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00:01:07,056\n5月4號的時候又出現了說天花板忽然墜落那個修繕人員在天花板忽然墜落下來在二航道的時候在5月4號下午2點然後把所有的工作人員跟旅客都嚇了一大跳的事情那我想請這邊請市長能不能跟我們解釋一下到底發生了什麼狀況\n\n4\n00:01:08,729 --> 00:01:08,969\n李卓人議員\n\n5\n00:01:28,029 --> 00:01:28,149\n好謝謝次長\n\n6\n00:01:46,658 --> 00:02:03,927\n市長我知道這個修繕天花板是主要是修繕有關雨季來臨的下水道的狀況那其實我個人也清楚我上次在質詢的時候也直接質詢過部長在過去十幾年來每年都有出現說桃園機場淹水的狀況只要遇到好大雨\n\n7\n00:02:04,767 --> 00:02:17,422\n在這邊我就想不禁想請問說請問交通部在今年因為今年的豪雨季節還沒有到在今年的這個桃園機場的這個航廈在針對說漏水淹水的部分是不是已經準備好了\n\n8\n00:02:19,556 --> 00:02:39,003\n這部分在細節上我並不是很清楚但是很抱歉我要跟委員說明這部分是交通部或者說所屬機場公司必須要做的這些事情您問我準備好了沒有我相信這個應該有做一些準備工作是不是完善我覺得部分還要再經過檢討\n\n9\n00:02:40,123 --> 00:03:08,321\n這就是本席為什麼今天特地把這拿出來講因為我們知道說再過一兩個禮拜可能好大雨就會來了而且極端大雨來的時候針對我們的一航廈二航廈我們現在在做三航廈的工程就是因為一二航廈都相對老舊而且很容易漏水那本席也知道每年都出了這個狀況的時候所以我在這邊一定要利用會議時間特別提醒既然次長您剛剛講這是國家門戶這是國家的顏面那國家顏面再一次漏水的時候\n\n10\n00:03:08,621 --> 00:03:31,671\n不能說新加坡張宜機場一天到晚漏水所以我們也可以漏水這個我想這樣的答案不只是本席不能接受全國的國民也不能接受的好那第二個議題其實也是有關說我們今天最主要談到的議題是有關我們的鐵路漲價但鐵路漲價基本上來講對於臺北跟基隆本席是基隆地區選出來的立法委員\n\n11\n00:03:32,291 --> 00:03:51,296\n對於臺北跟基隆之間雖然有影響但是影響程度或許目前還可以但是本席就很關心另外一個也就是有關這個我們的國道科運國道巴士的問題那請問一下我上次已經私底下問過交通部王部長說\n\n12\n00:03:52,176 --> 00:04:19,484\n什麼時候運價補貼可以上路那今天市長市長或公路局局長是否已經掌握到比較確切訊息讓我們讓本區讓本席的選民尤其是有關通勤族的事實上不只是本席在基隆包括桃園地區也很關心運價補貼什麼時候能夠上路像說劉喜廷委員他的選區裡面就有兩條葛瑪蘭的路線馬上要被關那這點我想說請我們的交通部解釋一下\n\n13\n00:04:23,899 --> 00:04:38,778\n整個運價的一個調整交通部在5月1日核定了所以核定之後的話我們在這一個整個運價因為已經就是這一個照這個我們的那個全聯會所提出來的這一個他們的一個公式也都\n\n14\n00:04:39,679 --> 00:04:45,264\n中長途的部分的話就是我們補貼三分之二那這個部分在合定之後我們都會就是說這個依照這個各客運業者的運量的部分會計算這個補貼還給業者\n\n15\n00:05:03,621 --> 00:05:17,919\n本期想請教局長什麼時候我們實質上客運業者可以收到這方面的補貼大概什麼時間點這個只要就是因為已經合訂了合訂之後的話就是這個業者來跟我們申請的話我想我們就會合撥\n\n16\n00:05:18,919 --> 