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00:02:04,803\n我跟委員報告其實就稻民的產業來講單一的品種種單一的品種反而不是好事遇到病狀害的時候沒有緩衝所以我們現在積極的在不同的地區推廣它特色的產品包括像美濃地區的高雄義士七一有沒有然後它的香米系統霧峰的香米的系統然後桃園的部分也有一些不同的品種那我們也會去研議說像農事所\n\n6\n00:02:06,804 --> 00:02:06,964\n蔡易餘蔡易餘蔡易餘\n\n7\n00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:40,011\n因為我們這裡長期間就是進台藍寨、一河南,他已經每一天就凍結,所以像他過去他的白糖肺就已經都有抗藥性了,所以他每一次的倒熱病就非常嚴重,所以過去有幾次的嚴重的倒熱病,\n\n8\n00:02:40,751 --> 00:02:57,155\n之後農民就會怕到,他怕到之後他就要改做抗藥性比較強的,也就是台農84號,台農84號他的抗藥性比較強,可是他的產量是沒有台南11號多。事實上我剛才感覺起來,在嘉義這裡,剛才變成好像只有這兩個選擇。\n\n9\n00:03:01,036 --> 00:03:26,529\n吼,阿妹你就選11號,阿不然你如果走北唐海你就選84號,阿84號沒辦法收工牛,阿所以農民大概也會覺得很失落,因為他覺得對他而言他沒有那麼強的銷售能力,他沒辦法賣給主營牛,他也希望交工牛比較多。阿轉變台農84號不可以交工牛,阿他如果要交工牛呢,他就選台南11號,阿選11號呢,就賭到北唐海,就夭壽嚴重。\n\n10\n00:03:30,165 --> 00:03:44,959\n所以部長我意思是說我們不應該我們農事所應該要推出更多品種讓他們有新的選擇啊為什麼我們在雲嘉這麼重要的這個稻米的生產基地勒看起來農民就只有這兩個選擇在那邊痛苦\n\n11\n00:03:48,844 --> 00:04:02,717\n這個部分我回去會要求農業實驗單位針對這些我們大的糧倉的產區,不論只有一個品種,這第一個。第二點就是說,本來是喔,以前我都農事做收定委員,他的品種抗病性很好。\n\n12\n00:04:03,357 --> 00:04:27,329\n但是他如果萬一早收的時候他的清免費會過高,所以造成一些後續的困擾,所以那時候才沒有考慮說納入公糧。但是在那個地區還有其他的品種是可以去推廣的,我想我們會更積極的去做這樣的一個處理。如果可以推廣,我覺得農民都很厲害啦,他們一定會找出一個最適當的種植的一個產品。\n\n13\n00:04:30,570 --> 00:04:35,473\n所以我們若提供他們覺得可以他們就會去請我意思是說你像台農84號已經撒出來十幾年了事實上這個很早就要確認說好我們若納入公糧就經營農民去請好你若怕說他的廁所他的收割的時候會產生一個比較早收割廁所的狀況這樣就要給他扶著了\n\n14\n00:04:57,524 --> 00:05:12,174\n而不是把他放著嘛我了解我們就把他放著然後這情況一直沒有改變我現在最不想看到就是說為什麼這樣雲嘉雲嘉南這樣的糧倉那他們一直是在做這個台南11號跟這個台農84號這兩個選項二則一然後各有優缺點\n\n15\n00:05:17,378 --> 00:05:17,518\n蔡易餘議員\n\n16\n00:05:36,657 --> 00:05:49,741\n阿這個品種怎麼樣讓跟產業結合我想我們後續會朝這方面去努力阿好我希望可以齁加速啦齁可以我們趕快看到一點成績阿第二個齁每天我們展廣場會我們有的講啦就是這個雜糧的問題啦\n\n17\n00:05:52,322 --> 00:06:18,743\n因為現在大家都在討論所謂供糧但是我們也知道整個農業部這幾年來很努力的就是要推廣防小育也就是說我們的糧食自給率應該要朝向說我們每次生產不夠都要靠進口的就是戰牛嘛、有米嘛甚至高粱嘛我們在提升這部分的一個種植的一個空間的時候事實上力道都不夠\n\n18\n00:06:19,824 --> 00:06:42,646\n啊這個力道不夠勒,就是說你種植雜糧的,他的收入永遠都比種植稻米的還要少。