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00:01:28,069\n在改革的路上總是會遇到很多的辯論以及討論像這一次我們的新故宮計畫這新聞上面有說有些人以這個新故宮計畫是不是在進行去中國化來進行反對的意見\n\n5\n00:01:37,356 --> 00:01:43,078\n去中國化這個名詞對我來說也是一個歷史名詞我算是出生在台灣解嚴那一年但有記得從小我們在電視新聞上看到台灣當年在討論要教改的時候就有人出聲反對說不行不行這個教改叫做去中國化那所以呢我想我們如果回顧人類的歷史其實台灣也不孤單人類歷史上面每當要改革的時候總是會遇到各式各樣\n\n6\n00:02:06,107 --> 00:02:06,147\n主席\n\n7\n00:02:25,629 --> 00:02:52,420\n主要是什麼?要秉持你們的專業院長剛剛在回覆很多委員的問題的時候我都相當的讚賞不管是哪一個黨派委員的問題你都秉持你的專業故宮的文物修復尤其這是何等專業的事情那接下來我想要請教院長的是我們剛剛有提到的是我們的古物修復人力除了人力的數量是否足夠以外我想故宮過去在古文物的修復\n\n8\n00:02:53,300 --> 00:02:56,061\n臺灣目前我們的古物修復是還沒有朝向正照制所以我想要請教院長的意見\n\n9\n00:03:17,912 --> 00:03:35,199\n因為我們民間有在參與說我們的古物修復是不是可以來參照古蹟修復師他可以來把它制度化有一個證照的制度以日本來說他們也有日本國寶修理裝潢師聯盟他建立的是修理技術者的資格制度裡面他用分級的\n\n10\n00:03:35,819 --> 00:03:43,207\n所以一個修復師技術師的培養可能是要17年的時間以英國來說他也是由專業團體來執行專業認證的保存計畫那院長以我們故宮過去的經驗你認為台灣的古物修復有沒有需要朝向制度化\n\n11\n00:03:56,259 --> 00:04:23,588\n我覺得這個非常有必要因為跟文資的修復人力一樣因為我記得也是01級委員就是在爭取那個古蹟修復的專業技術的他的那個薪水的支付的等級所以這個部分的話有很好的突破那我覺得未來的話修復師如果可以導入一個證照制度然後讓這些修復師的話可以有一個合法的身份去從事修復的話我覺得這是一個良性的發展\n\n12\n00:04:24,033 --> 00:04:30,462\n是所以我希望故宮未來若文化部開始在研擬這個國務秀復師的徵兆制的時候故宮可以把我們過去的經驗你們經驗是最寶貴的來提供分享給文化部協助台灣來去把它制度化再來是\n\n13\n00:04:39,315 --> 00:04:39,535\n臺灣去年高雄開始營運的內圍藝術中心\n\n14\n00:05:03,872 --> 00:05:04,813\n故宮目前有沒有在進行相關的規劃?\n\n15\n00:05:15,098 --> 00:05:42,491\n故宮藍燕的國寶館裡面有一個修復的專業的一個工作室基本上來講的話我們也是有這樣的概念但是這樣的概念的話並不是說任何人的話隨時隨間隨時隨刻都可以進到修復室去參觀它是一個導覽的一個形式去介紹修復的過程而不是來檢視說工作人員到底有沒有偷懶因為有一個動作比如說光清洗的動作可能他要在那邊清洗一個鐘頭\n\n16\n00:05:43,712 --> 00:05:43,732\n吳沛憶議員\n\n17\n00:05:59,654 --> 00:06:22,228\n是所以我們國保館也是新故宮計畫的一環剛剛講這個可見式修復這個觀念就很重要院長你講的就是我們為什麼要做這個可見式修復的空間其實在做教育跟推廣我們希望讓國人更多的民眾可以了解修復工作的重要性以及它的價值然後大家也會更加的尊重那剛剛有提到說院長你提到說故宮很缺乏行銷相關的資源你認為目前的預算編列是不夠的\n\n18\n00:06:29,312 --> 00:06:29,853\n現在是增加到三位數\n\n19\n00:06:47,236 --> 00:06:59,289\n除了數字之外我想國人會更想要了解的是這些錢預算我們是要放在什麼樣的位置院長以你的過去在故宮的經驗你認為故宮現在需要增加哪些的行銷計畫\n\n20\n00:07:00,646 --> 00:07:24,860\n我想如果有經會的話基本上國際行銷是我們比較缺乏的一塊因為這個怎麼講呢因為在過去的那個年代裡面所有的新聞局或是外交部的駐外單位都會把故宮行銷故宮當作第一個本位那當然就是說因為現在大家經會也缺乏了所以變成說故宮的所謂的宣傳的部分的話都要故宮去處理\n\n21\n00:07:25,680 --> 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所以我希望故宮未來若文化部開始在研擬這個國務秀復師的徵兆制的時候故宮可以把我們過去的經驗你們經驗是最寶貴的來提供分享給文化部協助台灣來去把它制度化再來是"},{"start":279.315,"end":279.535,"text":"臺灣去年高雄開始營運的內圍藝術中心"},{"start":303.872,"end":304.813,"text":"故宮目前有沒有在進行相關的規劃?"},{"start":315.098,"end":342.491,"text":"故宮藍燕的國寶館裡面有一個修復的專業的一個工作室基本上來講的話我們也是有這樣的概念但是這樣的概念的話並不是說任何人的話隨時隨間隨時隨刻都可以進到修復室去參觀它是一個導覽的一個形式去介紹修復的過程而不是來檢視說工作人員到底有沒有偷懶因為有一個動作比如說光清洗的動作可能他要在那邊清洗一個鐘頭"},{"start":343.712,"end":343.732,"text":"吳沛憶議員"},{"start":359.654,"end":382.228,"text":"是 所以我們國保館也是新故宮計畫的一環剛剛講這個可見式修復這個觀念就很重要 院長你講的就是我們為什麼要做這個可見式修復的空間其實在做教育跟推廣我們希望讓國人 更多的民眾可以了解修復工作的重要性以及它的價值然後大家也會更加的尊重那剛剛有提到說 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Shaffer他的衣服你看得出來他是依據哪一個作品來設計的嘛對這是飯骨的新業嘛那其實我們故宮過去也有做過文物跟時尚的結合2018年的時候我們跟台灣的這個服裝設計師周允合作就把我們的翠玉白菜"},{"start":496.696,"end":501.597,"text":"是帶到了紐約的時裝周我覺得當時就是一個很好的嘗試因為不只是台灣的服裝設計還結合了台灣本土的音樂創作結合了我們已故的楊秀卿老師的兩關柯志豪老師的音樂還有熊仔的rap所以呢我覺得這是一個很好的嘗試那我也希望故宮能夠再去增加去規劃更多的"},{"start":520.962,"end":534.187,"text":"相關的行銷的計畫能夠去增加我們的國境能見度特別是我們不只是要打破文化的疆界不只是要出海出航我們是要打破藝術的跨領域能夠透過我們故宮文物跟我們臺灣其他本土的藝術文化創作者來結合我想這會是一個非常重要的也是故宮的社會責任"},{"start":546.459,"end":546.539,"text":"好 謝謝委員好 謝謝"}]}}}}