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00:01:41,992\n並致使美方開放臺灣的農產品來施美。（行政院政務委員鄧正宗也表示臺灣爭取奉禮芒果、肉鬆、香腸出口至美國其中奉禮芒果曾遭到中國拼命的禁銷盼美方能抵制中國大陸的經濟脅迫那這裡面我感覺都很奇怪\n\n6\n00:01:43,593 --> 00:01:58,198\n那你在這方面的了解多少?那洛松、香腸、鳳梨、芒果輸出到那邊台灣這個本來就應該要給我們過了,如果兩邊在談判的時候就沒有什麼一個很大的問題吧?\n\n7\n00:02:01,147 --> 00:02:22,352\n我先跟委員說明就是臺美貿易的一個協定的第二階段的一個談判的部分那基本上最主要的部分是針對相關的整個的一個國際規範跟它的一個相關的一個風險還有它的依據科學根據的一個檢疫條件那因為我先跟委員說明像芭樂我們蘇美花了10年\n\n8\n00:02:23,132 --> 00:02:44,970\n那這個10年過程中表示說兩個國家之間的這些檢疫的這些規範並沒有做一個很好的調和所以我們這一次談判的目的是希望針對檢疫方面的整個科學根據它的風險能夠有一個比較好的一個調和機制這樣對於我們未來農業部本身的農產品的輸美會有更快的一個幫助第二個部分要跟\n\n9\n00:02:45,290 --> 00:03:11,807\n委員說明的就是我們這次的談判並沒有針對個案去處理我想我們農業的部分針對糧食安全的怎麼樣合作針對環境怎麼樣去合作針對勞動部分怎麼樣去維護勞動的人權去共同我記得上次在經濟委員會臺灣說現在要精緻CPTPP就是要以進步國家這樣的條件精緻就是農業什麼半稅都全免了\n\n10\n00:03:12,347 --> 00:03:35,714\n那跟美國在談判也應該是這樣這樣對我們農業的衝擊有多大我想我們這一次的那個貿易協定的談判並沒有針對關稅的部分去處理我跟你講最重要就在關稅那大家彼此協定臺灣的農業水準也到了這個地方我們不能再讓步了這個談判這樣就很脆弱了我跟委員報告\n\n11\n00:03:37,836 --> 00:03:39,938\n我希望你能做到這一點因為以後是免關稅是世界級的競爭案\n\n12\n00:03:53,444 --> 00:04:04,208\n免關稅不是所有的東西都免關稅那相對的話會根據我們的產品的優勢去處理我想我們臺灣的農業其實臺灣的農業產品都可以銷到美國啦不要他的牛肉豬肉銷來我們臺灣我們不能銷過去啦這樣不合理的啦我想我們一定會\n\n13\n00:04:18,106 --> 00:04:20,508\n針對我們的農民的權益包括發展產品的競爭會做到的努力。\n\n14\n00:04:35,477 --> 00:04:58,519\n我跟委員報告,蜂農的部分我們現在基本上經過跟業者協調跟我們內部討論基本上如果說它的蜂蜜的蜜源受到某個程度的損失的時候我們就會把它納入我們的天然災害救助的相關的辦法這個我想已經確定了然後現在我們相關的草案已經擬定了有沒有\n\n15\n00:04:59,552 --> 00:04:59,572\n再來,\n\n16\n00:05:28,228 --> 00:05:38,061\n最近你在討論公糧收購的價格提高你是看你的講話的意思是不怎麼贊成提高啊\n\n17\n00:05:39,412 --> 00:06:07,054\n我跟委員說明齁其實包括希望公糧收購提高背後的目的都是希望我們農民的所得能夠確保跟甚至於提高嘛我想這個是大家一致性的但是在討論到針對農民所得的確保稻農所得的確保的時候他有很多種方式跟他的配套作為那公糧直接啟動公糧的價格提高只是一個方法之一那這個方法是不是唯一的\n\n18\n00:06:08,215 --> 00:06:21,931\n我們認為不是唯一的我們還有其他的方法可以去做相關的處理一個很簡單的道理你們的說法都互相矛盾不會你說你的道良是為了會影響到\n\n19\n00:06:22,932 --> 00:06:48,308\n那個糧食的安全你的報告又說臺灣的稻米生產過剩怎麼會影響到糧食的安全還有你的報告裡面如果供糧提高收購的價格農民又轉做來做稻糧但是我要提醒你一句話我們新任的農業部長農民的期望他不管怎麼樣\n\n20\n00:06:49,349 --> 00:07:11,541\n因為所謂的物價都在上漲你供糧收購沒有上漲包括你的那個雅恩愛啦各方面都在上已經都在上漲供糧收購你不上漲啊你變成啊我們農民的一個罪人你一定會受到評舉我希望這點好好的你要做一個影響\n\n21\n00:07:12,781 --> 00:07:35,543\n一個評估一個做一個好好的規劃我剛才說了工糧的收購提高只是方法之一那我們應該有更好的方法就是提高我們的稻農所得跟確保我們稻農所得是我們一次的目標我想我們一定會朝這樣的目標去做一個完整的規劃但是你趕快出來每次鄉下農民都問到說要吃什麼你給他們保證說\n\n22\n00:07:39,123 --> 00:07:41,584\n臺灣的糧食已經過剩了所謂影響到糧食的安全問題\n\n23\n00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:14,705\n整個的糧食安全本身他有適當的面積去處理。縱水道還有另外一個最重要的考量就是水資源...我們可以做完整的一個規劃再跟委員說明\n\n24\n00:08:25,063 --> 00:08:25,503\n好謝謝陳超明委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n369\t830\t請陳超明委員發言。\n20902\t33099\t委員長首先啦恭喜我們陳代理部長520你就遵辭了恭喜你好好為台灣的農業加油那今天我第一個要來請教\n34741\t53489\t我們的陳代理部長在這個臺美21世紀貿易倡議裡面上週在臺北已經完成最新會合的一個談判雙方已經就第二批協定的提案內容交換意見裡面有包括農業、勞動\n56242\t70854\t臺灣的領域阿蘇會談饒戶成效那我不曉得饒戶成效在哪裡那現在最重要是討論到農業的方面那臺灣忽略美國協志化解中國對臺灣經濟的脅迫\n74072\t101992\t並致使美方開放臺灣的農產品來施美。（行政院政務委員鄧正宗也表示臺灣爭取奉禮芒果、肉鬆、香腸出口至美國其中奉禮芒果曾遭到中國拼命的禁銷盼美方能抵制中國大陸的經濟脅迫那這裡面我感覺都很奇怪\n103593\t118198\t那你在這方面的了解多少?那洛松、香腸、鳳梨、芒果輸出到那邊台灣這個本來就應該要給我們過了,如果兩邊在談判的時候就沒有什麼一個很大的問題吧?\n121147\t142352\t我先跟委員說明就是臺美貿易的一個協定的第二階段的一個談判的部分那基本上最主要的部分是針對相關的整個的一個國際規範跟它的一個相關的一個風險還有它的依據科學根據的一個檢疫條件那因為我先跟委員說明像芭樂我們蘇美花了10年\n143132\t164970\t那這個10年過程中表示說兩個國家之間的這些檢疫的這些規範並沒有做一個很好的調和所以我們這一次談判的目的是希望針對檢疫方面的整個科學根據它的風險能夠有一個比較好的一個調和機制這樣對於我們未來農業部本身的農產品的輸美會有更快的一個幫助第二個部分要跟\n165290\t191807\t委員說明的就是我們這次的談判並沒有針對個案去處理我想我們農業的部分針對糧食安全的怎麼樣合作針對環境怎麼樣去合作針對勞動部分怎麼樣去維護勞動的人權去共同我記得上次在經濟委員會臺灣說現在要精緻CPTPP就是要以進步國家這樣的條件精緻就是農業什麼半稅都全免了\n192347\t215714\t那跟美國在談判也應該是這樣這樣對我們農業的衝擊有多大我想我們這一次的那個貿易協定的談判並沒有針對關稅的部分去處理我跟你