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Kacaw","黃國昌","洪孟楷","鍾佳濱","羅智強","黃珊珊","邱鎮軍","邱志偉","張嘉郡","黃仁","范雲","吳思瑤"],"page_start":69,"meetingDate":["2024-05-08"],"gazette_id":"1134201","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1134201_00003"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第1會期內政委員會第17次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、審查委員楊瓊瓔等20人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第六條條\n文修正草案」案；二、審查委員黃捷等22人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補\n助條例第六條條文修正草案」案；三、審查委員吳沛憶等20人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村\n里長事務補助費補助條例第六條條文修正草案」案；四、審查委員鄭天財 Sra Kacaw 等19人擬具\n「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例部分條文修正草案」案；五、審查委員羅\n智強等 25 人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第六條條文修正草案」\n案；六、審查委員羅美玲等18人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第六\n條條文修正草案」案；七、審查委員呂玉玲等19人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補\n助費補助條例第六條條文修正草案」案；八、審查委員吳思瑤等17人擬具「地方民意代表費用支\n給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第六條條文修正草案」案；九、審查委員陳超明等18人擬具「地\n方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例增訂第七條之一條文草案」案；十、審查委員\n李柏毅等17人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第六條條文修正草案」\n案；十一、審查委員黃健豪等17人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例增\n訂第七條之一條文草案」案；十二、審查委員徐巧芯等28人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里\n長事務補助費補助條例第六條條文修正草案」案；十三、審查委員莊瑞雄等18人擬具「地方民意\n代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第六條條文修正草案」案；十四、審查委員高金素梅\n等29人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第七條條文修正草案」案；十\n五、審查委員林思銘等26人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第六條條\n文修正草案」案；十六、審查委員王美惠等17人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助\n費補助條例第六條條文修正草案」案；十七、審查委員盧縣一等19人擬具「地方民意代表費用支\n給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第六條、第七條及第九條條文修正草案」案；十八、審查委員蔡\n易餘等 19 