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人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第六條條文修正草案」\n案；六、審查委員羅美玲等18人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第六\n條條文修正草案」案；七、審查委員呂玉玲等19人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補\n助費補助條例第六條條文修正草案」案；八、審查委員吳思瑤等17人擬具「地方民意代表費用支\n給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第六條條文修正草案」案；九、審查委員陳超明等18人擬具「地\n方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例增訂第七條之一條文草案」案；十、審查委員\n李柏毅等17人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第六條條文修正草案」\n案；十一、審查委員黃健豪等17人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例增\n訂第七條之一條文草案」案；十二、審查委員徐巧芯等28人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里\n長事務補助費補助條例第六條條文修正草案」案；十三、審查委員莊瑞雄等18人擬具「地方民意\n代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第六條條文修正草案」案；十四、審查委員高金素梅\n等29人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第七條條文修正草案」案；十\n五、審查委員林思銘等26人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第六條條\n文修正草案」案；十六、審查委員王美惠等17人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助\n費補助條例第六條條文修正草案」案；十七、審查委員盧縣一等19人擬具「地方民意代表費用支\n給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第六條、第七條及第九條條文修正草案」案；十八、審查委員蔡\n易餘等 19 人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第六條條文修正草案」\n案；十九、審查委員范雲等17人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第六\n條條文修正草案」案；二十、審查委員許宇甄等16人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務\n補助費補助條例第七條條文修正草案」案；二十一、審查委員黃秀芳等19人擬具「地方民意代表\n費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第六條條文修正草案」案；二十二、審查委員鍾佳濱等27\n人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第六條條文修正草案」案；二十\n三、審查委員陳瑩等17人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第五條、第\n六條及第七條條文修正草案」案；二十四、審查委員伍麗華 Saidhai Tahovecahe 等 17 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00:00:31,606\n好謝謝主席在我開始質詢之前我覺得還是不吐不快啦那主席我其實非常的感謝今天主席排了這個全國都關注的議題因為不管是地方民意代表或者是村里長大家都紛紛的表示時至今日這個村里長的費用然後這個事務補助費以及我們地方民代的助理費用都應該要被討論了\n\n2\n00:00:33,507 --> 00:00:39,711\n那今天呢也是破紀錄啦我從來進到立法院從來沒有看過齁光是提案說明已經提案說明了一個小時有這麼多個版本不分草野大家都提案結果呢上個禮拜五發生什麼事明明吳祁鳴召委就已經把案子都已經排好了表示這個禮拜今天要審了但上個禮拜五\n\n3\n00:00:57,061 --> 00:01:00,685\n國民黨的副坤祺召委跟民眾黨黃國昌召委卻特別把幾案抽出來說他們禁負惡毒戳破民進黨的假面具我覺得很奇怪請問是要戳破什麼假面具啊那今天這麼多的國民黨委員甚至民眾黨的委員\n\n4\n00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:25,465\n也在這裡提出自己的版本所以他們的版本是比較寫得不夠好不夠清楚嗎所以沒有被傅坤祺總召黃國昌選中嗎不然的話為什麼只有那幾個版本去那我又看了所以難道是國民黨選進去禁覆二讀的版本代表著國民黨全體的意見嗎民眾黨選進去的代表民眾黨的意見嗎那如果是的話\n\n5\n00:01:42,172 --> 00:02:03,355\n顯然民眾黨不支持村里長事務費調高喔因為民眾黨的版本沒有寫到村里長喔那所以國民黨不支持原住民地區的村里長事務費可以加擠喔他不支持像高金委員這樣的提案啊說這個原住民地區事務繁忙可以加擠喔因為國民黨的禁服惡毒的版本沒有原住民喔\n\n6\n00:02:05,361 --> 00:02:20,429\n齁,所以呢,那我們今天討論完的版本,如果我們今天因為草野有高度的共識希望今天要能夠審理,如果我們今天能夠出去的版本,那這個版本共識版出去以後,那上一次他們在禮拜五禁覆二讀的版本算不算數?這整個都亂得透了嘛!\n\n7\n00:02:23,331 --> 00:02:45,477\n所以這根本才是真正的齊心可異在民進黨的召委已經排好法案要審查的時候特別抽出幾個版本說所謂的進夫惡毒既不尊重立法院的委員會中心主義而且也把自己同黨委員的提案棄如必喜我覺得這真的是需要對譴責啦不然以後立法院不用討論了嘛\n\n8\n00:02:46,457 --> 00:02:47,338\n那我們巧慧委員要求列入會議紀錄報告到紀錄\n\n9\n00:03:15,497 --> 00:03:32,557\n市長,您也是擔任過地方首長這個非常多的公職相信您非常理解我們的村里長其實是在協助這個市政的相關議題上面非常重要的幫手對吧對\n\n10\n00:03:33,878 --> 00:03:59,336\n所以部長您也非常努力的沒有懈怠的提出了院板但是很可惜因為吳啟明教委太努力了這麼提早排所以院板也好還有我自己的版本也好今天都還沒有辦法到院會不過部長您剛剛報告的院板院板應該就是行政院的態度而且已經送出來了對嗎是沒有錯在上個禮拜行政院會已經通過並且已經送過來立法院\n\n11\n00:03:59,936 --> 00:04:15,575\n所以我想我們今天還是可以把院板的這個意見即便他沒有辦法進到委員會來一起併案但我們還是可以按照院板的基礎也一起來討論那這個里長的部分說起來我這幾年真的是很替他們辛苦\n\n12\n00:04:16,596 --> 00:04:17,456\n所以部長你覺得我們今天的事務費5萬元這個基礎\n\n13\n00:04:41,767 --> 00:04:58,574\n是足夠了嗎?那為什麼我們這個沒有動但是我們加了春節慰問金?不然可以再說明清楚一點院方的想法嗎?我們在這一次的這個支給條例的一個修正我跟大家報告其實這個不是現在才開始討論\n\n14\n00:04:59,774 --> 00:05:24,335\n其實行政院在109年的時候曾經5月27日曾經也抱怨討論過這個事情不過因為還有相關的這些議題需要進一步凝聚共識所以那個時候並沒有正式提出來那我上任之後其實在112年的3月份的時候我們其實在內政部內部就已經啟動相關的一個方案的研議\n\n15\n00:05:25,255 --> 00:05:39,951\n最重要的就是剛剛委員特別提到的我們這一次在處理一些薪資那個事務補助費的部分他是屬於工作事務費的一個薪資里長是沒有薪水的對他是沒有薪水的\n\n16\n00:05:40,231 --> 00:05:40,331\n是的。