00:05:37,704\n好謝謝那請問一下在這個條款上面是不是有針對說這業者如果拿到補貼是不是能夠必須在於在主要是用在是說他們的再去再去多請一些司機或者對於司機的薪資的調漲上面是否有這樣的規定還是說只是讓就是補貼給客運業者隨便用\n\n17\n00:05:39,905 --> 00:05:53,480\n原則上就是說當然就是補貼的話包括就是說服務品質的提升薪資的一個就是說提升的一個要求這個我們會對客運業者我想補貼的時候我們也會對客運業者有所要求\n\n18\n00:05:53,800 --> 00:06:12,374\n好謝謝次長跟局長的回答因為我會認為說現在目前我本席每天早上開車上班那只要是超過7點之後從基隆市大葉隧道一路可能到桃園這邊兩邊就會塞車一路到差不多重慶北路交流道兩邊7點開始每一個交流道\n\n19\n00:06:12,654 --> 00:06:12,834\n林沛祥\n\n20\n00:06:35,580 --> 00:06:37,381\n沛祥委員等一下陳局長你回答一半\n\n21\n00:06:58,703 --> 00:07:13,349\n票價補貼啊票價上漲有沒有,條長已經核定運價票價補貼有沒有我今天打電話王部長他已經批了批了你們收到沒有收到了那什麼時候要實施\n\n22\n00:07:14,409 --> 00:07:41,570\n就是票價補貼補貼一個是全部一個是三分之二一個是二分之一是不是那你們現在是怎麼補貼法我們就是補貼就是三分之二就是TPS的部分的話因為他們的TPS的這個月票的費率並沒有調整所以TPS的使用者的話就是說全國的TPS使用者的話比如說雞皮疙瘩一千兩百元那其實他就付一千兩百元那其他的政治\n\n23\n00:07:43,912 --> 00:08:00,263\n你現在的票價民眾已經無法接受了你如果不做全額的運價調漲的部分不全額的補貼你調整三分之二也好,補助一半也好,這個票還是沒人做啊\n\n24\n00:08:01,284 --> 00:08:17,430\n這些國道這些客運業者一樣規準啊一樣倒墊啊一樣倒啊跟趙偉報告就是說其實已經補貼身分資了那現在就是說像這個短途的部分臺北桃園或是基隆臺北\n\n25\n00:08:17,910 --> 00:08:18,671\n你回答我你們還會不會再檢討\n\n26\n00:08:37,544 --> 00:08:38,364\n謝謝林沛祥委員的質詢\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n4542\t29043\t謝謝主席有請次長次長杜董事長就不用了林委員你好次長你好本席其實有在國營企業體有在交通部手下的國營企業體在那邊上班上過了5年所以我還蠻知道說國營企業體有關國營公司之後轉型之後的辛苦\n29824\t46570\t那我本席不會在這邊預設立場說台鐵的漲價是沒有必要的也不會在這邊特別特別談但是本席想在這邊想談一下說另外一個國營公司交通部手下的國營公司最近又出一些狀況也就是桃園機場公司\n48030\t67056\t5月4號的時候又出現了說天花板忽然墜落那個修繕人員在天花板忽然墜落下來在二航道的時候在5月4號下午2點然後把所有的工作人員跟旅客都嚇了一大跳的事情那我想請這邊請市長能不能跟我們解釋一下到底發生了什麼狀況\n68729\t68969\t李卓人議員\n88029\t88149\t好 謝謝次長\n106658\t123927\t市長我知道這個修繕天花板是主要是修繕有關雨季來臨的下水道的狀況那其實我個人也清楚我上次在質詢的時候也直接質詢過部長在過去十幾年來每年都有出現說桃園機場淹水的狀況只要遇到好大雨\n124767\t137422\t在這邊我就想不禁想請問說請問交通部在今年因為今年的豪雨季節還沒有到在今年的這個桃園機場的這個航廈在針對說漏水淹水的部分是不是已經準備好了\n139556\t159003\t這部分在細節上我並不是很清楚但是很抱歉我要跟委員說明這部分是交通部或者說所屬機場公司必須要