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Kacaw","黃國昌","洪孟楷","鍾佳濱","羅智強","黃珊珊","邱鎮軍","邱志偉","張嘉郡","黃仁","范雲","吳思瑤"],"page_start":69,"meetingDate":["2024-05-08"],"gazette_id":"1134201","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1134201_00003"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第1會期內政委員會第17次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、審查委員楊瓊瓔等20人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第六條條\n文修正草案」案；二、審查委員黃捷等22人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補\n助條例第六條條文修正草案」案；三、審查委員吳沛憶等20人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村\n里長事務補助費補助條例第六條條文修正草案」案；四、審查委員鄭天財 Sra Kacaw 等19人擬具\n「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例部分條文修正草案」案；五、審查委員羅\n智強等 25 人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第六條條文修正草案」\n案；六、審查委員羅美玲等18人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第六\n條條文修正草案」案；七、審查委員呂玉玲等19人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補\n助費補助條例第六條條文修正草案」案；八、審查委員吳思瑤等17人擬具「地方民意代表費用支\n給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第六條條文修正草案」案；九、審查委員陳超明等18人擬具「地\n方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例增訂第七條之一條文草案」案；十、審查委員\n李柏毅等17人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第六條條文修正草案」\n案；十一、審查委員黃健豪等17人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例增\n訂第七條之一條文草案」案；十二、審查委員徐巧芯等28人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里\n長事務補助費補助條例第六條條文修正草案」案；十三、審查委員莊瑞雄等18人擬具「地方民意\n代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第六條條文修正草案」案；十四、審查委員高金素梅\n等29人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第七條條文修正草案」案；十\n五、審查委員林思銘等26人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第六條條\n文修正草案」案；十六、審查委員王美惠等17人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助\n費補助條例第六條條文修正草案」案；十七、審查委員盧縣一等19人擬具「地方民意代表費用支\n給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第六條、第七條及第九條條文修正草案」案；十八、審查委員蔡\n易餘等 