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00:00:57,658\n比率持續到85%以上預計113年地方政府衛生局可以提高到93%這個計畫的母數當然規模反映的我們的檢驗量能所以想問的是這項計畫涵蓋了多少實驗室還有其中中央政府設立地方政府設立的民間業者的設立的這個檢驗單位各有多少\n\n4\n00:01:00,990 --> 00:01:22,617\n先跟委員報告,這個計畫所涵蓋的是我們補助的是21縣市衛生局的實驗室。好,所以21縣市都有嘛。是。那這個計畫有沒有包括我們的檢驗設備,還有多少比例用在設備的擴編上?約其中這個計畫大約60%的經費都是用在補助各衛生局去採購最新型的檢驗儀器設備。\n\n5\n00:01:24,356 --> 00:01:41,068\n副長知不知道,最近死案崩爆之後,因為各縣市檢驗單位的案件量大幅增加,之後站在第一線的稽查員因為工作量負擔過大而離開了。所以媒體最近有針對臺北市的離職潮做出報導。\n\n6\n00:01:45,724 --> 00:02:11,543\n檢測與採檢回來的樣品交給檢驗員去做檢驗所以因此檢驗員的負擔一定是大幅的增加所以想問人力不足沒辦法展現量能的話這些人員流動你們這邊有去關心嗎報告委員那我們這個前瞻計畫的部分補助剛剛有提到說60%是包含了儀器設備的資本門那剩下的部分也包含了人力的補助的費用所以這人力補助費用事實上是會調整他們的薪資嗎\n\n7\n00:02:13,721 --> 00:02:29,482\n所以有沒有掌握說大概從2月、今年2月起開始食安風暴之後檢驗量能增加,那你的檢驗員的離職率是不是有增加的狀況?因為台北市爆發出這樣的狀況。報告委員這個部分我們可以去了解一下。\n\n8\n00:02:30,803 --> 00:02:44,971\n所以也想問中央跟地方跟各縣市之間的橫向聯繫機制是什麼?現在你剛剛跟我講說你要再去了解表示現在還沒有了解從二月到現在的狀況現在已經事實上是五月初了因為我們目前並沒有收到很明確的有這樣的回應\n\n9\n00:02:45,791 --> 00:03:03,025\n那我們事實上我們中央跟地方定期都會開相關的衛生局聯席會議,那如果衛生局有任何的問題我們都可以提出來一起來協調如何解決。所以目前有啟動彼此去分擔,因為食安問題是國人很在意的,那個檢驗的那個量能嗎?\n\n10\n00:03:04,034 --> 00:03:26,766\n報告委員事實上我們21縣市衛生局跟中央的實驗室之間我們都有彼此的分工那目前21縣市衛生局透過中央地方聯合分工的方式大家都互相在負責那其中如果說各衛生局在檢驗上有任何困難的時候我們都請他直接送食藥署的實驗室來做協助做後端的把關以上好謝謝食藥署那接下來可以麻煩我們的政務次長李立芬次長謝謝委員請禮賜\n\n11\n00:03:33,168 --> 00:03:56,127\n委員好,次長好。托育服務專法想問幾個問題,就是說今天想問兒童托育服務專法現在進度如何,準備好了嗎?我們兒童托育專法已經60天公告完之後,收集的意見也跟各地方政府跟民間團體也開完會議了。\n\n12\n00:03:59,289 --> 00:04:14,811\n那現在我們就會循法規的程序經過我們法規會做審查之後就可以送到行政院因為我為什麼這樣問因為在凱凱案之後我們的院長是答應在520之前送進來的所以這樣子會不會跳票呢?\n\n13\n00:04:15,832 --> 00:04:36,592\n因為後來在這個專法有一些團體有意見另外我們也做了一些修正就是說因為托育專法跟兒犬法有點互動可是這當中有一些條文如果兒犬法還沒有完成一起送的話就會有一些條文上所以你預估到什麼時候會因為這跟孩子的是\n\n14\n00:04:37,773 --> 00:05:02,965\n推品質跟孩子的安全性有很大關係,我們也期待降私生比,本來1比5我們希望降到1比4,所以你預計什麼時候可以送進來?