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00:03:11,097\n那我們但是對於國人的認定上來說放在故宮都是非常非常重要的東西那今天又看到我們有這樣子的一個新聞我想今天你應該不只一位了啦相信很多的立委都非常關切這件事情我都覺得非常非常的讓我感嘆啦覺得說在這樣子的一個畫面真的是讓所有的國人都為之震撼\n\n9\n00:03:12,538 --> 00:03:27,628\n您可以想像國人現在的觀感嗎?院長一再強調這是一個嚴重的錯誤不能因為一小小的疏忽的話然後就是把故宮的形象毀一旦\n\n10\n00:03:28,479 --> 00:03:56,516\n我想現在不僅僅我們要面對的是相關人等的一個處分而已我們要的是未來不要再發生我們要的是未來不允許我們更希望每一個人慎重的面對每一個故宮裡面的文物甚至是國寶我想星期一本期在地方有行程我們有重大的考察\n\n11\n00:03:57,296 --> 00:03:59,217\n我先想請問一下我的選區有國立美術館您知道嗎\n\n12\n00:04:24,166 --> 00:04:51,053\n我原來就是國美館的館長是是是有沒有機會借給國美館展覽一下南美館可以國美館可不可以依照現在的故宮出遊區的辦法基本上是可以是可以的齁也希望您如果台中有需求能夠就近照顧台中但是現在我們看到的這個新聞事件典藏人員竟然直接在翠玉白菜旁邊簽名我想這個\n\n13\n00:04:54,474 --> 00:05:21,322\n氣務處長吳處長有說這個清點的程序照標準作業流程我想這些都是說辭今天我也不再探究這個說辭的內容我想我還是回到剛剛那句話故宮點手的是中華民國的文物資產尤其歷史文化傳承應該受到最嚴格最嚴格的一個監督我們看到的現在這樣的畫面我們希望未來\n\n14\n00:05:22,222 --> 00:05:42,211\n您要大刀闊斧的將這些SOP將這些未來的流程都把它定定的就猶如我們現在應該要克尊職守的一個憲法一樣的重要把這些規則流程把它當成是要進入\n\n15\n00:05:43,444 --> 00:06:10,289\n我們故宮每一個人員應該要克尊的一個憲法來保護著我們所有所有的文物還有國寶兩三年前故宮打破了三項文物前院長蘇貞昌說要把過去落伍的保存文化檢查方法好好改革才對得起整個文物的保存不是要改革嗎改革到哪裡了\n\n16\n00:06:11,365 --> 00:06:31,682\n故宮把文物送出去的策展已經不是第一次五月一號才要定SOP我想這件事情還是民眾在這個粉絲專頁爆料才可以知道這件事我們民眾真的對於這件事情都非常非常的膽戰心驚都非常愛惜國寶\n\n17\n00:06:33,303 --> 00:06:51,050\n今天您會站在這邊召委會排這樣子的一個專題我想也有相對應的一個希望重視我們回首所有故宮的復出跟所有的歷史到現在我們看到這個事件的發生我想整個\n\n18\n00:06:52,290 --> 00:07:07,475\n故宮不僅僅是在未來的展望我們更希望故宮應該要好好想想到底發生了什麼問題我們不要只是怪基層員工我們也應該要好好想想到底這些有沒有好好監督\n\n19\n00:07:08,155 --> 00:07:25,132\n流程改革這些長官到底誰應該要負責任難道這一次只是單純的典藏人員處罰完還是處長處罰完我想這部分都應該不是我們希望看到所有所有的面向\n\n20\n00:07:26,380 --> 00:07:45,698\n不是看到處罰就好啦我們要看到的是未來不會再發生未來能夠讓大家真的膽戰心驚去把這些文物出展的一個過程把它給完成好不好我們希望故宮從以前到現在已經歷清了三次的大清典民國40到43年\n\n21\n00:07:47,219 --> 00:07:59,393\n民國七十八到八十年民國九十七到一百零一年現在雖然之前都有二十年一次的全院大新年但鑒於故宮近年來對文物的頻頻不小心我認為是應該籌組一個小組盤點所有文物的狀況來做一個大\n\n22\n00:08:06,781 --> 