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00:03:41,051\n所以我們在哪一個系列會把台灣的這些元素放進去呢?\n\n11\n00:03:48,332 --> 00:03:49,694\n對,但是我是說在這個故宮百年系列展裡面有嗎?我們有規劃嗎?\n\n12\n00:04:10,492 --> 00:04:39,092\n只要告訴我有沒有好不好我跟委員報告一下因為這個就是很敏感因為我們放了太多的臺灣元素的話就會出現兩個字就是因為你加入比如說我們故宮北院然後故宮南院的話蓋故宮南院就是為了兩個字同樣的如果我們加了過多的臺灣元素的話又會有那兩個字大小院長我現在看起來是因為我們幾乎沒有臺灣元素因為我們現在基本上我覺得我們還是要去做出一個差異化\n\n13\n00:04:39,672 --> 00:04:53,439\n我們在展覽裡面有一個夾子萬年就是講說故宮博物院在台灣這一夾子裡面跟文物的故事跟關係人物的關係所以我們會有這樣的一個東西但是直接\n\n14\n00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:56,020\n回顧到我們講基金是我們能不能聘請人力的一個很重要的一個裁員\n\n15\n00:05:21,807 --> 00:05:47,265\n那我現在看到我們其實是有短卓三千多萬在今年的預算裡面我們看起來是不夠的那我們就來看我們要如何賺錢好不好那我看一下我們之前有做一個網路的資料調查其實你們也調查了來客率就是說來訪的人數訪客在北院的話年紀是比較長的南院是比較年輕的可是有一個很重要的重點就是在北院幾乎在未到訪以未滿15歲的比例為最高達到了將近四成\n\n16\n00:05:48,206 --> 00:06:10,360\n南院則是以15到24歲的比例最高,佔41.2%所以這看起來是有兩個問題我們要來處理的首先我們先來處理一個我們如何去吸引所謂的15到24歲的人來我們的故宮百年文創我們現在做的這百年文創的紀念品紀念油票、紀念幣、紀念酒其實是非常適合我們現在所謂的主要客群就是50歲以上的\n\n17\n00:06:11,741 --> 00:06:11,861\n張雅琳議員\n\n18\n00:06:33,531 --> 00:07:00,279\n有看過有看過嗎?有看過對不對?看起來我看院長都會心一笑齁就其實這個東西是在日本出的一系列的喔他們不僅有出這樣子的自由女神的扭蛋喔那這個民眾就買了之後還是開始回去哭手做很多不同的創意這樣那還有他們還有跟紐約大都會博物館也有做一系列的部分那我就在想我們是不是可以把這件事情變成扭蛋呢?\n\n19\n00:07:01,317 --> 00:07:09,539\n我們可不可以有更多的創意去吸引我們的年輕人為了這件事情來到走進故宮有沒有更多的誘因這是不是一個可行性的方向\n\n20\n00:07:10,701 --> 00:07:39,913\n基本上來講的話除了我們那個計畫中比較制式的一個文創商品之外的話其實我們現在在想說如何跟台灣的百年老店結合讓他們跟故宮聯名那另外的話我們會鼓勵就是說不同的所有跟故宮合作過的業者他們都可以在故宮百年100plus的中間開發是他們的文創商品那當然不排除把聯名繼續往下降\n\n21\n00:07:40,866 --> 00:07:53,913\n對,因為我覺得我們最大的問題是15到24歲的人不來了這個地方是我們必須要去解決的因為它如果如果我們可以在這個時候去把它吸引進來我們就有可能去補足未來人口凋零的這個問題那再來就是說針對15歲以下因為我們剛剛還有15歲以下的問題嘛\n\n22\n00:07:59,116 --> 00:08:25,724\n在北院15歲以下的將近四成人沒有來過故宮那我看了一下就是紐約大都會博物館啊多倫多皇家安大陸博物館都是國家級的博物館他們都有針對18歲以下的小孩以不同的年齡層去開發不同型的課程作為他們學校校外教學的活動那目前我看是故宮南院有做類似的那不曉得說我們在故宮北院是不是也可以以這個方向來做一些規劃\n\n23\n00:08:27,144 --> 