\n\n17\n00:06:01,587 --> 00:06:25,925\n其實部長你這樣的態度其實也很清楚就是我們應該要給他更多的協助資源的協助讓他把事情做好那這個部分我有贊同不過我也另外贊成因為我偏查所有的狀況不管是公教人員也好其他的也好其實確實大部分的公立人員等等公教人員他的這個薪資也好或其他費用也好是確實會隨著物價來做波動\n\n18\n00:06:28,487 --> 00:06:57,015\n所以我其實也是支持如果是村里長的事務補助費可以隨著物價調升我認為這是可以支持的部分那我們等一下在逐條的時候是不是就這部分可以請院內政部這邊再提出多一點您的看法各位報告我想這部分是可以來討論不過你也了解其實在地方村里的問題在這樣他村里有大有小是啦所以這個五萬塊說實在是對的大的理真的是不夠用\n\n19\n00:06:57,455 --> 00:07:17,133\n所以這部分的確是值得來進一步討論所以我等一下我是希望能夠有閒熟地方事務的內政部的長官們等一下真的是我們就實際的狀況更多討論好那因為今天大家很多委員要問我不再用時間但我表示一件事情本席也是非常支持地方民代的議員\n\n20\n00:07:18,154 --> 00:07:18,254\n是贊成\n\n21\n00:07:48,124 --> 00:07:48,144\n好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n4517\t31606\t好 謝謝主席在我開始質詢之前我覺得還是不吐不快啦那主席我其實非常的感謝今天主席排了這個全國都關注的議題因為不管是地方民意代表或者是村里長大家都紛紛的表示時至今日這個村里長的費用然後這個事務補助費以及我們地方民代的助理費用都應該要被討論了\n33507\t39711\t那今天呢也是破紀錄啦我從來進到立法院從來沒有看過齁光是提案說明已經提案說明了一個小時有這麼多個版本不分草野大家都提案結果呢上個禮拜五發生什麼事明明吳祁鳴召委就已經把案子都已經排好了表示這個禮拜今天要審了但上個禮拜五\n57061\t60685\t國民黨的副坤祺召委跟民眾黨黃國昌召委卻特別把幾案抽出來說他們禁負惡毒 戳破民進黨的假面具我覺得很奇怪請問是要戳破什麼假面具啊那今天這麼多的國民黨委員甚至民眾黨的委員\n74560\t85465\t也在這裡提出自己的版本所以他們的版本是比較寫得不夠好不夠清楚嗎所以沒有被傅坤祺總召黃國昌選中嗎不然的話為什麼只有那幾個版本去那我又看了所以難道是國民黨選進去禁覆二讀的版本代表著國民黨全體的意見嗎民眾黨選進去的代表民眾黨的意見嗎那如果是的話\n102172\t123355\t顯然民眾黨不支持村里長事務費調高喔因為民眾黨的版本沒有寫到村里長喔那所以國民黨不支持原住民地區的村里長事務費可以加擠喔他不支持像高金委員這樣的提案啊說這個原住民地區事務繁忙可以加擠喔因為國民黨的禁服惡毒的版本沒有原住民喔\n125361\t140429\t齁,所以呢,那我們今天討論完的版本,如果我們今天因為草野有高度的共識希望今天要能夠審理,如果我們今天能夠出去的版本,那這個版本共識版出去以後,那上一次他們在禮拜五禁覆二讀的版本算不算數?這整個都亂得透了嘛!\n143331\t165477\t所以這根本才是真正的齊心可異在民進黨的召委已經排好法案要審查的時候特別抽出幾個版本說所謂的進夫惡毒既不尊重立法院的委員會中心主義而且也把自己同黨委員的提案棄如必喜我覺得這真的是需要對譴責啦不然以後立法院不用討論了嘛\n166457\t167338\t那我們巧慧委員要求列入會議紀錄 報告到紀錄\n195497\t212557\t市長,您也是擔任過地方首長這個非常多的公職相信您非常理解我們的村里長其實是在協助這個市政的相關議題上面非常重要的幫手對吧對\n213878\t239336\t所以部長您也非常努力的沒有懈怠的提出了院板但是很可惜因為吳啟明教委太努力了這麼提早排所以院板也好還有我自己的版本也好今天都還沒有辦法到院會不過部長您剛剛報告的院板院板應該就是行政院的態度而且已經送出來了對嗎是沒有錯在上個禮拜行政院會已經通過並且已經送過來立法院\n239936\t255575\t所以我想我們今天還是可以把院板的這個意見即便他沒有辦法進到委員會來一起併案但我們還是可以按照院板的基礎也一起來討論那這個里長的部分說起來我這幾年真的是很替他們辛苦\n256596\t257456\t所以部長你覺得我們今天的事務費5萬元這個基礎\n281767\t298574\t是足夠了嗎?