00:08:34,586\n清點你們的一個SOP還有這些狀況好好的統整之後我們來做一個專案小組來如何規劃當然時間現在也非常的不足我要對你做一些相關的其他詢問但是我要講的是人力不足也是故宮現在我們看到的一個問題我們現在看到故宮僅有16人肩負維護70萬件的一個文物責任其實真的很不容易\n\n23\n00:08:35,475 --> 00:08:42,464\n我們這一點也要幫故宮講話但我們更希望人力不足到底現在該怎麼辦欲缺不補\n\n24\n00:08:43,598 --> 00:09:08,326\n根據檢察院的調查故宮檢任以上的部分職缺出缺兩年至四年後才可以進行人員的增補代表外界的餘力並非空虛來風我們希望原額授勸於人事行政總署故宮身為世界級的博物館擔負國內博物館的領頭羊之使命如何持續挹注優秀的人才確保國際的博物館地位與水準我希望這一週內能夠檢討報告給本辦公室院長可以嗎\n\n25\n00:09:13,546 --> 00:09:30,498\n可以跟委員報告一下故宮會記起教訓以後不會再換另外的話那個標準作業流程本來就有只是散落在過處所以我5月1號是把它整合到一個通則上面未來我們會出版一個手冊所以這個部分的話我們會積極來處理\n\n26\n00:09:32,346 --> 00:09:33,507\n我想博物館同仁的專業素養信念的話要再加強\n\n27\n00:09:52,409 --> 00:10:01,079\n好我想這個事件我們不需要再看到了好不好尤其對我們來說對不起每一件文物都是中華民國的國寶謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n3203\t3403\t有請院長\n9640\t32153\t好 院長好 院長今天的專題主題報告叫做回首百年放眼未來故宮定位與部會級博物館公共責任總檢討明年故宮要100年了理論上我覺得今天這個專報內容應該要涵蓋非常多面性甚至可以做一個歷史的總回顧但我們可以看到整個專題的報告只有15頁\n34514\t63061\t目錄卻只有前言故宮回應當代的社會責任具體的成果未來展望本席就簡單用幾句話來統整一下前言就是故宮官網裡面的成立嚴格及定位故宮回應當代社會責任具體的成果內容林立卻很鬆散反而讓人家覺得更找不到故宮的定位未來展望的內容則是非常短有提到希望用文化軟實力立足全球\n64081\t92343\t讓國立故宮博物院成為世界的故宮但具體要怎麼做沒有規劃沒有頭緒這份報告很像小學生前一天臨時要寫功課忘記寫了當天急救章向老師交代一下不知道是不是因為520要準備了我們現在不想認真去規劃520之後的事情總而言之整份報告我看起來空洞沒有什麼實質的內容有待改進那我也想跟你請問幾個問題\n94904\t108508\t2022年有這樣子的一個新聞報導放在故宮就是國寶嗎?專家證實翠玉白菜不是那我想請問一下到底現在翠玉白菜是不是?什麼國寶?\n117785\t136214\t人氣國寶啦齁在官網上我記得他的官網的這一個行業啊有稍微寫到他是國寶惠萃或者是相關的國寶典藏在這個網頁上所以在民眾的觀感就覺得這是國家的寶貝國寶\n137955\t163264\t那當然你們把它列為文物啦那這又讓我們再看到這個2022年相關的一個報導裡面都有提到有所謂的膠黃釉綠彩龍紋碗被打破那當時的故宮院長說這個是文物不是國寶那當然文物跟國寶有所謂的這個差別\n164244\t191097\t那我們但是對於國人的認定上來說放在故宮都是非常非常重要的東西那今天又看到我們有這樣子的一個新聞我想今天你應該不只一位了啦相信很多的立委都非常關切這件事情我都覺得非常非常的讓我感嘆啦覺得說在這樣子的一個畫面真的是讓所有的國人都為之震撼\n192538\t207628\t您可以想像國人現在的觀感嗎?