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00:01:19,250\n有跟金融工會做了一個情誼之旅。裡面有提到接下來對於金融營業稅的改革的部分是不是有機會從現在的5%來做調降。過去\n\n5\n00:01:23,692 --> 00:01:23,732\n﹚李彥秀﹚\n\n6\n00:01:43,115 --> 00:02:03,499\n我們還是一樣,就是因為基本上金融業稅這件事情主要是因為今年年底的時候我們那個要提撥到這個特別準備金的這個2%的部分要修正了對,準備這個部分打算要取消嘛要借期了,那借期以後到底金融業稅是不是要維持有關保險銀行業就是維持5%的稅率這個部分就是目前業者們非常關切的議題\n\n7\n00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:07,700\n國際租稅課程\n\n8\n00:02:24,361 --> 00:02:24,621\n所以你們也打算調整?\n\n9\n00:02:39,215 --> 00:02:53,383\n但是這個調整就是說要考慮的問題當然除了就是國際租稅的課徵方向之外呢我們還是要考量一下就是說整個國家這個整體這個金融的風險到底是不是還是有多少的衝擊需不需要做相關的調整或者是維持原來的這件事情調整了這麼久\n\n10\n00:03:00,768 --> 00:03:20,749\n沒關係,我覺得這件事情財政部討論了很久,既然你們這個團隊是無縫接軌,我希望這件事情你們可以有更具體對外的說法,因為既然彭主委看起來好像也支持過去黃庭木黃主委的想法跟做法,也接受到陳情,所以這件事情我希望有具體的答案出來競訴。\n\n11\n00:03:21,850 --> 00:03:41,768\n我會跟那個彭主委,新任的彭主委來繼續做溝通。我相信他應該會具體給我們更﹑有沒有其他的意見,那我們也會考考一下。好,謝謝曾次。接下來我還是要問一下我們的債務未償餘額的部分。今天雖然部長不在,但是我相信你對於這些數字都應該非常熟悉。曾次,市長。\n\n12\n00:03:42,188 --> 00:04:08,722\n我們今年的中央政府的債務未償餘額達到6兆3528億我們直接看數字因為我今天時間不多我們一年以上的債務是將近6兆一年以下將近3591億左右我覺得有一個數字非常奇怪我們直接看到那個表好不好來\n\n13\n00:04:10,263 --> 00:04:10,944\n市長,您看到今年2024月30日\n\n14\n00:04:27,006 --> 00:04:27,046\n李彥秀\n\n15\n00:04:45,950 --> 00:04:45,990\n﹚李彥秀\n\n16\n00:05:04,893 --> 00:05:21,161\n我們就已經多了300億這個猜不到短短的兩三個禮拜就多了300億這個是我第一個問題第二個問題是為什麼我們債務餘額我們反而比較多但是你看我們平均債務負擔是27.1萬那我們去年是只有27.2萬這個問題點到底在哪裡是\n\n17\n00:05:30,206 --> 00:05:34,187\n我們是戶籍人數增加嗎?是疫情過戶籍人數增加,那我們的債,我們每一個人的負債卻是減少,這個問題到底出現在哪裡?那為什麼我們4月19號的時候,我們才6兆3228億,我們的負債,我們債務的未償餘額,但是短短到4月30號,到兩個禮拜左右,我們就已經多了300億。\n\n18\n00:05:53,533 --> 00:05:56,655\n每年國庫都是在第1、2季撥付各機關的日常支出,它會撥付我們中央政府軍工教育人員的年節獎金,還有地方政府的補助款,還有健保的補助款,還有相關年度出納事務整理期間的支出。\n\n19\n00:06:15,208 --> 00:06:17,989\n李市長,我再請問一下,因為我們今年負債增加,那我們5月的國債中,我們還會持續破表嗎?\n\n20\n00:06:39,736 --> 00:07:04,151\n預估到5月底因為5月底通常會是最高的嘛那我們的國債中會持續破表嘛現在是27.1萬你預估應該是會往下調降嘛你預估會往下調降是還了之後是所得稅是因為所得稅收還有就是相關目前為止到那所得稅抵扣之前呢因為現在才4月30號如果還不到5月底我們國債中還會持續破表嗎\n\n21\n00:07:05,271 --> 00:07:29,314\n對,因為目前到4月的部分還有相關的稅收應該會持續的進賬有些扣繳的稅款也會增加所以我們預計是會緩降的啦應該會緩降下來因為它的趨勢其實每年都差不多那次長我再問一個問題就是說我們今年收到眾所稅之後我們會立刻拿來還債嘛依照過去的慣例那你會拿多少出來還債\n\n22\n00:07:30,726 --> 00:07:45,374\n通常我們會按照那個稅收實收的狀況來做相關的規劃他不會馬上還債但是他可能就會看說還是我們只還一年以下譬如說我們一年以下的債務約是3591億只會還這個部分嗎目前已經編列的那個預算預該還債的金額我們這個當然會照他規定的規範的時程還有就是稅收入帳的時程我們會去強制還本那除了強制還本以後我們會看到還多還少可以有彈性啊\n\n23\n00:08:00,422 --> 00:08:07,789\n強制緩本原則上就是法定的,這是一年以下的一定要緩嗎?