第1期到第3期的時候,分支計畫都還沒有完整,比例越來越高。\n\n06:00.174 --> 06:17.241\n請教次長,我們這邊有沒有辦法去提高中央各項經費的負擔的一個比例,來減輕地方自籌的一個壓力?跟委員報告,這個地方在經濟上的一個負擔,這個我們是有看到。但是每一個建設計畫裡頭,它其實要分兩塊來看。一個是有關這個自償的部分。\n\n06:20.982 --> 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