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00:01:45,135\n部長在這邊很正式就是公開的表示今年去台灣不會出現缺氮的狀態不會再出現去年這樣的一個雞蛋之亂嘛對不對好那剛剛的時候因為你有回應這個楊全英委員特別提到說4月19號的時候把之前數的蛋全部過期蛋全部都銷毀掉了嘛對不對\n\n6\n00:01:46,235 --> 00:02:04,204\n那我想問一下,因為你剛剛也回答得非常大聲你就講說這個蛋銷毀了之後那因為我記得在4月17號考察的時候有特別押了一個時間就是4月30號之前的時候所有的影片必須要上架請問這個部分我們做到了嗎?\n\n7\n00:02:04,844 --> 00:02:29,650\n我想我們的影片因為整個影片包括我們每一批的影片那個上架的那個檔案非常大所以我們把相關的三個部分一個是在出庫的部分一個在運輸的部分一個是在做堆肥的部分的影片我們有上架那如果任何有希望在看其他日期的部分可以來申請因為我們不可能所有\n\n8\n00:02:30,430 --> 00:02:30,670\n主席\n\n9\n00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:51,980\n農業部\n\n10\n00:03:07,845 --> 00:03:28,311\n能夠的時候某一個部分能夠把最新的版本上來如果說你們覺得檔案太大不要把所有的過程上來我也接受這個部分可是我希望最新的東西能夠很清楚然後讓民眾看到整個的一個過程因為我們看到這過程當中沒有聲音然後沒有相關的一個盤點的一個細節好不好\n\n11\n00:03:30,531 --> 00:03:42,485\n我跟委員說明一下就是我們整個錄影沒有錄音我們是用密錄器的方式那我也同意這個銷毀是用密錄器的方式錄啊為什麼要用密錄器的方式錄\n\n12\n00:03:44,008 --> 00:04:11,181\n因為它是一個監督因為我們這個監督不能夠公開的方式用密錄器錄不是我們是掛在胸前這樣錄的方式啦那也許用詞可能不是那麼恰當但是每一個人都知道正在錄影但是我們並沒有錄音這第一點第二點就是說我們會選一個就是因為都有第三方的要求包括地方政府的衛生局啊或者是國稅局都會去參加這樣的一個一個銷毀的動作\n\n13\n00:04:12,761 --> 00:04:39,327\n這個部分就是仔細把它弄好因為你剛剛承諾一個今年不會發生缺氮的事情我覺得至少是一個政策性的一個宣示那這些後續的部分的時候我們希望把它做得更完善然後讓民眾覺得這過去這十億的錯誤政策要買單的錢不會這麼痛至少你有一個負責任的一個做法那我接下來我想問一個部分\n\n14\n00:04:41,088 --> 00:04:54,842\n針對我們整個動物傳染病防治條例當中的時候我們目前如何界定網際網路內容如果涉及境外因施檢異物我們怎麼去判斷這個部分部長\n\n15\n00:04:55,342 --> 00:05:24,081\n我想在網站的部分我們會去監控相關的網站那第一個就是網站如果有疑似使用中國的這些圖片的時候那我們第一個就會先懷疑只要疑似就要求下架嗎這樣子因為我們是根據我們動物傳染病的一個防治的一個條例那基本上影片他會PO這樣的一個影片表示說他是在那個國家的東西所以我們很有理由就是說他是由中國的這個產品\n\n16\n00:05:25,242 --> 00:05:25,863\n請問這個部分的時候你們認為要不要下架?