{"id":152343,"url":"https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/152343","video_url":"https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/9fa9bc2102b9cf71cd72222ce3aece94827cef00f012e52e36499d1b681a2ac7ab2d8c09228722765ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8","委員名稱":"李坤城","委員發言時間":"12:11:06 - 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人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第六條條文修正草案」\n案；六、審查委員羅美玲等18人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第六\n條條文修正草案」案；七、審查委員呂玉玲等19人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補\n助費補助條例第六條條文修正草案」案；八、審查委員吳思瑤等17人擬具「地方民意代表費用支\n給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第六條條文修正草案」案；九、審查委員陳超明等18人擬具「地\n方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例增訂第七條之一條文草案」案；十、審查委員\n李柏毅等17人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第六條條文修正草案」\n案；十一、審查委員黃健豪等17人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例增\n訂第七條之一條文草案」案；十二、審查委員徐巧芯等28人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里\n長事務補助費補助條例第六條條文修正草案」案；十三、審查委員莊瑞雄等18人擬具「地方民意\n代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第六條條文修正草案」案；十四、審查委員高金素梅\n等29人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第七條條文修正草案」案；十\n五、審查委員林思銘等26人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第六條條\n文修正草案」案；十六、審查委員王美惠等17人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助\n費補助條例第六條條文修正草案」案；十七、審查委員盧縣一等19人擬具「地方民意代表費用支\n給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第六條、第七條及第九條條文修正草案」案；十八、審查委員蔡\n易餘等 19 人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第六條條文修正草案」\n案；十九、審查委員范雲等17人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第六\n條條文修正草案」案；二十、審查委員許宇甄等16人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務\n補助費補助條例第七條條文修正草案」案；二十一、審查委員黃秀芳等19人擬具「地方民意代表\n費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第六條條文修正草案」案；二十二、審查委員鍾佳濱等27\n人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第六條條文修正草案」案；二十\n三、審查委員陳瑩等17人擬具「地方民意代表費用支給及村里長事務補助費補助條例第五條、第\n六條及第七條條文修正草案」案；二十四、審查委員伍麗華 