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00:02:35,357\n做得好不好大家公平,我們有在盡力。有在進步,你覺得做得好嗎?做得好不好大家公平,我們有在盡力。那做得好就應該繼續做啊。你們現在的部長是誰?我們現在的部長是唐鳳。唐鳳,他有沒有續任?行政院以行政院公佈的人事為主。所以啊?\n\n7\n00:02:37,283 --> 00:03:02,913\n行政院公布怎樣?行政院公布的人事為主,我不方便講出話。他換掉了是不是?今天為什麼沒來?今天就是有我來。我知道,我看到你當然知道你來啊。那做得好你就應該讓他繼續做啊。是不是因為他做不好讓他下台?每一屆政府的人事我不便評論。你們每年都花那麼多錢齁。\n\n8\n00:03:04,555 --> 00:03:23,912\n結果現在人民所詬病的還是打詐那我如果再繼續問你,你一定說打詐跟你沒關係詐騙那麼多跟你有沒有關係?跟每個部會都有關係好,跟每個部會有關係,你是不是主要的關係?我們擔任協助的角色\n\n9\n00:03:24,847 --> 00:03:47,747\n所以你是協助,那主要是誰?打造綱領裡面有4個主責部會,我們是協助的角色。你們是協助,那主要是誰?打造綱領上面寫的是法務部、內政部。所以法務部是錯誤的,還有內政部是不是?內政部,還有呢?通常會跟經管會。什麼會?通常會跟經管會。經管會?\n\n10\n00:03:50,273 --> 00:04:15,032\n那所以問題都是他不是你就對了?我們沒有這樣說過。那你說你誰辦啊?其實書報部現在大家發現打詐的流程當中要嘛不然就是收簡訊不然就是這個社群媒體LINE或是這些相關的事實上你們在第一線該做的都可以直接就有作為啊\n\n11\n00:04:17,128 --> 00:04:42,362\n或者你們發現比較異常的部分,你們應該可以控管啊。為什麼該管而不管,然後每年都花那麼多錢。好啦,我請協辦就下去好了啦,因為協辦最後你們也辦不了什麼事,然後錢就是繼續這樣花。請經濟部。來,請林赤。林赤喔。\n\n12\n00:04:44,008 --> 00:05:04,080\n林次長是這樣子,大概一般我們講的就是油電水氣、民生相關。那現在立法院已經決議說電價要凍漲,這是全民的期盼。那立法院已經通過了,你們就應該遵照辦理吧。\n\n13\n00:05:07,127 --> 00:05:20,133\n這個部分事實上我們現在都是依法在辦理當中。依哪一個法?電力法的規定來做這相關的一個審議。可是立法院又有新的決議啊。決議就是說你們不能漲電價。面對這樣的情況,你是會漲還是不要漲?\n\n14\n00:05:23,965 --> 00:05:44,830\n我跟委員報告,我是公務人員,所以我們現在依照的部分就是按照法律規定,4月1號審查通過,依4月1號審查通過的執行方案在進行中。4月1號,那昨天是幾號?昨天是5月1號。5月1號,那禮拜二就是又前天了。那時候立法院已經決議有通過了。是。\n\n15\n00:05:46,588 --> 00:06:12,276\n市長說我剛剛講到說我們4月1號已經按照相關規定的方式來做處理。那你立法院通過了啊,那你立法院通過你要不要照辦啊?我想這個部分可能要更嚴謹的去思考那個部分的規範是如何。你就公務人員執行刑事法裡面看嘛,立法院的決議你們要尊崇啊。如果你們沒有遵照立法院的決議下去做,那誰來決定喔?我們是準備要提高那個人喔。\n\n16\n00:06:13,817 --> 00:06:41,051\n譬如說現在已經說凍漲結果有一個人叫做林全能他在公文上批說要漲那以後有出問題我就告你喔我想我們依法行事我沒有特別這個那你怕不怕告我們依法行事我們就不用太擔心因為我們就分開嘛是誰決定就找誰啊抽絲剝繭啊全民都是支持凍漲的啊\n\n17\n00:06:42,813 --> 00:06:52,530\n那你要立法委員就是代表民眾阿在立法院決議通過的案你不但要尊重你還必須要遵照辦理阿\n\n18\n00:06:54,807 --> 00:07:14,569\n我剛剛已經說得很清楚,我們會依法來做相關的一個工作的資訊。