\n\n17\n00:05:42,123 --> 00:06:06,285\n市長你直接回答我就好,因為時間有限,你直接回答我因為這個是食品,我們強調的是跟動植物防疫檢疫有關的所以它本身像你說雞蛋或其他的跟動物的製品有關的我們才會處理所以這個東西你不處理的,好這個東西不處理是不是所以是不會下架嘛,不處理就不會下架的意思啊沒有我不知道這個裡面的東西是什麼\n\n18\n00:06:09,674 --> 00:06:25,304\n寵物的凍乾和食品你就看這兩個部長你簡單回應我一下好不好這個東西你覺得要怎麼處理我想我們有專業的判斷就是說這個圖片這個要不要下架這個要看他的產品的來源\n\n19\n00:06:28,896 --> 00:06:47,972\n這個來源人家就很清楚提供所有的資料告訴你來源是台灣的結果你們要求人家下架就看這圖感覺很像就叫人家下架部長我再看下一個齁這個左邊是台灣的右邊是淘寶的照片完全一樣你就要不要下架好部長你回答不出來我再往下看\n\n20\n00:06:56,136 --> 00:07:23,416\n這個是左邊是台灣的右邊是大陸的這個要不要下架照片完全一樣欸不是我要跟委員說明齁不是中國的產品都不能進來第一個就是說它符合就是說某些產品是禁止由大陸中國進口的部分理解所以部長所以我要你直接做這樣子判斷因為你們這邊在做處理的時候就說圖片相似就要求人家下架完全沒有顧慮到廠商\n\n21\n00:07:25,208 --> 00:07:47,590\n生存多麼的不容易,要做生意你以為很容易嗎?結果我舉這三個案子當中的時候,第一個案子就是你們看到圖片相似,疑似就要求人家直接下架,人家當天提出證明他從台灣採購的東西,你們完全不認喔!沒有沒有,我跟委員說你不是這樣子齁,他們提出來以後我們要去查,\n\n22\n00:07:48,631 --> 00:08:10,102\n是不是這樣子的那是不是要查被我確定才叫人家下架你們是第一時間就叫人家下架部長你知道他們這怎麼處理嗎所以我在想說現在農業部這麼大防檢局這麼大只要他覺得儀式圖片類似就要求下架欸那我現在如果是廠商惡性競爭的時候我覺得好你再看下面齁\n\n23\n00:08:12,312 --> 00:08:34,722\n我再看下面一張左邊這邊是台灣知名品牌的被人家用同樣的照片放在大陸的網站上面他是不是相似他是完全一樣喔如果這樣子的時候我們直接來你們這邊檢舉你們是不是叫他們一定要下架我要跟委員說明喔不是大陸的網站就叫做中國的東西\n\n24\n00:08:35,522 --> 00:08:35,802\n瞭解\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n329\t590\t陳冠廷\n20414\t38721\t部長好 因為你是少數橫跨520都繼續在這個位置上面的部長那其實因為今天的解凍案當中的時候其實有一個農業管理虛募管理部分有一個一千萬的部分那其中這部分其實跟去年的雞蛋之亂其實有一些關係\n39961\t40501\t昨年的雞蛋之亂 今年\n64029\t85846\t臺灣雞蛋的供需狀況是不是還會出現缺口需要從國外進口的狀態我想以我們現在目前的評估是不會的因為在去年我們把整個的一個雞蛋的產業鏈重組了以後那現在的蛋中雞跟蛋精它的生產效率也提高了然後每日蛋的產能也提高了所以我們預估整個的一年幾年\n86627\t105135\t部長在這邊很正式就是公開的表示今年去台灣不會出現缺氮的狀態不會再出現去年這樣的一個雞蛋之亂嘛對不對好那剛剛的時候因為你有回應這個楊全英委員特別提到說4月19號的時候把之前數的蛋全部過期蛋全部都銷毀掉了嘛對不對\n106235\t124204\t那我想問一下,因為你剛剛也回答得非常大聲你就講說這個蛋銷毀了之後那因為我記得在4月17號考察的時候有特別押了一個時間就是4月30號之前的時候所有的影片必須要上架請問這個部分我們做到了嗎?\n124844\t149650\t我想我們的影片因為整個影片包括我們每一批的影片那個上架的那個檔案非常大所以我們把相關的三個部分一個是在出庫的部分一個在運輸的部分一個是在做堆肥的部分的影片我們有上架那如果任何有希望在看其他日期的部分可以來申請因為我們不可能所有\n150430\t150670\t主席\n171960\t171980\t農業部\n187845\t208311\t能夠的時候某一個部分能夠把最新的版本上來如果說你們覺得檔案太大不要把所有的過程上來我也接受這個部分可是我希望最新的東西能夠很清楚然後讓民眾看到整個的一個過程因為我們看到這過程當中沒有聲音然後沒有相關的一個盤點