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00:01:16,008\n主管預算凍結案等11年度中央政府總預算凍結案等11年度中央政府總預算\n\n5\n00:01:24,406 --> 00:01:52,159\n社會教育是不是也是國防部其實該去執行該去接觸的業務是不是報告委員這個社會教育本來就是我們要但過去並沒有在這個國防法裡面我們國防部有含在社會教育那我想這個是非常重要的社會教育難道國防部不用去做嗎社會教育不是國防部對去處理全民國防教育的責任嗎是或不是是那教育部訂了相關的執法國防部有沒有訂\n\n6\n00:01:53,767 --> 00:01:54,895\n來我請我們政戰局局長來回答\n\n7\n00:01:56,385 --> 00:02:22,223\n委員好跟委員報告在社會教育的部分我們沒有訂相關的執法但是我們辦理各項的以活動為主還有設置相關的節目比如說全民新世界這個節目年收視率有800多萬人次那個局長我是講剛剛教育部有訂了以後他們這幾年一直到現在他們的失職有到多少人目前總數知不知道總共有2100人是好請問\n\n8\n00:02:26,365 --> 00:02:36,070\n國防部在社會教育上面的師資目前多少人知不知道社會教育在講座的部分目前是44位的師資44位的師資你覺得夠不夠\n\n9\n00:02:40,549 --> 00:03:08,108\n以目前來講我們是可以滿足需求滿足需求是因為我們都是由各公務機關或民間機構來提需你們只有44個而且我跟大家說國防部的44個都是要求助理教授以上博士學歷戰略學資的這些上校或現職人員其實這些都是在軍中相對於是精英的隊伍\n\n10\n00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:18,352\n你覺得他有多少時間有辦法來做這些社會教育的課程他平常執他的勤務執行他的業務\n\n11\n00:03:19,912 --> 00:03:45,290\n他有多少時間可以來做這些社會教育的工作?因為各單位提需目前我們都可以滿足那如果未來各縣市政府或者民營機構他們有需求在師資培育這方面我們可以增開班次部長跟副部長我要跟大家說其實現在我們在國防部這邊在處理的全民國防教育裡面我們看到的事情是需求跟供給\n\n12\n00:03:47,421 --> 00:04:13,173\n斷鏈其實社會上面現在有越來越多的民防的團隊他需要相關的教育其實有非常非常多的熱忱他們需要很多這樣子的培訓但他們不會找國防部為什麼你們是不是太少了要要下到這邊去做這些請你們講做教育很困難啊所以你把你的供給做得很少你就說沒有需求這會不會有點道果為因\n\n13\n00:04:15,519 --> 00:04:38,099\n確認現在我們的民防團隊都沒有要來跟國防部來申請師資去培訓的需求嗎?確定嗎?我的理解不是這樣喔!是,跟委員報告一下,義政司那邊也有跟我們有接觸那我們也有提到就是說,如果有全民國防教育講座的師資需求,我們全力來協助,包含培訓都可以\n\n14\n00:04:38,439 --> 00:05:00,993\n所以我等一下跟你說的事情是恐怕是因為你的供給太少了所以需要的人他就不會找國防部嘛他自己去找他民間的師資嘛甚至這些民間師資現在遇到問題有沒有國防部來做相關的認證符不符合資格我覺得現在看起來國防部並沒有積極的作為啊就我的理解這些民間的師資也都沒有辦法得到國防部的認證啊\n\n15\n00:05:03,032 --> 00:05:21,163\n報告委員我想我們政案局在過去來講社會教育它因為在執法上並沒有明確規定所以它委員講得沒有錯它兼職的它現在任務也很繁重所以44個44夠不夠它的任務平常就繁重而且它是在部隊裡的精英的階層它怎麼去做這些事情\n\n16\n00:05:22,023 --> 00:05:42,521\n所以我要說的事情是為什麼我們不能比照教育部該有相關的執法該有相關的規定把我的目標把我的需求把我的人的來源跟經費其實全部都可以在這裡面給明定清楚的為什麼不能比照可以可以我們現在委員在提醒事實上來講社會教育是非常重要的是\n\n17\n00:05:42,861 --> 00:05:59,060\n那未來如何和教育部這樣取得一個平衡我想我們國防部會努力教育部當然他處於的是在學校教育的部分他不會處於到社會教育這樣子的模式我們看我們國軍如何在未來來擴大實質的範圍尤其是我們現在在討論全民國防其實這是現在很重要的概念\n\n18\n00:05:59,781 --> 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