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00:00:52,899\n我們看到G7工業國公開所不再發表反核的言論承認核能環保地位那個環境部的也可以來環境部長官可以來他特別提到了他特別提到了我們認識到核能作為清潔clean零排放人員的潛力\n\n3\n00:00:55,472 --> 00:01:23,406\n我就請教經濟部你們還要反核嗎?還要廢核嗎?世界趨勢已經這個樣子而且新北市的合一的甘土廠侯市長也幫你解套了這個時間你要不要順水推舟接這個球就開始回應社會的希望用核能當作你的穩定的基站回應一下\n\n4\n00:01:24,864 --> 00:01:46,293\n謝謝委員這邊的提問。我想各式能源都有它的優缺點,我們都會特別去關注。你知道昨天桃園又停電嗎?你知道桃園昨天又停電嗎?我想我有看到那個媒體報導。奇怪,他為什麼停電就停桃園啊?你看我們外媒你委員也不順眼是不是?還怎麼樣?老是停桃園啊?\n\n5\n00:01:48,292 --> 00:02:11,898\n還是因為說桃園六個立委從事國民黨的,所以停就停他們?我想不是這樣的,台電已經很清楚對外說明那是配電系統的一個問題。配電系統?你們台電的總經理還是配電系統專家咧?老是停電就代表電不夠啊!對不對?你們現在又出一招怪招,說我類似股票一樣。\n\n6\n00:02:13,038 --> 00:02:26,877\n我把這個備轉容量你們現在要即時顯示對不對?呃是,我們有這個很明確的那個訊息啊原來是一天顯示一次嘛我們現在隨時你去查備轉容量都可以查到這個容量以前是一天秀一次嘛\n\n7\n00:02:27,779 --> 00:02:54,620\n一天秀一支不是我想那個臺電原本都在網站裡面有提供他們的備轉容量的狀況但是他不是現在瞬間嗎這個某種程度你們就是想卸責說我給你看喔隨時的你的備轉容量你萬一第3的話第1期你自己要小心停電你自己負責這個樣子的卸責所以臺電沒有回答問題你們現在難道不需要監討你的人員政策嗎\n\n8\n00:02:55,929 --> 00:03:10,687\n何人的態度?對何人的態度?是,我想委員所提到的部分,我們實時在檢視我們對供電穩定的相關的措施,這個是本來經濟部的職責一定要去實時的檢視。那我要問你,河山經營的企業是不是確定就停了?\n\n9\n00:03:12,144 --> 00:03:12,565\n新的電廠在哪裡呢?\n\n10\n00:03:37,891 --> 00:03:48,478\n事實上我們對於這個核能、核三廠的內部有98萬千瓦,那沒錯嘛,對,那會從這個森巴二期還有張安基100萬千瓦會上來,我們會去支應,還有大潭電廠的那個電廠。\n\n11\n00:04:08,111 --> 00:04:08,591\n兩位長官\n\n12\n00:04:32,363 --> 00:04:49,166\n你們要幫賴皮了解到,要拍賴清德的馬屁,要拍得好啊,你用原住民去計畫,賴清德跟原住民沒有任何的關係,他也不是原住民的後代。\n\n13\n00:04:49,947 --> 00:04:50,147\n區域計畫法的程序\n\n14\n00:05:09,082 --> 00:05:21,436\n阿為什麼只有他呢?阿其他金瓜石九份雖然凍的礦區怎麼...當然也可以阿當然也可以只是他的做法不一樣沒有沒有有有有有那是第2期喔就是金瓜石九份那個地方你們第1期是真的賴平遙\n\n15\n00:05:24,099 --> 00:05:51,264\n第一期只針對賴皮老合法第二期才要金瓜石全分分兩階段啦不是因為金瓜石九份的土地使用內容太複雜了你看他設他有民宿還有旅館但是賴皮老就沒有理由啊不是他是純住宅啊現在這一些礦區的這部分我們當然針對是純住宅的部分先來處理因為金瓜石九份還有旅館他背後就涉及建館消防等等的問題\n\n16\n00:05:53,404 --> 00:05:54,805\n這個可能要最後再疊圖才能做最後的確認。\n\n17\n00:06:02,110 --> 00:06:23,716\n我們都很清楚啊,你分兩階段,第一階段解套這個賴皮鳥的,第二個階段才解套這個,我覺得用的計畫又是原本一項的很不好啦。我想跟我們報告,其實用這樣子的說法其實是很不公平啦。那也是民國77年礦權廢了之後,地方政府跟主管機關沒有妥適處理該有的行政審議。那你那次部長當幾年了?次長當幾年了?快8年了。\n\n18\n00:06:27,830 --> 00:06:27,850\n委員長\n\n19\n00:06:50,328 --> 00:07:01,449\n東華大學這次受傷非常嚴重0403受損20多億喔結果學校還要他募款只募到1億到列比前都視訊上課\n\n20\n00:07:04,168 --> 00:07:25,748\n請問你啊對東華大學這裡面還有更那個的是到六月底之前的視訊上課而且考試還叫他們回來考試外籍學生從國外買機票回來然後實體考試住宿有問題學校校舍有問題結果叫考試實體考試市長你知道這台機嗎\n\n21\n00:07:27,134 --> 00:07:54,298\n跟委員報告齁,那個東華大學目前已經匡列17.6億,會分3年來協助你為什麼分3年呢?剛才主席、副主席講就是說按照他的講法就可以一次給了他錢20億你給他分3年,叫他自己募款,然後再分3年給他,給他錢出錢喔?你叫東華大學先出錢喔?他怎麼沒有辦法出錢呢?跟委員報告是依照那個學校的工廠規劃,那今年的第1期就會先下去\n\n22\n00:07:54,977 --> 00:08:08,303\n不是,你們應該給他錢,不是他叫他先,以後再給他?跟委員報告,我們沒有說東華大學先然後再給他,我們本來就是...你們第一筆的錢什麼時候可以到?\n\n23\n00:08:10,906 --> 00:08:39,675\n4億,我們第1期會有4億,然後今年就會下去。什麼時候?今年大概什麼時候?我們希望下個月移緩季節,我們就移下去。要趕快齁,還有最後一個問題就是,全國中小學的校舍,因為這個零四零三啊,很多軍力,這個你們什麼時候開始做?有48校。目前48校大概3.1而已,那我們也是用3年還是?對,也是移緩季節。\n\n24\n00:08:39,975 --> 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