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00:01:15,504\n11位院長中間有3位擔任過院長而且都是非常傑出的女性對沒錯其實我們11位裡面因為連同你已經有3位了我們算了一下數學已經超過四分之一只是未達三分之一所以這個前立委這種公開性別歧視的希望以後院長或故宮有機會就要告訴大家其實我們有就是超過四分之一未達三分之一是\n\n4\n00:01:16,224 --> 00:01:20,247\n女性的故宮院長,請大家不要忽略他們不分黨派對於故宮的貢獻。\n\n5\n00:01:33,955 --> 00:01:44,343\n今天我想針對您的報告裡面都有提到多元跟文化的平權想請問院長對經濟弱勢群體我們看了一下故宮的門票政策發現這裡面有針對年齡的針對身心障礙者針對學生還有一些國際博物館等榮譽會員這些可是沒有針對經濟弱勢群體的照顧\n\n6\n00:02:01,636 --> 00:02:15,644\n那不知道院長覺得現在這樣子您覺得足夠了嗎跟委員報告就是說現行的年齡未滿18歲或是學生那65歲以上很可惜65歲的話是平日免費\n\n7\n00:02:16,544 --> 00:02:18,466\n本國學生的話其實我們包括國外的學生持學生證都可以\n\n8\n00:02:36,325 --> 00:02:55,733\n經濟弱勢族群故宮有一個海灣故宮百萬鞋子由故宮然後南苑的話也有故宮的一個方案那基本上我們用自己的一點預算然後再跟外幕的經會我們邀請高中職以下的學生弱勢偏鄉\n\n9\n00:02:56,593 --> 00:03:07,072\n然後可以由故宮來知乎會用然後邀請他們到故宮然後甚至相關的那個管所去參訪這個部分的話我們用專案的方式來辦理\n\n10\n00:03:08,424 --> 00:03:28,058\n對,用專案當然這也是一種方法可是是不是最好的方法我覺得我們就是做一個國際的博物館的比較那我們辦公室去研究了一下一些主要的博物館以法國的羅浮宮跟奧賽博物館你在它的網站上就看得非常清楚羅浮宮還有奧賽博物館針對\n\n11\n00:03:31,681 --> 00:03:37,406\n這兩個博物館對於法國領最低生活保障金者也都可以免費看因為經濟上的貧窮其實就是最需要支持的可能最覺得150塊錢對他來講可能還是覺得無法支出的那他們的文化禁用權不應該只在\n\n12\n00:03:58,203 --> 00:03:58,723\n西班牙、西拉、雅典的衛城博物館都支持經濟弱勢群體\n\n13\n00:04:18,473 --> 00:04:18,493\n范雲議員\n\n14\n00:05:02,870 --> 00:05:02,890\n范雲議員\n\n15\n00:05:21,262 --> 00:05:45,188\n後來發現其實你們假日一百一十二年非假日平均是來三千六百六十四人北部假日六千三那如果你開放就是免費的時候其實一月一號是八千人元宵節超過六千五月十八九月二七五千多人只有十月十號國慶日一萬三千多人所以其實這個\n\n16\n00:05:47,228 --> 00:05:47,829\n主席主席主席\n\n17\n00:06:05,629 --> 00:06:05,649\n范雲議員\n\n18\n00:06:29,725 --> 00:06:55,410\n英國,這個我也常常想要提的,英國事實上是全面免費,只要是國家的出錢的,它只有常設展,不是,常設展全面免費,只有特展才需要付費。那我們可以想想,博物館的成本當中跟收入當中,那這個門票到底佔的比重是多少?那如何在一個博物館可以運作的情況下,讓更多人\n\n19\n00:06:57,270 --> 00:07:23,946\n能夠一而再的再三的進去學習了解我們的國寶我想這個是我希望故宮可以做到的那我今天提的就先從一個我覺得可以跟我們剛講的奧賽博物館羅夫宮看齊的我們是不是先針對經濟弱勢族群提出門票的優惠政策好不好那是不是你們可以去做一個評估然後給我們一個報告呢\n\n20\n00:07:25,547 --> 00:07:49,781\n跟委員簡單報告就是因為故宮有規會法的關係規會法的關係我剛講連那個65歲的老人我們希望說他假日來都免費基本上來講財政部都不同意所以我們只能用專案的方式只能用專案的方式然後就是說透過另外的基金所以您說是財政部不允許你這麼做嗎對因為我們門票收入要繳庫的\n\n21\n00:07:51,262 --> 00:07:58,269\n門票收入佔你們的總收入的百分之多少?佔你們的總營運成本百分之多少?應該是說你們的總成本裡面門票收入佔的成本是多少?\n\n22\n00:08:08,109 --> 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