跟委員報告,這1比5降到1比4它是修那個,其實在這次裡面沒有特別去修訂這個,可是我們現在本來就用鼓勵的方式,補助一個人的方式來鼓勵我們的托嬰中心,\n\n15\n00:05:03,365 --> 00:05:04,966\n這與修法沒有太直接關係,以法規會安排到6月左右報送到市政院。\n\n16\n00:05:23,775 --> 00:05:37,523\n不過在這邊還是要提醒不是只有私生筆還有推育人員的勞動條件那110年的8月本來就提供推育人員的鼓勵筆優化獎注然後並規劃我們112年期我們總共的推育人員應該給固定的那個\n\n17\n00:05:43,326 --> 00:06:12,181\n就年資可以給予固定薪資3萬到3萬6可是有民眾來跟我們反映說112年台北市政府社會局提供的準攻的托育服務品質的講座裡邊公文內容雖然要求業者要給我們的托育員講座金跟相關福利可是業者並沒有依照我們的公文來做執行給托育員相對應的薪資跟講座卻沒有公務機關在核銷上進行查核的時候托育員到底有沒有領到這個講座\n\n18\n00:06:13,061 --> 00:06:36,653\n准供本來獲得社會局補助,到底有沒有給這些辛苦的人員,中央有沒有掌握呢?報告委員,這個本來地方政府也應該要去抽查,可是如果真的有這種事實發生,已經有發生的話,是不是委員可以提供我們相關的一個……是,那也麻煩,我們可以來做抽查。因為現在中心的硬體設備也很多是不符合規定,\n\n19\n00:06:37,553 --> 00:07:00,679\n這還是有關我們的托育安全所以有沒有把這些經費用於我們改善育兒空間的話那是不是未來衛福部在執行這相關的時候你怎麼去針對確實有弱勢再麻煩因為我們確實在去年有補助一筆錢是給托嬰中心業者可以改善硬體的那這個部分我們會來跟縣市政府討論用什麼方式來做檢討\n\n20\n00:07:03,840 --> 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謝謝食藥署那接下來可以麻煩我們的政務次長李立芬次長謝謝委員請禮賜\n213168\t236127\t委員好,次長好。托育服務專法想問幾個問題,就是說今天想問兒童托育服務專法現在進度如何,準備好了嗎?我們兒童托育專法已經60天公告完之後,收集的意見也跟各地方政府跟民間團體也開完會議了。\n239289\t254811\t那現在我們就會循法規的程序經過我們法規會做審查之後就可以送到行政院因為我為什麼這樣問因為在凱凱案之後我們的院長是答應在520之前送進來的所以這樣子會不會跳票呢?\n255832\t276592\t因為後來在這個專法有一些團體有意見另外我們也做了一些修正就是說因為托育專法跟兒犬法有點互動可是這當中有一些條文如果兒犬法還沒有完成一起送的話就會有一些條文上所以你預估到什麼時候會因為這跟孩子的是\n277773\t302965\t推品質跟孩子的安全性有很大關係,我們也期待降私生比,本來1比5我們希望降到1比4,所以你預計什麼時候可以送進來?跟委員報告,這1比5降到1比4它是修那個,其實在這次裡面沒有特別去修訂這個,可是我們現在本來就用鼓勵的方式,補助一個人的方式來鼓勵我們的托嬰中心,\n303365\t304966\t這與修法沒有太直接關係,以法規會安排到6月左右報送到市政院。