院長一再強調這是一個嚴重的錯誤不能因為一小小的疏忽的話然後就是把故宮的形象毀一旦\n208479\t236516\t我想現在不僅僅我們要面對的是相關人等的一個處分而已我們要的是未來不要再發生我們要的是未來不允許我們更希望每一個人慎重的面對每一個故宮裡面的文物甚至是國寶我想星期一本期在地方有行程我們有重大的考察\n237296\t239217\t我先想請問一下我的選區有國立美術館您知道嗎\n264166\t291053\t我原來就是國美館的館長是是是有沒有機會借給國美館展覽一下南美館可以國美館可不可以依照現在的故宮出遊區的辦法基本上是可以是可以的齁也希望您如果台中有需求能夠就近照顧台中但是現在我們看到的這個新聞事件典藏人員竟然直接在翠玉白菜旁邊簽名我想這個\n294474\t321322\t氣務處長吳處長有說這個清點的程序照標準作業流程我想這些都是說辭今天我也不再探究這個說辭的內容我想我還是回到剛剛那句話故宮點手的是中華民國的文物資產尤其歷史文化傳承應該受到最嚴格最嚴格的一個監督我們看到的現在這樣的畫面我們希望未來\n322222\t342211\t您要大刀闊斧的將這些SOP將這些未來的流程都把它定定的就猶如我們現在應該要克尊職守的一個憲法一樣的重要把這些規則流程把它當成是要進入\n343444\t370289\t我們故宮每一個人員應該要克尊的一個憲法來保護著我們所有所有的文物還有國寶兩三年前故宮打破了三項文物前院長蘇貞昌說要把過去落伍的保存文化檢查方法好好改革才對得起整個文物的保存不是要改革嗎改革到哪裡了\n371365\t391682\t故宮把文物送出去的策展已經不是第一次五月一號才要定SOP我想這件事情還是民眾在這個粉絲專頁爆料才可以知道這件事我們民眾真的對於這件事情都非常非常的膽戰心驚都非常愛惜國寶\n393303\t411050\t今天您會站在這邊召委會排這樣子的一個專題我想也有相對應的一個希望重視我們回首所有故宮的復出跟所有的歷史到現在我們看到這個事件的發生我想整個\n412290\t427475\t故宮不僅僅是在未來的展望我們更希望故宮應該要好好想想到底發生了什麼問題我們不要只是怪基層員工我們也應該要好好想想到底這些有沒有好好監督\n428155\t445132\t流程改革這些長官到底誰應該要負責任難道這一次只是單純的典藏人員處罰完還是處長處罰完我想這部分都應該不是我們希望看到所有所有的面向\n446380\t465698\t不是看到處罰就好啦我們要看到的是未來不會再發生未來能夠讓大家真的膽戰心驚去把這些文物出展的一個過程把它給完成好不好我們希望故宮從以前到現在已經歷清了三次的大清典民國40到43年\n467219\t479393\t民國七十八到八十年民國九十七到一百零一年現在雖然之前都有二十年一次的全院大新年但鑒於故宮近年來對文物的頻頻不小心我認為是應該籌組一個小組盤點所有文物的狀況來做一個大\n486781\t514586\t清點你們的一個SOP還有這些狀況好好的統整之後我們來做一個專案小組來如何規劃當然時間現在也非常的不足我要對你做一些相關的其他詢問但是我要講的是人力不足也是故宮現在我們看到的一個問題我們現在看到故宮僅有16人肩負維護70萬件的一個文物責任其實真的很不容易\n515475\t522464\t我們這一點也要幫故宮講話但我們更希望人力不足到底現在該怎麼辦欲缺不補\n523598\t548326\t根據檢察院的調查故宮檢任以上的部分職缺出缺兩年至四年後才可以進行人員的增補代表外界的餘力並非空虛來風我們希望原額授勸於人事行政總署故宮身為世界級的博物館擔負國內博物館的領頭羊之使命如何持續挹注優秀的人才確保國際的博物館地位與水準我希望這一週內能夠檢討報告給本辦公室院長可以嗎\n553546\t570498\t可以跟委員報告一下故宮會記起教訓以後不會再換另外的話那個標準作業流程本來就有只是散落在過處所以我5月1號是把它整合到一個通則上面未來我們會出版一個手冊所以這個部分的話我們會積極來處理\n572346\t573507\t我想博物館同仁的專業素養信念的話要再加強\n592409\t601079\t好我想這個事件我們不需要再看到了好不好尤其對我們來說對不起每一件文物都是中華民國的國寶謝謝\n","txt":"有請院長\n好 