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00:00:33,825\n部長在前年的6月的時候臺美雙方都有宣布說要啟動臺美21世紀的貿易倡議本倡議也提供了12項的談判的內容在去年6月1號已經簽署了那第二次的談判也有啟動了\n\n3\n00:00:46,957 --> 00:00:52,061\n中間的話這個也特別觸及到我們針對於農業還有勞動跟我們環境中間的這個農業的部分但臺美這個除了討論這個糧食的安全以外我們的農業創新的技術跟合作的機制在這個我們也有向美國表達希望能夠准許我們的香腸啊肉鬆跟鳳梨芒果等農產品都能夠出口出口\n\n4\n00:01:13,860 --> 00:01:14,280\n李卓人議員\n\n5\n00:01:30,153 --> 00:01:55,264\n對,農業部,我們是配合OTN,因為OTN主談的,我們農業部有派人參加。那最主要的談判的內容是鎖定在整個的一個以科學為根據、風險為依據的一個農產品貿易的一個相關的國際規範。好,那既然我們農業部有全程參加的話,本席想請問的就是說有沒有針對一些我們像美豬啊美牛的一些限制他們有提出來討論呢?\n\n6\n00:01:56,335 --> 00:02:11,679\n我想我們在這一次的農產品的那個臺美貿易倡議的一個談判並沒有針對個案的部分我想我們都是用通案的方式我想我們在乎的是我們怎麼樣能夠盡快的把我們臺灣農產品輸到美國嘛這輸到美國會牽涉到檢疫的談判\n\n7\n00:02:15,100 --> 00:02:41,114\n那減益牽扯到後面的科學根據跟它的風險我們希望說兩國的這個減益的科學根據跟風險能夠一致化,這樣的話更快有時會這麼問的話是因為我們瞭解到美國非常關心這個美牛美豬的這個問題那尤其在這一次第二次談判又是農業部又部長您這邊都有全程在參加我們擔心的他們提出來之前的話像美牛美豬有萊克多巴胺的問題那尤其是這個牛隻的這個比較\n\n8\n00:02:43,436 --> 00:02:54,350\n高階層、高層危險的這個部分含有萊克多巴胺的我們都沒有開放那如果在這一次已經你第二次的第一輪已經談完了那第二輪會是什麼時候開始會不會再談到這個問題\n\n9\n00:02:57,182 --> 00:03:08,931\n我想整個的談判的時程沒有一定的說什麼時候一定要談完那第二次會什麼時候呢第二次可能會透過視訊我想OTN都在安排但是我要再次強調的是以農業部的立場針對相關的農產品的部分我們一定會維護我們本身的農業\n\n10\n00:03:15,276 --> 00:03:17,237\n對,我想以農業部的立場,我想我們會重視整個消費者的安全,也會重視我們產業的一個穩定性\n\n11\n00:03:42,128 --> 00:03:56,832\n好那接下來就是我們看到農業部非常關心我們的花蓮農產品的問題因為地震的關係那尤其是在這整個我們有提供的這個預算將近14億1830萬的預算要來振興提振這個花蓮的農產品那特別我們農業部又跟行政院爭取了1.83億要用發\n\n12\n00:04:08,856 --> 00:04:21,987\n農業劵的方式來讓花蓮的人民都還有我們國人都能有意願的購買花蓮的農產品本期在這邊提醒部長就是說我們在疫情當下的時候包括我們農業劵的1.0到4.0那我們講3.0的時候\n\n13\n00:04:25,350 --> 00:04:46,612\n三點的時候我們當時啊就是說消費進了滿六百元我們可以登錄發票去抽兩百元的農油件當時我們預備的是有三十萬張結果活動結束之後只有三萬兩千一百八十五張不到一成現在你又要發農油件這個會不會得不到預期的效果呢\n\n14\n00:04:47,252 --> 00:05:15,394\n我想我們發不管是過去的疫情期間的農油券跟現在的一個相關的農油券你認為這個有疫情的效果嗎?會提到民眾的意願嗎?兩個的樣態不一樣一個是在疫情,疫情的時候是當下大家緊張不敢出門那跟現在的花蓮地震是那個區域本身因為交通的關係讓其他的地區的人想進去進不去\n\n15\n00:05:15,714 --> 00:05:16,575\n這個操作上有它的困難度啦\n\n16\n00:05:39,094 --> 00:06:00,556\n可是你農油券沒有那個效益啊那你這樣子真正在幫助農民還是消費預算而已我想我們的相關這次的振興的券的部分我們會跟交通部、觀光局所以你還是堅持要用農油券我想內部的這些討論我希望你能夠考量用市價買農產品幫助他們產銷這才是最重要的比較實質性的好不好\n\n17\n00:06:01,861 --> 00:06:09,912\n接下來本席要幫我們張市長來表示一下因為針對我們農業部這個茶籍跟飲料做農作物的改良過去有傳出說要遷職那目前的進度是怎麼樣\n\n18\n00:06:16,857 --> 00:06:17,197\n部長,我不熟悉齁\n\n19\n00:06:40,242 --> 00:06:51,148\n不是往南部移我們全台灣的茶產有南部也有北部尤其是北部桃園是最重要的地方所以我這次特別要針對茶改廠遷移的問題我們要來表達這五個理由不要牽場第一個理由就是桃園生根茶葉的依舊的歷史在民國前九年就已經成立了到現在121年的歷史是有非常歷史保存的價值\n\n20\n00:07:06,075 --> 00:07:09,338\n二、多元的茶文化尤其是高山茶還有我們當地的東方美人茶、烏龍茶、紅茶、綠茶等等這都是顯示我們桃園的茶文化是非常多元的發展第三項就是我們茶產業桃園是重要的農業的產業\n\n21\n00:07:24,912 --> 00:07:24,952\n臺灣北桃\n\n22\n00:08:01,778 --> 00:08:30,134\n就是我們推動的智慧農業建立了科技的茶莊這個是我們市政府在極力在推動的智慧茶園也鼓勵我們的茶農還有我們的茶園能夠導入智慧型的灌溉包括是微氣象感測這個裝置我們都有在裝作這科學的設備所以讓我們整個茶改廠的這個建立的這個多樣化跟多元性的智慧科技都因應在這個大的數據的收集如果被你遷移的話\n\n23\n00:08:31,175 --> 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