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人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第六條條文修正草案」\n案；六、審查委員羅美玲等18人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第六\n條條文修正草案」案；七、審查委員呂玉玲等19人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補\n助費補助條例第六條條文修正草案」案；八、審查委員吳思瑤等17人擬具「地方民意代表費用支\n給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第六條條文修正草案」案；九、審查委員陳超明等18人擬具「地\n方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例增訂第七條之一條文草案」案；十、審查委員\n李柏毅等17人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第六條條文修正草案」\n案；十一、審查委員黃健豪等17人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例增\n訂第七條之一條文草案」案；十二、審查委員徐巧芯等28人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里\n長事務補助費補助條例第六條條文修正草案」案；十三、審查委員莊瑞雄等18人擬具「地方民意\n代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第六條條文修正草案」案；十四、審查委員高金素梅\n等29人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第七條條文修正草案」案；十\n五、審查委員林思銘等26人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第六條條\n文修正草案」案；十六、審查委員王美惠等17人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助\n費補助條例第六條條文修正草案」案；十七、審查委員盧縣一等19人擬具「地方民意代表費用支\n給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第六條、第七條及第九條條文修正草案」案；十八、審查委員蔡\n易餘等 19 人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第六條條文修正草案」\n案；十九、審查委員范雲等17人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第六\n條條文修正草案」案；二十、審查委員許宇甄等16人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務\n補助費補助條例第七條條文修正草案」案；二十一、審查委員黃秀芳等19人擬具「地方民意代表\n費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第六條條文修正草案」案；二十二、審查委員鍾佳濱等27\n人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第六條條文修正草案」案；二十\n三、審查委員陳瑩等17人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第五條、第\n六條及第七條條文修正草案」案；二十四、審查委員伍麗華 Saidhai Tahovecahe 等 17 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00:02:54,496\n這個大會怎麼討論還有我們要不要納入部分工時這個大會怎麼討論還有我們的人數限制要不要放進來這個大會怎麼討論還有村里長在被抽出的版本沒有村里長的這個事務補助費的春節慰問金這個大會怎麼討論還有\n\n9\n00:03:00,765 --> 00:03:19,442\n原民議員因為交通不便的這個事務補助費的加級這個大會怎麼討論所以也很感謝我們內政委員會今天可以等一下大家進入這個主條來主條的來審議我們的每一項的提案\n\n10\n00:03:22,317 --> 00:03:46,818\n市長你同意說201616年到2024年基本薪資已經加到37%公務員的部分也已經增加17%這個助理費的調整內政部在我們委員提出來的版本之後才提出來的版本方向上有沒有一致還是\n\n11\n00:03:48,219 --> 00:04:04,612\n如同我們剛剛講的可能還有部分工時可能還有我們希望把它制度化讓未來公務員他有調薪的時候讓我們的這個助理費甚至里長的事務補助費有沒有要一併的併入這個制度來討論的這個空間跟方向\n\n12\n00:04:08,725 --> 00:04:37,486\n好謝謝委員的指教也謝謝委員的關心我想這個案子就像我剛剛講大家都有一致的共識但對於這個院版的條件當然等一下我們會去討論那我剛講的齁到底這個金額從24萬上限到我們已經加了37%變成32.88萬那現在院版我們知道提出來的大概是在30萬但是我們希望是一定要加上就是說我們也不可能期待兩年後的委員會\n\n13\n00:04:38,319 --> 00:05:02,521\n他因為這個公務人員基本性是增加的時候委員會就會自己提出來說那我們再幫這些助理來增加這些費用社會也不會接受那是不是一併的可以來放入這個條文裡面因為這個是我們希望能建立這個固定的這個機制不能因為說這個其他狀況比如說事務會在這一次我們並沒有把他納到這個公務人員條例\n\n14\n00:05:05,017 --> 00:05:05,217\n李長說沒有啊\n\n15\n00:05:33,154 --> 00:05:33,254\n最後﹖\n\n16\n00:05:53,735 --> 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