講最重要就在關稅那大家彼此協定臺灣的農業水準也到了這個地方我們不能再讓步了這個談判這樣就很脆弱了我跟委員報告\n217836\t219938\t我希望你能做到這一點因為以後是免關稅是世界級的競爭案\n233444\t244208\t免關稅不是所有的東西都免關稅那相對的話會根據我們的產品的優勢去處理我想我們臺灣的農業其實臺灣的農業產品都可以銷到美國啦不要他的牛肉豬肉銷來我們臺灣我們不能銷過去啦這樣不合理的啦我想我們一定會\n258106\t260508\t針對我們的農民的權益包括發展產品的競爭會做到的努力。\n275477\t298519\t我跟委員報告,蜂農的部分我們現在基本上經過跟業者協調跟我們內部討論基本上如果說它的蜂蜜的蜜源受到某個程度的損失的時候我們就會把它納入我們的天然災害救助的相關的辦法這個我想已經確定了然後現在我們相關的草案已經擬定了有沒有\n299552\t299572\t再來,\n328228\t338061\t最近你在討論公糧收購的價格提高你是看你的講話的意思是不怎麼贊成提高啊\n339412\t367054\t我跟委員說明齁其實包括希望公糧收購提高背後的目的都是希望我們農民的所得能夠確保跟甚至於提高嘛我想這個是大家一致性的但是在討論到針對農民所得的確保稻農所得的確保的時候他有很多種方式跟他的配套作為那公糧直接啟動公糧的價格提高只是一個方法之一那這個方法是不是唯一的\n368215\t381931\t我們認為不是唯一的我們還有其他的方法可以去做相關的處理一個很簡單的道理你們的說法都互相矛盾不會你說你的道良是為了會影響到\n382932\t408308\t那個糧食的安全你的報告又說臺灣的稻米生產過剩怎麼會影響到糧食的安全還有你的報告裡面如果供糧提高收購的價格農民又轉做來做稻糧但是我要提醒你一句話我們新任的農業部長農民的期望他不管怎麼樣\n409349\t431541\t因為所謂的物價都在上漲你供糧收購沒有上漲包括你的那個雅恩愛啦各方面都在上已經都在上漲供糧收購你不上漲啊你變成啊我們農民的一個罪人你一定會受到評舉我希望這點好好的你要做一個影響\n432781\t455543\t一個評估一個做一個好好的規劃我剛才說了工糧的收購提高只是方法之一那我們應該有更好的方法就是提高我們的稻農所得跟確保我們稻農所得是我們一次的目標我想我們一定會朝這樣的目標去做一個完整的規劃但是你趕快出來每次鄉下農民都問到說要吃什麼你給他們保證說\n459123\t461584\t臺灣的糧食已經過剩了所謂影響到糧食的安全問題\n483800\t494705\t整個的糧食安全本身他有適當的面積去處理。縱水道還有另外一個最重要的考量就是水資源...我們可以做完整的一個規劃再跟委員說明\n505063\t505503\t好謝謝陳超明委員\n","txt":"請陳超明委員發言。\n委員長首先啦恭喜我們陳代理部長520你就遵辭了恭喜你好好為台灣的農業加油那今天我第一個要來請教\n我們的陳代理部長在這個臺美21世紀貿易倡議裡面上週在臺北已經完成最新會合的一個談判雙方已經就第二批協定的提案內容交換意見裡面有包括農業、勞動\n臺灣的領域阿蘇會談饒戶成效那我不曉得饒戶成效在哪裡那現在最重要是討論到農業的方面那臺灣忽略美國協志化解中國對臺灣經濟的脅迫\n並致使美方開放臺灣的農產品來施美。（行政院政務委員鄧正宗也表示臺灣爭取奉禮芒果、肉鬆、香腸出口至美國其中奉禮芒果曾遭到中國拼命的禁銷盼美方能抵制中國大陸的經濟脅迫那這裡面我感覺都很奇怪\n那你在這方面的了解多少?那洛松、香腸、鳳梨、芒果輸出到那邊台灣這個本來就應該要給我們過了,如果兩邊在談判的時候就沒有什麼一個很大的問題吧?