人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第六條條文修正草案」\n案；十九、審查委員范雲等17人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第六\n條條文修正草案」案；二十、審查委員許宇甄等16人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務\n補助費補助條例第七條條文修正草案」案；二十一、審查委員黃秀芳等19人擬具「地方民意代表\n費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第六條條文修正草案」案；二十二、審查委員鍾佳濱等27\n人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第六條條文修正草案」案；二十\n三、審查委員陳瑩等17人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第五條、第\n六條及第七條條文修正草案」案；二十四、審查委員伍麗華 Saidhai Tahovecahe 等 17 人擬具\n「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第六條條文修正草案」案；二十五、審查\n委員陳素月等21人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第六條條文修正草\n案」案；二十六、審查委員徐欣瑩等19人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助\n條例第三條及第六條條文修正草案」案；二十七、審查委員洪申翰等16人擬具「地方民意代表費\n用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第六條條文修正草案」案；二十八、審查委員李彥秀等20人\n擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第六條條文修正草案」案；二十九、\n審查委員吳琪銘等18人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第七條條文修\n正草案」案；三十、審查委員黃建賓等17人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補\n助條例第六條及第七條條文修正草案」案；三十一、審查委員劉建國等16人擬具「地方民意代表\n費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第六條條文修正草案」案；三十二、審查委員高金素梅等\n22人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第八條條文修正草案」案；三十\n三、審查委員鄭正鈐等18人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第六條條\n文修正草案」案；三十四、審查委員陳素月等22人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補\n助費補助條例第五條附表修正草案」案；三十五、審查委員陳培瑜等21人擬具「地方民意代表費\n用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第六條條文修正草案」案；三十六、審查委員王美惠等21人\n擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第七條條文修正草案」案；三十七、\n審查委員王育敏等16人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第六條條文修\n正草案」案","agenda_id":"1134201_00002"}},"transcript":{"id":"152309","pyannote":{"name":"ronny","tool":"pyannote","data":{"url":"https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/152309","tool":"pyannote","id":"152309-pyannote"},"job_id":"bDx2AJWuFTz51k98","queued_at":"2024-05-31 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00:01:36,157\n委員好、召委好、補助好。那針對委員剛剛的提問,那我們這一、今年那個112年度那個備薪式防災,那是在公開招標還有最低標的方式辦。