做的這些事情您問我準備好了沒有我相信這個應該有做一些準備工作是不是完善我覺得部分還要再經過檢討\n160123\t188321\t這就是本席為什麼今天特地把這拿出來講因為我們知道說再過一兩個禮拜可能好大雨就會來了而且極端大雨來的時候針對我們的一航廈二航廈我們現在在做三航廈的工程就是因為一二航廈都相對老舊而且很容易漏水那本席也知道每年都出了這個狀況的時候所以我在這邊一定要利用會議時間特別提醒既然次長您剛剛講這是國家門戶這是國家的顏面那國家顏面再一次漏水的時候\n188621\t211671\t不能說新加坡張宜機場一天到晚漏水所以我們也可以漏水這個我想這樣的答案不只是本席不能接受全國的國民也不能接受的好那第二個議題其實也是有關說我們今天最主要談到的議題是有關我們的鐵路漲價但鐵路漲價基本上來講對於臺北跟基隆本席是基隆地區選出來的立法委員\n212291\t231296\t對於臺北跟基隆之間雖然有影響但是影響程度或許目前還可以但是本席就很關心另外一個也就是有關這個我們的國道科運國道巴士的問題那請問一下我上次已經私底下問過交通部王部長說\n232176\t259484\t什麼時候運價補貼可以上路那今天市長市長或公路局局長是否已經掌握到比較確切訊息讓我們讓本區讓本席的選民尤其是有關通勤族的事實上不只是本席在基隆包括桃園地區也很關心運價補貼什麼時候能夠上路像說劉喜廷委員他的選區裡面就有兩條葛瑪蘭的路線馬上要被關那這點我想說請我們的交通部解釋一下\n263899\t278778\t整個運價的一個調整交通部在5月1日核定了所以核定之後的話我們在這一個整個運價因為已經就是這一個照這個我們的那個全聯會所提出來的這一個他們的一個公式也都\n279679\t285264\t中長途的部分的話就是我們補貼三分之二那這個部分在合定之後我們都會就是說這個依照這個各客運業者的運量的部分會計算這個補貼還給業者\n303621\t317919\t本期想請教局長什麼時候我們實質上客運業者可以收到這方面的補貼大概什麼時間點這個只要就是因為已經合訂了合訂之後的話就是這個業者來跟我們申請的話我想我們就會合撥\n318919\t337704\t好 謝謝那請問一下在這個條款上面是不是有針對說這業者如果拿到補貼是不是能夠必須在於在主要是用在是說他們的再去再去多請一些司機或者對於司機的薪資的調漲上面是否有這樣的規定還是說只是讓就是補貼給客運業者隨便用\n339905\t353480\t原則上就是說當然就是補貼的話包括就是說服務品質的提升薪資的一個就是說提升的一個要求這個我們會對客運業者我想補貼的時候我們也會對客運業者有所要求\n353800\t372374\t好 謝謝次長跟局長的回答因為我會認為說現在目前我本席每天早上開車上班那只要是超過7點之後從基隆市大葉隧道一路可能到桃園這邊兩邊就會塞車一路到差不多重慶北路交流道兩邊7點開始每一個交流道\n372654\t372834\t林沛祥\n395580\t397381\t沛祥委員等一下陳局長你回答一半\n418703\t433349\t票價補貼啊票價上漲有沒有,條長已經核定運價票價補貼有沒有我今天打電話王部長他已經批了批了你們收到沒有收到了那什麼時候要實施\n434409\t461570\t就是票價補貼補貼一個是全部一個是三分之二一個是二分之一是不是那你們現在是怎麼補貼法我們就是補貼就是三分之二就是TPS的部分的話因為他們的TPS的這個月票的費率並沒有調整所以TPS的使用者的話就是說全國的TPS使用者的話比如說雞皮疙瘩一千兩百元那其實他就付一千兩百元那其他的政治\n463912\t480263\t你現在的票價民眾已經無法接受了你如果不做全額的運價調漲的部分不全額的補貼你調整三分之二也好,補助一半也好,這個票還是沒人做啊\n481284\t497430\t這些國道這些客運業者一樣規準啊一樣倒墊啊一樣倒啊跟趙偉報告就是說其實已經補貼身分資了那現在就是說像這個短途的部分臺北桃園或是基隆臺北\n497910\t498671\t你回答我 