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院長今天的專題主題報告叫做回首百年放眼未來故宮定位與部會級博物館公共責任總檢討明年故宮要100年了理論上我覺得今天這個專報內容應該要涵蓋非常多面性甚至可以做一個歷史的總回顧但我們可以看到整個專題的報告只有15頁\n目錄卻只有前言故宮回應當代的社會責任具體的成果未來展望本席就簡單用幾句話來統整一下前言就是故宮官網裡面的成立嚴格及定位故宮回應當代社會責任具體的成果內容林立卻很鬆散反而讓人家覺得更找不到故宮的定位未來展望的內容則是非常短有提到希望用文化軟實力立足全球\n讓國立故宮博物院成為世界的故宮但具體要怎麼做沒有規劃沒有頭緒這份報告很像小學生前一天臨時要寫功課忘記寫了當天急救章向老師交代一下不知道是不是因為520要準備了我們現在不想認真去規劃520之後的事情總而言之整份報告我看起來空洞沒有什麼實質的內容有待改進那我也想跟你請問幾個問題\n2022年有這樣子的一個新聞報導放在故宮就是國寶嗎?專家證實翠玉白菜不是那我想請問一下到底現在翠玉白菜是不是?什麼國寶?\n人氣國寶啦齁在官網上我記得他的官網的這一個行業啊有稍微寫到他是國寶惠萃或者是相關的國寶典藏在這個網頁上所以在民眾的觀感就覺得這是國家的寶貝國寶\n那當然你們把它列為文物啦那這又讓我們再看到這個2022年相關的一個報導裡面都有提到有所謂的膠黃釉綠彩龍紋碗被打破那當時的故宮院長說這個是文物不是國寶那當然文物跟國寶有所謂的這個差別\n那我們但是對於國人的認定上來說放在故宮都是非常非常重要的東西那今天又看到我們有這樣子的一個新聞我想今天你應該不只一位了啦相信很多的立委都非常關切這件事情我都覺得非常非常的讓我感嘆啦覺得說在這樣子的一個畫面真的是讓所有的國人都為之震撼\n您可以想像國人現在的觀感嗎?院長一再強調這是一個嚴重的錯誤不能因為一小小的疏忽的話然後就是把故宮的形象毀一旦\n我想現在不僅僅我們要面對的是相關人等的一個處分而已我們要的是未來不要再發生我們要的是未來不允許我們更希望每一個人慎重的面對每一個故宮裡面的文物甚至是國寶我想星期一本期在地方有行程我們有重大的考察\n我先想請問一下我的選區有國立美術館您知道嗎\n我原來就是國美館的館長是是是有沒有機會借給國美館展覽一下南美館可以國美館可不可以依照現在的故宮出遊區的辦法基本上是可以是可以的齁也希望您如果台中有需求能夠就近照顧台中但是現在我們看到的這個新聞事件典藏人員竟然直接在翠玉白菜旁邊簽名我想這個\n氣務處長吳處長有說這個清點的程序照標準作業流程我想這些都是說辭今天我也不再探究這個說辭的內容我想我還是回到剛剛那句話故宮點手的是中華民國的文物資產尤其歷史文化傳承應該受到最嚴格最嚴格的一個監督我們看到的現在這樣的畫面我們希望未來\n您要大刀闊斧的將這些SOP將這些未來的流程都把它定定的就猶如我們現在應該要克尊職守的一個憲法一樣的重要把這些規則流程把它當成是要進入\n我們故宮每一個人員應該要克尊的一個憲法來保護著我們所有所有的文物還有國寶兩三年前故宮打破了三項文物前院長蘇貞昌說要把過去落伍的保存文化檢查方法好好改革才對得起整個文物的保存不是要改革嗎改革到哪裡了\n故宮把文物送出去的策展已經不是第一次五月一號才要定SOP我想這件事情還是民眾在這個粉絲專頁爆料才可以知道這件事我們民眾真的對於這件事情都非常非常的膽戰心驚都非常愛惜國寶\n今天您會站在這邊召委會排這樣子的一個專題我想也有相對應的一個希望重視我們回首所有故宮的復出跟所有的歷史到現在我們看到這個事件的發生我想整個\n故宮不僅僅是在未來的展望我們更希望故宮應該要好好想想到底發生了什麼問題我們不要只是怪基層員工我們也應該要好好想想到底這些有沒有好好監督\n流程改革這些長官到底誰應該要負責任難道這一次只是單純的典藏人員處罰完還是處長處罰完我想這部分都應該不是我們希望看到所有所有的面向\n不是看到處罰就好啦我們要看到的是未來不會再發生未來能夠讓大家真的膽戰心驚去把這些文物出展的一個過程把它給完成好不好我們希望故宮從以前到現在已經歷清了三次的大清典民國40到43年\n民國七十八到八十年民國九十七到一百零一年現在雖然之前都有二十年一次的全院大新年但鑒於故宮近年來對文物的頻頻不小心我認為是應該籌組一個小組盤點所有文物的狀況來做一個大