一年以上會多緩一點嗎?這裡說我看起來,你講到稅收狀況我就要請問你,因為我們今年時增金額是5576億元,比同一期上去年的增加704億元,多了14%,將近15%左右。\n\n24\n00:08:25,844 --> 00:08:50,809\n財政部會預估說今年徵收的數字會不會有機會突破950億元甚至突破1000億元?目前我們是預計我們的營所稅的稅收可能只能會增加或持續的增加可能只會基本上接近運算數但是第一期已經增加到700比去年同期增加到704億\n\n25\n00:08:51,789 --> 00:08:54,371\n關於今年一開始的時候莊部長來到我辦公室跟我講說我們今年應該這個超增稅收我們會好好的編列\n\n26\n00:09:14,285 --> 00:09:15,045\n所以你還是不敢講\n\n27\n00:09:33,314 --> 00:09:35,576\n市長我還是要提醒你因為你們這個團隊是所有部會裡面最無縫接軌的因為幾乎兩位市長都在部長也沒換人所以財政上財稅上面的大幅的改革\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n4309\t4549\t李政事\n12884\t38800\t市長早安。市長早安。你們是大概所有部會裡面這個少數沒有交接問題的。這個顯示出對於整個賴政府卓團對整個內閣來說對於你們過去的財政的穩健狀況對於三位從部長到兩位政策其實是肯定的。但是對於在另外一方面另外一個層面來看這個問題其實悲觀的來看呢對於未來\n42582\t67363\t財政、財稅有沒有辦法大幅度的改革這就是我覺得接下來值得觀察的地方我今天因為只有8分鐘我不花太多時間我先第一個問題先請教政策雖然今天部長不在但是部長過去的態度我想知道接下來520之後會不會有太大的轉變前幾天我們現在的彭教授馬上520要上任的金管會的主委彭主委\n68624\t79250\t有跟金融工會做了一個情誼之旅。裡面有提到接下來對於金融營業稅的改革的部分是不是有機會從現在的5%來做調降。過去\n83692\t83732\t﹚李彥秀﹚\n103115\t123499\t我們還是一樣,就是因為基本上金融業稅這件事情主要是因為今年年底的時候我們那個要提撥到這個特別準備金的這個2%的部分要修正了對,準備這個部分打算要取消嘛要借期了,那借期以後到底金融業稅是不是要維持有關保險銀行業就是維持5%的稅率這個部分就是目前業者們非常關切的議題\n127600\t127700\t國際租稅課程\n144361\t144621\t所以你們也打算調整?\n159215\t173383\t但是這個調整就是說要考慮的問題當然除了就是國際租稅的課徵方向之外呢我們還是要考量一下就是說整個國家這個整體這個金融的風險到底是不是還是有多少的衝擊需不需要做相關的調整或者是維持原來的這件事情調整了這麼久\n180768\t200749\t沒關係,我覺得這件事情財政部討論了很久,既然你們這個團隊是無縫接軌,我希望這件事情你們可以有更具體對外的說法,因為既然彭主委看起來好像也支持過去黃庭木黃主委的想法跟做法,也接受到陳情,所以這件事情我希望有具體的答案出來競訴。\n201850\t221768\t我會跟那個彭主委,新任的彭主委來繼續做溝通。我相信他應該會具體給我們更﹑有沒有其他的意見,那我們也會考考一下。好,謝謝曾次。接下來我還是要問一下我們的債務未償餘額的部分。今天雖然部長不在,但是我相信你對於這些數字都應該非常熟悉。曾次,市長。\n222188\t248722\t我們今年的中央政府的債務未償餘額達到6兆3528億我們直接看數字因為我今天時間不多我們一年以上的債務是將近6兆一年以下將近3591億左右我覺得有一個數字非常奇怪我們直接看到那個表好不好 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這個問題點到底在哪裡是\n330206\t334187\t我們是戶籍人數增加嗎?是疫情過戶籍人數增加,那我們的債,我們每一個人的負債卻是減少,這個問題到底出現在哪裡?那為什麼我們4月19號的時候,我們才6兆3228億,我們的負債,我們債務的未償餘額,但是短短到4月30號,到兩個禮拜左右,我們就已經多了300億。\n353533\t356655\t每年國庫都是在第1、2季撥付各機關的日常支出,它會撥付我們中央政府軍工教育人員的年節獎金,還有地方政府的補助款,還有健保的補助款,還有相關年度出納事務整理期間的支出。