那這樣他們怎麼會有誘因勒?除了千千條件的一個限制之外,你若白白灌枯,可是你讓他種植雜糧,他的收入勒,不會輸於一般的稻農。這樣當然就有誘因啊,對於耍鬼啊。\n\n19\n00:06:43,905 --> 00:06:44,205\n是不是部長?\n\n20\n00:07:03,669 --> 00:07:23,814\n部長那個高粱的部分我們另外再談玉米的部分我現在也是在跟現在所有的進口玉米業者在談因為現在飼料進口大概是8塊多但是我們還是用9塊去收那我是希望說業者進口業者能夠有一些機制能夠來提高他們的收購價那\n\n21\n00:07:25,629 --> 00:07:50,206\n那個產品端的收購價能夠提高的時候,前端就有它的種植誘因。部長沒有那麼簡單啦,我覺得齁,應該要適度的要去檢討這個高科啦。對啦。你這個高科的東西齁,你就是保價這一塊啦。你如果這塊都沒條件,三十幾年來文風不動齁,事實上你對於整個種植玉米的誘因是一直沒辦法產生的。了解。那我本來有要列舉的這樣的一個成本,要在這算帳給部長聽,沒辦法時間的因素啦齁。\n\n22\n00:07:53,268 --> 00:08:14,509\n所以我要呈現的就是說你看起來現在整個成本吼你的身份一分多啦我現在來算吼存的都不要加什麼租金什麼就五千九百三十三十塊五千三十九百三十塊勒你如果算右邊啦一分多收九包收九包很厲害喔九包是六百三十公斤喔\n\n23\n00:08:15,510 --> 00:08:17,052\n我今天有米我賺起來我拿去買\n\n24\n00:08:40,775 --> 00:08:44,141\n我賣掉我拿到的錢比我進走的時候我開啟的身份更久\n\n25\n00:08:47,662 --> 00:08:47,842\n謝謝蔡委員謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n864\t25578\t請蔡易委員發言謝謝主席那我們是不是有請我們部長請陳部長也請我們署長那個農糧署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署\n26274\t52405\t部長事實上我昨天在嘉義就是役主那以及這個嘉義市農會我開了兩個公聽會那我們署署長都有全程那聽也聆聽很多農民的聲音那我擷取幾個比較我認為比較重要可以馬上跟部長來來做討論的第一個就是說現在我們整個農業部我們這個農事所\n55606\t71979\t也就是改良廠針對稻穀的一個新的一個種類新的種苗種類我感覺啦這幾年一直沒有推出比較大眾化會被農民接受的種類這幾年啦為什麼感覺上是沒有推出什麼那我要講的就是說\n82912\t94565\t部長你應該叫一下農民以現在雲家就是所謂稻米的大宗他們都在種的是哪幾種嗎?第一個就是大概就是 台南11號啦 台南11號嘛 台南11號 台南11號用多久啊?\n98829\t124803\t我跟委員報告其實就稻民的產業來講單一的品種種單一的品種反而不是好事遇到病狀害的時候沒有緩衝所以我們現在積極的在不同的地區推廣它特色的產品包括像美濃地區的高雄義士七一有沒有然後它的香米系統霧峰的香米的系統然後桃園的部分也有一些不同的品種那我們也會去研議說像農事所\n126804\t126964\t蔡易餘蔡易餘蔡易餘\n143200\t160011\t因為我們這裡長期間就是進台藍寨、一河南,他已經每一天就凍結,所以像他過去他的白糖肺就已經都有抗藥性了,所以他每一次的倒熱病就非常嚴重,所以過去有幾次的嚴重的倒熱病,\n160751\t177155\t之後農民就會怕到,他怕到之後他就要改做抗藥性比較強的,也就是台農84號,台農84號他的抗藥性比較強,可是他的產量是沒有台南11號多。