\n323775\t337523\t不過在這邊還是要提醒不是只有私生筆還有推育人員的勞動條件那110年的8月本來就提供推育人員的鼓勵筆優化獎注然後並規劃我們112年期我們總共的推育人員應該給固定的那個\n343326\t372181\t就年資可以給予固定薪資3萬到3萬6可是有民眾來跟我們反映說112年台北市政府社會局提供的準攻的托育服務品質的講座裡邊公文內容雖然要求業者要給我們的托育員講座金跟相關福利可是業者並沒有依照我們的公文來做執行給托育員相對應的薪資跟講座卻沒有公務機關在核銷上進行查核的時候托育員到底有沒有領到這個講座\n373061\t396653\t准供本來獲得社會局補助,到底有沒有給這些辛苦的人員,中央有沒有掌握呢?報告委員,這個本來地方政府也應該要去抽查,可是如果真的有這種事實發生,已經有發生的話,是不是委員可以提供我們相關的一個……是,那也麻煩,我們可以來做抽查。因為現在中心的硬體設備也很多是不符合規定,\n397553\t420679\t這還是有關我們的托育安全所以有沒有把這些經費用於我們改善育兒空間的話那是不是未來衛福部在執行這相關的時候你怎麼去針對確實有弱勢再麻煩因為我們確實在去年有補助一筆錢是給托嬰中心業者可以改善硬體的那這個部分我們會來跟縣市政府討論用什麼方式來做檢討\n423840\t424401\t王振旭委員\n","txt":"我們請衛部司要署副署長\n報告指出自行檢驗項目目標\n比率持續到85%以上預計113年地方政府衛生局可以提高到93%這個計畫的母數當然規模反映的我們的檢驗量能所以想問的是這項計畫涵蓋了多少實驗室還有其中中央政府設立地方政府設立的民間業者的設立的這個檢驗單位各有多少\n先跟委員報告,這個計畫所涵蓋的是我們補助的是21縣市衛生局的實驗室。好,所以21縣市都有嘛。是。那這個計畫有沒有包括我們的檢驗設備,還有多少比例用在設備的擴編上?約其中這個計畫大約60%的經費都是用在補助各衛生局去採購最新型的檢驗儀器設備。\n副長知不知道,最近死案崩爆之後,因為各縣市檢驗單位的案件量大幅增加,之後站在第一線的稽查員因為工作量負擔過大而離開了。所以媒體最近有針對臺北市的離職潮做出報導。\n檢測與採檢回來的樣品交給檢驗員去做檢驗所以因此檢驗員的負擔一定是大幅的增加所以想問人力不足沒辦法展現量能的話這些人員流動你們這邊有去關心嗎報告委員那我們這個前瞻計畫的部分補助剛剛有提到說60%是包含了儀器設備的資本門那剩下的部分也包含了人力的補助的費用所以這人力補助費用事實上是會調整他們的薪資嗎\n所以有沒有掌握說大概從2月、今年2月起開始食安風暴之後檢驗量能增加,那你的檢驗員的離職率是不是有增加的狀況?因為台北市爆發出這樣的狀況。報告委員這個部分我們可以去了解一下。\n所以也想問中央跟地方跟各縣市之間的橫向聯繫機制是什麼?現在你剛剛跟我講說你要再去了解表示現在還沒有了解從二月到現在的狀況現在已經事實上是五月初了因為我們目前並沒有收到很明確的有這樣的回應\n那我們事實上我們中央跟地方定期都會開相關的衛生局聯席會議,那如果衛生局有任何的問題我們都可以提出來一起來協調如何解決。所以目前有啟動彼此去分擔,因為食安問題是國人很在意的,那個檢驗的那個量能嗎?\n報告委員事實上我們21縣市衛生局跟中央的實驗室之間我們都有彼此的分工那目前21縣市衛生局透過中央地方聯合分工的方式大家都互相在負責那其中如果說各衛生局在檢驗上有任何困難的時候我們都請他直接送食藥署的實驗室來做協助做後端的把關以上好 謝謝食藥署那接下來可以麻煩我們的政務次長李立芬次長謝謝委員請禮賜\n委員好,次長好。托育服務專法想問幾個問題,就是說今天想問兒童托育服務專法現在進度如何,準備好了嗎?我們兒童托育專法已經60天公告完之後,收集的意見也跟各地方政府跟民間團體也開完會議了。\n那現在我們就會循法規的程序經過我們法規會做審查之後就可以送到行政院因為我為什麼這樣問因為在凱凱案之後我們的院長是答應在520之前送進來的所以這樣子會不會跳票呢?