你們還會不會再檢討\n517544\t518364\t謝謝林沛祥委員的質詢\n","txt":"謝謝主席有請次長次長杜董事長就不用了林委員你好次長你好本席其實有在國營企業體有在交通部手下的國營企業體在那邊上班上過了5年所以我還蠻知道說國營企業體有關國營公司之後轉型之後的辛苦\n那我本席不會在這邊預設立場說台鐵的漲價是沒有必要的也不會在這邊特別特別談但是本席想在這邊想談一下說另外一個國營公司交通部手下的國營公司最近又出一些狀況也就是桃園機場公司\n5月4號的時候又出現了說天花板忽然墜落那個修繕人員在天花板忽然墜落下來在二航道的時候在5月4號下午2點然後把所有的工作人員跟旅客都嚇了一大跳的事情那我想請這邊請市長能不能跟我們解釋一下到底發生了什麼狀況\n李卓人議員\n好 謝謝次長\n市長我知道這個修繕天花板是主要是修繕有關雨季來臨的下水道的狀況那其實我個人也清楚我上次在質詢的時候也直接質詢過部長在過去十幾年來每年都有出現說桃園機場淹水的狀況只要遇到好大雨\n在這邊我就想不禁想請問說請問交通部在今年因為今年的豪雨季節還沒有到在今年的這個桃園機場的這個航廈在針對說漏水淹水的部分是不是已經準備好了\n這部分在細節上我並不是很清楚但是很抱歉我要跟委員說明這部分是交通部或者說所屬機場公司必須要做的這些事情您問我準備好了沒有我相信這個應該有做一些準備工作是不是完善我覺得部分還要再經過檢討\n這就是本席為什麼今天特地把這拿出來講因為我們知道說再過一兩個禮拜可能好大雨就會來了而且極端大雨來的時候針對我們的一航廈二航廈我們現在在做三航廈的工程就是因為一二航廈都相對老舊而且很容易漏水那本席也知道每年都出了這個狀況的時候所以我在這邊一定要利用會議時間特別提醒既然次長您剛剛講這是國家門戶這是國家的顏面那國家顏面再一次漏水的時候\n不能說新加坡張宜機場一天到晚漏水所以我們也可以漏水這個我想這樣的答案不只是本席不能接受全國的國民也不能接受的好那第二個議題其實也是有關說我們今天最主要談到的議題是有關我們的鐵路漲價但鐵路漲價基本上來講對於臺北跟基隆本席是基隆地區選出來的立法委員\n對於臺北跟基隆之間雖然有影響但是影響程度或許目前還可以但是本席就很關心另外一個也就是有關這個我們的國道科運國道巴士的問題那請問一下我上次已經私底下問過交通部王部長說\n什麼時候運價補貼可以上路那今天市長市長或公路局局長是否已經掌握到比較確切訊息讓我們讓本區讓本席的選民尤其是有關通勤族的事實上不只是本席在基隆包括桃園地區也很關心運價補貼什麼時候能夠上路像說劉喜廷委員他的選區裡面就有兩條葛瑪蘭的路線馬上要被關那這點我想說請我們的交通部解釋一下\n整個運價的一個調整交通部在5月1日核定了所以核定之後的話我們在這一個整個運價因為已經就是這一個照這個我們的那個全聯會所提出來的這一個他們的一個公式也都\n中長途的部分的話就是我們補貼三分之二那這個部分在合定之後我們都會就是說這個依照這個各客運業者的運量的部分會計算這個補貼還給業者\n本期想請教局長什麼時候我們實質上客運業者可以收到這方面的補貼大概什麼時間點這個只要就是因為已經合訂了合訂之後的話就是這個業者來跟我們申請的話我想我們就會合撥\n好 謝謝那請問一下在這個條款上面是不是有針對說這業者如果拿到補貼是不是能夠必須在於在主要是用在是說他們的再去再去多請一些司機或者對於司機的薪資的調漲上面是否有這樣的規定還是說只是讓就是補貼給客運業者隨便用\n原則上就是說當然就是補貼的話包括就是說服務品質的提升薪資的一個就是說提升的一個要求這個我們會對客運業者我想補貼的時候我們也會對客運業者有所要求\n好 