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00:00:45,696\n林院長好我首先很感謝上一回我們在質詢故宮的時候我們講到故宮的百年計畫院裡面的同仁也很早就在4月初就給我相關的計畫內容非常感謝相較於其他有一些部會經常漏掉我想院裡面在這個部分的\n\n3\n00:00:47,336 --> 00:01:13,994\n的這個作為其實還蠻有效力的那我今天就針對幾點來跟院長這邊做一個瞭解跟溝通那當然早上很多委員講到一些事也都是一些重點那當然大家遲遲一直沒有等到這個院長的任命那當然對我而言就朋友來講我是常常還能夠看到你我會蠻高興的那但是在這個文化上我們總會覺得這個\n\n4\n00:01:16,595 --> 00:01:37,624\n前幾天行政院辦了一個新兵訓練我看了一下故宮沒有那沒有可能就會引起大家很大的一個想法究竟是因為故宮太easy了所以在質詢的這個部分可能也不需要再去做一些強化\n\n5\n00:01:38,764 --> 00:01:54,373\n還是說那未來會有像剛才其他一些委員的一些懷疑跟質疑那是我最不想見到的就是談到故宮組織定位的這個未接的這個問題所以我很期待不會是像後者\n\n6\n00:01:56,074 --> 00:02:11,465\n前者也不是太樂見,不過院長經驗非常豐富,還是談到如果像前幾天的新兵訓練,或者是先前的一些任命\n\n7\n00:02:12,085 --> 00:02:37,325\n那故宮相較來講是比較不是那麼政治敏感度的一個內閣成員的一個公佈那相較比較獨立也不是一件壞事那我很期待就像您講的那您這個專業的一個回應確實是代表了如果真的是這樣子的話那文化還有希望那如果是本席剛才的一些想像或者是猜測或者是今天企劃委員問的這些問題那\n\n8\n00:02:39,807 --> 00:02:39,907\n蕭宗煌\n\n9\n00:02:59,585 --> 00:03:27,190\n好那另外呢今天的起點就是我對於這個任命的這個部分希望能夠趕快然後另外就是組織的這個部分也期待雖然不是院長這邊能夠做的那剛才幾位委員講的降級萬萬不行那翠玉白菜的事我們就不想再講了不過我想跟你講個就是就朋友間的一個發生的這個狀況啦這個翠玉白菜確實很重要因為我\n\n10\n00:03:28,030 --> 00:03:50,409\n今年有兩位波蘭的朋友來到台灣,他們一定要去故宮我說故宮好好,那我們有機會帶你去故宮,你有沒有最期待的想要看什麼他說我們要看CabbageCabbage,什麼Cabbage講到最後原來是JetCabbage,就是我們的翠玉白菜當然很多委員這邊關心說翠玉白菜的這個前幾天有人在那邊簽名很擔心他的這個\n\n11\n00:03:51,850 --> 00:03:52,070\n林倩綺議員\n\n12\n00:04:14,284 --> 00:04:35,888\n大家雖然都關心這一點那我這邊有一個比較很實質的大層面的問題我要跟您這邊就教就是在目前我們看起來好像還是兩岸有一點這個兵凶戰危的氛圍下我想請教一下我們過去八國聯軍的時代那我們知道這些海權強國對於文化還有國寶\n\n13\n00:04:38,869 --> 00:04:38,909\n林倩綺\n\n14\n00:04:59,626 --> 00:05:08,175\n請問故宮的文物現在怎麼處理?這怎麼藏好?或者是怎麼分散到世界各地跟我們同等級的一些博物館做一個交流?\n\n15\n00:05:09,757 --> 00:05:27,609\n原則上故宮的文物送到國外的話除了正常的交流之外的話我們並沒有這個現象所以故宮我自己講還是台灣所有的博物館裡面對文物保存最專業而且庫房的安全性最高的一個地方\n\n16\n00:05:28,874 --> 00:05:43,013\n那我有機會知道這樣一個保存計畫嗎?因為我又突然有點擔心那院裡面有機會來跟我說明或就是讓我放心嗎?