那當時有兩家廠商投標,那分別是公園公司還有萬寶城公司來投標。\n\n5\n00:01:37,577 --> 00:01:53,926\n在當時審標的時候他資格都是符合的我們當時照標規定是要兩家廠商投標的時候要請廠商提供量衣那都經過我們一個送交要到國內外檢測機構\n\n6\n00:01:55,847 --> 00:01:58,769\n我現在問的是說我們是不是說招標的問題現在就是說我們的驗收如何驗收有這個傻吃的這個我們防彈衣如何調查的結果是什麼\n\n7\n00:02:11,778 --> 00:02:14,340\n如果你說那個招標的廠商的話所以請問一下現在你們的進度或者是說我們要怎麼樣去抽換啊什麼時候完成還有你說廠商都是合法的但是照你們的報告回應裡面是這個廠商他是列入黑名單\n\n8\n00:02:32,276 --> 00:02:36,818\n已經禁止三年招標了但是呢現在你還是一樣讓這個廠商就是通過招標才又沒有要去改進還有那個制度是如何這樣子的話就是這幾年你們這其他的廠商都不合法這個是禁止三年的他再回來招標按你們又給他去\n\n9\n00:02:56,225 --> 00:03:05,026\n去表這樣子的話你覺得我們第一線的警察這樣的安全如何把關啊這個才是我們關心的\n\n10\n00:03:07,717 --> 00:03:35,904\n報告委員我是這個承辦這件防彈衣的科長我跟您報告一下首先我們的驗收程序是按照我們的契約規定去處理我們廠商報驗的時候我們親自到工廠去抽取隨機抽驗21件的樣的產品我們進行國內外的檢測那國內是檢測所以那麼那麼的這個防彈衣不是每件每間去抽查是就是樣本來抽查這樣子的話是\n\n11\n00:03:57,928 --> 00:04:26,188\n一般我們要去驗收的話連一支筆都要馬上就算足每一支筆我們就去標案是這樣但是你們驗收就說樣本驗收這樣子太離譜了報告委員那個我們驗收是先點數量我們確定數量全部都到齊之後我們才會按照我們契約去抽取我們要檢測的數量那因為6000多件全部要檢測其實那個簽審到的成本有後續的驗收的成本那個\n\n12\n00:04:27,229 --> 00:04:47,911\n我覺得我就沒辦法如果是身為一個警察這樣子的驗收的話我覺得沒辦法所以你們我問的就是說你們的驗收但是你回答是這樣子你的調查的結果還有抽查現在我們是有這樣子的傻子餅你們要怎麼樣去做調查怎麼樣去後面要來去抽換的\n\n13\n00:04:51,734 --> 00:05:04,424\n一句相關的一個公共採購的一個程序他驗收有一定的一個程序他也一定驗收的這個內容也一定就是照契約這是第一點第二個是這個抽這個\n\n14\n00:05:05,365 --> 00:05:05,405\n議員：麥玉珍\n\n15\n00:05:33,326 --> 00:05:48,854\n現在大家就是發現有這樣子的問題如果是真正我們的警察穿出來就背這個重槍的話這樣是誰負責這個是人命是當然所以我們發現瑕疵品的話因為企業要求他立即幫他做更換對還有說這個廠商已經是禁止\n\n16\n00:05:55,017 --> 00:05:55,217\n委員會議事日程\n\n17\n00:06:24,977 --> 00:06:25,038\n議事日程。\n\n18\n00:06:25,811 --> 00:06:33,736\n小的評述就是依據我們第40條第二項的規定前項就是說居住水準但是中央每4年都要修正但我們現在看到的就從101年到現在成為修正還有在107年的時候也曾經就是修訂原收權但是其中就是從12年內政部都沒有修正這個基本\n\n19\n00:06:55,551 --> 00:07:22,178\n的水準標準沒有再去挑這個部分想要我們部長怎麼樣才是說居住水準基本的居住水準我想這一部分內政部其實都在滾國土署其實都在滾動的一個檢討我上禮之後其實也請國土署針對這一部分做相關的一個研議那你剛剛提到的\n\n20\n00:07:24,719 --> 00:07:45,755\n這個基本的居住水準其實它是要依整個國家跟社會發展的一個狀態發展到現在我們都沒有去修正國家的發展就是部長說的國家的發展還有居住的空間要去改變但是12年了沒有去改變所以變成說這樣子的居住水準\n\n21\n00:07:46,636 --> 00:07:51,280\n每次問都是研議再準備再檢討這樣子的話效果是什麼因為這個就必須要慎重慎重12年了都沒有去改變\n\n22\n00:08:03,329 --> 00:08:32,789\n所以正中到什麼時候?