Saidhai Tahovecahe 等 17 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00:01:06,581\n那我有看過這個行政院的版本這個調整議員助理補助費的總額在直轄市的部分是24萬調整在30萬然後這個縣市議員部分是8萬到14萬然後這個聘用的人數呢這個取消上限這個直轄市的話至少7人然後這個縣市議員至少3人這部分我是支持的\n\n4\n00:01:07,402 --> 00:01:28,317\n第二部分就是說這個過去這個議員的助理只有補助這個勞保健保跟勞退嘛那現在你們這個新的這個條例是說這個用助理補助費總額外加20%來補助原有的本來的這個勞健保勞退之外擴大到這一個加班費跟資遣費嘛對不對\n\n5\n00:01:28,997 --> 00:01:45,018\n如果說外加20%的話直轄市議員每個月就是6萬然後縣市議員就是2萬8千塊那我再問一下那這個增加的部分跟過去只有這個勞健保跟勞退那增加是多少可以讓這個議員來指引這個加班費跟資遣費\n\n6\n00:01:48,422 --> 00:02:09,735\n我想原來的沒有修正之前還沒有修之前的4萬跟這個1.2萬基本上是支應他們的勞退跟這個勞健保跟勞退金就多2萬一個多2萬一個多1.6萬那這一部分等於拿來作為加班之前會來使用那之前會不一定都會發生但是我是認為說\n\n7\n00:02:14,197 --> 00:02:31,604\n兩萬其實其實不夠啦因為我們自己自己有時候六日都會帶著助理跑那或是說有時候晚上有活動所以這兩萬這就是說加20%這部分其實我是覺得說可以再增加啦可以再增加啦那雖然說你們這個是有跟著這一個\n\n8\n00:02:33,264 --> 00:02:53,790\n公教人員的薪資調整在做調整,是不是?我想這個都會去考量,主要當然也要考量到地方的財政的問題當然啦,但是我個人是覺得說這部分百分之20其實不夠啦,還要再增加相對於立法委員的助理的加班費其實差距是很大\n\n9\n00:02:56,151 --> 00:03:13,548\n第三點是說這個那當然大家都很重視就是有關里長的這個加發春節慰勞金那用這個里基費的這一個五萬塊然後這個多1.5個月就是七萬五那我相信因為這個部長當初在這個三重有跟這個里長座談那里長有提出來\n\n10\n00:03:14,048 --> 00:03:29,420\n他提出這個方案那其實里長是都很支持都是很正面看待了那我相信這個很多的委員也都會支持那我也不認為說這是選舉考量有反對的我看有很多新北市議員國民黨的議員在反對我認為反對的才是選舉的考量\n\n11\n00:03:32,822 --> 00:03:48,052\n那本席因為是山崇的立委那最近有關於這個盧北重劃案因為把這個山崇果在市場遷入引起大家的關注那我在這邊也做個說明那這個就是說因為我過去是擔任這個山崇盧州的議員\n\n12\n00:03:48,672 --> 00:04:11,187\n那我長期是關心這項議題那三重果菜市場的這個都更的計畫其實過去在朱立倫市長時代呢是原地重建原地重建在104年的這個內政部的都市計畫委員會審議通過那時候就是現地重建而且先見後猜安置原有的攤商那到了這個侯友宜時代呢才改成異地重建\n\n13\n00:04:11,767 --> 00:04:15,871\n當時侯友宜市府在108年辦理盧北盧南重劃區的檢討案的時候才把山崇國債市場的遷移案納入而且在109年通過新北市都委會的審議再送內政部來審查\n\n14\n00:04:30,645 --> 00:04:49,338\n到現在都還沒有通過,為什麼?