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00:01:21,201\n當一個院長是不是就是一個國保的守護者?當然是\n\n4\n00:01:24,795 --> 00:01:45,427\n接下來本席要再請教故宮的位階是非常重要本席都是全力以赴全國的民眾我相信也都全力以赴因為國寶是難能可貴我們要怎麼保護它所以故宮它是一個非常重要的一個機構是不是\n\n5\n00:01:46,544 --> 00:01:52,349\n對,所以故宮的位階當然不能下降,對不對?不能降級,對不對?在你擔任目前,你擔任院長,你的想法呢?故宮不能降級,是不是?\n\n6\n00:02:10,086 --> 00:02:35,041\n我也認為故宮目前維持形態的話是比較平順針對本題問題提問不能降級對不對對我們國家來講他是一個正面的所以故宮不能降級因為一個人如果心裡沒文化就等於沒靈魂啊對不對故宮的位階不能下降嘛對不對不能降級認不認同\n\n7\n00:02:37,741 --> 00:02:49,067\n我剛剛已經說明過了就是故宮的同仁包括我自己都是這樣的想法對你就直接回答院長你壓力不用大你不能壓力大到口無倫次啊對不對所以接下來本席要請教5月4號的策立營沒有唯獨沒有我們故宮院長這怎麼回事啊這個政府不重視我們的國保嗎\n\n8\n00:03:08,872 --> 00:03:10,274\n我們要面對的是大家舉國歡騰的百歲願慶\n\n9\n00:03:28,908 --> 00:03:37,880\n百歲願慶因為我們從1965年開始開館到現在好不容易百年這是國家舉騰歡喜的\n\n10\n00:03:39,707 --> 00:04:07,914\n我們準備好了嗎?目前的進度有按照你們可內控的範圍在進行嗎?我們已經有一個規劃但是這個計畫沒有盡早提出是因為它牽涉到預算的邊內金融的預算才會送出去如果預算還沒有送出去的話我們就去先是說我們要做哪些事情的話基本上來講的話所以本期請教就是在你目前你們的進度當中還是你們可控的範圍內嗎?當然\n\n11\n00:04:11,455 --> 00:04:20,159\n所以本席再請教為什麼大家都公布了只有故宮的院長不公布是因為這個政府認為故宮不重要嗎?\n\n12\n00:04:21,499 --> 00:04:44,136\n也不一定可能認為最重要放在後面也不一定你這一句話還是另外一個迂迴的想法喔最重要的放在最後面我想你這一句話讓我們故宮的員工心有戚戚焉所以不要再開玩笑你頻頻的笑頻頻的道歉這不是一個在國會殿堂應當有的行為跟舉止所以院長請問\n\n13\n00:04:51,681 --> 00:05:12,990\n本席也借到檢舉你們翠玉白菜等15件國寶借到南部去展出那這個紙筆距離國寶不到3公分3公分是多寬啊這樣子的行為對於我們的國寶人民的希望你認為你們問題出在哪裡雖然你極速的下降\n\n14\n00:05:18,442 --> 00:05:20,383\n本席不希望這樣國際的笑話被笑話\n\n15\n00:05:48,226 --> 00:05:56,028\n我們台灣這麼尊嚴這麼有氣質這麼有文化保護我們的國寶怎麼可以如此呢從3月到現在今天5月8號你要怎麼處置你要好好的處置因為這不能成為國際的笑話\n\n16\n00:06:11,994 --> 00:06:14,436\n故宮難管外包清潔人員上傳我們的庫房事件有沒有這回事啊\n\n17\n00:06:33,878 --> 00:06:59,865\n這個不是擅闖而是說故宮在清空庫房然後製作新的櫃架然後清潔人員進去清掃那當然沒有錯就是說所有的程序要進庫的人都要簽報到院長這邊簽報到首長這邊同意但是廠商私自換了兩個同仁那因為戴口罩的關係所以同仁沒有發覺這的確是廠商的一個惡意的行為這個我們會用採購法相關的條文來處理\n\n18\n00:07:03,206 --> 00:07:05,289\n哇院長你這麼回答內部鬥爭外部不知所措那我們故宮的國寶要怎麼辦\n\n19\n00:07:13,464 --> 00:07:40,667\n所有的程序都沒有照SOP流程那個清空的庫房基本上來講一般人是沒有辦法進入到文物的庫房那為什麼呢外包的清潔人員就可以進便宜形式啊不是便宜形式他本來就是在施工之後進去清掃這個是既定的一個程序而且清掃還要分兩次對啊但是他沒有照SOP流程啊院長你也不知道啊\n\n20\n00:07:41,889 --> 00:07:45,075\n把制度制定好除了制定制度而且要管控執行力嘛對不對\n\n21\n00:07:55,394 --> 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