\n因為後來在這個專法有一些團體有意見另外我們也做了一些修正就是說因為托育專法跟兒犬法有點互動可是這當中有一些條文如果兒犬法還沒有完成一起送的話就會有一些條文上所以你預估到什麼時候會因為這跟孩子的是\n推品質跟孩子的安全性有很大關係,我們也期待降私生比,本來1比5我們希望降到1比4,所以你預計什麼時候可以送進來?跟委員報告,這1比5降到1比4它是修那個,其實在這次裡面沒有特別去修訂這個,可是我們現在本來就用鼓勵的方式,補助一個人的方式來鼓勵我們的托嬰中心,\n這與修法沒有太直接關係,以法規會安排到6月左右報送到市政院。\n不過在這邊還是要提醒不是只有私生筆還有推育人員的勞動條件那110年的8月本來就提供推育人員的鼓勵筆優化獎注然後並規劃我們112年期我們總共的推育人員應該給固定的那個\n就年資可以給予固定薪資3萬到3萬6可是有民眾來跟我們反映說112年台北市政府社會局提供的準攻的托育服務品質的講座裡邊公文內容雖然要求業者要給我們的托育員講座金跟相關福利可是業者並沒有依照我們的公文來做執行給托育員相對應的薪資跟講座卻沒有公務機關在核銷上進行查核的時候托育員到底有沒有領到這個講座\n准供本來獲得社會局補助,到底有沒有給這些辛苦的人員,中央有沒有掌握呢?報告委員,這個本來地方政府也應該要去抽查,可是如果真的有這種事實發生,已經有發生的話,是不是委員可以提供我們相關的一個……是,那也麻煩,我們可以來做抽查。因為現在中心的硬體設備也很多是不符合規定,\n這還是有關我們的托育安全所以有沒有把這些經費用於我們改善育兒空間的話那是不是未來衛福部在執行這相關的時候你怎麼去針對確實有弱勢再麻煩因為我們確實在去年有補助一筆錢是給托嬰中心業者可以改善硬體的那這個部分我們會來跟縣市政府討論用什麼方式來做檢討\n王振旭委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.552 --> 00:03.146\n我們請衛部司要署副署長\n\n00:08.117 --> 00:08.717\n報告指出自行檢驗項目目標\n\n00:34.853 --> 00:57.658\n比率持續到85%以上預計113年地方政府衛生局可以提高到93%這個計畫的母數當然規模反映的我們的檢驗量能所以想問的是這項計畫涵蓋了多少實驗室還有其中中央政府設立地方政府設立的民間業者的設立的這個檢驗單位各有多少\n\n01:00.990 --> 01:22.617\n先跟委員報告,這個計畫所涵蓋的是我們補助的是21縣市衛生局的實驗室。好,所以21縣市都有嘛。是。那這個計畫有沒有包括我們的檢驗設備,還有多少比例用在設備的擴編上?約其中這個計畫大約60%的經費都是用在補助各衛生局去採購最新型的檢驗儀器設備。\n\n01:24.356 --> 01:41.068\n副長知不知道,最近死案崩爆之後,因為各縣市檢驗單位的案件量大幅增加,之後站在第一線的稽查員因為工作量負擔過大而離開了。所以媒體最近有針對臺北市的離職潮做出報導。\n\n01:45.724 --> 02:11.543\n檢測與採檢回來的樣品交給檢驗員去做檢驗所以因此檢驗員的負擔一定是大幅的增加所以想問人力不足沒辦法展現量能的話這些人員流動你們這邊有去關心嗎報告委員那我們這個前瞻計畫的部分補助剛剛有提到說60%是包含了儀器設備的資本門那剩下的部分也包含了人力的補助的費用所以這人力補助費用事實上是會調整他們的薪資嗎\n\n02:13.721 --> 02:29.482\n所以有沒有掌握說大概從2月、今年2月起開始食安風暴之後檢驗量能增加,那你的檢驗員的離職率是不是有增加的狀況?因為台北市爆發出這樣的狀況。報告委員這個部分我們可以去了解一下。\n\n02:30.803 --> 02:44.971\n所以也想問中央跟地方跟各縣市之間的橫向聯繫機制是什麼?