因為新北市政府是霸王硬上弓不但先上車而且到目前都還沒有補票我再說明一下,抱歉主席再給我一下時間盧北如都市計畫本來要進行公覽進行公開展覽的時候在108年公展的時候那一塊地還是屬於公園綠地,公24\n\n15\n00:04:55,402 --> 00:05:23,279\n但是新北市政府後來在進行都市計畫審議的時候後來才又把這個山蟲果菜市場的遷移把它遷移到這一塊的原本的這個公園預定地來而且把它變更為批發市場用地然後中央當時候是建議新北市政府要補辦公展但是到目前為止新北市政府一直沒有補辦公展然後就把案子送到內政部來所以我說他是霸王硬上宮\n\n16\n00:05:24,039 --> 00:05:43,677\n先上車而且到目前為止都沒有補票這是我在當議員的時候就要求這個新北市政府要辦公宅到目前為止都還沒有那新北市政府呢不僅在程序上有問題還在實際上規劃也有問題因為侯市長為了要把這個三重國債市場搬來這個盧北重劃區把它綁在一起弄了一個銀河灣的計畫\n\n17\n00:05:46,399 --> 00:06:11,906\n這個計劃就是在原本的公園預定地劃設一個3.5億公頃的批發市場用地然後他又包山包海給盧州市民一個期待他說我們除了有三重果山市場搬過來之外我們要把它立體化要做什麼呢國際會議中心會展中心購物中心休閒旅館等等但是最重要的交通的問題到目前為止仍然無解\n\n18\n00:06:12,626 --> 00:06:33,585\n所以本席認為說這個不是中央在卡新北是新北市政府在卡山崇跟卡蘆洲山崇國際市場遷移案呢如果按照目前的規劃是造成這個山崇跟蘆洲的雙輸而且造成這個山崇蘆洲的市民的對立所以我認為它是一個雙輸的都更案\n\n19\n00:06:34,306 --> 00:06:53,054\n所以本席是建議新北市政府要重新思考三重果菜市場是全國水果交易量最大的批發市場交通便利絕對是影響市場生意好壞最重要的關鍵那如果他沒有辦法解決交通問題未來牽過去對三重果菜市場好嗎?\n\n20\n00:06:54,234 --> 00:07:10,551\n對盧北崇化區好嗎?所以本席是要求因為部長他先離開了他本席還是要求新北市政府要重新思考不要把問題全部都丟給中央然後就說中央在卡新北謝謝我想這一部分我要補充說明一下\n\n21\n00:07:11,155 --> 00:07:36,845\n對於地方的重大建設不管都更或重大建設中央只有協助不會去卡那這一部分這個新北到現在因為還沒有提送這個補充資料來說明所以我們也希望新北趕快把這個資料提送到我們的土地徵收小組或專案小組來這個談那該我們協助我們一定會全力來協助會盡速來審查因為這個部長也跟侯市長有談過啦那我覺得就是說我們要把這個事情的來龍去脈講清楚\n\n22\n00:07:38,266 --> 00:07:38,546\n李坤城委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n89\t630\t謝謝主席 我們請市長\n15367\t42838\t市長好 謝謝我在當議員的時候其實關於這個議員助理的心智的調整其實我們就爭取了很久然後右昌部長他當部長的時候其實我們也跟他反映過那其實很高興那這個內政部還有這麼多的委員都有提案那我也希望說能夠順利這個送入二讀然後這個會期能夠順利過關因為其實草野都有共識當然只是有些幅度這個會有不同\n43618\t66581\t那我有看過這個行政院的版本這個調整議員助理補助費的總額在直轄市的部分是24萬調整在30萬然後這個縣市議員部分是8萬到14萬然後這個聘用的人數呢這個取消上限這個直轄市的話至少7人然後這個縣市議員至少3人這部分我是支持的\n67402\t88317\t第二部分就是說這個過去這個議員的助理只有補助這個勞保健保跟勞退嘛那現在你們這個新的這個條例是說這個用助理補助費總額外加20%來補助原有的本來的這個勞健保勞退之外擴大到這一個加班費跟資遣費嘛對不對\n88997\t105018\t如果說外加20%的話 直轄市議員每個月就是6萬然後縣市議員就是2萬8千塊那我再問一下 那這個增加的部分跟過去只有這個勞健保跟勞退 那增加是多少 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劃設一個3.5億公頃的批發市場用地然後他又包山包海 