\n我先跟委員說明就是臺美貿易的一個協定的第二階段的一個談判的部分那基本上最主要的部分是針對相關的整個的一個國際規範跟它的一個相關的一個風險還有它的依據科學根據的一個檢疫條件那因為我先跟委員說明像芭樂我們蘇美花了10年\n那這個10年過程中表示說兩個國家之間的這些檢疫的這些規範並沒有做一個很好的調和所以我們這一次談判的目的是希望針對檢疫方面的整個科學根據它的風險能夠有一個比較好的一個調和機制這樣對於我們未來農業部本身的農產品的輸美會有更快的一個幫助第二個部分要跟\n委員說明的就是我們這次的談判並沒有針對個案去處理我想我們農業的部分針對糧食安全的怎麼樣合作針對環境怎麼樣去合作針對勞動部分怎麼樣去維護勞動的人權去共同我記得上次在經濟委員會臺灣說現在要精緻CPTPP就是要以進步國家這樣的條件精緻就是農業什麼半稅都全免了\n那跟美國在談判也應該是這樣這樣對我們農業的衝擊有多大我想我們這一次的那個貿易協定的談判並沒有針對關稅的部分去處理我跟你講最重要就在關稅那大家彼此協定臺灣的農業水準也到了這個地方我們不能再讓步了這個談判這樣就很脆弱了我跟委員報告\n我希望你能做到這一點因為以後是免關稅是世界級的競爭案\n免關稅不是所有的東西都免關稅那相對的話會根據我們的產品的優勢去處理我想我們臺灣的農業其實臺灣的農業產品都可以銷到美國啦不要他的牛肉豬肉銷來我們臺灣我們不能銷過去啦這樣不合理的啦我想我們一定會\n針對我們的農民的權益包括發展產品的競爭會做到的努力。\n我跟委員報告,蜂農的部分我們現在基本上經過跟業者協調跟我們內部討論基本上如果說它的蜂蜜的蜜源受到某個程度的損失的時候我們就會把它納入我們的天然災害救助的相關的辦法這個我想已經確定了然後現在我們相關的草案已經擬定了有沒有\n再來,\n最近你在討論公糧收購的價格提高你是看你的講話的意思是不怎麼贊成提高啊\n我跟委員說明齁其實包括希望公糧收購提高背後的目的都是希望我們農民的所得能夠確保跟甚至於提高嘛我想這個是大家一致性的但是在討論到針對農民所得的確保稻農所得的確保的時候他有很多種方式跟他的配套作為那公糧直接啟動公糧的價格提高只是一個方法之一那這個方法是不是唯一的\n我們認為不是唯一的我們還有其他的方法可以去做相關的處理一個很簡單的道理你們的說法都互相矛盾不會你說你的道良是為了會影響到\n那個糧食的安全你的報告又說臺灣的稻米生產過剩怎麼會影響到糧食的安全還有你的報告裡面如果供糧提高收購的價格農民又轉做來做稻糧但是我要提醒你一句話我們新任的農業部長農民的期望他不管怎麼樣\n因為所謂的物價都在上漲你供糧收購沒有上漲包括你的那個雅恩愛啦各方面都在上已經都在上漲供糧收購你不上漲啊你變成啊我們農民的一個罪人你一定會受到評舉我希望這點好好的你要做一個影響\n一個評估一個做一個好好的規劃我剛才說了工糧的收購提高只是方法之一那我們應該有更好的方法就是提高我們的稻農所得跟確保我們稻農所得是我們一次的目標我想我們一定會朝這樣的目標去做一個完整的規劃但是你趕快出來每次鄉下農民都問到說要吃什麼你給他們保證說\n臺灣的糧食已經過剩了所謂影響到糧食的安全問題\n整個的糧食安全本身他有適當的面積去處理。縱水道還有另外一個最重要的考量就是水資源...我們可以做完整的一個規劃再跟委員說明\n好謝謝陳超明委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.369 --> 00:00.830\n請陳超明委員發言。\n\n00:20.902 --> 00:33.099\n委員長首先啦恭喜我們陳代理部長520你就遵辭了恭喜你好好為台灣的農業加油那今天我第一個要來請教\n\n00:34.741 --> 00:53.489\n我們的陳代理部長在這個臺美21世紀貿易倡議裡面上週在臺北已經完成最新會合的一個談判雙方已經就第二批協定的提案內容交換意見裡面有包括農業、勞動\n\n00:56.242 --> 01:10.854\n臺灣的領域阿蘇會談饒戶成效那我不曉得饒戶成效在哪裡那現在最重要是討論到農業的方面那臺灣忽略美國協志化解中國對臺灣經濟的脅迫\n\n01:14.072 --> 01:41.992\n並致使美方開放臺灣的農產品來施美。