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人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第六條條文修正草案」\n案；六、審查委員羅美玲等18人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第六\n條條文修正草案」案；七、審查委員呂玉玲等19人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補\n助費補助條例第六條條文修正草案」案；八、審查委員吳思瑤等17人擬具「地方民意代表費用支\n給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第六條條文修正草案」案；九、審查委員陳超明等18人擬具「地\n方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例增訂第七條之一條文草案」案；十、審查委員\n李柏毅等17人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第六條條文修正草案」\n案；十一、審查委員黃健豪等17人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例增\n訂第七條之一條文草案」案；十二、審查委員徐巧芯等28人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里\n長事務補助費補助條例第六條條文修正草案」案；十三、審查委員莊瑞雄等18人擬具「地方民意\n代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第六條條文修正草案」案；十四、審查委員高金素梅\n等29人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第七條條文修正草案」案；十\n五、審查委員林思銘等26人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第六條條\n文修正草案」案；十六、審查委員王美惠等17人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助\n費補助條例第六條條文修正草案」案；十七、審查委員盧縣一等19人擬具「地方民意代表費用支\n給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第六條、第七條及第九條條文修正草案」案；十八、審查委員蔡\n易餘等 19 人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第六條條文修正草案」\n案；十九、審查委員范雲等17人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第六\n條條文修正草案」案；二十、審查委員許宇甄等16人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務\n補助費補助條例第七條條文修正草案」案；二十一、審查委員黃秀芳等19人擬具「地方民意代表\n費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第六條條文修正草案」案；二十二、審查委員鍾佳濱等27\n人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第六條條文修正草案」案；二十\n三、審查委員陳瑩等17人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第五條、第\n六條及第七條條文修正草案」案；二十四、審查委員伍麗華 Saidhai Tahovecahe 等 17 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委員的意見跟行政院的案板是一致的啦對 都一樣啦 是的 是的我們回來 我們就是總要給議員自己資料去發揮嘛 是的 我們只是等一個上限補負 對啊 我要講的 你看 不只是個人在核銷 在報"},{"start":326.909,"end":327.149,"text":"對議員來說有比較好的說法"},{"start":342.583,"end":352.731,"text":"再一次就是我們這個鄉民代表費為民服務費我記得我17年前我第一屆常務政理的時候我做代表那時候就三千塊跟這次也是三千塊我會告訴你我們有還要提高兩千塊到五千塊這個國分我們有跟這個全國代表費、任議費我們有跟他們討論聽他們的心聲"},{"start":370.209,"end":375.903,"text":"我想這一部分在一些開會的場合大概我們都有提過那這個因為"},{"start":378.973,"end":396.908,"text":"代表會會比較特別是代表它是一個比較多席次的選區又比較小的那這一部分為什麼我們調整會從3000調到只調到5000呢大概考量到說因為它服務的我先可以用次長用時間我來聯絡這個全國代表會連議會主席連議會好不好是邀請他們起來我們立法院先跟我們那個次長開一個座談"},{"start":406.656,"end":418.123,"text":"5月20日之前可以啦5月20日那一天?520那天你會打?520以後可能找不到我欸真的喔?是啊如果520之前你有答應520以後算不算數?"},{"start":418.769,"end":437.076,"text":"那要看5月份之後我講的話算不算數?哇 這樣也是要給我認消費我跟妳講實話 我跟妳講實話有啦 有時候一段時間你來延續下去啊這延續是一定會延續對啊 你們不能說現在這樣公開的 如果有時候要給我認消費這樣清台連連 大家湊齊 這樣耍耍的 不能這樣啦我跟妳報告委員 這個政策已經被延續了 原來是現在我們黨內 或我們共產黨內 我們要給你們歡迎事情 你們給我用這個認消費的方式"},{"start":448.854,"end":449.534,"text":"我聽說是5201號再運上來就好了"},{"start":464.011,"end":464.332,"text":"丁學忠委員"}]}}}}