現在你剛剛跟我講說你要再去了解表示現在還沒有了解從二月到現在的狀況現在已經事實上是五月初了因為我們目前並沒有收到很明確的有這樣的回應\n\n02:45.791 --> 03:03.025\n那我們事實上我們中央跟地方定期都會開相關的衛生局聯席會議,那如果衛生局有任何的問題我們都可以提出來一起來協調如何解決。所以目前有啟動彼此去分擔,因為食安問題是國人很在意的,那個檢驗的那個量能嗎?\n\n03:04.034 --> 03:26.766\n報告委員事實上我們21縣市衛生局跟中央的實驗室之間我們都有彼此的分工那目前21縣市衛生局透過中央地方聯合分工的方式大家都互相在負責那其中如果說各衛生局在檢驗上有任何困難的時候我們都請他直接送食藥署的實驗室來做協助做後端的把關以上好謝謝食藥署那接下來可以麻煩我們的政務次長李立芬次長謝謝委員請禮賜\n\n03:33.168 --> 03:56.127\n委員好,次長好。托育服務專法想問幾個問題,就是說今天想問兒童托育服務專法現在進度如何,準備好了嗎?我們兒童托育專法已經60天公告完之後,收集的意見也跟各地方政府跟民間團體也開完會議了。\n\n03:59.289 --> 04:14.811\n那現在我們就會循法規的程序經過我們法規會做審查之後就可以送到行政院因為我為什麼這樣問因為在凱凱案之後我們的院長是答應在520之前送進來的所以這樣子會不會跳票呢?\n\n04:15.832 --> 04:36.592\n因為後來在這個專法有一些團體有意見另外我們也做了一些修正就是說因為托育專法跟兒犬法有點互動可是這當中有一些條文如果兒犬法還沒有完成一起送的話就會有一些條文上所以你預估到什麼時候會因為這跟孩子的是\n\n04:37.773 --> 05:02.965\n推品質跟孩子的安全性有很大關係,我們也期待降私生比,本來1比5我們希望降到1比4,所以你預計什麼時候可以送進來?跟委員報告,這1比5降到1比4它是修那個,其實在這次裡面沒有特別去修訂這個,可是我們現在本來就用鼓勵的方式,補助一個人的方式來鼓勵我們的托嬰中心,\n\n05:03.365 --> 05:04.966\n這與修法沒有太直接關係,以法規會安排到6月左右報送到市政院。\n\n05:23.775 --> 05:37.523\n不過在這邊還是要提醒不是只有私生筆還有推育人員的勞動條件那110年的8月本來就提供推育人員的鼓勵筆優化獎注然後並規劃我們112年期我們總共的推育人員應該給固定的那個\n\n05:43.326 --> 06:12.181\n就年資可以給予固定薪資3萬到3萬6可是有民眾來跟我們反映說112年台北市政府社會局提供的準攻的托育服務品質的講座裡邊公文內容雖然要求業者要給我們的托育員講座金跟相關福利可是業者並沒有依照我們的公文來做執行給托育員相對應的薪資跟講座卻沒有公務機關在核銷上進行查核的時候托育員到底有沒有領到這個講座\n\n06:13.061 --> 06:36.653\n准供本來獲得社會局補助,到底有沒有給這些辛苦的人員,中央有沒有掌握呢?報告委員,這個本來地方政府也應該要去抽查,可是如果真的有這種事實發生,已經有發生的話,是不是委員可以提供我們相關的一個……是,那也麻煩,我們可以來做抽查。因為現在中心的硬體設備也很多是不符合規定,\n\n06:37.553 --> 07:00.679\n這還是有關我們的托育安全所以有沒有把這些經費用於我們改善育兒空間的話那是不是未來衛福部在執行這相關的時候你怎麼去針對確實有弱勢再麻煩因為我們確實在去年有補助一筆錢是給托嬰中心業者可以改善硬體的那這個部分我們會來跟縣市政府討論用什麼方式來做檢討\n\n07:03.840 --> 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