事實上我剛才感覺起來,在嘉義這裡,剛才變成好像只有這兩個選擇。\n181036\t206529\t吼,阿妹你就選11號,阿不然你如果走北唐海你就選84號,阿84號沒辦法收工牛,阿所以農民大概也會覺得很失落,因為他覺得對他而言他沒有那麼強的銷售能力,他沒辦法賣給主營牛,他也希望交工牛比較多。阿轉變台農84號不可以交工牛,阿他如果要交工牛呢,他就選台南11號,阿選11號呢,就賭到北唐海,就夭壽嚴重。\n210165\t224959\t所以部長我意思是說我們不應該我們農事所應該要推出更多品種讓他們有新的選擇啊為什麼我們在雲嘉這麼重要的這個稻米的生產基地勒看起來農民就只有這兩個選擇在那邊痛苦\n228844\t242717\t這個部分我回去會要求農業實驗單位針對這些我們大的糧倉的產區,不論只有一個品種,這第一個。第二點就是說,本來是喔,以前我都農事做收定委員,他的品種抗病性很好。\n243357\t267329\t但是他如果萬一早收的時候他的清免費會過高,所以造成一些後續的困擾,所以那時候才沒有考慮說納入公糧。但是在那個地區還有其他的品種是可以去推廣的,我想我們會更積極的去做這樣的一個處理。如果可以推廣,我覺得農民都很厲害啦,他們一定會找出一個最適當的種植的一個產品。\n270570\t275473\t所以我們若提供他們覺得可以他們就會去請我意思是說你像台農84號已經撒出來十幾年了事實上這個很早就要確認說好我們若納入公糧就經營農民去請好你若怕說他的廁所他的收割的時候會產生一個比較早收割廁所的狀況這樣就要給他扶著了\n297524\t312174\t而不是把他放著嘛我了解我們就把他放著然後這情況一直沒有改變我現在最不想看到就是說為什麼這樣雲嘉雲嘉南這樣的糧倉那他們一直是在做這個台南11號跟這個台農84號這兩個選項二則一然後各有優缺點\n317378\t317518\t蔡易餘議員\n336657\t349741\t阿這個品種怎麼樣讓跟產業結合我想我們後續會朝這方面去努力阿好我希望可以齁加速啦齁可以我們趕快看到一點成績阿第二個齁每天我們展廣場會我們有的講啦就是這個雜糧的問題啦\n352322\t378743\t因為現在大家都在討論所謂供糧但是我們也知道整個農業部這幾年來很努力的就是要推廣防小育也就是說我們的糧食自給率應該要朝向說我們每次生產不夠都要靠進口的就是戰牛嘛、有米嘛甚至高粱嘛我們在提升這部分的一個種植的一個空間的時候事實上力道都不夠\n379824\t402646\t啊這個力道不夠勒,就是說你種植雜糧的,他的收入永遠都比種植稻米的還要少。那這樣他們怎麼會有誘因勒?除了千千條件的一個限制之外,你若白白灌枯,可是你讓他種植雜糧,他的收入勒,不會輸於一般的稻農。這樣當然就有誘因啊,對於耍鬼啊。\n403905\t404205\t是不是部長?\n423669\t443814\t部長那個高粱的部分我們另外再談玉米的部分我現在也是在跟現在所有的進口玉米業者在談因為現在飼料進口大概是8塊多但是我們還是用9塊去收那我是希望說業者進口業者能夠有一些機制能夠來提高他們的收購價那\n445629\t470206\t那個產品端的收購價能夠提高的時候,前端就有它的種植誘因。部長沒有那麼簡單啦,我覺得齁,應該要適度的要去檢討這個高科啦。對啦。你這個高科的東西齁,你就是保價這一塊啦。你如果這塊都沒條件,三十幾年來文風不動齁,事實上你對於整個種植玉米的誘因是一直沒辦法產生的。了解。那我本來有要列舉的這樣的一個成本,要在這算帳給部長聽,沒辦法時間的因素啦齁。