00:08:52,797\n故宮北院的兒育中心基本上來講大家擔心說北院的兒育中心開了之後北院的那個地下一樓的那個兒童的那個空間會不會取消不會那個會繼續但是北院的兒育中心就是現在第二行政大樓跟那個我們四棟的舊的宿舍的話我們就會變成是一個教案教協的一個可以受惠的一個場域\n\n24\n00:08:53,541 --> 00:08:53,701\n提供故宮博物院規劃\n\n25\n00:09:13,070 --> 00:09:30,042\n故宮對於兒童青少年我們原則上的話都盡量採取免費的一個服務包括志工當然都免費對我知道因為他小時候進來嘛長大他才有可能持續的進來我們其實在為未來的客人幫他招募進來那我還是想的就是說我們還是要去賺未來一直一直去賺錢好不好\n\n26\n00:09:31,812 --> 00:09:53,284\n所以這個資料我也可以提供給故宮那再來延續一下我不好意思我再接一點時間就是故宮兒童學藝中心我們有收到民眾來陳情就是說3C數位的設備過多而且自費量非常非常多對於學齡前的孩子來說其實並不友善那當時故宮回應我的是說我們有辦了26場互動活動但是我想院長一定非常曉得右下角那張照片就是南門博物館\n\n27\n00:09:55,325 --> 00:10:11,361\n我們其實活動行程跟長社展可以讓他去觸碰的那個感覺還是不一樣就學齡前的孩子他的資質量不夠多他還是需要透過互動、接觸、觸摸種種的那種感受性的方式去增加他跟這個藝術品跟這個博物館的一些經驗\n\n28\n00:10:13,582 --> 00:10:27,220\n右上角其實是多倫多的安大略自然史博物館它裡面就是有一些挖掘的我想這個院長一定非常熟悉所以我在想說未來我們是不是可以針對學藝中心去做一些調整讓一些幼齡的孩子進來的時候他也可以在這邊跟藝術品互動\n\n29\n00:10:27,981 --> 00:10:46,234\n其實那個二一中心的話那個數位互動的話因為他在面牆上面但是事實上我們的每不同的時間都有推廣教育活動就是在桌面上的所以有時候進去的時候沒有看到桌面上的教育推廣活動只看到牆上他就會覺得說好像只有那些其實不是\n\n30\n00:10:53,598 --> 00:11:14,489\n對,沒錯,真的是一個問題,因為像我自己,像多寶閣那時候我也很想參加,但我也沒有報到名所以我的意思是說,因為那個真的是活動設計得非常好啦可是我報不到的時候,我就變成,我就沒東西可以玩可是我既然都來了,我們就還是回到那個問題嘛,我們要讓更多的人走進故宮所以這件事情我們可不可以在學藝的長設展的部分去做一些修正\n\n31\n00:11:15,438 --> 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續但是北院的兒育中心就是現在第二行政大樓跟那個我們四棟的舊的宿舍的話我們就會變成是一個教案教協的一個可以受惠的一個場域\n提供故宮博物院規劃\n故宮對於兒童青少年我們原則上的話都盡量採取免費的一個服務包括志工當然都免費對我知道因為他小時候進來嘛長大他才有可能持續的進來我們其實在為未來的客人幫他招募進來那我還是想的就是說我們還是要去賺未來一直一直去賺錢好不好\n所以這個資料我也可以提供給故宮那再來延續一下我不好意思我再接一點時間就是故宮兒童學藝中心我們有收到民眾來陳情就是說3C數位的設備過多而且自費量非常非常多對於學齡前的孩子來說其實並不友善那當時故宮回應我的是說我們有辦了26場互動活動但是我想院長一定非常曉得右下角那張照片就是南門博物館\n我們其實活動行程跟長社展可以讓他去觸碰的那個感覺還是不一樣就學齡前的孩子他的資質量不夠多他還是需要透過互動、接觸、觸摸種種的那種感受性的方式去增加他跟這個藝術品跟這個博物館的一些經驗\n右上角其實是多倫多的安大略自然史博物館它裡面就是有一些挖掘的我想這個院長一定非常熟悉所以我在想說未來我們是不是可以針對學藝中心去做一些調整讓一些幼齡的孩子進來的時候他也可以在這邊跟藝術品互動\n其實那個二一中心的話那個數位互動的話因為他在面牆上面但是事實上我們的每不同的時間都有推廣教育活動就是在桌面上的所以有時候進去的時候沒有看到桌面上的教育推廣活動只看到牆上他就會覺得說好像只有那些其實不是\n對,沒錯,真的是一個問題,因為像我自己,像多寶閣那時候我也很想參加,但我也沒有報到名所以我的意思是說,因為那個真的是活動設計得非常好啦可是我報不到的時候,我就變成,我就沒東西可以玩可是我既然都來了,我們就還是回到那個問題嘛,我們要讓更多的人走進故宮所以這件事情我們可不可以在學藝的長設展的部分去做一些修正\n好,我們滾動式修正包括藍燕也是有不同的觀點所以這個我們會來整體檢討做一個滾動式修正好,謝謝,謝謝院長,謝謝主席\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.086 --> 00:10.124\n張雅琳議員\n\n00:18.252 --> 00:45.573\n張委員早院長好就是說非常感謝就是週一的安排讓我們可以很近身的去觀察這些修復的藝術那我真的覺得這個修復師的生命真的是孤獨又燦爛的生命那就是延續剛剛前面幾位委員的一些關心我想大家都非常關心這個修復師的人力還有庫房管理的人力因為這也是當時在說人力有所不足那前面其實也有委員問到說我們人因為這是關心到這個人事的編制上面的緣額\n\n00:47.154 --> 00:47.975\n新內閣進入後,院長會否去爭取?\n\n01:17.755 --> 01:18.815\n明年正值故宮一百年回顧過去展望未來\n\n01:37.469 --> 01:59.945\n故宮要跟世界說明我們的一個定位我們的方向那這一次我看到在所有的部展裡面不管是國際的或是國內的我們有很多的展都是以宋朝的一些藝術品做一些展出那我想要講就是說我們在故宮幾年在北京故宮幾年在台北又是幾年呢\n\n02:02.285 --> 02:12.095\n沒關係直接回答我哪一個時間比較長好了在台北比較長在台北的話1965年在外雙溪的話到現在60年59年然後再加北溝的話大概13年還是17年我現在要算一下總共73年在台灣\n\n02:25.507 --> 02:25.928\n這部分想請教院長\n\n02:53.616 --> 03:15.055\n當然故宮一百plus我們不要用一百的話就是一百plus的話就表示說我們會往前看但是因為以目前來講的話我們大概就是會做一個回顧成為剛委員講的話以宋朝的文物為主因為宋朝的文物是故宮博物院宋冶明清裡面最\n\n03:15.956 --> 03:18.137\n所以我想問一下這個100plus是指說接下來明年之後嗎?\n\n03:39.489 --> 03:41.051\n所以我們在哪一個系列會把台灣的這些元素放進去呢?\n\n03:48.332 --> 03:49.694\n對,但是我是說在這個故宮百年系列展裡面有嗎?我們有規劃嗎?\n\n04:10.492 --> 04:39.092\n只要告訴我有沒有好不好我跟委員報告一下因為這個就是很敏感因為我們放了太多的臺灣元素的話就會出現兩個字就是因為你加入比如說我們故宮北院然後故宮南院的話蓋故宮南院就是為了兩個字同樣的如果我們加了過多的臺灣元素的話又會有那兩個字大小院長我現在看起來是因為我們幾乎沒有臺灣元素因為我們現在基本上我覺得我們還是要去做出一個差異化\n\n04:39.672 --> 04:53.439\n我們在展覽裡面有一個夾子萬年就是講說故宮博物院在台灣這一夾子裡面跟文物的故事跟關係人物的關係所以我們會有這樣的一個東西但是直接\n\n04:54.480 --> 04:56.020\n回顧到我們講基金是我們能不能聘請人力的一個很重要的一個裁員\n\n05:21.807 --> 05:47.265\n那我現在看到我們其實是有短卓三千多萬在今年的預算裡面我們看起來是不夠的那我們就來看我們要如何賺錢好不好那我看一下我們之前有做一個網路的資料調查其實你們也調查了來客率就是說來訪的人數訪客在北院的話年紀是比較長的南院是比較年輕的可是有一個很重要的重點就是在北院幾乎在未到訪以未滿15歲的比例為最高達到了將近四成\n\n05:48.206 --> 06:10.360\n南院則是以15到24歲的比例最高,佔41.2%所以這看起來是有兩個問題我們要來處理的首先我們先來處理一個我們如何去吸引所謂的15到24歲的人來我們的故宮百年文創我們現在做的這百年文創的紀念品紀念油票、紀念幣、紀念酒其實是非常適合我們現在所謂的主要客群就是50歲以上的\n\n06:11.741 --> 06:11.861\n張雅琳議員\n\n06:33.531 --> 07:00.279\n有看過有看過嗎?