因為最近我常常聽到有人說這是國安問題國安問題然後資料不提供\n\n17\n00:05:44,955 --> 00:05:44,975\n蘇貞昌議員\n\n18\n00:06:05,104 --> 00:06:08,887\n故宮博物院現在是國家重要的安全設施所以國土辦的話是保門列館隨時都會來做一個檢測所以這個部分的話我想\n\n19\n00:06:31,025 --> 00:06:54,378\n故宮的文物未來都是在山洞或是在地下的庫房,它的安全性相對是比較高的。好,那如果能夠提供相關的資料給我,就麻煩提供。那如果有困難,那就麻煩院裡面我們找個時間我來了解一下,因為這我們不希望發生,但是或許這個可能性是有的。\n\n20\n00:06:55,098 --> 00:06:56,298\n提醒玻璃屋\n\n21\n00:07:20,105 --> 00:07:40,923\n雖然不是玻璃屋不過也是玻璃穿透可是擋住牆面的這樣一個工程也是被很多的建築師這邊有意見所以我在這邊還是提醒因為裡面雖然有一些法規那但是在法規的容許的範圍裡面那我們應該要做到公共性的最大化\n\n22\n00:07:41,403 --> 00:07:42,744\n國立故宮博物院院長蕭宗煌列席\n\n23\n00:08:03,371 --> 00:08:25,588\n希望能夠讓某些委員已經跟你們要函那是不是本席這邊也可以有一個說明會的一個相關的函文那讓我知道這個時間那我們也可以至少讓公眾知道那能夠讓故宮之後的這個修復比較不會有先前的問題但是我覺得都不是館長的問題啦都是這個大家承接那出現了這樣一個狀況\n\n24\n00:08:27,529 --> 00:08:27,649\n指導委員會委員會委員會\n\n25\n00:08:47,838 --> 00:09:14,123\n兒童暨青年事務委員會警官諮詢會還有博物館兒童青年議題那這些策展當然是一定啦那是不是可以請貴院這邊提供給我這幾個委員會開會的次數然後還有他們提的一些建議那當然如果這個真的是很有用的話那有取代掉這個指導委員會的功能而且真的是有效度的話那我們當然樂見\n\n26\n00:09:15,263 --> 00:09:15,804\n指導委員會與委員會中間的差異\n\n27\n00:09:35,703 --> 00:09:35,843\n主持人林倩綺\n\n28\n00:10:06,124 --> 00:10:19,679\n最後院長你這個階段雖然你不一定會覺得你搞不好很想繼續跟我打乒乓球不一定會我期待你能夠接受如果被留任\n\n29\n00:10:21,200 --> 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Cabbage,就是我們的翠玉白菜當然很多委員這邊關心說翠玉白菜的這個前幾天有人在那邊簽名很擔心他的這個\n林倩綺議員\n大家雖然都關心這一點那我這邊有一個比較很實質的大層面的問題我要跟您這邊就教就是在目前我們看起來好像還是兩岸有一點這個兵凶戰危的氛圍下我想請教一下我們過去八國聯軍的時代那我們知道這些海權強國對於文化還有國寶\n林倩綺\n請問故宮的文物現在怎麼處理?這怎麼藏好?或者是怎麼分散到世界各地跟我們同等級的一些博物館做一個交流?\n原則上故宮的文物送到國外的話除了正常的交流之外的話我們並沒有這個現象所以故宮我自己講還是台灣所有的博物館裡面對文物保存最專業而且庫房的安全性最高的一個地方\n那我有機會知道這樣一個保存計畫嗎?因為我又突然有點擔心那院裡面有機會來跟我說明或就是讓我放心嗎?因為最近我常常聽到有人說這是國安問題國安問題然後資料不提供\n蘇貞昌議員\n故宮博物院現在是國家重要的安全設施所以國土辦的話是保門列館隨時都會來做一個檢測所以這個部分的話我想\n故宮的文物未來都是在山洞或是在地下的庫房,它的安全性相對是比較高的。好,那如果能夠提供相關的資料給我,就麻煩提供。那如果有困難,那就麻煩院裡面我們找個時間我來了解一下,因為這我們不希望發生,但是或許這個可能性是有的。