\n473268\t494509\t所以我要呈現的就是說你看起來現在整個成本吼你的身份一分多啦我現在來算吼存的都不要加什麼租金什麼就五千九百三十三十塊五千三十九百三十塊勒你如果算右邊啦一分多收九包收九包很厲害喔九包是六百三十公斤喔\n495510\t497052\t我今天有米我賺起來我拿去買\n520775\t524141\t我賣掉我拿到的錢比我進走的時候我開啟的身份更久\n527662\t527842\t謝謝蔡委員謝謝\n","txt":"請蔡易委員發言謝謝主席那我們是不是有請我們部長請陳部長也請我們署長那個農糧署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署\n部長事實上我昨天在嘉義就是役主那以及這個嘉義市農會我開了兩個公聽會那我們署署長都有全程那聽也聆聽很多農民的聲音那我擷取幾個比較我認為比較重要可以馬上跟部長來來做討論的第一個就是說現在我們整個農業部我們這個農事所\n也就是改良廠針對稻穀的一個新的一個種類新的種苗種類我感覺啦這幾年一直沒有推出比較大眾化會被農民接受的種類這幾年啦為什麼感覺上是沒有推出什麼那我要講的就是說\n部長你應該叫一下農民以現在雲家就是所謂稻米的大宗他們都在種的是哪幾種嗎?第一個就是大概就是 台南11號啦 台南11號嘛 台南11號 台南11號用多久啊?\n我跟委員報告其實就稻民的產業來講單一的品種種單一的品種反而不是好事遇到病狀害的時候沒有緩衝所以我們現在積極的在不同的地區推廣它特色的產品包括像美濃地區的高雄義士七一有沒有然後它的香米系統霧峰的香米的系統然後桃園的部分也有一些不同的品種那我們也會去研議說像農事所\n蔡易餘蔡易餘蔡易餘\n因為我們這裡長期間就是進台藍寨、一河南,他已經每一天就凍結,所以像他過去他的白糖肺就已經都有抗藥性了,所以他每一次的倒熱病就非常嚴重,所以過去有幾次的嚴重的倒熱病,\n之後農民就會怕到,他怕到之後他就要改做抗藥性比較強的,也就是台農84號,台農84號他的抗藥性比較強,可是他的產量是沒有台南11號多。事實上我剛才感覺起來,在嘉義這裡,剛才變成好像只有這兩個選擇。\n吼,阿妹你就選11號,阿不然你如果走北唐海你就選84號,阿84號沒辦法收工牛,阿所以農民大概也會覺得很失落,因為他覺得對他而言他沒有那麼強的銷售能力,他沒辦法賣給主營牛,他也希望交工牛比較多。阿轉變台農84號不可以交工牛,阿他如果要交工牛呢,他就選台南11號,阿選11號呢,就賭到北唐海,就夭壽嚴重。\n所以部長我意思是說我們不應該我們農事所應該要推出更多品種讓他們有新的選擇啊為什麼我們在雲嘉這麼重要的這個稻米的生產基地勒看起來農民就只有這兩個選擇在那邊痛苦\n這個部分我回去會要求農業實驗單位針對這些我們大的糧倉的產區,不論只有一個品種,這第一個。第二點就是說,本來是喔,以前我都農事做收定委員,他的品種抗病性很好。\n但是他如果萬一早收的時候他的清免費會過高,所以造成一些後續的困擾,所以那時候才沒有考慮說納入公糧。但是在那個地區還有其他的品種是可以去推廣的,我想我們會更積極的去做這樣的一個處理。如果可以推廣,我覺得農民都很厲害啦,他們一定會找出一個最適當的種植的一個產品。\n所以我們若提供他們覺得可以他們就會去請我意思是說你像台農84號已經撒出來十幾年了事實上這個很早就要確認說好我們若納入公糧就經營農民去請好你若怕說他的廁所他的收割的時候會產生一個比較早收割廁所的狀況這樣就要給他扶著了\n而不是把他放著嘛我了解我們就把他放著然後這情況一直沒有改變我現在最不想看到就是說為什麼這樣雲嘉雲嘉南這樣的糧倉那他們一直是在做這個台南11號跟這個台農84號這兩個選項二則一然後各有優缺點\n蔡易餘議員\n阿這個品種怎麼樣讓跟產業結合我想我們後續會朝這方面去努力阿好我希望可以齁加速啦齁可以我們趕快看到一點成績阿第二個齁每天我們展廣場會我們有的講啦就是這個雜糧的問題啦\n因為現在大家都在討論所謂供糧但是我們也知道整個農業部這幾年來很努力的就是要推廣防小育也就是說我們的糧食自給率應該要朝向說我們每次生產不夠都要靠進口的就是戰牛嘛、有米嘛甚至高粱嘛我們在提升這部分的一個種植的一個空間的時候事實上力道都不夠\n啊這個力道不夠勒,就是說你種植雜糧的,他的收入永遠都比種植稻米的還要少。