19 人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第六條條文修正草案」\n案；十九、審查委員范雲等17人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第六\n條條文修正草案」案；二十、審查委員許宇甄等16人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務\n補助費補助條例第七條條文修正草案」案；二十一、審查委員黃秀芳等19人擬具「地方民意代表\n費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第六條條文修正草案」案；二十二、審查委員鍾佳濱等27\n人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第六條條文修正草案」案；二十\n三、審查委員陳瑩等17人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第五條、第\n六條及第七條條文修正草案」案；二十四、審查委員伍麗華 Saidhai Tahovecahe 等 17 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00:02:17,680\n在原住民議員跟村里長的部分我要感謝部長非常記得原住民地區要是服務轄區範圍比較大啦交通非常不便增加補助但是這次您知道嗎我們原住民地區的村里長事務補助費還有議員的衛民服務費按照你們的宣布就是告訴民眾你們要增加10%\n\n8\n00:02:20,222 --> 00:02:38,563\n請問一下增加10%的計算基準是什麼然後10%的補貼到底夠不夠用我要提醒一下政事就是即便是原鄉跟偏鄉我們原鄉跟偏鄉的各鄉的交通距離跟他的成本是有所不同的所以請問一下簡單回應\n\n9\n00:02:41,144 --> 00:02:53,071\n謝謝委員的關心,我想這一份幹委員指教都沒有錯,因為在原民這個地方每一個縣市的原民區都不進銷所以你們都是用比照10%這樣子來計算,例如如果按照你們來講直轄市議員我們增加到30萬的話,4萬增加到10%只有4千塊\n\n10\n00:03:04,918 --> 00:03:31,755\n然後縣市議員兩萬塊增加百分之十的話是兩千塊村里事務補助費五萬塊加百分之十就五千塊所以你覺得這樣夠嗎我們是不是等一下我們是不是因為時間的關係所以是不是我們等一下要討論我給你看一下按照我們的討論我現在用教育部的部分教育部當時我在教育文化委員會我就特別\n\n11\n00:03:32,495 --> 00:03:56,931\n把依據地理環境、交通狀況還有艱苦的沉頓這樣的因素制定在地域加急表裡面然後按照這個地域加急表裡面給予不同的補助加急那同時呢在今天的第8條裡面我有提到了我把這樣的精神放在我的版本的第8條處理這個曾慈寧知道嗎我的第8條所以你的意見對你的意見跟看法\n\n12\n00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:22,834\n這樣子才真正符合公平正義嘛對不對所以你在所謂的齊頭式的公平加上10%那原鄉跟偏鄉的這個交通都不太一樣啊屏東你從哪裡從山地門鄉或者是從獅子鄉好了山地門鄉他要再到他的那個服務選區你知道有多廣嗎\n\n13\n00:04:25,410 --> 00:04:52,471\n如果是各縣市聯名區的不管你用集聚好了你用這些來分配當然如果現在要這樣分配的話必須要有一個配套的一個方案出來對所以我在第8條有提出來因為交通地理環境不同所以我們給他加級表然後讓他有一個對照好不好然後同時我也要求村里長的事務補助費必須要按照消費者物價指數來適時的調整\n\n14\n00:04:54,692 --> 00:05:07,922\n總不能每一次任何一個行政院長上來任何一個部長上來要討好選民我們就每一次修法你認為這樣子合不合理我想單純用消費者物價指示來調那這個變動有時候會太大\n\n15\n00:05:11,516 --> 00:05:27,688\n那所以我們為什麼要提說就比照這個公務人員的這個條件公務人員的條件他考慮的面向會比較多一點等一下我們繼續討論好不好在主條的時候然後另外呢我對於支持議員補助費的條件包括助理議員的加班費\n\n16\n00:05:29,690 --> 00:05:47,531\n這個部分我是沒有意見的但是但是內政部看一下101年的意旨函是說如果有加班的事實應該在規定助理補助費之下去支應或由議員自行負擔你知道嗎這樣的函式結果\n\n17\n00:05:48,732 --> 00:06:16,861\n導致我們的地方議員徵送不斷所以您認為應該怎麼處理而且我看到你們的願板部長跟我討論的你們只有一句建立內部控制制度我認為這樣子一句話並沒有真的解決問題啊所以你認為在第6條我們要怎麼樣處理用什麼樣的文字才不會讓地方議員他會因為這樣的處理而有徵送的事件\n\n18\n00:06:17,540 --> 00:06:39,796\n是我想這一部分我們議會的內控制度我們是希望你不要再講內控制度了啦如果今天我們要修法是不是就應該要讓我們的地方的議員避免這樣的徵送的部分所以你待會要有心理準備我們會在這一條裡面讓行政院提出你們的文字版本好不好\n\n19\n00:06:40,376 --> 00:06:57,965\n最後我要為各縣市尤其是財政非常拮据的原鄉縣市來請命我們今天這些費用到底是中央買單還是地方自印我剛剛聽到部長在這邊回應剛剛還在的時候他說針對財政拮据的縣市他會專案處理是這樣嗎要怎麼專案處理\n\n20\n00:07:00,486 --> 00:07:13,951\n我想這一部分我剛才特別有提到就對於這些收支比較短差或者是比較窮的縣市那應該會有一個機制來做補貼那什麼樣的機制那這一部分可能要跟組總跟財政局你今天就要來組條咧你今天就要修法咧你都還要再跟他們討論原來我們的條案是沒有這一部分\n\n21\n00:07:21,034 --> 00:07:38,561\n對阿你今天來你只針對要討好村里長的部分你們並沒有真正的想要來解決問題阿政治所以今天部長不留下來我覺得他不留下來有很大的因素就是不願意真正去面對處理我們現在不管是議員不管是中央買單還是縣市買單\n\n22\n00:07:42,082 --> 00:07:56,713\n所以您待會要有心理準備不能夠再用我現在質詢您的態度來告訴我們在野的所有或者是所有的民進黨的委員我覺得這是不負責任的最後最後我要提醒您蔡英文總統在2018年說台灣的經濟目前處於過去20年來的最好的狀態\n\n23\n00:08:01,556 --> 00:08:05,558\n然後行政院長陳院長他也是在3月份的時候他也講整體的GDP大幅的成長我們的稅入稅出盈餘也很多然後呢會讓經濟越來越好我在想既然蔡政府都說這幾年經濟是非常好那麼是不是更應該要優先專案補助財政結局並且\n\n24\n00:08:24,946 --> 00:08:24,986\n主席\n\n25\n00:08:41,314 --> 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我想這一部分我們議會的內控制度我們是希望你不要再講內控制度了啦如果今天我們要修法是不是就應該要讓我們的地方的議員避免這樣的徵送的部分所以你待會要有心理準備我們會在這一條裡面讓行政院提出你們的文字版本好不好\n400376\t417965\t最後我要為各縣市尤其是財政非常拮据的原鄉縣市來請命我們今天這些費用到底是中央買單還是地方自印我剛剛聽到部長在這邊回應剛剛還在的時候他說針對財政拮据的縣市他會專案處理是這樣嗎要怎麼專案處理\n420486\t433951\t我想這一部分我剛才特別有提到就對於這些收支比較短差或者是比較窮的縣市那應該會有一個機制來做補貼那什麼樣的機制那這一部分可能要跟組總跟財政局你今天就要來組條咧你今天就要修法咧你都還要再跟他們討論原來我們的條案是沒有這一部分\n441034\t458561\t對阿你今天來你只針對要討好村里長的部分你們並沒有真正的想要來解決問題阿政治所以今天部長不留下來我覺得他不留下來有很大的因素就是不願意真正去面對處理我們現在不管是議員不管是中央買單還是縣市買單\n462082\t476713\t所以您待會要有心理準備不能夠再用我現在質詢您的態度來告訴我們在野的所有或者是所有的民進黨的委員我覺得這是不負責任的最後最後我要提醒您蔡英文總統在2018年說台灣的經濟目前處於過去20年來的最好的狀態\n481556\t485558\t然後行政院長陳院長他也是在3月份的時候他也講整體的GDP大幅的成長我們的稅入稅出盈餘也很多然後呢會讓經濟越來越好我在想既然蔡政府都說這幾年經濟是非常好那麼是不是更應該要優先專案補助財政結局並且\n504946\t504986\t主席\n521314\t522014\t好 