\n清點你們的一個SOP還有這些狀況好好的統整之後我們來做一個專案小組來如何規劃當然時間現在也非常的不足我要對你做一些相關的其他詢問但是我要講的是人力不足也是故宮現在我們看到的一個問題我們現在看到故宮僅有16人肩負維護70萬件的一個文物責任其實真的很不容易\n我們這一點也要幫故宮講話但我們更希望人力不足到底現在該怎麼辦欲缺不補\n根據檢察院的調查故宮檢任以上的部分職缺出缺兩年至四年後才可以進行人員的增補代表外界的餘力並非空虛來風我們希望原額授勸於人事行政總署故宮身為世界級的博物館擔負國內博物館的領頭羊之使命如何持續挹注優秀的人才確保國際的博物館地位與水準我希望這一週內能夠檢討報告給本辦公室院長可以嗎\n可以跟委員報告一下故宮會記起教訓以後不會再換另外的話那個標準作業流程本來就有只是散落在過處所以我5月1號是把它整合到一個通則上面未來我們會出版一個手冊所以這個部分的話我們會積極來處理\n我想博物館同仁的專業素養信念的話要再加強\n好我想這個事件我們不需要再看到了好不好尤其對我們來說對不起每一件文物都是中華民國的國寶謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.203 --> 00:03.403\n有請院長\n\n00:09.640 --> 00:32.153\n好院長好院長今天的專題主題報告叫做回首百年放眼未來故宮定位與部會級博物館公共責任總檢討明年故宮要100年了理論上我覺得今天這個專報內容應該要涵蓋非常多面性甚至可以做一個歷史的總回顧但我們可以看到整個專題的報告只有15頁\n\n00:34.514 --> 01:03.061\n目錄卻只有前言故宮回應當代的社會責任具體的成果未來展望本席就簡單用幾句話來統整一下前言就是故宮官網裡面的成立嚴格及定位故宮回應當代社會責任具體的成果內容林立卻很鬆散反而讓人家覺得更找不到故宮的定位未來展望的內容則是非常短有提到希望用文化軟實力立足全球\n\n01:04.081 --> 01:32.343\n讓國立故宮博物院成為世界的故宮但具體要怎麼做沒有規劃沒有頭緒這份報告很像小學生前一天臨時要寫功課忘記寫了當天急救章向老師交代一下不知道是不是因為520要準備了我們現在不想認真去規劃520之後的事情總而言之整份報告我看起來空洞沒有什麼實質的內容有待改進那我也想跟你請問幾個問題\n\n01:34.904 --> 01:48.508\n2022年有這樣子的一個新聞報導放在故宮就是國寶嗎?專家證實翠玉白菜不是那我想請問一下到底現在翠玉白菜是不是?什麼國寶?\n\n01:57.785 --> 02:16.214\n人氣國寶啦齁在官網上我記得他的官網的這一個行業啊有稍微寫到他是國寶惠萃或者是相關的國寶典藏在這個網頁上所以在民眾的觀感就覺得這是國家的寶貝國寶\n\n02:17.955 --> 02:43.264\n那當然你們把它列為文物啦那這又讓我們再看到這個2022年相關的一個報導裡面都有提到有所謂的膠黃釉綠彩龍紋碗被打破那當時的故宮院長說這個是文物不是國寶那當然文物跟國寶有所謂的這個差別\n\n02:44.244 --> 03:11.097\n那我們但是對於國人的認定上來說放在故宮都是非常非常重要的東西那今天又看到我們有這樣子的一個新聞我想今天你應該不只一位了啦相信很多的立委都非常關切這件事情我都覺得非常非常的讓我感嘆啦覺得說在這樣子的一個畫面真的是讓所有的國人都為之震撼\n\n03:12.538 --> 03:27.628\n您可以想像國人現在的觀感嗎?