謝謝次長跟局長的回答因為我會認為說現在目前我本席每天早上開車上班那只要是超過7點之後從基隆市大葉隧道一路可能到桃園這邊兩邊就會塞車一路到差不多重慶北路交流道兩邊7點開始每一個交流道\n林沛祥\n沛祥委員等一下陳局長你回答一半\n票價補貼啊票價上漲有沒有,條長已經核定運價票價補貼有沒有我今天打電話王部長他已經批了批了你們收到沒有收到了那什麼時候要實施\n就是票價補貼補貼一個是全部一個是三分之二一個是二分之一是不是那你們現在是怎麼補貼法我們就是補貼就是三分之二就是TPS的部分的話因為他們的TPS的這個月票的費率並沒有調整所以TPS的使用者的話就是說全國的TPS使用者的話比如說雞皮疙瘩一千兩百元那其實他就付一千兩百元那其他的政治\n你現在的票價民眾已經無法接受了你如果不做全額的運價調漲的部分不全額的補貼你調整三分之二也好,補助一半也好,這個票還是沒人做啊\n這些國道這些客運業者一樣規準啊一樣倒墊啊一樣倒啊跟趙偉報告就是說其實已經補貼身分資了那現在就是說像這個短途的部分臺北桃園或是基隆臺北\n你回答我 你們還會不會再檢討\n謝謝林沛祥委員的質詢\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.542 --> 00:29.043\n謝謝主席有請次長次長杜董事長就不用了林委員你好次長你好本席其實有在國營企業體有在交通部手下的國營企業體在那邊上班上過了5年所以我還蠻知道說國營企業體有關國營公司之後轉型之後的辛苦\n\n00:29.824 --> 00:46.570\n那我本席不會在這邊預設立場說台鐵的漲價是沒有必要的也不會在這邊特別特別談但是本席想在這邊想談一下說另外一個國營公司交通部手下的國營公司最近又出一些狀況也就是桃園機場公司\n\n00:48.030 --> 01:07.056\n5月4號的時候又出現了說天花板忽然墜落那個修繕人員在天花板忽然墜落下來在二航道的時候在5月4號下午2點然後把所有的工作人員跟旅客都嚇了一大跳的事情那我想請這邊請市長能不能跟我們解釋一下到底發生了什麼狀況\n\n01:08.729 --> 01:08.969\n李卓人議員\n\n01:28.029 --> 01:28.149\n好謝謝次長\n\n01:46.658 --> 02:03.927\n市長我知道這個修繕天花板是主要是修繕有關雨季來臨的下水道的狀況那其實我個人也清楚我上次在質詢的時候也直接質詢過部長在過去十幾年來每年都有出現說桃園機場淹水的狀況只要遇到好大雨\n\n02:04.767 --> 02:17.422\n在這邊我就想不禁想請問說請問交通部在今年因為今年的豪雨季節還沒有到在今年的這個桃園機場的這個航廈在針對說漏水淹水的部分是不是已經準備好了\n\n02:19.556 --> 02:39.003\n這部分在細節上我並不是很清楚但是很抱歉我要跟委員說明這部分是交通部或者說所屬機場公司必須要做的這些事情您問我準備好了沒有我相信這個應該有做一些準備工作是不是完善我覺得部分還要再經過檢討\n\n02:40.123 --> 03:08.321\n這就是本席為什麼今天特地把這拿出來講因為我們知道說再過一兩個禮拜可能好大雨就會來了而且極端大雨來的時候針對我們的一航廈二航廈我們現在在做三航廈的工程就是因為一二航廈都相對老舊而且很容易漏水那本席也知道每年都出了這個狀況的時候所以我在這邊一定要利用會議時間特別提醒既然次長您剛剛講這是國家門戶這是國家的顏面那國家顏面再一次漏水的時候\n\n03:08.621 --> 03:31.671\n不能說新加坡張宜機場一天到晚漏水所以我們也可以漏水這個我想這樣的答案不只是本席不能接受全國的國民也不能接受的好那第二個議題其實也是有關說我們今天最主要談到的議題是有關我們的鐵路漲價但鐵路漲價基本上來講對於臺北跟基隆本席是基隆地區選出來的立法委員\n\n03:32.291 --> 03:51.296\n對於臺北跟基隆之間雖然有影響但是影響程度或許目前還可以但是本席就很關心另外一個也就是有關這個我們的國道科運國道巴士的問題那請問一下我上次已經私底下問過交通部王部長說\n\n03:52.176 --> 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