有看過對不對?看起來我看院長都會心一笑齁就其實這個東西是在日本出的一系列的喔他們不僅有出這樣子的自由女神的扭蛋喔那這個民眾就買了之後還是開始回去哭手做很多不同的創意這樣那還有他們還有跟紐約大都會博物館也有做一系列的部分那我就在想我們是不是可以把這件事情變成扭蛋呢?\n\n07:01.317 --> 07:09.539\n我們可不可以有更多的創意去吸引我們的年輕人為了這件事情來到走進故宮有沒有更多的誘因這是不是一個可行性的方向\n\n07:10.701 --> 07:39.913\n基本上來講的話除了我們那個計畫中比較制式的一個文創商品之外的話其實我們現在在想說如何跟台灣的百年老店結合讓他們跟故宮聯名那另外的話我們會鼓勵就是說不同的所有跟故宮合作過的業者他們都可以在故宮百年100plus的中間開發是他們的文創商品那當然不排除把聯名繼續往下降\n\n07:40.866 --> 07:53.913\n對,因為我覺得我們最大的問題是15到24歲的人不來了這個地方是我們必須要去解決的因為它如果如果我們可以在這個時候去把它吸引進來我們就有可能去補足未來人口凋零的這個問題那再來就是說針對15歲以下因為我們剛剛還有15歲以下的問題嘛\n\n07:59.116 --> 08:25.724\n在北院15歲以下的將近四成人沒有來過故宮那我看了一下就是紐約大都會博物館啊多倫多皇家安大陸博物館都是國家級的博物館他們都有針對18歲以下的小孩以不同的年齡層去開發不同型的課程作為他們學校校外教學的活動那目前我看是故宮南院有做類似的那不曉得說我們在故宮北院是不是也可以以這個方向來做一些規劃\n\n08:27.144 --> 08:52.797\n故宮北院的兒育中心基本上來講大家擔心說北院的兒育中心開了之後北院的那個地下一樓的那個兒童的那個空間會不會取消不會那個會繼續但是北院的兒育中心就是現在第二行政大樓跟那個我們四棟的舊的宿舍的話我們就會變成是一個教案教協的一個可以受惠的一個場域\n\n08:53.541 --> 08:53.701\n提供故宮博物院規劃\n\n09:13.070 --> 09:30.042\n故宮對於兒童青少年我們原則上的話都盡量採取免費的一個服務包括志工當然都免費對我知道因為他小時候進來嘛長大他才有可能持續的進來我們其實在為未來的客人幫他招募進來那我還是想的就是說我們還是要去賺未來一直一直去賺錢好不好\n\n09:31.812 --> 09:53.284\n所以這個資料我也可以提供給故宮那再來延續一下我不好意思我再接一點時間就是故宮兒童學藝中心我們有收到民眾來陳情就是說3C數位的設備過多而且自費量非常非常多對於學齡前的孩子來說其實並不友善那當時故宮回應我的是說我們有辦了26場互動活動但是我想院長一定非常曉得右下角那張照片就是南門博物館\n\n09:55.325 --> 10:11.361\n我們其實活動行程跟長社展可以讓他去觸碰的那個感覺還是不一樣就學齡前的孩子他的資質量不夠多他還是需要透過互動、接觸、觸摸種種的那種感受性的方式去增加他跟這個藝術品跟這個博物館的一些經驗\n\n10:13.582 --> 10:27.220\n右上角其實是多倫多的安大略自然史博物館它裡面就是有一些挖掘的我想這個院長一定非常熟悉所以我在想說未來我們是不是可以針對學藝中心去做一些調整讓一些幼齡的孩子進來的時候他也可以在這邊跟藝術品互動\n\n10:27.981 --> 10:46.234\n其實那個二一中心的話那個數位互動的話因為他在面牆上面但是事實上我們的每不同的時間都有推廣教育活動就是在桌面上的所以有時候進去的時候沒有看到桌面上的教育推廣活動只看到牆上他就會覺得說好像只有那些其實不是\n\n10:53.598 --> 11:14.489\n對,沒錯,真的是一個問題,因為像我自己,像多寶閣那時候我也很想參加,但我也沒有報到名所以我的意思是說,因為那個真的是活動設計得非常好啦可是我報不到的時候,我就變成,我就沒東西可以玩可是我既然都來了,我們就還是回到那個問題嘛,我們要讓更多的人走進故宮所以這件事情我們可不可以在學藝的長設展的部分去做一些修正\n\n11:15.438 --> 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