給盧州市民一個期待他說我們除了有三重果山市場搬過來之外 我們要把它立體化要做什麼呢 國際會議中心 會展中心 購物中心 休閒旅館等等但是最重要的交通的問題 到目前為止仍然無解\n372626\t393585\t所以本席認為說 這個不是中央在卡新北 是新北市政府在卡山崇跟卡蘆洲山崇國際市場遷移案呢 如果按照目前的規劃 是造成這個山崇跟蘆洲的雙輸而且造成這個山崇蘆洲的市民的對立 所以我認為它是一個雙輸的都更案\n394306\t413054\t所以本席是建議新北市政府要重新思考三重果菜市場是全國水果交易量最大的批發市場交通便利絕對是影響市場生意好壞最重要的關鍵那如果他沒有辦法解決交通問題未來牽過去對三重果菜市場好嗎?\n414234\t430551\t對盧北崇化區好嗎?所以本席是要求因為部長他先離開了他本席還是要求新北市政府要重新思考不要把問題全部都丟給中央然後就說中央在卡新北謝謝我想這一部分我要補充說明一下\n431155\t456845\t對於地方的重大建設不管都更或重大建設中央只有協助不會去卡那這一部分這個新北到現在因為還沒有提送這個補充資料來說明所以我們也希望新北趕快把這個資料提送到我們的土地徵收小組或專案小組來這個談那該我們協助我們一定會全力來協助會盡速來審查因為這個部長也跟侯市長有談過啦那我覺得就是說我們要把這個事情的來龍去脈講清楚\n458266\t458546\t李坤城委員\n","txt":"謝謝主席 我們請市長\n市長好 謝謝我在當議員的時候其實關於這個議員助理的心智的調整其實我們就爭取了很久然後右昌部長他當部長的時候其實我們也跟他反映過那其實很高興那這個內政部還有這麼多的委員都有提案那我也希望說能夠順利這個送入二讀然後這個會期能夠順利過關因為其實草野都有共識當然只是有些幅度這個會有不同\n那我有看過這個行政院的版本這個調整議員助理補助費的總額在直轄市的部分是24萬調整在30萬然後這個縣市議員部分是8萬到14萬然後這個聘用的人數呢這個取消上限這個直轄市的話至少7人然後這個縣市議員至少3人這部分我是支持的\n第二部分就是說這個過去這個議員的助理只有補助這個勞保健保跟勞退嘛那現在你們這個新的這個條例是說這個用助理補助費總額外加20%來補助原有的本來的這個勞健保勞退之外擴大到這一個加班費跟資遣費嘛對不對\n如果說外加20%的話 直轄市議員每個月就是6萬然後縣市議員就是2萬8千塊那我再問一下 那這個增加的部分跟過去只有這個勞健保跟勞退 那增加是多少 可以讓這個議員來指引這個加班費跟資遣費\n我想原來的沒有修正之前還沒有修之前的4萬跟這個1.2萬基本上是支應他們的勞退跟這個勞健保跟勞退金就多2萬一個多2萬一個多1.6萬那這一部分等於拿來作為加班之前會來使用那之前會不一定都會發生但是我是認為說\n兩萬其實其實不夠啦因為我們自己自己有時候六日都會帶著助理跑那或是說有時候晚上有活動所以這兩萬這就是說加20%這部分其實我是覺得說可以再增加啦可以再增加啦那雖然說你們這個是有跟著這一個\n公教人員的薪資調整在做調整,是不是?我想這個都會去考量,主要當然也要考量到地方的財政的問題當然啦,但是我個人是覺得說這部分百分之20其實不夠啦,還要再增加相對於立法委員的助理的加班費其實差距是很大\n第三點是說這個那當然大家都很重視就是有關里長的這個加發春節慰勞金那用這個里基費的這一個五萬塊然後這個多1.5個月就是七萬五那我相信因為這個部長當初在這個三重有跟這個里長座談那里長有提出來\n他提出這個方案那其實里長是都很支持都是很正面看待了那我相信這個很多的委員也都會支持那我也不認為說這是選舉考量有反對的我看有很多新北市議員國民黨的議員在反對我認為反對的才是選舉的考量\n那本席因為是山崇的立委那最近有關於這個盧北重劃案因為把這個山崇果在市場遷入引起大家的關注那我在這邊也做個說明那這個就是說因為我過去是擔任這個山崇盧州的議員\n那我長期是關心這項議題那三重果菜市場的這個都更的計畫其實過去在朱立倫市長時代呢是原地重建原地重建在104年的這個內政部的都市計畫委員會審議通過那時候就是現地重建而且先見後猜安置原有的攤商那到了這個侯友宜時代呢才改成異地重建\n當時侯友宜市府在108年辦理盧北盧南重劃區的檢討案的時候才把山崇國債市場的遷移案納入而且在109年通過新北市都委會的審議再送內政部來審查\n到現在都還沒有通過,為什麼?