謝謝我們高金素梅\n","txt":"好謝謝主席我們請這個政事\n我這次好好我們這次修正草案的重點您看一下有沒有錯地方民代我們調整醫院助理補助費還有他的用人的人數然後補助支應助理加班費等等的費用然後再來就是調整為民服務費那在村里長的部分呢我們是發給春節慰勞金然後還有另外一個部分就是我非常堅持的部分原住民的區域的特殊性的問題好這幾個\n今天要討論至於要加多少助理人員要加多少就是待會大家討論下來的結果那我特別要謝謝部長我以為他會留下來但是他離開了但是我必須要再提一下部長其實在3月8號的時候就來我辦公室拜訪我\n當時呢他就同意地方民意代表費用支給及村里事務補助費補助條例的修法方向就是我剛剛跟你講的那三大塊然後在10月18號在這個地方我也質詢了部長的時候我針對議員還有村里長的費用\n主席的部分部長也承諾我在一個月要提出修法跟改善方案所以我是召委我本來在一個月之後就要提了今天吳召委提了但是我比較遺憾的是既然我在3月8號已經跟部長談到這個部分的公平正義的問題但是今天行政院的版本還是沒有列入討論\n這是我感到非常遺憾的部分反而是我們的民意代表在這邊非常的認真用功行政院並沒有版本所以待會兒討論的時候我們並沒有行政院版本作為依據這是比較遺憾的部分另外\n在原住民議員跟村里長的部分我要感謝部長非常記得原住民地區要是服務轄區範圍比較大啦交通非常不便增加補助但是這次您知道嗎我們原住民地區的村里長事務補助費還有議員的衛民服務費按照你們的宣布就是告訴民眾你們要增加10%\n請問一下增加10%的計算基準是什麼然後10%的補貼到底夠不夠用我要提醒一下政事就是即便是原鄉跟偏鄉我們原鄉跟偏鄉的各鄉的交通距離跟他的成本是有所不同的所以請問一下簡單回應\n謝謝委員的關心,我想這一份幹委員指教都沒有錯,因為在原民這個地方每一個縣市的原民區都不進銷所以你們都是用比照10%這樣子來計算,例如如果按照你們來講直轄市議員我們增加到30萬的話,4萬增加到10%只有4千塊\n然後縣市議員兩萬塊增加百分之十的話是兩千塊村里事務補助費五萬塊加百分之十就五千塊所以你覺得這樣夠嗎我們是不是等一下我們是不是因為時間的關係所以是不是我們等一下要討論我給你看一下按照我們的討論我現在用教育部的部分教育部當時我在教育文化委員會我就特別\n把依據地理環境、交通狀況還有艱苦的沉頓這樣的因素制定在地域加急表裡面然後按照這個地域加急表裡面給予不同的補助加急那同時呢在今天的第8條裡面我有提到了我把這樣的精神放在我的版本的第8條處理這個曾慈寧知道嗎我的第8條所以你的意見對你的意見跟看法\n這樣子才真正符合公平正義嘛對不對所以你在所謂的齊頭式的公平加上10%那原鄉跟偏鄉的這個交通都不太一樣啊屏東你從哪裡從山地門鄉或者是從獅子鄉好了山地門鄉他要再到他的那個服務選區你知道有多廣嗎\n如果是各縣市聯名區的不管你用集聚好了你用這些來分配當然如果現在要這樣分配的話必須要有一個配套的一個方案出來對所以我在第8條有提出來因為交通地理環境不同所以我們給他加級表然後讓他有一個對照好不好然後同時我也要求村里長的事務補助費必須要按照消費者物價指數來適時的調整\n總不能每一次任何一個行政院長上來任何一個部長上來要討好選民我們就每一次修法你認為這樣子合不合理我想單純用消費者物價指示來調那這個變動有時候會太大\n那所以我們為什麼要提說就比照這個公務人員的這個條件公務人員的條件他考慮的面向會比較多一點等一下我們繼續討論好不好在主條的時候然後另外呢我對於支持議員補助費的條件包括助理議員的加班費\n這個部分我是沒有意見的但是但是內政部看一下101年的意旨函是說如果有加班的事實應該在規定助理補助費之下去支應或由議員自行負擔你知道嗎這樣的函式結果\n導致我們的地方議員徵送不斷所以您認為應該怎麼處理而且我看到你們的願板部長跟我討論的你們只有一句建立內部控制制度我認為這樣子一句話並沒有真的解決問題啊所以你認為在第6條我們要怎麼樣處理用什麼樣的文字才不會讓地方議員他會因為這樣的處理而有徵送的事件\n是 