那這樣他們怎麼會有誘因勒?除了千千條件的一個限制之外,你若白白灌枯,可是你讓他種植雜糧,他的收入勒,不會輸於一般的稻農。這樣當然就有誘因啊,對於耍鬼啊。\n是不是部長?\n部長那個高粱的部分我們另外再談玉米的部分我現在也是在跟現在所有的進口玉米業者在談因為現在飼料進口大概是8塊多但是我們還是用9塊去收那我是希望說業者進口業者能夠有一些機制能夠來提高他們的收購價那\n那個產品端的收購價能夠提高的時候,前端就有它的種植誘因。部長沒有那麼簡單啦,我覺得齁,應該要適度的要去檢討這個高科啦。對啦。你這個高科的東西齁,你就是保價這一塊啦。你如果這塊都沒條件,三十幾年來文風不動齁,事實上你對於整個種植玉米的誘因是一直沒辦法產生的。了解。那我本來有要列舉的這樣的一個成本,要在這算帳給部長聽,沒辦法時間的因素啦齁。\n所以我要呈現的就是說你看起來現在整個成本吼你的身份一分多啦我現在來算吼存的都不要加什麼租金什麼就五千九百三十三十塊五千三十九百三十塊勒你如果算右邊啦一分多收九包收九包很厲害喔九包是六百三十公斤喔\n我今天有米我賺起來我拿去買\n我賣掉我拿到的錢比我進走的時候我開啟的身份更久\n謝謝蔡委員謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.864 --> 00:25.578\n請蔡易委員發言謝謝主席那我們是不是有請我們部長請陳部長也請我們署長那個農糧署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署署\n\n00:26.274 --> 00:52.405\n部長事實上我昨天在嘉義就是役主那以及這個嘉義市農會我開了兩個公聽會那我們署署長都有全程那聽也聆聽很多農民的聲音那我擷取幾個比較我認為比較重要可以馬上跟部長來來做討論的第一個就是說現在我們整個農業部我們這個農事所\n\n00:55.606 --> 01:11.979\n也就是改良廠針對稻穀的一個新的一個種類新的種苗種類我感覺啦這幾年一直沒有推出比較大眾化會被農民接受的種類這幾年啦為什麼感覺上是沒有推出什麼那我要講的就是說\n\n01:22.912 --> 01:34.565\n部長你應該叫一下農民以現在雲家就是所謂稻米的大宗他們都在種的是哪幾種嗎?第一個就是大概就是台南11號啦台南11號嘛台南11號台南11號用多久啊?\n\n01:38.829 --> 02:04.803\n我跟委員報告其實就稻民的產業來講單一的品種種單一的品種反而不是好事遇到病狀害的時候沒有緩衝所以我們現在積極的在不同的地區推廣它特色的產品包括像美濃地區的高雄義士七一有沒有然後它的香米系統霧峰的香米的系統然後桃園的部分也有一些不同的品種那我們也會去研議說像農事所\n\n02:06.804 --> 02:06.964\n蔡易餘蔡易餘蔡易餘\n\n02:23.200 --> 02:40.011\n因為我們這裡長期間就是進台藍寨、一河南,他已經每一天就凍結,所以像他過去他的白糖肺就已經都有抗藥性了,所以他每一次的倒熱病就非常嚴重,所以過去有幾次的嚴重的倒熱病,\n\n02:40.751 --> 02:57.155\n之後農民就會怕到,他怕到之後他就要改做抗藥性比較強的,也就是台農84號,台農84號他的抗藥性比較強,可是他的產量是沒有台南11號多。事實上我剛才感覺起來,在嘉義這裡,剛才變成好像只有這兩個選擇。\n\n03:01.036 --> 03:26.529\n吼,阿妹你就選11號,阿不然你如果走北唐海你就選84號,阿84號沒辦法收工牛,阿所以農民大概也會覺得很失落,因為他覺得對他而言他沒有那麼強的銷售能力,他沒辦法賣給主營牛,他也希望交工牛比較多。阿轉變台農84號不可以交工牛,阿他如果要交工牛呢,他就選台南11號,阿選11號呢,就賭到北唐海,就夭壽嚴重。