因為新北市政府是霸王硬上弓不但先上車而且到目前都還沒有補票我再說明一下,抱歉主席再給我一下時間盧北如都市計畫本來要進行公覽進行公開展覽的時候在108年公展的時候那一塊地還是屬於公園綠地,公24\n但是新北市政府後來在進行都市計畫審議的時候後來才又把這個山蟲果菜市場的遷移把它遷移到這一塊的原本的這個公園預定地來而且把它變更為批發市場用地然後中央當時候是建議新北市政府要補辦公展但是到目前為止新北市政府一直沒有補辦公展然後就把案子送到內政部來所以我說他是霸王硬上宮\n先上車而且到目前為止都沒有補票這是我在當議員的時候就要求這個新北市政府要辦公宅到目前為止都還沒有那新北市政府呢不僅在程序上有問題還在實際上規劃也有問題因為侯市長為了要把這個三重國債市場搬來這個盧北重劃區把它綁在一起弄了一個銀河灣的計畫\n這個計劃就是在原本的公園預定地 劃設一個3.5億公頃的批發市場用地然後他又包山包海 給盧州市民一個期待他說我們除了有三重果山市場搬過來之外 我們要把它立體化要做什麼呢 國際會議中心 會展中心 購物中心 休閒旅館等等但是最重要的交通的問題 到目前為止仍然無解\n所以本席認為說 這個不是中央在卡新北 是新北市政府在卡山崇跟卡蘆洲山崇國際市場遷移案呢 如果按照目前的規劃 是造成這個山崇跟蘆洲的雙輸而且造成這個山崇蘆洲的市民的對立 所以我認為它是一個雙輸的都更案\n所以本席是建議新北市政府要重新思考三重果菜市場是全國水果交易量最大的批發市場交通便利絕對是影響市場生意好壞最重要的關鍵那如果他沒有辦法解決交通問題未來牽過去對三重果菜市場好嗎?\n對盧北崇化區好嗎?所以本席是要求因為部長他先離開了他本席還是要求新北市政府要重新思考不要把問題全部都丟給中央然後就說中央在卡新北謝謝我想這一部分我要補充說明一下\n對於地方的重大建設不管都更或重大建設中央只有協助不會去卡那這一部分這個新北到現在因為還沒有提送這個補充資料來說明所以我們也希望新北趕快把這個資料提送到我們的土地徵收小組或專案小組來這個談那該我們協助我們一定會全力來協助會盡速來審查因為這個部長也跟侯市長有談過啦那我覺得就是說我們要把這個事情的來龍去脈講清楚\n李坤城委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.089 --> 00:00.630\n謝謝主席我們請市長\n\n00:15.367 --> 00:42.838\n市長好謝謝我在當議員的時候其實關於這個議員助理的心智的調整其實我們就爭取了很久然後右昌部長他當部長的時候其實我們也跟他反映過那其實很高興那這個內政部還有這麼多的委員都有提案那我也希望說能夠順利這個送入二讀然後這個會期能夠順利過關因為其實草野都有共識當然只是有些幅度這個會有不同\n\n00:43.618 --> 01:06.581\n那我有看過這個行政院的版本這個調整議員助理補助費的總額在直轄市的部分是24萬調整在30萬然後這個縣市議員部分是8萬到14萬然後這個聘用的人數呢這個取消上限這個直轄市的話至少7人然後這個縣市議員至少3人這部分我是支持的\n\n01:07.402 --> 01:28.317\n第二部分就是說這個過去這個議員的助理只有補助這個勞保健保跟勞退嘛那現在你們這個新的這個條例是說這個用助理補助費總額外加20%來補助原有的本來的這個勞健保勞退之外擴大到這一個加班費跟資遣費嘛對不對\n\n01:28.997 --> 01:45.018\n如果說外加20%的話直轄市議員每個月就是6萬然後縣市議員就是2萬8千塊那我再問一下那這個增加的部分跟過去只有這個勞健保跟勞退那增加是多少可以讓這個議員來指引這個加班費跟資遣費\n\n01:48.422 --> 02:09.735\n我想原來的沒有修正之前還沒有修之前的4萬跟這個1.2萬基本上是支應他們的勞退跟這個勞健保跟勞退金就多2萬一個多2萬一個多1.6萬那這一部分等於拿來作為加班之前會來使用那之前會不一定都會發生但是我是認為說\n\n02:14.197 --> 02:31.604\n兩萬其實其實不夠啦因為我們自己自己有時候六日都會帶著助理跑那或是說有時候晚上有活動所以這兩萬這就是說加20%這部分其實我是覺得說可以再增加啦可以再增加啦那雖然說你們這個是有跟著這一個\n\n02:33.264 --> 02:53.790\n公教人員的薪資調整在做調整,是不是?