這個至少我上任之後我已經交代他們要做相關的一個修正所以現在已經快要卸任了所以到現在上任的時候交到現在快要卸任了不過委員我跟你報告這個東西你要調不是那麼簡單沒錯但是我們希望因為他簽一法動全身而且這個會影響到很多民眾的一個權益那另外在做相關的一個都市計畫的一個規劃跟設計的時候也都一定會受到影響所以這一部分為什麼他們要特別慎重的原因在這邊\n\n23\n00:08:33,109 --> 00:09:01,905\n是,但是慎重也要去調整啦希望真正的是照顧到我們的居民不是說以前的標準跟水準這樣就可以了這樣的話我們真的是部長剛才也有講嘛是不是我們要那麼多年了已經要改變但是到現在還沒有改變所以希望這個部分要你卸任之前是不是說可以再去改變真正的去照顧到我們的居民\n\n24\n00:09:02,325 --> 00:09:15,851\n不用用我要卸任的這來畫一條線這個是國土署他們本來都在做相關的研議那社會一定也要進步我想這部分大家都懂事我們是有追蹤也有進度這樣進度結果在哪裡可以\n\n25\n00:09:28,537 --> 00:09:55,305\n沒有問題,我要請國土署再給委員說明。因為很多縣市裡面有很多都沒有去做家屋的改善。如果是有這樣子的標準認定的話,是否就是我們……我們下一頁再看一下。這個你看喔,很多縣市都沒有去做這樣子的。對,所以希望就是要給我一個報告,可以嗎?\n\n26\n00:09:57,279 --> 00:09:57,699\n謝謝麥玉珍委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n89\t309\t主席\n15380\t45020\t部長好,想要請教一下近期警政署有報出我們第一線的警察級兄弟使用防彈衣抗奧吐版存在有查資對於第一線執行人員人身安全造成很嚴重的威脅目前警政署是說一切合法想要請教一下部長在驗收新防彈衣的過程中內政部具體是如何進行的\n46001\t68896\t為何這樣的二值的防彈衣可以驗收通過還有請教部長對於此事的防彈衣的查詢有進行全面調查還有調查的結果是什麼好謝謝委員的詢問不過這個驗收的部分這次警政署在驗收我是不是請警政署來做說明好謝謝\n73449\t96157\t委員好、召委好、補助好。那針對委員剛剛的提問,那我們這一、今年那個112年度那個備薪式防災,那是在公開招標還有最低標的方式辦。那當時有兩家廠商投標,那分別是公園公司還有萬寶城公司來投標。\n97577\t113926\t在當時審標的時候他資格都是符合的我們當時照標規定是要兩家廠商投標的時候要請廠商提供量衣那都經過我們一個送交要到國內外檢測機構\n115847\t118769\t我現在問的是說我們是不是說招標的問題現在就是說我們的驗收如何驗收有這個傻吃的這個我們防彈衣如何調查的結果是什麼\n131778\t134340\t如果你說那個招標的廠商的話所以請問一下現在你們的進度或者是說我們要怎麼樣去抽換啊什麼時候完成還有你說廠商都是合法的但是照你們的報告回應裡面是這個廠商他是列入黑名單\n152276\t156818\t已經禁止三年招標了但是呢現在你還是一樣讓這個廠商就是通過招標才又沒有要去改進還有那個制度是如何這樣子的話就是這幾年你們這其他的廠商都不合法這個是禁止三年的他再回來招標按你們又給他去\n176225\t185026\t去表這樣子的話你覺得我們第一線的警察這樣的安全如何把關啊這個才是我們關心的\n187717\t215904\t報告委員我是這個承辦這件防彈衣的科長我跟您報告一下首先我們的驗收程序是按照我們的契約規定去處理我們廠商報驗的時候我們親自到工廠去抽取隨機抽驗21件的樣的產品我們進行國內外的檢測那國內是檢測所以那麼那麼的這個防彈衣不是每件每間去抽查是就是樣本來抽查這樣子的話是\n216664\t237227\t⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯\n237928\t266188\t一般我們要去驗收的話連一支筆都要馬上就算足每一支筆我們就去標案是這樣但是你們驗收就說樣本驗收這樣子太離譜了報告委員那個我們驗收是先點數量我們確定數量全部都到齊之後我們才會按照我們契約去抽取我們要檢測的數量那因為6000多件全部要檢測其實那個簽審到的成本有後續的驗收的成本那個\n267229\t287911\t我覺得我就沒辦法 如果是身為一個警察這樣子的驗收的話 我覺得沒辦法 所以你們 我問的就是說你們的驗收但是你回答是這樣子 你的調查的結果還有抽查 現在我們是有這樣子的傻子餅 你們要怎麼樣去做調查 怎麼樣去後面要來去抽換的\n291734\t304424\t一句相關的一個公共採購的一個程序他驗收有一定的一個程序他也一定驗收的這個內容也一定就是照契約這是第一點第二個是這個抽這個\n305365\t305405\t議員：麥玉珍\n333326\t348854\t現在大家就是發現有這樣子的問題如果是真正我們的警察穿出來就背這個重槍的話這樣是誰負責這個是人命是當然所以我們發現瑕疵品的話因為企業要求他立即幫他做更換對還有說這個廠商已經是禁止\n355017\t355217\t委員會議事日程\n384977\t385038\t議事日程。