的一個細節好不好\n210531\t222485\t我跟委員說明一下就是我們整個錄影沒有錄音我們是用密錄器的方式那我也同意這個銷毀是用密錄器的方式錄啊為什麼要用密錄器的方式錄\n224008\t251181\t因為它是一個監督因為我們這個監督不能夠公開的方式用密錄器錄不是我們是掛在胸前這樣錄的方式啦那也許用詞可能不是那麼恰當但是每一個人都知道正在錄影但是我們並沒有錄音這第一點第二點就是說我們會選一個就是因為都有第三方的要求包括地方政府的衛生局啊或者是國稅局都會去參加這樣的一個一個銷毀的動作\n252761\t279327\t這個部分就是仔細把它弄好因為你剛剛承諾一個今年不會發生缺氮的事情我覺得至少是一個政策性的一個宣示那這些後續的部分的時候我們希望把它做得更完善然後讓民眾覺得這過去這十億的錯誤政策要買單的錢不會這麼痛至少你有一個負責任的一個做法那我接下來我想問一個部分\n281088\t294842\t針對我們整個動物傳染病防治條例當中的時候我們目前如何界定網際網路內容如果涉及境外因施檢異物我們怎麼去判斷這個部分部長\n295342\t324081\t我想在網站的部分我們會去監控相關的網站那第一個就是網站如果有疑似使用中國的這些圖片的時候那我們第一個就會先懷疑只要疑似就要求下架嗎這樣子因為我們是根據我們動物傳染病的一個防治的一個條例那基本上影片他會PO這樣的一個影片表示說他是在那個國家的東西所以我們很有理由就是說他是由中國的這個產品\n325242\t325863\t請問這個部分的時候你們認為要不要下架?\n342123\t366285\t市長你直接回答我就好,因為時間有限,你直接回答我因為這個是食品,我們強調的是跟動植物防疫檢疫有關的所以它本身像你說雞蛋或其他的跟動物的製品有關的我們才會處理所以這個東西你不處理的,好這個東西不處理是不是所以是不會下架嘛,不處理就不會下架的意思啊沒有我不知道這個裡面的東西是什麼\n369674\t385304\t寵物的凍乾和食品你就看這兩個部長你簡單回應我一下好不好這個東西你覺得要怎麼處理我想我們有專業的判斷就是說這個圖片這個要不要下架這個要看他的產品的來源\n388896\t407972\t這個來源人家就很清楚提供所有的資料告訴你來源是台灣的結果你們要求人家下架就看這圖感覺很像就叫人家下架部長我再看下一個齁這個左邊是台灣的右邊是淘寶的照片完全一樣你就要不要下架好部長你回答不出來我再往下看\n416136\t443416\t這個是左邊是台灣的右邊是大陸的這個要不要下架照片完全一樣欸不是 我要跟委員說明齁不是中國的產品都不能進來第一個就是說它符合就是說某些產品是禁止由大陸中國進口的部分理解 所以部長所以我要你直接做這樣子判斷因為你們這邊在做處理的時候就說圖片相似就要求人家下架完全沒有顧慮到廠商\n445208\t467590\t生存多麼的不容易,要做生意你以為很容易嗎?結果我舉這三個案子當中的時候,第一個案子就是你們看到圖片相似,疑似就要求人家直接下架,人家當天提出證明他從台灣採購的東西,你們完全不認喔!沒有沒有,我跟委員說你不是這樣子齁,他們提出來以後我們要去查,\n468631\t490102\t是不是這樣子的那是不是要查被我確定才叫人家下架你們是第一時間就叫人家下架部長你知道他們這怎麼處理嗎所以我在想說現在農業部這麼大防檢局這麼大只要他覺得儀式圖片類似就要求下架欸那我現在如果是廠商惡性競爭的時候我覺得好你再看下面齁\n492312\t514722\t我再看下面一張左邊這邊是台灣知名品牌的被人家用同樣的照片放在大陸的網站上面他是不是相似他是完全一樣喔如果這樣子的時候我們直接來你們這邊檢舉你們是不是叫他們一定要下架我要跟委員說明喔不是大陸的網站就叫做中國的東西\n515522\t515802\t瞭解\n","txt":"陳冠廷\n部長好 因為你是少數橫跨520都繼續在這個位置上面的部長那其實因為今天的解凍案當中的時候其實有一個農業管理虛募管理部分有一個一千萬的部分那其中這部分其實跟去年的雞蛋之亂其實有一些關係\n昨年的雞蛋之亂 