我想這個都會去考量,主要當然也要考量到地方的財政的問題當然啦,但是我個人是覺得說這部分百分之20其實不夠啦,還要再增加相對於立法委員的助理的加班費其實差距是很大\n\n02:56.151 --> 03:13.548\n第三點是說這個那當然大家都很重視就是有關里長的這個加發春節慰勞金那用這個里基費的這一個五萬塊然後這個多1.5個月就是七萬五那我相信因為這個部長當初在這個三重有跟這個里長座談那里長有提出來\n\n03:14.048 --> 03:29.420\n他提出這個方案那其實里長是都很支持都是很正面看待了那我相信這個很多的委員也都會支持那我也不認為說這是選舉考量有反對的我看有很多新北市議員國民黨的議員在反對我認為反對的才是選舉的考量\n\n03:32.822 --> 03:48.052\n那本席因為是山崇的立委那最近有關於這個盧北重劃案因為把這個山崇果在市場遷入引起大家的關注那我在這邊也做個說明那這個就是說因為我過去是擔任這個山崇盧州的議員\n\n03:48.672 --> 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06:53.054\n所以本席是建議新北市政府要重新思考三重果菜市場是全國水果交易量最大的批發市場交通便利絕對是影響市場生意好壞最重要的關鍵那如果他沒有辦法解決交通問題未來牽過去對三重果菜市場好嗎?\n\n06:54.234 --> 07:10.551\n對盧北崇化區好嗎?所以本席是要求因為部長他先離開了他本席還是要求新北市政府要重新思考不要把問題全部都丟給中央然後就說中央在卡新北謝謝我想這一部分我要補充說明一下\n\n07:11.155 --> 07:36.845\n對於地方的重大建設不管都更或重大建設中央只有協助不會去卡那這一部分這個新北到現在因為還沒有提送這個補充資料來說明所以我們也希望新北趕快把這個資料提送到我們的土地徵收小組或專案小組來這個談那該我們協助我們一定會全力來協助會盡速來審查因為這個部長也跟侯市長有談過啦那我覺得就是說我們要把這個事情的來龍去脈講清楚\n\n07:38.266 --> 07:38.546\n李坤城委員\n\n","segments":[{"start":0.089,"end":0.63,"text":"謝謝主席 我們請市長"},{"start":15.367,"end":42.838,"text":"市長好 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可以讓這個議員來指引這個加班費跟資遣費"},{"start":108.422,"end":129.735,"text":"我想原來的沒有修正之前還沒有修之前的4萬跟這個1.2萬基本上是支應他們的勞退跟這個勞健保跟勞退金就多2萬一個多2萬一個多1.6萬那這一部分等於拿來作為加班之前會來使用那之前會不一定都會發生但是我是認為說"},{"start":134.197,"end":151.604,"text":"兩萬其實其實不夠啦因為我們自己自己有時候六日都會帶著助理跑那或是說有時候晚上有活動所以這兩萬這就是說加20%這部分其實我是覺得說可以再增加啦可以再增加啦那雖然說你們這個是有跟著這一個"},{"start":153.264,"end":173.79,"text":"公教人員的薪資調整在做調整,是不是?