你要小心啊,我因為我認識你齁,我是站在你的角度齁,來幫你啦。謝謝委員,你提醒一下。上面,政府是鐵打的衙門啊,流水的關啊。你不要因為這個事你就流掉了,以後也不會有人記得你啦,只會……\n\n19\n00:07:15,967 --> 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03:47.747\n所以你是協助,那主要是誰?打造綱領裡面有4個主責部會,我們是協助的角色。你們是協助,那主要是誰?打造綱領上面寫的是法務部、內政部。所以法務部是錯誤的,還有內政部是不是?內政部,還有呢?通常會跟經管會。什麼會?通常會跟經管會。經管會?\n\n03:50.273 --> 04:15.032\n那所以問題都是他不是你就對了?我們沒有這樣說過。那你說你誰辦啊?其實書報部現在大家發現打詐的流程當中要嘛不然就是收簡訊不然就是這個社群媒體LINE或是這些相關的事實上你們在第一線該做的都可以直接就有作為啊\n\n04:17.128 --> 04:42.362\n或者你們發現比較異常的部分,你們應該可以控管啊。為什麼該管而不管,然後每年都花那麼多錢。好啦,我請協辦就下去好了啦,因為協辦最後你們也辦不了什麼事,然後錢就是繼續這樣花。請經濟部。來,請林赤。林赤喔。\n\n04:44.008 --> 05:04.080\n林次長是這樣子,大概一般我們講的就是油電水氣、民生相關。那現在立法院已經決議說電價要凍漲,這是全民的期盼。那立法院已經通過了,你們就應該遵照辦理吧。\n\n05:07.127 --> 05:20.133\n這個部分事實上我們現在都是依法在辦理當中。依哪一個法?電力法的規定來做這相關的一個審議。可是立法院又有新的決議啊。決議就是說你們不能漲電價。面對這樣的情況,你是會漲還是不要漲?\n\n05:23.965 --> 05:44.830\n我跟委員報告,我是公務人員,所以我們現在依照的部分就是按照法律規定,4月1號審查通過,依4月1號審查通過的執行方案在進行中。4月1號,那昨天是幾號?昨天是5月1號。5月1號,那禮拜二就是又前天了。那時候立法院已經決議有通過了。是。\n\n05:46.588 --> 06:12.276\n市長說我剛剛講到說我們4月1號已經按照相關規定的方式來做處理。那你立法院通過了啊,那你立法院通過你要不要照辦啊?我想這個部分可能要更嚴謹的去思考那個部分的規範是如何。你就公務人員執行刑事法裡面看嘛,立法院的決議你們要尊崇啊。如果你們沒有遵照立法院的決議下去做,那誰來決定喔?我們是準備要提高那個人喔。\n\n06:13.817 --> 06:41.051\n譬如說現在已經說凍漲結果有一個人叫做林全能他在公文上批說要漲那以後有出問題我就告你喔我想我們依法行事我沒有特別這個那你怕不怕告我們依法行事我們就不用太擔心因為我們就分開嘛是誰決定就找誰啊抽絲剝繭啊全民都是支持凍漲的啊\n\n06:42.813 --> 06:52.530\n那你要立法委員就是代表民眾阿在立法院決議通過的案你不但要尊重你還必須要遵照辦理阿\n\n06:54.807 --> 07:14.569\n我剛剛已經說得很清楚,我們會依法來做相關的一個工作的資訊。你要小心啊,我因為我認識你齁,我是站在你的角度齁,來幫你啦。謝謝委員,你提醒一下。上面,政府是鐵打的衙門啊,流水的關啊。你不要因為這個事你就流掉了,以後也不會有人記得你啦,只會……\n\n07:15.967 --> 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