今年\n臺灣雞蛋的供需狀況是不是還會出現缺口需要從國外進口的狀態我想以我們現在目前的評估是不會的因為在去年我們把整個的一個雞蛋的產業鏈重組了以後那現在的蛋中雞跟蛋精它的生產效率也提高了然後每日蛋的產能也提高了所以我們預估整個的一年幾年\n部長在這邊很正式就是公開的表示今年去台灣不會出現缺氮的狀態不會再出現去年這樣的一個雞蛋之亂嘛對不對好那剛剛的時候因為你有回應這個楊全英委員特別提到說4月19號的時候把之前數的蛋全部過期蛋全部都銷毀掉了嘛對不對\n那我想問一下,因為你剛剛也回答得非常大聲你就講說這個蛋銷毀了之後那因為我記得在4月17號考察的時候有特別押了一個時間就是4月30號之前的時候所有的影片必須要上架請問這個部分我們做到了嗎?\n我想我們的影片因為整個影片包括我們每一批的影片那個上架的那個檔案非常大所以我們把相關的三個部分一個是在出庫的部分一個在運輸的部分一個是在做堆肥的部分的影片我們有上架那如果任何有希望在看其他日期的部分可以來申請因為我們不可能所有\n主席\n農業部\n能夠的時候某一個部分能夠把最新的版本上來如果說你們覺得檔案太大不要把所有的過程上來我也接受這個部分可是我希望最新的東西能夠很清楚然後讓民眾看到整個的一個過程因為我們看到這過程當中沒有聲音然後沒有相關的一個盤點的一個細節好不好\n我跟委員說明一下就是我們整個錄影沒有錄音我們是用密錄器的方式那我也同意這個銷毀是用密錄器的方式錄啊為什麼要用密錄器的方式錄\n因為它是一個監督因為我們這個監督不能夠公開的方式用密錄器錄不是我們是掛在胸前這樣錄的方式啦那也許用詞可能不是那麼恰當但是每一個人都知道正在錄影但是我們並沒有錄音這第一點第二點就是說我們會選一個就是因為都有第三方的要求包括地方政府的衛生局啊或者是國稅局都會去參加這樣的一個一個銷毀的動作\n這個部分就是仔細把它弄好因為你剛剛承諾一個今年不會發生缺氮的事情我覺得至少是一個政策性的一個宣示那這些後續的部分的時候我們希望把它做得更完善然後讓民眾覺得這過去這十億的錯誤政策要買單的錢不會這麼痛至少你有一個負責任的一個做法那我接下來我想問一個部分\n針對我們整個動物傳染病防治條例當中的時候我們目前如何界定網際網路內容如果涉及境外因施檢異物我們怎麼去判斷這個部分部長\n我想在網站的部分我們會去監控相關的網站那第一個就是網站如果有疑似使用中國的這些圖片的時候那我們第一個就會先懷疑只要疑似就要求下架嗎這樣子因為我們是根據我們動物傳染病的一個防治的一個條例那基本上影片他會PO這樣的一個影片表示說他是在那個國家的東西所以我們很有理由就是說他是由中國的這個產品\n請問這個部分的時候你們認為要不要下架?\n市長你直接回答我就好,因為時間有限,你直接回答我因為這個是食品,我們強調的是跟動植物防疫檢疫有關的所以它本身像你說雞蛋或其他的跟動物的製品有關的我們才會處理所以這個東西你不處理的,好這個東西不處理是不是所以是不會下架嘛,不處理就不會下架的意思啊沒有我不知道這個裡面的東西是什麼\n寵物的凍乾和食品你就看這兩個部長你簡單回應我一下好不好這個東西你覺得要怎麼處理我想我們有專業的判斷就是說這個圖片這個要不要下架這個要看他的產品的來源\n這個來源人家就很清楚提供所有的資料告訴你來源是台灣的結果你們要求人家下架就看這圖感覺很像就叫人家下架部長我再看下一個齁這個左邊是台灣的右邊是淘寶的照片完全一樣你就要不要下架好部長你回答不出來我再往下看\n這個是左邊是台灣的右邊是大陸的這個要不要下架照片完全一樣欸不是 我要跟委員說明齁不是中國的產品都不能進來第一個就是說它符合就是說某些產品是禁止由大陸中國進口的部分理解 所以部長所以我要你直接做這樣子判斷因為你們這邊在做處理的時候就說圖片相似就要求人家下架完全沒有顧慮到廠商\n生存多麼的不容易,要做生意你以為很容易嗎?結果我舉這三個案子當中的時候,第一個案子就是你們看到圖片相似,疑似就要求人家直接下架,人家當天提出證明他從台灣採購的東西,你們完全不認喔!