我想這個都會去考量,主要當然也要考量到地方的財政的問題當然啦,但是我個人是覺得說這部分百分之20其實不夠啦,還要再增加相對於立法委員的助理的加班費其實差距是很大"},{"start":176.151,"end":193.548,"text":"第三點是說這個那當然大家都很重視就是有關里長的這個加發春節慰勞金那用這個里基費的這一個五萬塊然後這個多1.5個月就是七萬五那我相信因為這個部長當初在這個三重有跟這個里長座談那里長有提出來"},{"start":194.048,"end":209.42,"text":"他提出這個方案那其實里長是都很支持都是很正面看待了那我相信這個很多的委員也都會支持那我也不認為說這是選舉考量有反對的我看有很多新北市議員國民黨的議員在反對我認為反對的才是選舉的考量"},{"start":212.822,"end":228.052,"text":"那本席因為是山崇的立委那最近有關於這個盧北重劃案因為把這個山崇果在市場遷入引起大家的關注那我在這邊也做個說明那這個就是說因為我過去是擔任這個山崇盧州的議員"},{"start":228.672,"end":251.187,"text":"那我長期是關心這項議題那三重果菜市場的這個都更的計畫其實過去在朱立倫市長時代呢是原地重建原地重建在104年的這個內政部的都市計畫委員會審議通過那時候就是現地重建而且先見後猜安置原有的攤商那到了這個侯友宜時代呢才改成異地重建"},{"start":251.767,"end":255.871,"text":"當時侯友宜市府在108年辦理盧北盧南重劃區的檢討案的時候才把山崇國債市場的遷移案納入而且在109年通過新北市都委會的審議再送內政部來審查"},{"start":270.645,"end":289.338,"text":"到現在都還沒有通過,為什麼?因為新北市政府是霸王硬上弓不但先上車而且到目前都還沒有補票我再說明一下,抱歉主席再給我一下時間盧北如都市計畫本來要進行公覽進行公開展覽的時候在108年公展的時候那一塊地還是屬於公園綠地,公24"},{"start":295.402,"end":323.279,"text":"但是新北市政府後來在進行都市計畫審議的時候後來才又把這個山蟲果菜市場的遷移把它遷移到這一塊的原本的這個公園預定地來而且把它變更為批發市場用地然後中央當時候是建議新北市政府要補辦公展但是到目前為止新北市政府一直沒有補辦公展然後就把案子送到內政部來所以我說他是霸王硬上宮"},{"start":324.039,"end":343.677,"text":"先上車而且到目前為止都沒有補票這是我在當議員的時候就要求這個新北市政府要辦公宅到目前為止都還沒有那新北市政府呢不僅在程序上有問題還在實際上規劃也有問題因為侯市長為了要把這個三重國債市場搬來這個盧北重劃區把它綁在一起弄了一個銀河灣的計畫"},{"start":346.399,"end":371.906,"text":"這個計劃就是在原本的公園預定地 劃設一個3.5億公頃的批發市場用地然後他又包山包海 給盧州市民一個期待他說我們除了有三重果山市場搬過來之外 我們要把它立體化要做什麼呢 國際會議中心 會展中心 購物中心 休閒旅館等等但是最重要的交通的問題 到目前為止仍然無解"},{"start":372.626,"end":393.585,"text":"所以本席認為說 這個不是中央在卡新北 是新北市政府在卡山崇跟卡蘆洲山崇國際市場遷移案呢 如果按照目前的規劃 是造成這個山崇跟蘆洲的雙輸而且造成這個山崇蘆洲的市民的對立 所以我認為它是一個雙輸的都更案"},{"start":394.306,"end":413.054,"text":"所以本席是建議新北市政府要重新思考三重果菜市場是全國水果交易量最大的批發市場交通便利絕對是影響市場生意好壞最重要的關鍵那如果他沒有辦法解決交通問題未來牽過去對三重果菜市場好嗎?"},{"start":414.234,"end":430.551,"text":"對盧北崇化區好嗎?所以本席是要求因為部長他先離開了他本席還是要求新北市政府要重新思考不要把問題全部都丟給中央然後就說中央在卡新北謝謝我想這一部分我要補充說明一下"},{"start":431.155,"end":456.845,"text":"對於地方的重大建設不管都更或重大建設中央只有協助不會去卡那這一部分這個新北到現在因為還沒有提送這個補充資料來說明所以我們也希望新北趕快把這個資料提送到我們的土地徵收小組或專案小組來這個談那該我們協助我們一定會全力來協助會盡速來審查因為這個部長也跟侯市長有談過啦那我覺得就是說我們要把這個事情的來龍去脈講清楚"},{"start":458.266,"end":458.546,"text":"李坤城委員"}]}}}}