\n375208\t377989\t李市長,我再請問一下,因為我們今年負債增加,那我們5月的國債中,我們還會持續破表嗎?\n399736\t424151\t預估到5月底因為5月底通常會是最高的嘛那我們的國債中會持續破表嘛現在是27.1萬你預估應該是會往下調降嘛你預估會往下調降是還了之後是所得稅是因為所得稅收還有就是相關目前為止到那所得稅抵扣之前呢因為現在才4月30號如果還不到5月底我們國債中還會持續破表嗎\n425271\t449314\t對,因為目前到4月的部分還有相關的稅收應該會持續的進賬有些扣繳的稅款也會增加所以我們預計是會緩降的啦應該會緩降下來因為它的趨勢其實每年都差不多那次長我再問一個問題就是說我們今年收到眾所稅之後我們會立刻拿來還債嘛依照過去的慣例那你會拿多少出來還債\n450726\t465374\t通常我們會按照那個稅收實收的狀況來做相關的規劃他不會馬上還債但是他可能就會看說還是我們只還一年以下譬如說我們一年以下的債務約是3591億只會還這個部分嗎目前已經編列的那個預算預該還債的金額我們這個當然會照他規定的規範的時程還有就是稅收入帳的時程我們會去強制還本那除了強制還本以後我們會看到還多還少可以有彈性啊\n480422\t487789\t強制緩本原則上就是法定的,這是一年以下的一定要緩嗎?一年以上會多緩一點嗎?這裡說我看起來,你講到稅收狀況我就要請問你,因為我們今年時增金額是5576億元,比同一期上去年的增加704億元,多了14%,將近15%左右。\n505844\t530809\t財政部會預估說今年徵收的數字會不會有機會突破950億元甚至突破1000億元?目前我們是預計我們的營所稅的稅收可能只能會增加或持續的增加可能只會基本上接近運算數但是第一期已經增加到700比去年同期增加到704億\n531789\t534371\t關於今年一開始的時候莊部長來到我辦公室跟我講說我們今年應該這個超增稅收我們會好好的編列\n554285\t555045\t所以你還是不敢講\n573314\t575576\t市長我還是要提醒你因為你們這個團隊是所有部會裡面最無縫接軌的因為幾乎兩位市長都在部長也沒換人所以財政上財稅上面的大幅的改革\n595316\t611630\t﹏﹏\n","txt":"李政事\n市長早安。市長早安。你們是大概所有部會裡面這個少數沒有交接問題的。這個顯示出對於整個賴政府卓團對整個內閣來說對於你們過去的財政的穩健狀況對於三位從部長到兩位政策其實是肯定的。但是對於在另外一方面另外一個層面來看這個問題其實悲觀的來看呢對於未來\n財政、財稅有沒有辦法大幅度的改革這就是我覺得接下來值得觀察的地方我今天因為只有8分鐘我不花太多時間我先第一個問題先請教政策雖然今天部長不在但是部長過去的態度我想知道接下來520之後會不會有太大的轉變前幾天我們現在的彭教授馬上520要上任的金管會的主委彭主委\n有跟金融工會做了一個情誼之旅。裡面有提到接下來對於金融營業稅的改革的部分是不是有機會從現在的5%來做調降。過去\n﹚李彥秀﹚\n我們還是一樣,就是因為基本上金融業稅這件事情主要是因為今年年底的時候我們那個要提撥到這個特別準備金的這個2%的部分要修正了對,準備這個部分打算要取消嘛要借期了,那借期以後到底金融業稅是不是要維持有關保險銀行業就是維持5%的稅率這個部分就是目前業者們非常關切的議題\n國際租稅課程\n所以你們也打算調整?\n但是這個調整就是說要考慮的問題當然除了就是國際租稅的課徵方向之外呢我們還是要考量一下就是說整個國家這個整體這個金融的風險到底是不是還是有多少的衝擊需不需要做相關的調整或者是維持原來的這件事情調整了這麼久\n沒關係,我覺得這件事情財政部討論了很久,既然你們這個團隊是無縫接軌,我希望這件事情你們可以有更具體對外的說法,因為既然彭主委看起來好像也支持過去黃庭木黃主委的想法跟做法,也接受到陳情,所以這件事情我希望有具體的答案出來競訴。\n我會跟那個彭主委,新任的彭主委來繼續做溝通。我相信他應該會具體給我們更﹑有沒有其他的意見,那我們也會考考一下。好,謝謝曾次。接下來我還是要問一下我們的債務未償餘額的部分。今天雖然部長不在,但是我相信你對於這些數字都應該非常熟悉。曾次,市長。\n我們今年的中央政府的債務未償餘額達到6兆3528億我們直接看數字因為我今天時間不多我們一年以上的債務是將近6兆一年以下將近3591億左右我覺得有一個數字非常奇怪我們直接看到那個表好不好 來\n市長,您看到今年2024月30日\n李彥秀\n﹚李彥秀\n我們就已經多了300億 這個猜不到短短的兩三個禮拜就多了300億 這個是我第一個問題第二個問題是為什麼我們債務餘額我們反而比較多但是你看我們平均債務負擔是27.1萬 那我們去年是只有27.2萬 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