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00:01:10,973\n那在這年底之前呢還會有陸續其他的展覽不是嗎基本上來講的話SOP的部分我們可以修的都修了這次修的話就是修說因為散落在各個地方我們把它放在一個通則\n\n4\n00:01:12,054 --> 00:01:15,335\n每次只要談到故宮我們想要先問故宮到底國際定位在哪裡我想院長你自己也不否認故宮其實是非常重要的亞洲博物館\n\n5\n00:01:37,961 --> 00:01:46,550\n而且他明明其實有面對國際觀光客的這些資源在身上我們來看在2015年藝術界的權威媒體故宮的評比當時的參觀人次來到500多萬是當時的世界排名全球第六還是當時的亞洲第一可是我們回過來看到現在2023年\n\n6\n00:01:59,904 --> 00:02:00,024\n陳培瑜議員\n\n7\n00:02:18,456 --> 00:02:42,513\n院長你要告訴我是因為疫情那我就先直接告訴你故宮最常常喜歡拿羅浮宮來做學習的對象羅浮宮在2015年也就是我剛剛說故宮第6名的時候當時他是第一名800多萬人次到2023年也就是疫情過後他們依然維持在800多萬人次我想問院長明年就是百年大展了故宮如何面對自己的國際定位這件事情\n\n8\n00:02:44,926 --> 00:03:09,424\n的確因為故宮最慘的時候摔到一年的話41萬人那去年的話是155萬那今年的話我們目標的話是255萬明年的話我們希望說可以回到300萬那在故宮的國際定位上來講的話故宮擁有最精彩的一個華夏文物那我們透過不同的方式國內外交流的話我們希望做一個\n\n9\n00:03:13,146 --> 00:03:32,760\n我們都沒有否定國內外交流的重要性就是剛剛外美領委員質詢的時候也有提到這個文物的交流非常重要但是文物的交流它可能是研究性居多或者是故宮怎麼定位自己的國際交流跟相關的行銷推廣跟面對所謂的國際觀光客以前很常聽到故宮還會說因為入客不來因為疫情\n\n10\n00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:47,679\n那我就問如果故宮想像的就是只有所謂的路客我們不去面對國際觀光客不去想像國際觀光客或是我們不辦相關的活動去召喚國際觀光客他怎麼可能變成有國際定位有自己想像這個國際定位的故宮\n\n11\n00:03:49,721 --> 00:04:03,549\n故宮博物院其實我上任的時候也一直思考怎麼樣提升國際文化交流的動能當然也有貴會的委員提出說故宮要提一個故宮的國際戰略計畫其實這個跟我們原來規劃的不謀而合請問那個國際戰略計畫目前\n\n12\n00:04:08,712 --> 00:04:08,772\n國際戰略目標構想\n\n13\n00:04:26,625 --> 00:04:26,725\n陳培瑜\n\n14\n00:04:42,301 --> 00:04:42,541\n李卓人議員\n\n15\n00:05:01,343 --> 00:05:25,182\n在這個考察當中故宮直接告訴所有教育文化委員會的委員說在文物維護還有庫房管理的人力相當不足這是故宮自己提出來的那我想要問院長你上任這一年多以來你如何看待故宮目前人力的應用靠所謂的基金聘用人力或是實習生非典型的人力來運作擴編人事這件事情因為你們也即將要提出明年的預算嘛院長你自己怎麼看這件事情\n\n16\n00:05:26,973 --> 00:05:50,600\n修復的人力不足這是真的那以故宮來講的話故宮在保存這69萬件文物讓他們安全無疑然後就是做好一個維護工作比買新的展品還重要很多人問說故宮為什麼不買新的展品我沒有問你新展品啦我問你修復人力跟典藏的人力這個部分所以這個部分的話因為受限於總研委法那當然就是說未來的話\n\n17\n00:05:51,380 --> 00:05:51,700\n主席主席主席\n\n18\n00:06:15,725 --> 00:06:16,545\n請院長再次我相信立法院的委員絕對願意支持相關的人力預算\n\n19\n00:06:44,042 --> 