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00:05:13,750\n對跟我們報告一下\n\n15\n00:05:41,297 --> 00:06:06,262\n故宮將近70萬件的物件的話基本上來講都已經完成數位典藏所以一般民眾的話都可以上網去查閱但是開放opendata的話是40萬件所以我們會繼續努力好那當然在這個地方我們有特別講到就是前一天我特別我們有去故宮特別做了一個考察跟參訪那當然關於所謂的這個古物文物的一個修復的一個現狀\n\n16\n00:06:07,222 --> 00:06:23,245\n其實我個人看的是非常的感動啦因為其實我自己本身在做秀真藝術的其實我看了那麼多的不同的工具那麼多的細微的一個細部的部分其實匠人的精神就是在這個地方其實完全的展現這個地方一定要給故宮更多的一個支持跟鼓勵啦\n\n17\n00:06:23,986 --> 00:06:46,957\n但是就是在原額的部分在剛剛其實有很多的委員我們也特別有提到那當然這個部分可能會跟原本在這個行政院的人事行政總處這個地方他們總原額限制的一個關係所以這個部分我們要怎麼樣來來擴展這樣子的一個人力因為我想當然不是70萬件都有問題都需要修補當然不是這樣\n\n18\n00:06:48,017 --> 00:07:08,734\n必須是說我們可能在所謂的預防性的修復或者是在修復完之後的觀察維持這個其實也很重要但我相信其實16人雖然對我們的故宮來講這是滿邊的一個狀態但是其實他緣額還是不足的這個部分是不是故宮這邊有什麼樣的一個想法我們可以來做一個跟行政院這邊來做一個相對的\n\n19\n00:07:12,337 --> 00:07:30,105\n第一階段我們接下來會盤整總人力然後去把那個空間騰出來如果可以優先進補那個文物修復人才的話那因為南印大培養很多學生基本上來講的話都進不到博物館故宮願意開放這樣的一個空間然後讓更多修復人才到故宮來\n\n20\n00:07:31,605 --> 00:07:55,593\n新故宮計畫我們不管南院北院整理之後我們都有一個比較標準的一個修復空間然後讓修復的工作可以進行得更順暢這個預計在什麼時候會全部的完工呢?這個新故宮計畫因為我記得上一次其實有特別提到北院的圖書文獻大樓就第二展覽館包括修復室的話是在明年年底那南院的話要到117年\n\n21\n00:07:57,594 --> 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其實很開心喔就是禮拜一的時候我們有特別到故宮去做考察那雖然我沒有翠玉白菜但是我的作品在這裡裡面有那個三顆玻璃高麗菜\n43564\t63219\t主要是想要還是要再提及昨天的新聞上面我們看到了翠玉白菜的一個狀況那這個部分我想這個的確是有一些疏失那我自己本身對於自己的作品其實也很珍藏那麼在搬運的過程其實我也經常就是不想要\n64740\t67783\t委員長,你們有做什麼樣的一個懲處或者是說對民眾有什麼樣的一個交代必須要在這邊說明的嗎?\n84656\t100889\t關於那個南美館展覽這件事情當然就是因為總共將近13萬人然後展覽辦理得非常成功尤其那個同仁嗨婚的頭忘記了標準座位程序所以這個部分的話的確是一個缺失這對專業人員的專業\n105453\t126272\t本質的信念我覺得我們還要再加強那至於懲處的部分的話因為台南美術館他們才把那個整個結案報告送過來所以我們現在還沒有簽到我這邊所以我們會用賞華分明的方式就是說因為大家真的很辛苦然後該犯錯就犯錯我們會來做一個處理\n128213\t154637\t對,但這樣子的一個舉動的確是對民眾觀感來講其實是非常不好的話對故宮的形象是有非常非常大的一個傷害對好,那我想關於這個故宮的百年大展其實我們就是也特別強調在明年的2025年其實是一個雙重意義的一年就是從台北建造了這個台版的故宮到現在其實我們是一甲子那再加上明年的這個百年大展的部分\n155077\t156738\t其實故宮百年的活動是我上任以來我發現說其實過去沒有規劃所以我就開始著手規劃\n177980\t197378\t昨日規劃有些部分牽涉到經費的問題因為我們要跟國外借產牽涉到經費所以為什麼到目前為止都沒有宣布的原因就是因為我們的預算明年的預算今年才會提出我如果提早宣布的話那預算沒有辦法配合基本上來講的話也是一個大的麻煩\n198779\t217249\t所以這個部分的話 