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00:01:44,979\n所以這也是為什麼這件事情如此重要的原因這不僅僅是一個跟民主自由站在一起那麼簡單的事情我們甚至必須要藉由這樣的聲明去警惕國人讓國人知道在現在中國的修法裡面不管是保守國家秘密法、反間諜法、反分裂國家法它其實都會讓各位會受害包含一般的人民甚至包含我們的官員都可能在他逮捕的範圍之內\n\n5\n00:01:46,340 --> 00:02:09,011\n所以非常重要的一點是譬如我們剛剛本來有一個案子是我寫的是立法委員傅忠這樣的一個案子為什麼要受到管制為什麼要先報備非常重要的原因不是只是在看形成見了誰那麼簡單而已現在以中國的法律來講我們甚至還要保護我們的官員因為如果他們去\n\n6\n00:02:10,451 --> 00:02:38,604\n發生了任何的事情很有可能都會因為這些法令遭受到人權的侵害那當然很可惜的事情就是在剛剛我們提出這樣的一個法案提出讓大家能夠去審查到底我們今天不管是握有國家秘密的國家關鍵技術的甚至我們能夠接觸最多國家機密的立法委員在去中國的時候要經過一定程度的審報一定程度的審查\n\n7\n00:02:39,444 --> 00:02:57,691\n這不是代表不能去喔因為像我們的市長各個直轄市市長去按照現行的規範本來也都要審查然後呢政務人員退休了也要審查而且審查的時間呢其實呢有時候在兩個禮拜之內就完成所以這絕對不是一個不能夠進行的事情\n\n8\n00:02:58,271 --> 00:03:18,217\n那結果呢我們今天在國際的局勢在香港23條立法通過的這個同時我們竟然連保護自己的國人保護自己的官員跟立委的提案都被退回程序委員會而且竟然還不是中國國民黨提的是台灣民眾黨提的\n\n9\n00:03:19,042 --> 00:03:34,229\n那最後呢我再加一點我看到臺灣民眾黨針對我們這個23條譴責的這個這一次的這個提案呢提出了一個修正說我們的難民法的規定那我先告訴大家我來之前我是臺灣人權促進會的副會長\n\n10\n00:03:36,610 --> 00:04:00,219\n在座的人應該是我最了解難民法的規定請不要把不同的事情混雜在一起我先嚴正的聲明一下為什麼今天難民法會重要那它最主要的原因是在於什麼是在於我們對於今天的難民不管現在是港人還是其他的難民他進來除了一定的審核機制之外還包含國安的機制\n\n11\n00:04:00,979 --> 00:04:24,730\n而我剛剛才講,針對我們的國安機制,我們的人員去的時候的國安機制,連剛剛這個都要退回程序委員會,結果在這個案子裡面說你在意香港人,在意難民法,這是什麼樣矛盾的想法?這不是我認識的台灣民眾黨,這不是我認識的國常老師。\n\n12\n00:04:25,990 --> 00:04:49,896\n所以我再一次我們還是回歸這個嚴正的聲明我們必須謹守跟民主自由同盟的界限我們讓我們的聲明回歸到最嚴正的讓大家知道目前香港不管是國安法的立法23條的立法還有反間諜法保守國家秘密法在那麼綿密的法律之內我們要怎麼樣去跟港人站在一起\n\n13\n00:04:50,496 --> 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