那為什麼我們這個沒有動但是我們加了春節慰問金?不然可以再說明清楚一點院方的想法嗎?我們在這一次的這個支給條例的一個修正我跟大家報告其實這個不是現在才開始討論\n299774\t324335\t其實行政院在109年的時候曾經5月27日曾經也抱怨討論過這個事情不過因為還有相關的這些議題需要進一步凝聚共識所以那個時候並沒有正式提出來那我上任之後其實在112年的3月份的時候我們其實在內政部內部就已經啟動相關的一個方案的研議\n325255\t339951\t最重要的就是剛剛委員特別提到的我們這一次在處理一些薪資那個事務補助費的部分他是屬於工作事務費的一個薪資里長是沒有薪水的對他是沒有薪水的\n340231\t340331\t是的。\n361587\t385925\t其實部長你這樣的態度其實也很清楚就是我們應該要給他更多的協助資源的協助讓他把事情做好那這個部分我有贊同不過我也另外贊成因為我偏查所有的狀況不管是公教人員也好其他的也好其實確實大部分的公立人員等等公教人員他的這個薪資也好或其他費用也好是確實會隨著物價來做波動\n388487\t417015\t所以我其實也是支持如果是村里長的事務補助費可以隨著物價調升我認為這是可以支持的部分那我們等一下在逐條的時候是不是就這部分可以請院內政部這邊再提出多一點您的看法各位報告我想這部分是可以來討論不過你也了解其實在地方村里的問題在這樣他村里有大有小是啦所以這個五萬塊說實在是對的大的理真的是不夠用\n417455\t437133\t所以這部分的確是值得來進一步討論所以我等一下我是希望能夠有閒熟地方事務的內政部的長官們等一下真的是我們就實際的狀況更多討論好那因為今天大家很多委員要問我不再用時間但我表示一件事情本席也是非常支持地方民代的議員\n438154\t438254\t是 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報告到紀錄\n市長,您也是擔任過地方首長這個非常多的公職相信您非常理解我們的村里長其實是在協助這個市政的相關議題上面非常重要的幫手對吧對\n所以部長您也非常努力的沒有懈怠的提出了院板但是很可惜因為吳啟明教委太努力了這麼提早排所以院板也好還有我自己的版本也好今天都還沒有辦法到院會不過部長您剛剛報告的院板院板應該就是行政院的態度而且已經送出來了對嗎是沒有錯在上個禮拜行政院會已經通過並且已經送過來立法院\n所以我想我們今天還是可以把院板的這個意見即便他沒有辦法進到委員會來一起併案但我們還是可以按照院板的基礎也一起來討論那這個里長的部分說起來我這幾年真的是很替他們辛苦\n所以部長你覺得我們今天的事務費5萬元這個基礎\n是足夠了嗎?那為什麼我們這個沒有動但是我們加了春節慰問金?不然可以再說明清楚一點院方的想法嗎?我們在這一次的這個支給條例的一個修正我跟大家報告其實這個不是現在才開始討論\n其實行政院在109年的時候曾經5月27日曾經也抱怨討論過這個事情不過因為還有相關的這些議題需要進一步凝聚共識所以那個時候並沒有正式提出來那我上任之後其實在112年的3月份的時候我們其實在內政部內部就已經啟動相關的一個方案的研議\n最重要的就是剛剛委員特別提到的我們這一次在處理一些薪資那個事務補助費的部分他是屬於工作事務費的一個薪資里長是沒有薪水的對他是沒有薪水的\n是的。\n其實部長你這樣的態度其實也很清楚就是我們應該要給他更多的協助資源的協助讓他把事情做好那這個部分我有贊同不過我也另外贊成因為我偏查所有的狀況不管是公教人員也好其他的也好其實確實大部分的公立人員等等公教人員他的這個薪資也好或其他費用也好是確實會隨著物價來做波動\n所以我其實也是支持如果是村里長的事務補助費可以隨著物價調升我認為這是可以支持的部分那我們等一下在逐條的時候是不是就這部分可以請院內政部這邊再提出多一點您的看法各位報告我想這部分是可以來討論不過你也了解其實在地方村里的問題在這樣他村里有大有小是啦所以這個五萬塊說實在是對的大的理真的是不夠用\n所以這部分的確是值得來進一步討論所以我等一下我是希望能夠有閒熟地方事務的內政部的長官們等一下真的是我們就實際的狀況更多討論好那因為今天大家很多委員要問我不再用時間但我表示一件事情本席也是非常支持地方民代的議員\n是 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