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00:02:54,702\n還是問一下,院長,中華文化接下來還會是臺灣的重要文化嗎?上次你很肯定,現在你會不會有點懷疑?當然是,當然是,中華文化是臺灣文化重要的內涵之一。內涵之一?之一,對。之一,還是之二?好,OK,不要太為難你。\n\n9\n00:02:57,343 --> 00:03:19,260\n那是中華文化其實我們上次有非常深入的探討這個文化其實在兩岸的關係之中現在講的就是說中華文化不是屬於廣義的中國的中華文化的那它是人類全世界人類的\n\n10\n00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:36,988\n這個說法有一點是你的錢就是大家的錢我的錢是我的錢,你的錢也是我的錢世界文化遺產的概念世界文化遺產的話世界大同這個很有世界大同財產的話跟資產的話是有一點點差異性\n\n11\n00:03:43,251 --> 00:04:11,414\n基於這裡我想最重要的是我們即將520上來的新政府怎麼看待故宮那最近就因為有一個新內閣的撤離會今天很多人在問那就是大家突然發現院長你沒有出席所以大家就傳說故宮要降級了那為什麼要\n\n12\n00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:33,538\n為什麼會有這一些傳言?因為其實在2020年的時候行政院就提出故宮的降級、隸屬於文化部的這一些說確實有在討論那原因就是其實在這裡故宮是一個文化的傳承\n\n13\n00:04:36,181 --> 00:04:51,700\n很重要的象徵還是只是一個博物館一個專業的博物館因為如果只是一個專業博物館列為部長級的閣議員的確在世界上也是蠻奇怪的\n\n14\n00:04:52,830 --> 00:05:15,527\n那請問院長可能嗎?可能會被有這種歸屬於文化博物院我第一個傳故宮降級行政院已改三期獨立法人的第一個字是傳因為跟故宮的很多那個國寶作品一樣寫傳的話那不一定就是真的不一定就是真的但是你自己的覺得呢?\n\n15\n00:05:16,067 --> 00:05:18,390\n沒有見面沒有出席搞不好是更好的事情喔搞不好是升級喔\n\n16\n00:05:34,095 --> 00:05:52,474\n會不會搞不好就是這個認為未來故宮要傳承更多的中華文化戰略的文化成為台灣重要戰略統戰大陸所以呢以故宮出發會不會有這種戰略的想法然後所以呢要把故宮改曆屬總統府\n\n17\n00:05:56,671 --> 00:06:05,453\n有可能嗎?這種預測基本上來講的話是我沒有辦法想像因為傳說故宮隸屬過總統府但是從來都沒有你自己比較覺得可能會發生的\n\n18\n00:06:14,175 --> 00:06:43,241\n不是因為個人位置的問題不是氣流的問題可是以目前故宮的狀況來講的話保留現狀的話讓它有一個穩定的發展過程的話我覺得是比較對故宮來講比較有利的因為現在在做工程現在在做庫房的改造然後空間的重新定位然後還要改箱違規然後接下來要盤點如果我們去做比較變動比較大的組織改造的話會比較不好\n\n19\n00:06:45,999 --> 00:07:12,897\n維持現狀保持模糊一中各表反正就是這種模糊都很但是問題是新政府不曉得願不願意這樣做我想故宮院長的位置的棄由是長官決定那整個故宮的定位的話未來也是行政院決定那另外的話他一定要經過大院審議通過所以這個部分的話我只能做這樣的一個表示\n\n20\n00:07:13,917 --> 00:07:38,850\n這個當然就是因為這個的模糊為什麼說剛才為故宮的同仁教區就是說你們真的會很辛苦因為你想要做專業樹易盡而風不止就是你要好好的做事情但是沒有人要讓你好好做事情那所以你要做任何事情都動輒得咎那OK包括你的建築\n\n21\n00:07:40,376 --> 00:07:40,956\n院長覺得呢?\n\n22\n00:08:02,421 --> 00:08:20,899\n故宮這個建築其實它已經變成是臺灣的一個地景甚至地標在全世界的話只要出現這樣的一個畫面的話大家都知道是國立故宮博物院所以它代表臺灣的一個整體的形象我想這個是毋庸置疑的\n\n23\n00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:42,650\n好,謝謝,所以這個我們跳過去,因為最近有這些爭議,包死博款的玻璃屋,故宮也嚴厲在外面的一個伸展,大家各方有不同的看法,那這個院長接下來要怎麼做?\n\n24\n00:08:43,977 --> 00:08:44,799\n新舊融合\n\n25\n00:08:59,258 --> 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