\n385811\t393736\t小的評述就是依據我們第40條第二項的規定前項就是說居住水準但是中央每4年都要修正但我們現在看到的就從101年到現在成為修正還有在107年的時候也曾經就是修訂原收權但是其中就是從12年內政部都沒有修正這個基本\n415551\t442178\t的水準標準沒有再去挑這個部分想要我們部長怎麼樣才是說居住水準基本的居住水準我想這一部分內政部其實都在滾國土署其實都在滾動的一個檢討我上禮之後其實也請國土署針對這一部分做相關的一個研議那你剛剛提到的\n444719\t465755\t這個基本的居住水準其實它是要依整個國家跟社會發展的一個狀態發展到現在我們都沒有去修正國家的發展就是部長說的國家的發展還有居住的空間要去改變但是12年了沒有去改變所以變成說這樣子的居住水準\n466636\t471280\t每次問都是研議再準備再檢討這樣子的話效果是什麼因為這個就必須要慎重慎重12年了都沒有去改變\n483329\t512789\t所以正中到什麼時候?這個至少我上任之後我已經交代他們要做相關的一個修正所以現在已經快要卸任了所以到現在上任的時候交到現在快要卸任了不過委員我跟你報告這個東西你要調不是那麼簡單沒錯但是我們希望 因為他簽一法動全身而且這個會影響到很多民眾的一個權益那另外在做相關的一個都市計畫的一個規劃跟設計的時候也都一定會受到影響所以這一部分為什麼他們要特別慎重的原因在這邊\n513109\t541905\t是,但是慎重也要去調整啦希望真正的是照顧到我們的居民不是說以前的標準跟水準這樣就可以了這樣的話我們真的是部長剛才也有講嘛是不是我們要那麼多年了已經要改變但是到現在還沒有改變所以希望這個部分要你卸任之前是不是說可以再去改變真正的去照顧到我們的居民\n542325\t555851\t不用用我要卸任的這來畫一條線這個是國土署他們本來都在做相關的研議那社會一定也要進步我想這部分大家都懂事我們是有追蹤也有進度這樣進度結果在哪裡可以\n568537\t595305\t沒有問題,我要請國土署再給委員說明。因為很多縣市裡面有很多都沒有去做家屋的改善。如果是有這樣子的標準認定的話,是否就是我們……我們下一頁再看一下。這個你看喔,很多縣市都沒有去做這樣子的。對,所以希望就是要給我一個報告,可以嗎?\n597279\t597699\t謝謝麥玉珍委員\n","txt":"主席\n部長好,想要請教一下近期警政署有報出我們第一線的警察級兄弟使用防彈衣抗奧吐版存在有查資對於第一線執行人員人身安全造成很嚴重的威脅目前警政署是說一切合法想要請教一下部長在驗收新防彈衣的過程中內政部具體是如何進行的\n為何這樣的二值的防彈衣可以驗收通過還有請教部長對於此事的防彈衣的查詢有進行全面調查還有調查的結果是什麼好謝謝委員的詢問不過這個驗收的部分這次警政署在驗收我是不是請警政署來做說明好謝謝\n委員好、召委好、補助好。那針對委員剛剛的提問,那我們這一、今年那個112年度那個備薪式防災,那是在公開招標還有最低標的方式辦。那當時有兩家廠商投標,那分別是公園公司還有萬寶城公司來投標。\n在當時審標的時候他資格都是符合的我們當時照標規定是要兩家廠商投標的時候要請廠商提供量衣那都經過我們一個送交要到國內外檢測機構\n我現在問的是說我們是不是說招標的問題現在就是說我們的驗收如何驗收有這個傻吃的這個我們防彈衣如何調查的結果是什麼\n如果你說那個招標的廠商的話所以請問一下現在你們的進度或者是說我們要怎麼樣去抽換啊什麼時候完成還有你說廠商都是合法的但是照你們的報告回應裡面是這個廠商他是列入黑名單\n已經禁止三年招標了但是呢現在你還是一樣讓這個廠商就是通過招標才又沒有要去改進還有那個制度是如何這樣子的話就是這幾年你們這其他的廠商都不合法這個是禁止三年的他再回來招標按你們又給他去\n去表這樣子的話你覺得我們第一線的警察這樣的安全如何把關啊這個才是我們關心的\n報告委員我是這個承辦這件防彈衣的科長我跟您報告一下首先我們的驗收程序是按照我們的契約規定去處理我們廠商報驗的時候我們親自到工廠去抽取隨機抽驗21件的樣的產品我們進行國內外的檢測那國內是檢測所以那麼那麼的這個防彈衣不是每件每間去抽查是就是樣本來抽查這樣子的話是\n⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯\n一般我們要去驗收的話連一支筆都要馬上就算足每一支筆我們就去標案是這樣但是你們驗收就說樣本驗收這樣子太離譜了報告委員那個我們驗收是先點數量我們確定數量全部都到齊之後我們才會按照我們契約去抽取我們要檢測的數量那因為6000多件全部要檢測其實那個簽審到的成本有後續的驗收的成本那個\n我覺得我就沒辦法 