（行政院政務委員鄧正宗也表示臺灣爭取奉禮芒果、肉鬆、香腸出口至美國其中奉禮芒果曾遭到中國拼命的禁銷盼美方能抵制中國大陸的經濟脅迫那這裡面我感覺都很奇怪\n\n01:43.593 --> 01:58.198\n那你在這方面的了解多少?那洛松、香腸、鳳梨、芒果輸出到那邊台灣這個本來就應該要給我們過了,如果兩邊在談判的時候就沒有什麼一個很大的問題吧?\n\n02:01.147 --> 02:22.352\n我先跟委員說明就是臺美貿易的一個協定的第二階段的一個談判的部分那基本上最主要的部分是針對相關的整個的一個國際規範跟它的一個相關的一個風險還有它的依據科學根據的一個檢疫條件那因為我先跟委員說明像芭樂我們蘇美花了10年\n\n02:23.132 --> 02:44.970\n那這個10年過程中表示說兩個國家之間的這些檢疫的這些規範並沒有做一個很好的調和所以我們這一次談判的目的是希望針對檢疫方面的整個科學根據它的風險能夠有一個比較好的一個調和機制這樣對於我們未來農業部本身的農產品的輸美會有更快的一個幫助第二個部分要跟\n\n02:45.290 --> 03:11.807\n委員說明的就是我們這次的談判並沒有針對個案去處理我想我們農業的部分針對糧食安全的怎麼樣合作針對環境怎麼樣去合作針對勞動部分怎麼樣去維護勞動的人權去共同我記得上次在經濟委員會臺灣說現在要精緻CPTPP就是要以進步國家這樣的條件精緻就是農業什麼半稅都全免了\n\n03:12.347 --> 03:35.714\n那跟美國在談判也應該是這樣這樣對我們農業的衝擊有多大我想我們這一次的那個貿易協定的談判並沒有針對關稅的部分去處理我跟你講最重要就在關稅那大家彼此協定臺灣的農業水準也到了這個地方我們不能再讓步了這個談判這樣就很脆弱了我跟委員報告\n\n03:37.836 --> 03:39.938\n我希望你能做到這一點因為以後是免關稅是世界級的競爭案\n\n03:53.444 --> 04:04.208\n免關稅不是所有的東西都免關稅那相對的話會根據我們的產品的優勢去處理我想我們臺灣的農業其實臺灣的農業產品都可以銷到美國啦不要他的牛肉豬肉銷來我們臺灣我們不能銷過去啦這樣不合理的啦我想我們一定會\n\n04:18.106 --> 04:20.508\n針對我們的農民的權益包括發展產品的競爭會做到的努力。\n\n04:35.477 --> 04:58.519\n我跟委員報告,蜂農的部分我們現在基本上經過跟業者協調跟我們內部討論基本上如果說它的蜂蜜的蜜源受到某個程度的損失的時候我們就會把它納入我們的天然災害救助的相關的辦法這個我想已經確定了然後現在我們相關的草案已經擬定了有沒有\n\n04:59.552 --> 04:59.572\n再來,\n\n05:28.228 --> 05:38.061\n最近你在討論公糧收購的價格提高你是看你的講話的意思是不怎麼贊成提高啊\n\n05:39.412 --> 06:07.054\n我跟委員說明齁其實包括希望公糧收購提高背後的目的都是希望我們農民的所得能夠確保跟甚至於提高嘛我想這個是大家一致性的但是在討論到針對農民所得的確保稻農所得的確保的時候他有很多種方式跟他的配套作為那公糧直接啟動公糧的價格提高只是一個方法之一那這個方法是不是唯一的\n\n06:08.215 --> 06:21.931\n我們認為不是唯一的我們還有其他的方法可以去做相關的處理一個很簡單的道理你們的說法都互相矛盾不會你說你的道良是為了會影響到\n\n06:22.932 --> 06:48.308\n那個糧食的安全你的報告又說臺灣的稻米生產過剩怎麼會影響到糧食的安全還有你的報告裡面如果供糧提高收購的價格農民又轉做來做稻糧但是我要提醒你一句話我們新任的農業部長農民的期望他不管怎麼樣\n\n06:49.349 --> 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