我想百年大展的 百年 慶祝百年活動的規劃我們一起再進行從厭食的方面 然後從展覽的方面 從文創行銷的方面但是我剛也在這邊報告過了 我們的行銷的經費少到可憐 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其實很開心喔就是禮拜一的時候我們有特別到故宮去做考察那雖然我沒有翠玉白菜但是我的作品在這裡裡面有那個三顆玻璃高麗菜\n主要是想要還是要再提及昨天的新聞上面我們看到了翠玉白菜的一個狀況那這個部分我想這個的確是有一些疏失那我自己本身對於自己的作品其實也很珍藏那麼在搬運的過程其實我也經常就是不想要\n委員長,你們有做什麼樣的一個懲處或者是說對民眾有什麼樣的一個交代必須要在這邊說明的嗎?\n關於那個南美館展覽這件事情當然就是因為總共將近13萬人然後展覽辦理得非常成功尤其那個同仁嗨婚的頭忘記了標準座位程序所以這個部分的話的確是一個缺失這對專業人員的專業\n本質的信念我覺得我們還要再加強那至於懲處的部分的話因為台南美術館他們才把那個整個結案報告送過來所以我們現在還沒有簽到我這邊所以我們會用賞華分明的方式就是說因為大家真的很辛苦然後該犯錯就犯錯我們會來做一個處理\n對,但這樣子的一個舉動的確是對民眾觀感來講其實是非常不好的話對故宮的形象是有非常非常大的一個傷害對好,那我想關於這個故宮的百年大展其實我們就是也特別強調在明年的2025年其實是一個雙重意義的一年就是從台北建造了這個台版的故宮到現在其實我們是一甲子那再加上明年的這個百年大展的部分\n其實故宮百年的活動是我上任以來我發現說其實過去沒有規劃所以我就開始著手規劃\n昨日規劃有些部分牽涉到經費的問題因為我們要跟國外借產牽涉到經費所以為什麼到目前為止都沒有宣布的原因就是因為我們的預算明年的預算今年才會提出我如果提早宣布的話那預算沒有辦法配合基本上來講的話也是一個大的麻煩\n所以這個部分的話 我想百年大展的 百年 慶祝百年活動的規劃我們一起再進行從厭食的方面 然後從展覽的方面 從文創行銷的方面但是我剛也在這邊報告過了 我們的行銷的經費少到可憐 我覺得說\n故宮過去好像就我老品牌都不用做宣傳不用雜誌廣告什麼都不用然後自己大家都會來所以這個部分的話因為他牽涉到經會如果我們要編經會的話也要主計處同意然後大院這邊也要支持所以這個部分的話那可能請故宮這邊你們也提出你們需要的一些經費或者是一些計畫其實比較具體的部分其實可以我們經會都已經算好了只是只是等著要跟主計處協調\n國立故宮博物院院長蕭宗煌列席\n事實上在那個臺南的那個千載藍紅的展覽的對一個階段的那個那個數位作品的話其實他就是用AI他用AI去模擬那個幻谷的畫作賽上的畫作然後跟中國的書畫結合在一起所以我們已經開始應用\n是,其實連我們的這個數位的這個數位展然後曾經故宮的一個數位展其實也上次我特別去看了一下那我覺得展覽就是這樣就是即使我們有7萬件的文物在故宮典藏\n對 跟我們報告一下\n故宮將近70萬件的物件的話基本上來講都已經完成數位典藏所以一般民眾的話都可以上網去查閱但是開放open