沒有沒有,我跟委員說你不是這樣子齁,他們提出來以後我們要去查,\n是不是這樣子的那是不是要查被我確定才叫人家下架你們是第一時間就叫人家下架部長你知道他們這怎麼處理嗎所以我在想說現在農業部這麼大防檢局這麼大只要他覺得儀式圖片類似就要求下架欸那我現在如果是廠商惡性競爭的時候我覺得好你再看下面齁\n我再看下面一張左邊這邊是台灣知名品牌的被人家用同樣的照片放在大陸的網站上面他是不是相似他是完全一樣喔如果這樣子的時候我們直接來你們這邊檢舉你們是不是叫他們一定要下架我要跟委員說明喔不是大陸的網站就叫做中國的東西\n瞭解\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.329 --> 00:00.590\n陳冠廷\n\n00:20.414 --> 00:38.721\n部長好因為你是少數橫跨520都繼續在這個位置上面的部長那其實因為今天的解凍案當中的時候其實有一個農業管理虛募管理部分有一個一千萬的部分那其中這部分其實跟去年的雞蛋之亂其實有一些關係\n\n00:39.961 --> 00:40.501\n昨年的雞蛋之亂今年\n\n01:04.029 --> 01:25.846\n臺灣雞蛋的供需狀況是不是還會出現缺口需要從國外進口的狀態我想以我們現在目前的評估是不會的因為在去年我們把整個的一個雞蛋的產業鏈重組了以後那現在的蛋中雞跟蛋精它的生產效率也提高了然後每日蛋的產能也提高了所以我們預估整個的一年幾年\n\n01:26.627 --> 01:45.135\n部長在這邊很正式就是公開的表示今年去台灣不會出現缺氮的狀態不會再出現去年這樣的一個雞蛋之亂嘛對不對好那剛剛的時候因為你有回應這個楊全英委員特別提到說4月19號的時候把之前數的蛋全部過期蛋全部都銷毀掉了嘛對不對\n\n01:46.235 --> 02:04.204\n那我想問一下,因為你剛剛也回答得非常大聲你就講說這個蛋銷毀了之後那因為我記得在4月17號考察的時候有特別押了一個時間就是4月30號之前的時候所有的影片必須要上架請問這個部分我們做到了嗎?\n\n02:04.844 --> 02:29.650\n我想我們的影片因為整個影片包括我們每一批的影片那個上架的那個檔案非常大所以我們把相關的三個部分一個是在出庫的部分一個在運輸的部分一個是在做堆肥的部分的影片我們有上架那如果任何有希望在看其他日期的部分可以來申請因為我們不可能所有\n\n02:30.430 --> 02:30.670\n主席\n\n02:51.960 --> 02:51.980\n農業部\n\n03:07.845 --> 03:28.311\n能夠的時候某一個部分能夠把最新的版本上來如果說你們覺得檔案太大不要把所有的過程上來我也接受這個部分可是我希望最新的東西能夠很清楚然後讓民眾看到整個的一個過程因為我們看到這過程當中沒有聲音然後沒有相關的一個盤點的一個細節好不好\n\n03:30.531 --> 03:42.485\n我跟委員說明一下就是我們整個錄影沒有錄音我們是用密錄器的方式那我也同意這個銷毀是用密錄器的方式錄啊為什麼要用密錄器的方式錄\n\n03:44.008 --> 04:11.181\n因為它是一個監督因為我們這個監督不能夠公開的方式用密錄器錄不是我們是掛在胸前這樣錄的方式啦那也許用詞可能不是那麼恰當但是每一個人都知道正在錄影但是我們並沒有錄音這第一點第二點就是說我們會選一個就是因為都有第三方的要求包括地方政府的衛生局啊或者是國稅局都會去參加這樣的一個一個銷毀的動作\n\n04:12.761 --> 04:39.327\n這個部分就是仔細把它弄好因為你剛剛承諾一個今年不會發生缺氮的事情我覺得至少是一個政策性的一個宣示那這些後續的部分的時候我們希望把它做得更完善然後讓民眾覺得這過去這十億的錯誤政策要買單的錢不會這麼痛至少你有一個負責任的一個做法那我接下來我想問一個部分\n\n04:41.088 --> 04:54.842\n針對我們整個動物傳染病防治條例當中的時候我們目前如何界定網際網路內容如果涉及境外因施檢異物我們怎麼去判斷這個部分部長\n\n04:55.342 --> 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