院長一再強調這是一個嚴重的錯誤不能因為一小小的疏忽的話然後就是把故宮的形象毀一旦\n\n03:28.479 --> 03:56.516\n我想現在不僅僅我們要面對的是相關人等的一個處分而已我們要的是未來不要再發生我們要的是未來不允許我們更希望每一個人慎重的面對每一個故宮裡面的文物甚至是國寶我想星期一本期在地方有行程我們有重大的考察\n\n03:57.296 --> 03:59.217\n我先想請問一下我的選區有國立美術館您知道嗎\n\n04:24.166 --> 04:51.053\n我原來就是國美館的館長是是是有沒有機會借給國美館展覽一下南美館可以國美館可不可以依照現在的故宮出遊區的辦法基本上是可以是可以的齁也希望您如果台中有需求能夠就近照顧台中但是現在我們看到的這個新聞事件典藏人員竟然直接在翠玉白菜旁邊簽名我想這個\n\n04:54.474 --> 05:21.322\n氣務處長吳處長有說這個清點的程序照標準作業流程我想這些都是說辭今天我也不再探究這個說辭的內容我想我還是回到剛剛那句話故宮點手的是中華民國的文物資產尤其歷史文化傳承應該受到最嚴格最嚴格的一個監督我們看到的現在這樣的畫面我們希望未來\n\n05:22.222 --> 05:42.211\n您要大刀闊斧的將這些SOP將這些未來的流程都把它定定的就猶如我們現在應該要克尊職守的一個憲法一樣的重要把這些規則流程把它當成是要進入\n\n05:43.444 --> 06:10.289\n我們故宮每一個人員應該要克尊的一個憲法來保護著我們所有所有的文物還有國寶兩三年前故宮打破了三項文物前院長蘇貞昌說要把過去落伍的保存文化檢查方法好好改革才對得起整個文物的保存不是要改革嗎改革到哪裡了\n\n06:11.365 --> 06:31.682\n故宮把文物送出去的策展已經不是第一次五月一號才要定SOP我想這件事情還是民眾在這個粉絲專頁爆料才可以知道這件事我們民眾真的對於這件事情都非常非常的膽戰心驚都非常愛惜國寶\n\n06:33.303 --> 06:51.050\n今天您會站在這邊召委會排這樣子的一個專題我想也有相對應的一個希望重視我們回首所有故宮的復出跟所有的歷史到現在我們看到這個事件的發生我想整個\n\n06:52.290 --> 07:07.475\n故宮不僅僅是在未來的展望我們更希望故宮應該要好好想想到底發生了什麼問題我們不要只是怪基層員工我們也應該要好好想想到底這些有沒有好好監督\n\n07:08.155 --> 07:25.132\n流程改革這些長官到底誰應該要負責任難道這一次只是單純的典藏人員處罰完還是處長處罰完我想這部分都應該不是我們希望看到所有所有的面向\n\n07:26.380 --> 07:45.698\n不是看到處罰就好啦我們要看到的是未來不會再發生未來能夠讓大家真的膽戰心驚去把這些文物出展的一個過程把它給完成好不好我們希望故宮從以前到現在已經歷清了三次的大清典民國40到43年\n\n07:47.219 --> 07:59.393\n民國七十八到八十年民國九十七到一百零一年現在雖然之前都有二十年一次的全院大新年但鑒於故宮近年來對文物的頻頻不小心我認為是應該籌組一個小組盤點所有文物的狀況來做一個大\n\n08:06.781 --> 08:34.586\n清點你們的一個SOP還有這些狀況好好的統整之後我們來做一個專案小組來如何規劃當然時間現在也非常的不足我要對你做一些相關的其他詢問但是我要講的是人力不足也是故宮現在我們看到的一個問題我們現在看到故宮僅有16人肩負維護70萬件的一個文物責任其實真的很不容易\n\n08:35.475 --> 08:42.464\n我們這一點也要幫故宮講話但我們更希望人力不足到底現在該怎麼辦欲缺不補\n\n08:43.598 --> 09:08.326\n根據檢察院的調查故宮檢任以上的部分職缺出缺兩年至四年後才可以進行人員的增補代表外界的餘力並非空虛來風我們希望原額授勸於人事行政總署故宮身為世界級的博物館擔負國內博物館的領頭羊之使命如何持續挹注優秀的人才確保國際的博物館地位與水準我希望這一週內能夠檢討報告給本辦公室院長可以嗎\n\n09:13.546 --> 09:30.498\n可以跟委員報告一下故宮會記起教訓以後不會再換另外的話那個標準作業流程本來就有只是散落在過處所以我5月1號是把它整合到一個通則上面未來我們會出版一個手冊所以這個部分的話我們會積極來處理\n\n09:32.346 --> 09:33.507\n我想博物館同仁的專業素養信念的話要再加強\n\n09:52.409 --> 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