data的話是40萬件所以我們會繼續努力好那當然在這個地方我們有特別講到就是前一天我特別我們有去故宮特別做了一個考察跟參訪那當然關於所謂的這個古物文物的一個修復的一個現狀\n其實我個人看的是非常的感動啦因為其實我自己本身在做秀真藝術的其實我看了那麼多的不同的工具那麼多的細微的一個細部的部分其實匠人的精神就是在這個地方其實完全的展現這個地方一定要給故宮更多的一個支持跟鼓勵啦\n但是就是在原額的部分在剛剛其實有很多的委員我們也特別有提到那當然這個部分可能會跟原本在這個行政院的人事行政總處這個地方他們總原額限制的一個關係所以這個部分我們要怎麼樣來來擴展這樣子的一個人力因為我想當然不是70萬件都有問題都需要修補當然不是這樣\n必須是說我們可能在所謂的預防性的修復或者是在修復完之後的觀察維持這個其實也很重要但我相信其實16人雖然對我們的故宮來講這是滿邊的一個狀態但是其實他緣額還是不足的這個部分是不是故宮這邊有什麼樣的一個想法我們可以來做一個跟行政院這邊來做一個相對的\n第一階段我們接下來會盤整總人力然後去把那個空間騰出來如果可以優先進補那個文物修復人才的話那因為南印大培養很多學生基本上來講的話都進不到博物館故宮願意開放這樣的一個空間然後讓更多修復人才到故宮來\n新故宮計畫我們不管南院北院整理之後我們都有一個比較標準的一個修復空間然後讓修復的工作可以進行得更順暢這個預計在什麼時候會全部的完工呢?這個新故宮計畫因為我記得上一次其實有特別提到北院的圖書文獻大樓就第二展覽館包括修復室的話是在明年年底那南院的話要到117年\n執政委員\n基本上來講的話典藏的研究人員的話他們可以做一個基本的維護可是如果親入室的修復基本上來講的話都要經過專業訓練才有辦法去進行所以如果是南院的文物需要修復的話其實還是要送到北院這個地方來的嗎不是 因為如果是看文物小的尤其會附送但是一般來講的話都是北院的修復師下去南院去幫忙協作\n瞭解瞭解\n故宮有什麼樣的一些困境其實在這個地方可以告訴我們的嗎剛剛也有委員提到基本上來講的話我們用傳統的一個庫房管理然後改為RFIDRFID的話雖然晚一點的話但基本上來講它還是一個基礎所以未來的話如果用AI數位化管理的話如果可以節省更多的人力的話當然是一個很好的一個\n因為我們知道其實在器物存放的庫房當中光是就是我們的器物處其實就有6個庫房我們的書畫文獻其實有7個庫房沒錯吧如果所知道總共有13個庫房才配置22個人力其實真的一個庫房大概就是一個人多一點其實是其實是真的不夠的那這個部分其實我們\n因為庫房的管理人力的話其實跟我們研究人員的話是一個互補的就是說研究人員的話基本上來講的話就是書畫類的話就書文處的人他其實要兼顧相對等的一個責任所以因為這個部分的話很難去算說哪一個叫做庫房管理人員哪一個叫做什麼就是說總體來講的話比如說書文處的話我們大概有28個人力\n主席\n故宮還有很大的努力空間希望大家給支持\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:10.149 --> 00:15.351\n謝謝主席有請蕭院長好有請蕭院長郭委員謝謝這個禮拜的一個參訪是其實很開心喔就是禮拜一的時候我們有特別到故宮去做考察那雖然我沒有翠玉白菜但是我的作品在這裡裡面有那個三顆玻璃高麗菜\n\n00:43.564 --> 01:03.219\n主要是想要還是要再提及昨天的新聞上面我們看到了翠玉白菜的一個狀況那這個部分我想這個的確是有一些疏失那我自己本身對於自己的作品其實也很珍藏那麼在搬運的過程其實我也經常就是不想要\n\n01:04.740 --> 01:07.783\n委員長,你們有做什麼樣的一個懲處或者是說對民眾有什麼樣的一個交代必須要在這邊說明的嗎?\n\n01:24.656 --> 01:40.889\n關於那個南美館展覽這件事情當然就是因為總共將近13萬人然後展覽辦理得非常成功尤其那個同仁嗨婚的頭忘記了標準座位程序所以這個部分的話的確是一個缺失這對專業人員的專業\n\n01:45.453 --> 02:06.272\n本質的信念我覺得我們還要再加強那至於懲處的部分的話因為台南美術館他們才把那個整個結案報告送過來所以我們現在還沒有簽到我這邊所以我們會用賞華分明的方式就是說因為大家真的很辛苦然後該犯錯就犯錯我們會來做一個處理\n\n02:08.213 --> 