\n\n03:30.165 --> 03:44.959\n所以部長我意思是說我們不應該我們農事所應該要推出更多品種讓他們有新的選擇啊為什麼我們在雲嘉這麼重要的這個稻米的生產基地勒看起來農民就只有這兩個選擇在那邊痛苦\n\n03:48.844 --> 04:02.717\n這個部分我回去會要求農業實驗單位針對這些我們大的糧倉的產區,不論只有一個品種,這第一個。第二點就是說,本來是喔,以前我都農事做收定委員,他的品種抗病性很好。\n\n04:03.357 --> 04:27.329\n但是他如果萬一早收的時候他的清免費會過高,所以造成一些後續的困擾,所以那時候才沒有考慮說納入公糧。但是在那個地區還有其他的品種是可以去推廣的,我想我們會更積極的去做這樣的一個處理。如果可以推廣,我覺得農民都很厲害啦,他們一定會找出一個最適當的種植的一個產品。\n\n04:30.570 --> 04:35.473\n所以我們若提供他們覺得可以他們就會去請我意思是說你像台農84號已經撒出來十幾年了事實上這個很早就要確認說好我們若納入公糧就經營農民去請好你若怕說他的廁所他的收割的時候會產生一個比較早收割廁所的狀況這樣就要給他扶著了\n\n04:57.524 --> 05:12.174\n而不是把他放著嘛我了解我們就把他放著然後這情況一直沒有改變我現在最不想看到就是說為什麼這樣雲嘉雲嘉南這樣的糧倉那他們一直是在做這個台南11號跟這個台農84號這兩個選項二則一然後各有優缺點\n\n05:17.378 --> 05:17.518\n蔡易餘議員\n\n05:36.657 --> 05:49.741\n阿這個品種怎麼樣讓跟產業結合我想我們後續會朝這方面去努力阿好我希望可以齁加速啦齁可以我們趕快看到一點成績阿第二個齁每天我們展廣場會我們有的講啦就是這個雜糧的問題啦\n\n05:52.322 --> 06:18.743\n因為現在大家都在討論所謂供糧但是我們也知道整個農業部這幾年來很努力的就是要推廣防小育也就是說我們的糧食自給率應該要朝向說我們每次生產不夠都要靠進口的就是戰牛嘛、有米嘛甚至高粱嘛我們在提升這部分的一個種植的一個空間的時候事實上力道都不夠\n\n06:19.824 --> 06:42.646\n啊這個力道不夠勒,就是說你種植雜糧的,他的收入永遠都比種植稻米的還要少。那這樣他們怎麼會有誘因勒?除了千千條件的一個限制之外,你若白白灌枯,可是你讓他種植雜糧,他的收入勒,不會輸於一般的稻農。這樣當然就有誘因啊,對於耍鬼啊。\n\n06:43.905 --> 06:44.205\n是不是部長?\n\n07:03.669 --> 07:23.814\n部長那個高粱的部分我們另外再談玉米的部分我現在也是在跟現在所有的進口玉米業者在談因為現在飼料進口大概是8塊多但是我們還是用9塊去收那我是希望說業者進口業者能夠有一些機制能夠來提高他們的收購價那\n\n07:25.629 --> 07:50.206\n那個產品端的收購價能夠提高的時候,前端就有它的種植誘因。部長沒有那麼簡單啦,我覺得齁,應該要適度的要去檢討這個高科啦。對啦。你這個高科的東西齁,你就是保價這一塊啦。你如果這塊都沒條件,三十幾年來文風不動齁,事實上你對於整個種植玉米的誘因是一直沒辦法產生的。了解。那我本來有要列舉的這樣的一個成本,要在這算帳給部長聽,沒辦法時間的因素啦齁。\n\n07:53.268 --> 08:14.509\n所以我要呈現的就是說你看起來現在整個成本吼你的身份一分多啦我現在來算吼存的都不要加什麼租金什麼就五千九百三十三十塊五千三十九百三十塊勒你如果算右邊啦一分多收九包收九包很厲害喔九包是六百三十公斤喔\n\n08:15.510 --> 08:17.052\n我今天有米我賺起來我拿去買\n\n08:40.775 --> 08:44.141\n我賣掉我拿到的錢比我進走的時候我開啟的身份更久\n\n08:47.662 --> 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