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00:00:54,354\n基本上抱歉你可能不太理解我的問題我說國際間給俄羅斯有什麼樣的制裁到目前為止大概有16500多項制裁那包含對他外匯儲備上面的凍結3500億美金左右\n\n4\n00:00:56,256 --> 00:00:57,197\n2、處理院會交付113年度中央政府總預算\n\n5\n00:01:16,027 --> 00:01:40,877\n他們持續的大量購買黃金那已經到達了2262噸的新高副局長是否有注意到這個狀況你覺得這是不是一個危險、風險的評估在升高因為當他做這個準備的時候他就是從俄羅斯那邊有學到了他知道他會對他們的外匯做這個制裁各個國際都會但是他如果用黃金的話是不是有一個我們的安全的狀況此區域的安全狀況是不是有風險的提高\n\n6\n00:01:41,958 --> 00:02:02,039\n感謝委員的指導的確從俄烏戰爭俄羅斯入侵烏克蘭之後事實上中共也不斷的在看就是國際上對俄羅斯怎麼的制裁還有在俄烏作戰攻防的過程當中中共也在學習譬如說俄羅斯受到的制裁裡面未來假設中共\n\n7\n00:02:03,171 --> 00:02:18,829\n有些他沒辦法像俄羅斯有那麼強的一個因應的一個能力比如說俄羅斯對糧食、能源、礦產各方面他有很多他自給自足的實力那現在國際上對俄羅斯的制裁最大的問題就是說\n\n8\n00:02:20,134 --> 00:02:41,942\n有一些國家事實上還是不斷地從俄羅斯購買石油天然氣所以事實上我們可以看出俄羅斯雖然在作戰而且受到制裁但是他的經濟的發展事實上還是不斷地在做成長還有他的軍工產業就是重建復甦的能量相當強相當強\n\n9\n00:02:43,723 --> 00:03:05,837\n部長我想這些都是我們觀察到的現象特別是說他為什麼能夠重建他的軍工產業當然是中國的資源不管是軍事資源、間接資源都不斷的在提供這個俄羅斯的戰爭的系統持續在下去不然這樣子的制裁其實是非常全面的也就是說我們可以從中學到說如果俄羅斯儘管在面對這麼多的制裁他還是\n\n10\n00:03:06,778 --> 00:03:27,531\n面臨這樣子的這種來自中國的這種資源來自北韓來自伊朗的話那我們也必須要預作準備包含他們過去在堡壘化他們的國家已經就是在準備在對烏克蘭侵略之前就已經在準備準備堡壘化所有的包含你剛剛提到的礦場資源等等還有包含跟中國之間的關係都預先準備如果這已經是一個事先就知道的命題\n\n11\n00:03:28,431 --> 00:03:44,530\n國安局必須要把他所有現在俄羅斯哪些是有效的制裁哪些沒有用的制裁全部統整之後必須完整的你們當然有自己的國安匯報然後統整給國防部給經濟部給財政部因為這些我們必須在今天嚇阻明天的戰爭\n\n12\n00:03:45,191 --> 00:04:14,577\n所以我們今天有得到這些資訊是非常重要的中國現在很明顯的是在學習俄羅斯怎麼樣因應西方國家制裁的方法這是在戰略方面嘛他們要透過黃金避免自己受美元的制裁嘛包含他們各種這種在其他的這種外匯的這種準備不是以美金為主開始在大量的在釋放出這個美債我們都會看出這個信息是不斷的在提高的所以風險的溝通非常重要我們包含國防部包含外交部我們不能夠跟大家說一切都在掌控之下\n\n13\n00:04:15,882 --> 00:04:23,051\n我們能夠掌控的當然權利去掌控但是有很多地方也在進化的部分我們必須要把這些訊息跟所有的國民講\n\n14\n00:04:24,502 --> 00:04:52,698\n在立法院就是一個溝通的管道剛才你談到俄羅斯我們也談到中國中俄的合作情報總監美國情報總監海恩斯已經在他的聽證會上面有示警中國跟俄羅斯開始在台灣問題的進行軍事演練那他們也希望在台灣問題上面的合作那過去俄羅斯對中國當然是有地緣政治上面的競爭那還有與日本之間的他北方的四島的根本關係那我想請教這樣子的俄羅斯跟中國之間的這樣子的合作這就是給我們另外一個話語權跟日本加強合作\n\n15\n00:04:53,058 --> 00:05:10,265\n因為很明顯的中俄之間會在中俄之間合作之後．包含在北方四島．他們對日本的壓力是怎麼樣．對台灣的壓力是怎麼樣．這個部分的情節有沒有掌握到．因為我必須要從美國的情報總監海恩斯上面．才聽到類似這樣的事情．副局長你怎麼看待這樣的合作．\n\n16\n00:05:11,465 --> 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