如果是身為一個警察這樣子的驗收的話 我覺得沒辦法 所以你們 我問的就是說你們的驗收但是你回答是這樣子 你的調查的結果還有抽查 現在我們是有這樣子的傻子餅 你們要怎麼樣去做調查 怎麼樣去後面要來去抽換的\n一句相關的一個公共採購的一個程序他驗收有一定的一個程序他也一定驗收的這個內容也一定就是照契約這是第一點第二個是這個抽這個\n議員：麥玉珍\n現在大家就是發現有這樣子的問題如果是真正我們的警察穿出來就背這個重槍的話這樣是誰負責這個是人命是當然所以我們發現瑕疵品的話因為企業要求他立即幫他做更換對還有說這個廠商已經是禁止\n委員會議事日程\n議事日程。\n小的評述就是依據我們第40條第二項的規定前項就是說居住水準但是中央每4年都要修正但我們現在看到的就從101年到現在成為修正還有在107年的時候也曾經就是修訂原收權但是其中就是從12年內政部都沒有修正這個基本\n的水準標準沒有再去挑這個部分想要我們部長怎麼樣才是說居住水準基本的居住水準我想這一部分內政部其實都在滾國土署其實都在滾動的一個檢討我上禮之後其實也請國土署針對這一部分做相關的一個研議那你剛剛提到的\n這個基本的居住水準其實它是要依整個國家跟社會發展的一個狀態發展到現在我們都沒有去修正國家的發展就是部長說的國家的發展還有居住的空間要去改變但是12年了沒有去改變所以變成說這樣子的居住水準\n每次問都是研議再準備再檢討這樣子的話效果是什麼因為這個就必須要慎重慎重12年了都沒有去改變\n所以正中到什麼時候?這個至少我上任之後我已經交代他們要做相關的一個修正所以現在已經快要卸任了所以到現在上任的時候交到現在快要卸任了不過委員我跟你報告這個東西你要調不是那麼簡單沒錯但是我們希望 因為他簽一法動全身而且這個會影響到很多民眾的一個權益那另外在做相關的一個都市計畫的一個規劃跟設計的時候也都一定會受到影響所以這一部分為什麼他們要特別慎重的原因在這邊\n是,但是慎重也要去調整啦希望真正的是照顧到我們的居民不是說以前的標準跟水準這樣就可以了這樣的話我們真的是部長剛才也有講嘛是不是我們要那麼多年了已經要改變但是到現在還沒有改變所以希望這個部分要你卸任之前是不是說可以再去改變真正的去照顧到我們的居民\n不用用我要卸任的這來畫一條線這個是國土署他們本來都在做相關的研議那社會一定也要進步我想這部分大家都懂事我們是有追蹤也有進度這樣進度結果在哪裡可以\n沒有問題,我要請國土署再給委員說明。因為很多縣市裡面有很多都沒有去做家屋的改善。如果是有這樣子的標準認定的話,是否就是我們……我們下一頁再看一下。這個你看喔,很多縣市都沒有去做這樣子的。對,所以希望就是要給我一個報告,可以嗎?\n謝謝麥玉珍委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.089 --> 00:00.309\n主席\n\n00:15.380 --> 00:45.020\n部長好,想要請教一下近期警政署有報出我們第一線的警察級兄弟使用防彈衣抗奧吐版存在有查資對於第一線執行人員人身安全造成很嚴重的威脅目前警政署是說一切合法想要請教一下部長在驗收新防彈衣的過程中內政部具體是如何進行的\n\n00:46.001 --> 01:08.896\n為何這樣的二值的防彈衣可以驗收通過還有請教部長對於此事的防彈衣的查詢有進行全面調查還有調查的結果是什麼好謝謝委員的詢問不過這個驗收的部分這次警政署在驗收我是不是請警政署來做說明好謝謝\n\n01:13.449 --> 01:36.157\n委員好、召委好、補助好。那針對委員剛剛的提問,那我們這一、今年那個112年度那個備薪式防災,那是在公開招標還有最低標的方式辦。那當時有兩家廠商投標,那分別是公園公司還有萬寶城公司來投標。\n\n01:37.577 --> 01:53.926\n在當時審標的時候他資格都是符合的我們當時照標規定是要兩家廠商投標的時候要請廠商提供量衣那都經過我們一個送交要到國內外檢測機構\n\n01:55.847 --> 01:58.769\n我現在問的是說我們是不是說招標的問題現在就是說我們的驗收如何驗收有這個傻吃的這個我們防彈衣如何調查的結果是什麼\n\n02:11.778 --> 02:14.340\n如果你說那個招標的廠商的話所以請問一下現在你們的進度或者是說我們要怎麼樣去抽換啊什麼時候完成還有你說廠商都是合法的但是照你們的報告回應裡面是這個廠商他是列入黑名單\n\n02:32.276 --> 