\n提醒玻璃屋\n雖然不是玻璃屋不過也是玻璃穿透可是擋住牆面的這樣一個工程也是被很多的建築師這邊有意見所以我在這邊還是提醒因為裡面雖然有一些法規那但是在法規的容許的範圍裡面那我們應該要做到公共性的最大化\n國立故宮博物院院長蕭宗煌列席\n希望能夠讓某些委員已經跟你們要函那是不是本席這邊也可以有一個說明會的一個相關的函文那讓我知道這個時間那我們也可以至少讓公眾知道那能夠讓故宮之後的這個修復比較不會有先前的問題但是我覺得都不是館長的問題啦都是這個大家承接那出現了這樣一個狀況\n指導委員會委員會委員會\n兒童暨青年事務委員會警官諮詢會還有博物館兒童青年議題那這些策展當然是一定啦那是不是可以請貴院這邊提供給我這幾個委員會開會的次數然後還有他們提的一些建議那當然如果這個真的是很有用的話那有取代掉這個指導委員會的功能而且真的是有效度的話那我們當然樂見\n指導委員會與委員會中間的差異\n主持人 林倩綺\n最後 院長你這個階段雖然你不一定會覺得你搞不好很想繼續跟我打乒乓球不一定會我期待你能夠接受如果被留任\n你或許有自己某一些規劃但是您在故宮的這段時間可不可以最後給我們一個您在這段時間想要給公眾的一個價值的建議也就是說您在這個位置上期待我們對故宮的一個認識然後故宮的一個定位跟故宮對整個文化上的價值\n大家其實覺得說我的講話太籠統可是故宮博物院的保藏的確是人類共同的一個文化資產所以故宮博物院包括我自己包括所有成員都會守護這些文物哪怕是國寶中要鼓勵大家暱稱國寶\n作為一個重要使命所以過去大家討論的部分我們都會依照委員的意見的話我們來重新省思那另外的話有關成立專業委員會的部分其實我成立警官委員會的目的就是未來故宮博物院不管南北院在做改建或者警官處理的時候都有一個專業的單位可以來執行不會說像昭京的狀況發生\n好那謝謝院長最後還是這句話祝福院長也祝福故宮博物院跟我們所有的國立的博物館謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:10.640 --> 00:10.700\n姜蕭薇議員\n\n00:19.305 --> 00:45.696\n林院長好我首先很感謝上一回我們在質詢故宮的時候我們講到故宮的百年計畫院裡面的同仁也很早就在4月初就給我相關的計畫內容非常感謝相較於其他有一些部會經常漏掉我想院裡面在這個部分的\n\n00:47.336 --> 01:13.994\n的這個作為其實還蠻有效力的那我今天就針對幾點來跟院長這邊做一個瞭解跟溝通那當然早上很多委員講到一些事也都是一些重點那當然大家遲遲一直沒有等到這個院長的任命那當然對我而言就朋友來講我是常常還能夠看到你我會蠻高興的那但是在這個文化上我們總會覺得這個\n\n01:16.595 --> 01:37.624\n前幾天行政院辦了一個新兵訓練我看了一下故宮沒有那沒有可能就會引起大家很大的一個想法究竟是因為故宮太easy了所以在質詢的這個部分可能也不需要再去做一些強化\n\n01:38.764 --> 01:54.373\n還是說那未來會有像剛才其他一些委員的一些懷疑跟質疑那是我最不想見到的就是談到故宮組織定位的這個未接的這個問題所以我很期待不會是像後者\n\n01:56.074 --> 02:11.465\n前者也不是太樂見,不過院長經驗非常豐富,還是談到如果像前幾天的新兵訓練,或者是先前的一些任命\n\n02:12.085 --> 02:37.325\n那故宮相較來講是比較不是那麼政治敏感度的一個內閣成員的一個公佈那相較比較獨立也不是一件壞事那我很期待就像您講的那您這個專業的一個回應確實是代表了如果真的是這樣子的話那文化還有希望那如果是本席剛才的一些想像或者是猜測或者是今天企劃委員問的這些問題那\n\n02:39.807 --> 02:39.907\n蕭宗煌\n\n02:59.585 --> 