00:06:44,482\n故宮必須面對並提出相關需求\n\n20\n00:07:09,454 --> 00:07:28,010\n所以看起來院長你也面臨很多的困境我覺得你確實是要提出來讓大家可以共同參與討論好不好我相信所有教育文化委員會絕對都會支持好最後一分鐘這個院長昨天記者會你有看到嗎你們自己發行這個我手上拿這個金牌人生對好院長你自己有玩過嗎\n\n21\n00:07:29,471 --> 00:07:32,333\n我自己手上有,但是我玩的話我年紀還沒有到要玩\n\n22\n00:07:49,443 --> 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院長早安在開始質詢之前我想所有人都會關心關於這個翠玉白菜最近的新聞但是我們就問因為在相關的新聞稿故宮的回應是說會制定相關SOP那我們就要問這一次因為翠玉白菜所以你們發現有相關SOP不夠但是你們目前內部盤點還有沒有其他SOP是不足的\n我一年來把所有相關的作業規則行政命令通通翻出來然後做一個總盤點所以這個部分的話我想我們在年底的話會有一個故宮的法令會編跟文路安全的作業手冊會出版\n那在這年底之前呢還會有陸續其他的展覽不是嗎基本上來講的話SOP的部分我們可以修的都修了這次修的話就是修說因為散落在各個地方我們把它放在一個通則\n每次只要談到故宮我們想要先問故宮到底國際定位在哪裡我想院長你自己也不否認故宮其實是非常重要的亞洲博物館\n而且他明明其實有面對國際觀光客的這些資源在身上我們來看在2015年藝術界的權威媒體故宮的評比當時的參觀人次來到500多萬是當時的世界排名全球第六還是當時的亞洲第一可是我們回過來看到現在2023年\n陳培瑜議員\n院長你要告訴我是因為疫情那我就先直接告訴你故宮最常常喜歡拿羅浮宮來做學習的對象羅浮宮在2015年也就是我剛剛說故宮第6名的時候當時他是第一名800多萬人次到2023年也就是疫情過後他們依然維持在800多萬人次我想問院長明年就是百年大展了故宮如何面對自己的國際定位這件事情\n的確因為故宮最慘的時候摔到一年的話41萬人那去年的話是155萬那今年的話我們目標的話是255萬明年的話我們希望說可以回到300萬那在故宮的國際定位上來講的話故宮擁有最精彩的一個華夏文物那我們透過不同的方式國內外交流的話我們希望做一個\n我們都沒有否定國內外交流的重要性就是剛剛外美領委員質詢的時候也有提到這個文物的交流非常重要但是文物的交流它可能是研究性居多或者是故宮怎麼定位自己的國際交流跟相關的行銷推廣跟面對所謂的國際觀光客以前很常聽到故宮還會說因為入客不來因為疫情\n那我就問如果故宮想像的就是只有所謂的路客我們不去面對國際觀光客不去想像國際觀光客或是我們不辦相關的活動去召喚國際觀光客他怎麼可能變成有國際定位有自己想像這個國際定位的故宮\n故宮博物院其實我上任的時候也一直思考怎麼樣提升國際文化交流的動能當然也有貴會的委員提出說故宮要提一個故宮的國際戰略計畫其實這個跟我們原來規劃的不謀而合請問那個國際戰略計畫目前\n國際戰略目標構想\n陳培瑜\n李卓人議員\n在這個考察當中故宮直接告訴所有教育文化委員會的委員說在文物維護還有庫房管理的人力相當不足這是故宮自己提出來的那我想要問院長你上任這一年多以來你如何看待故宮目前人力的應用靠所謂的基金聘用人力或是實習生非典型的人力來運作擴編人事這件事情因為你們也即將要提出明年的預算嘛院長你自己怎麼看這件事情\n修復的人力不足這是真的那以故宮來講的話故宮在保存這69萬件文物讓他們安全無疑然後就是做好一個維護工作比買新的展品還重要很多人問說故宮為什麼不買新的展品我沒有問你新展品啦我問你修復人力跟典藏的人力這個部分所以這個部分的話因為受限於總研委法那當然就是說未來的話\n主席主席主席\n請院長再次我相信立法院的委員絕對願意支持相關的人力預算\n故宮必須面對並提出相關需求\n所以看起來院長你也面臨很多的困境我覺得你確實是要提出來讓大家可以共同參與討論好不好我相信所有教育文化委員會絕對都會支持好最後一分鐘這個院長昨天記者會你有看到嗎你們自己發行這個我手上拿這個金牌人生對好院長你自己有玩過嗎\n我自己手上有,但是我玩的話我年紀還沒有到要玩\n好 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