02:36.818\n已經禁止三年招標了但是呢現在你還是一樣讓這個廠商就是通過招標才又沒有要去改進還有那個制度是如何這樣子的話就是這幾年你們這其他的廠商都不合法這個是禁止三年的他再回來招標按你們又給他去\n\n02:56.225 --> 03:05.026\n去表這樣子的話你覺得我們第一線的警察這樣的安全如何把關啊這個才是我們關心的\n\n03:07.717 --> 03:35.904\n報告委員我是這個承辦這件防彈衣的科長我跟您報告一下首先我們的驗收程序是按照我們的契約規定去處理我們廠商報驗的時候我們親自到工廠去抽取隨機抽驗21件的樣的產品我們進行國內外的檢測那國內是檢測所以那麼那麼的這個防彈衣不是每件每間去抽查是就是樣本來抽查這樣子的話是\n\n03:57.928 --> 04:26.188\n一般我們要去驗收的話連一支筆都要馬上就算足每一支筆我們就去標案是這樣但是你們驗收就說樣本驗收這樣子太離譜了報告委員那個我們驗收是先點數量我們確定數量全部都到齊之後我們才會按照我們契約去抽取我們要檢測的數量那因為6000多件全部要檢測其實那個簽審到的成本有後續的驗收的成本那個\n\n04:27.229 --> 04:47.911\n我覺得我就沒辦法如果是身為一個警察這樣子的驗收的話我覺得沒辦法所以你們我問的就是說你們的驗收但是你回答是這樣子你的調查的結果還有抽查現在我們是有這樣子的傻子餅你們要怎麼樣去做調查怎麼樣去後面要來去抽換的\n\n04:51.734 --> 05:04.424\n一句相關的一個公共採購的一個程序他驗收有一定的一個程序他也一定驗收的這個內容也一定就是照契約這是第一點第二個是這個抽這個\n\n05:05.365 --> 05:05.405\n議員：麥玉珍\n\n05:33.326 --> 05:48.854\n現在大家就是發現有這樣子的問題如果是真正我們的警察穿出來就背這個重槍的話這樣是誰負責這個是人命是當然所以我們發現瑕疵品的話因為企業要求他立即幫他做更換對還有說這個廠商已經是禁止\n\n05:55.017 --> 05:55.217\n委員會議事日程\n\n06:24.977 --> 06:25.038\n議事日程。\n\n06:25.811 --> 06:33.736\n小的評述就是依據我們第40條第二項的規定前項就是說居住水準但是中央每4年都要修正但我們現在看到的就從101年到現在成為修正還有在107年的時候也曾經就是修訂原收權但是其中就是從12年內政部都沒有修正這個基本\n\n06:55.551 --> 07:22.178\n的水準標準沒有再去挑這個部分想要我們部長怎麼樣才是說居住水準基本的居住水準我想這一部分內政部其實都在滾國土署其實都在滾動的一個檢討我上禮之後其實也請國土署針對這一部分做相關的一個研議那你剛剛提到的\n\n07:24.719 --> 07:45.755\n這個基本的居住水準其實它是要依整個國家跟社會發展的一個狀態發展到現在我們都沒有去修正國家的發展就是部長說的國家的發展還有居住的空間要去改變但是12年了沒有去改變所以變成說這樣子的居住水準\n\n07:46.636 --> 07:51.280\n每次問都是研議再準備再檢討這樣子的話效果是什麼因為這個就必須要慎重慎重12年了都沒有去改變\n\n08:03.329 --> 08:32.789\n所以正中到什麼時候?這個至少我上任之後我已經交代他們要做相關的一個修正所以現在已經快要卸任了所以到現在上任的時候交到現在快要卸任了不過委員我跟你報告這個東西你要調不是那麼簡單沒錯但是我們希望因為他簽一法動全身而且這個會影響到很多民眾的一個權益那另外在做相關的一個都市計畫的一個規劃跟設計的時候也都一定會受到影響所以這一部分為什麼他們要特別慎重的原因在這邊\n\n08:33.109 --> 09:01.905\n是,但是慎重也要去調整啦希望真正的是照顧到我們的居民不是說以前的標準跟水準這樣就可以了這樣的話我們真的是部長剛才也有講嘛是不是我們要那麼多年了已經要改變但是到現在還沒有改變所以希望這個部分要你卸任之前是不是說可以再去改變真正的去照顧到我們的居民\n\n09:02.325 --> 09:15.851\n不用用我要卸任的這來畫一條線這個是國土署他們本來都在做相關的研議那社會一定也要進步我想這部分大家都懂事我們是有追蹤也有進度這樣進度結果在哪裡可以\n\n09:28.537 --> 09:55.305\n沒有問題,我要請國土署再給委員說明。因為很多縣市裡面有很多都沒有去做家屋的改善。如果是有這樣子的標準認定的話,是否就是我們……我們下一頁再看一下。這個你看喔,很多縣市都沒有去做這樣子的。對,所以希望就是要給我一個報告,可以嗎?\n\n09:57.279 --> 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