03:27.190\n好那另外呢今天的起點就是我對於這個任命的這個部分希望能夠趕快然後另外就是組織的這個部分也期待雖然不是院長這邊能夠做的那剛才幾位委員講的降級萬萬不行那翠玉白菜的事我們就不想再講了不過我想跟你講個就是就朋友間的一個發生的這個狀況啦這個翠玉白菜確實很重要因為我\n\n03:28.030 --> 03:50.409\n今年有兩位波蘭的朋友來到台灣,他們一定要去故宮我說故宮好好,那我們有機會帶你去故宮,你有沒有最期待的想要看什麼他說我們要看CabbageCabbage,什麼Cabbage講到最後原來是JetCabbage,就是我們的翠玉白菜當然很多委員這邊關心說翠玉白菜的這個前幾天有人在那邊簽名很擔心他的這個\n\n03:51.850 --> 03:52.070\n林倩綺議員\n\n04:14.284 --> 04:35.888\n大家雖然都關心這一點那我這邊有一個比較很實質的大層面的問題我要跟您這邊就教就是在目前我們看起來好像還是兩岸有一點這個兵凶戰危的氛圍下我想請教一下我們過去八國聯軍的時代那我們知道這些海權強國對於文化還有國寶\n\n04:38.869 --> 04:38.909\n林倩綺\n\n04:59.626 --> 05:08.175\n請問故宮的文物現在怎麼處理?這怎麼藏好?或者是怎麼分散到世界各地跟我們同等級的一些博物館做一個交流?\n\n05:09.757 --> 05:27.609\n原則上故宮的文物送到國外的話除了正常的交流之外的話我們並沒有這個現象所以故宮我自己講還是台灣所有的博物館裡面對文物保存最專業而且庫房的安全性最高的一個地方\n\n05:28.874 --> 05:43.013\n那我有機會知道這樣一個保存計畫嗎?因為我又突然有點擔心那院裡面有機會來跟我說明或就是讓我放心嗎?因為最近我常常聽到有人說這是國安問題國安問題然後資料不提供\n\n05:44.955 --> 05:44.975\n蘇貞昌議員\n\n06:05.104 --> 06:08.887\n故宮博物院現在是國家重要的安全設施所以國土辦的話是保門列館隨時都會來做一個檢測所以這個部分的話我想\n\n06:31.025 --> 06:54.378\n故宮的文物未來都是在山洞或是在地下的庫房,它的安全性相對是比較高的。好,那如果能夠提供相關的資料給我,就麻煩提供。那如果有困難,那就麻煩院裡面我們找個時間我來了解一下,因為這我們不希望發生,但是或許這個可能性是有的。\n\n06:55.098 --> 06:56.298\n提醒玻璃屋\n\n07:20.105 --> 07:40.923\n雖然不是玻璃屋不過也是玻璃穿透可是擋住牆面的這樣一個工程也是被很多的建築師這邊有意見所以我在這邊還是提醒因為裡面雖然有一些法規那但是在法規的容許的範圍裡面那我們應該要做到公共性的最大化\n\n07:41.403 --> 07:42.744\n國立故宮博物院院長蕭宗煌列席\n\n08:03.371 --> 08:25.588\n希望能夠讓某些委員已經跟你們要函那是不是本席這邊也可以有一個說明會的一個相關的函文那讓我知道這個時間那我們也可以至少讓公眾知道那能夠讓故宮之後的這個修復比較不會有先前的問題但是我覺得都不是館長的問題啦都是這個大家承接那出現了這樣一個狀況\n\n08:27.529 --> 08:27.649\n指導委員會委員會委員會\n\n08:47.838 --> 09:14.123\n兒童暨青年事務委員會警官諮詢會還有博物館兒童青年議題那這些策展當然是一定啦那是不是可以請貴院這邊提供給我這幾個委員會開會的次數然後還有他們提的一些建議那當然如果這個真的是很有用的話那有取代掉這個指導委員會的功能而且真的是有效度的話那我們當然樂見\n\n09:15.263 --> 09:15.804\n指導委員會與委員會中間的差異\n\n09:35.703 --> 09:35.843\n主持人林倩綺\n\n10:06.124 --> 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