02:34.637\n對,但這樣子的一個舉動的確是對民眾觀感來講其實是非常不好的話對故宮的形象是有非常非常大的一個傷害對好,那我想關於這個故宮的百年大展其實我們就是也特別強調在明年的2025年其實是一個雙重意義的一年就是從台北建造了這個台版的故宮到現在其實我們是一甲子那再加上明年的這個百年大展的部分\n\n02:35.077 --> 02:36.738\n其實故宮百年的活動是我上任以來我發現說其實過去沒有規劃所以我就開始著手規劃\n\n02:57.980 --> 03:17.378\n昨日規劃有些部分牽涉到經費的問題因為我們要跟國外借產牽涉到經費所以為什麼到目前為止都沒有宣布的原因就是因為我們的預算明年的預算今年才會提出我如果提早宣布的話那預算沒有辦法配合基本上來講的話也是一個大的麻煩\n\n03:18.779 --> 03:37.249\n所以這個部分的話我想百年大展的百年慶祝百年活動的規劃我們一起再進行從厭食的方面然後從展覽的方面從文創行銷的方面但是我剛也在這邊報告過了我們的行銷的經費少到可憐我覺得說\n\n03:38.490 --> 04:04.891\n故宮過去好像就我老品牌都不用做宣傳不用雜誌廣告什麼都不用然後自己大家都會來所以這個部分的話因為他牽涉到經會如果我們要編經會的話也要主計處同意然後大院這邊也要支持所以這個部分的話那可能請故宮這邊你們也提出你們需要的一些經費或者是一些計畫其實比較具體的部分其實可以我們經會都已經算好了只是只是等著要跟主計處協調\n\n04:06.578 --> 04:07.179\n國立故宮博物院院長蕭宗煌列席\n\n04:36.318 --> 04:56.260\n事實上在那個臺南的那個千載藍紅的展覽的對一個階段的那個那個數位作品的話其實他就是用AI他用AI去模擬那個幻谷的畫作賽上的畫作然後跟中國的書畫結合在一起所以我們已經開始應用\n\n04:57.461 --> 05:11.789\n是,其實連我們的這個數位的這個數位展然後曾經故宮的一個數位展其實也上次我特別去看了一下那我覺得展覽就是這樣就是即使我們有7萬件的文物在故宮典藏\n\n05:13.030 --> 05:13.750\n對跟我們報告一下\n\n05:41.297 --> 06:06.262\n故宮將近70萬件的物件的話基本上來講都已經完成數位典藏所以一般民眾的話都可以上網去查閱但是開放opendata的話是40萬件所以我們會繼續努力好那當然在這個地方我們有特別講到就是前一天我特別我們有去故宮特別做了一個考察跟參訪那當然關於所謂的這個古物文物的一個修復的一個現狀\n\n06:07.222 --> 06:23.245\n其實我個人看的是非常的感動啦因為其實我自己本身在做秀真藝術的其實我看了那麼多的不同的工具那麼多的細微的一個細部的部分其實匠人的精神就是在這個地方其實完全的展現這個地方一定要給故宮更多的一個支持跟鼓勵啦\n\n06:23.986 --> 06:46.957\n但是就是在原額的部分在剛剛其實有很多的委員我們也特別有提到那當然這個部分可能會跟原本在這個行政院的人事行政總處這個地方他們總原額限制的一個關係所以這個部分我們要怎麼樣來來擴展這樣子的一個人力因為我想當然不是70萬件都有問題都需要修補當然不是這樣\n\n06:48.017 --> 07:08.734\n必須是說我們可能在所謂的預防性的修復或者是在修復完之後的觀察維持這個其實也很重要但我相信其實16人雖然對我們的故宮來講這是滿邊的一個狀態但是其實他緣額還是不足的這個部分是不是故宮這邊有什麼樣的一個想法我們可以來做一個跟行政院這邊來做一個相對的\n\n07:12.337 --> 07:30.105\n第一階段我們接下來會盤整總人力然後去把那個空間騰出來如果可以優先進補那個文物修復人才的話那因為南印大培養很多學生基本上來講的話都進不到博物館故宮願意開放這樣的一個空間然後讓更多修復人才到故宮來\n\n07:31.605 --> 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