我想這一部分我們議會的內控制度我們是希望你不要再講內控制度了啦如果今天我們要修法是不是就應該要讓我們的地方的議員避免這樣的徵送的部分所以你待會要有心理準備我們會在這一條裡面讓行政院提出你們的文字版本好不好\n最後我要為各縣市尤其是財政非常拮据的原鄉縣市來請命我們今天這些費用到底是中央買單還是地方自印我剛剛聽到部長在這邊回應剛剛還在的時候他說針對財政拮据的縣市他會專案處理是這樣嗎要怎麼專案處理\n我想這一部分我剛才特別有提到就對於這些收支比較短差或者是比較窮的縣市那應該會有一個機制來做補貼那什麼樣的機制那這一部分可能要跟組總跟財政局你今天就要來組條咧你今天就要修法咧你都還要再跟他們討論原來我們的條案是沒有這一部分\n對阿你今天來你只針對要討好村里長的部分你們並沒有真正的想要來解決問題阿政治所以今天部長不留下來我覺得他不留下來有很大的因素就是不願意真正去面對處理我們現在不管是議員不管是中央買單還是縣市買單\n所以您待會要有心理準備不能夠再用我現在質詢您的態度來告訴我們在野的所有或者是所有的民進黨的委員我覺得這是不負責任的最後最後我要提醒您蔡英文總統在2018年說台灣的經濟目前處於過去20年來的最好的狀態\n然後行政院長陳院長他也是在3月份的時候他也講整體的GDP大幅的成長我們的稅入稅出盈餘也很多然後呢會讓經濟越來越好我在想既然蔡政府都說這幾年經濟是非常好那麼是不是更應該要優先專案補助財政結局並且\n主席\n好 謝謝我們高金素梅\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.442 --> 00:04.845\n好謝謝主席我們請這個政事\n\n00:09.775 --> 00:35.002\n我這次好好我們這次修正草案的重點您看一下有沒有錯地方民代我們調整醫院助理補助費還有他的用人的人數然後補助支應助理加班費等等的費用然後再來就是調整為民服務費那在村里長的部分呢我們是發給春節慰勞金然後還有另外一個部分就是我非常堅持的部分原住民的區域的特殊性的問題好這幾個\n\n00:37.970 --> 00:56.965\n今天要討論至於要加多少助理人員要加多少就是待會大家討論下來的結果那我特別要謝謝部長我以為他會留下來但是他離開了但是我必須要再提一下部長其實在3月8號的時候就來我辦公室拜訪我\n\n00:58.286 --> 01:11.223\n當時呢他就同意地方民意代表費用支給及村里事務補助費補助條例的修法方向就是我剛剛跟你講的那三大塊然後在10月18號在這個地方我也質詢了部長的時候我針對議員還有村里長的費用\n\n01:13.746 --> 01:36.208\n主席的部分部長也承諾我在一個月要提出修法跟改善方案所以我是召委我本來在一個月之後就要提了今天吳召委提了但是我比較遺憾的是既然我在3月8號已經跟部長談到這個部分的公平正義的問題但是今天行政院的版本還是沒有列入討論\n\n01:37.569 --> 01:52.703\n這是我感到非常遺憾的部分反而是我們的民意代表在這邊非常的認真用功行政院並沒有版本所以待會兒討論的時候我們並沒有行政院版本作為依據這是比較遺憾的部分另外\n\n01:53.564 --> 02:17.680\n在原住民議員跟村里長的部分我要感謝部長非常記得原住民地區要是服務轄區範圍比較大啦交通非常不便增加補助但是這次您知道嗎我們原住民地區的村里長事務補助費還有議員的衛民服務費按照你們的宣布就是告訴民眾你們要增加10%\n\n02:20.222 --> 02:38.563\n請問一下增加10%的計算基準是什麼然後10%的補貼到底夠不夠用我要提醒一下政事就是即便是原鄉跟偏鄉我們原鄉跟偏鄉的各鄉的交通距離跟他的成本是有所不同的所以請問一下簡單回應\n\n02:41.144 --> 02:53.071\n謝謝委員的關心,我想這一份幹委員指教都沒有錯,因為在原民這個地方每一個縣市的原民區都不進銷所以你們都是用比照10%這樣子來計算,例如如果按照你們來講直轄市議員我們增加到30萬的話,4萬增加到10%只有4千塊\n\n03:04.918 --> 03:31.755\n然後縣市議員兩萬塊增加百分之十的話是兩千塊村里事務補助費五萬塊加百分之十就五千塊所以你覺得這樣夠嗎我們是不是等一下我們是不是因為時間的關係所以是不是我們等一下要討論我給你看一下按照我們的討論我現在用教育部的部分教育部當時我在教育文化委員會我就特別\n\n03:32.495 --> 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