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00:00:36,118\n是,不曉得有沒有準備,有嗎?有準備酒精嗎?那我們等一下,我們停個一分鐘。對,我可以消毒一下。沒問題,我們暫停一下。\n\n3\n00:00:52,580 --> 00:01:00,604\n4月24號針對司法人員減壓有一個專報我那天還有一些我認為還需要跟您進一步對話那今天主席又安排了司法院我就在把握時間跟您再對話那你們也在5月7號提據了依據我們上一次專報之後的一個報告\n\n4\n00:01:18,493 --> 00:01:33,139\n那你們的報告就是要提修法我們中央政府總原額法如何來突破給予司法人員來增補一個最好的支持你們那個報告上面寫得很好一句話世界上並不存在唾手可得的正義\n\n5\n00:01:34,946 --> 00:02:03,439\n也就是說司法人員是捍衛社會正義國家正義很重要的一道防線但是要給司法人員最好的支持制度面、人力、物力各方面下一頁所以呢我上一次的專報的幾個減壓我們要對司法人員賦予他更好的工作環境讓他發揮司法的效能也就是我的具體建議我還是要花點時間我再跟大家再分享一次\n\n6\n00:02:04,199 --> 00:02:15,050\n司法院應設心理調適架重視員工身心調適的需求第二、吳思瑤支持我們要合理增加員額而司法院應當來規劃增補人力的時程\n\n7\n00:02:18,206 --> 00:02:25,014\n第三、民事新收案量龐大但是濫訴的駁回案件少我們如何強化來審查落實第四、民事訴訟裁判費21年沒有調整從2003年開始到現在沒有調整我們是不是能夠適度的來調整來防渡濫訴\n\n8\n00:02:37,489 --> 00:02:55,607\n最後一個呢也是我希望司法院針對這整個人員減壓的對策其實要委託一個專業實證的研究好這是我的幾大主張好下一頁那從我4月24的質詢我要肯定一下我當時提出臺北地院\n\n9\n00:02:56,508 --> 00:03:11,025\n他針對你們已經上路的員工協助方案EAP但是呢這個心理健康關懷方案只適用給法官那像司法事務官啊書記官啊法官助理這些其他職工沒有用沒有辦法適用\n\n10\n00:03:11,866 --> 00:03:40,851\n那我秀出來的before是你們台北地院原本的公告我一質詢之後After馬上改也就是台北地院的所有的除了法官所有的法官助理們事務官們書記官們都可以來用EAP就應當如此所以祕書長我們是不是再花個時間去盤點我們這一套EAP的關懷方案應當所有的地院都要適用好嗎好謝謝擴大所有的司法人員是是\n\n11\n00:03:41,512 --> 00:03:41,755\n下一頁\n\n12\n00:03:43,120 --> 00:04:09,112\n那我也看到我們的院長他有台中地院就是徐院長有建議說我們要認真來面對我們的減壓的相關計畫所以台中地院動作很快他就做了一個公告台中地院的法官這些書記官們呢享有半天假而且是公假可以去美術館看展覽您知道有這個制度嗎\n\n13\n00:04:12,594 --> 00:04:34,544\n有這種制度。各法院都會彈性來運用。彈性來運用嗎?是用工假半天?我不曉得工假半天這個是一年只給半天還是多久給半天?還是?這個各法院可以彈性處理。那您認為這是不是一個好的做法?這個很好的做法。非常好。像我自己在立法院每天這麼高壓,上美術館。\n\n14\n00:04:36,101 --> 00:04:37,843\n二、處理113年度中央政府總預算關於司法院及所屬主管預算凍結項目共8案。��\n\n15\n00:04:58,024 --> 00:05:00,305\n但是這畢竟是一個片面局部的小利多我希望是能夠有常態化的制度也就是心理價\n\n16\n00:05:21,721 --> 00:05:21,821\n下一頁\n\n17\n00:05:46,304 --> 00:06:02,681\n那回到我上次說的也是你們提供的數字法官呢還缺499人總人力的需求是5536人這是目前為止所以補20年可能都補不起來下一頁\n\n18\n00:06:03,669 --> 00:06:22,882\n那這是你們5月7號所提供的書面報告就是我剛剛援引的我也很認真的都從頭看到尾但是你們說要修總原額法修法交給立法院交給我們來做但是呢你們要突破的是先補齊492人對不對因為現在一萬五裡頭只有預算原額14508先補492第二個還要再突破總原額一萬五的上限\n\n19\n00:06:34,150 --> 00:06:47,692\n那你覺得樂觀嗎?所以我們當時就期盼人總也能夠來協助,看能不能突破上限。好,下一頁。\n\n20\n00:06:48,914 --> 00:07:04,611\n收罰我們來做我絕對支持但是我認為如何讓立法院協助你們幫你們一把就是你們除了要快速的補齊492人之外也要把15000這個天花板打破那你就提出一個更具體的人力增補計劃跟時程你提出來被國會認為合理可行\n\n21\n00:07:10,478 --> 00:07:38,169\n那我們就有更大的助力了不是嗎?是是好不好?你們這個人力增補計畫跟時程我不會像黃國昌委員今天要你明天交出資料來一個禮拜交出資料來您要多久時間可以去做一個完整的兩個月三個月?我們應該是在兩三個月內就可以那我就給你兩個月的時間好不好去做一個好的時程跟計畫假如能三個月可能還要評鑑啦三個月合理我認為要好好做\n\n22\n00:07:39,309 --> 00:08:05,095\n所以說當你們能夠提出而且我要在這裡提醒考試禁用的是我們比較常使用的嘛對不對那多元禁用的比較有困難但是多元禁用的反而是即戰力所以未來要補強眼前的492人或是未來一萬五的這個天花板要打開我也希望你們具體針對考試禁用類跟多元禁用類去找出可行的方法\n\n23\n00:08:05,535 --> 00:08:05,595\n是是是\n\n24\n00:08:27,406 --> 00:08:27,526\n謝謝,那下一頁\n\n25\n00:08:45,694 --> 00:09:08,628\n好我們來講講這個爛數每年司法院2180位法官每年新收的案件從民事案件314萬跟刑事的案件49萬加起來363萬件是每年新案還不包括手上的舊案所以平均一位法官每年要新做\n\n26\n00:09:09,508 --> 00:09:38,607\n一千六百六十五件這就是現在的困境工作loading太大了下一頁那爛訴的部分我們民事訴訟法2021年1月修了給予一個條款第249條也就是可以駁回爛訴的條款對不對那您知道這個法條修了以後幫你們一把上路法條到現在三年多有幾個案子駁回嗎\n\n27\n00:09:40,008 --> 00:10:00,953\n我的資料是288案正確嗎?是那您覺得這個數字有回應了這個修法的良法美意嗎?協助替大家減壓該裁定駁回的不符合程序或者是欠缺合理依據的就該駁回288件三年\n\n28\n00:10:03,595 --> 00:10:21,041\n因為呈現在訴訟案件裡面如果做了實質實體上的審判用到249條249條之一的案件相對會比較少一點因為畢竟惡意或或者是基於不當目的是相對少數\n\n29\n00:10:21,781 --> 00:10:46,963\n相對少數那您認為是本質上相對少數還是我們的現場的法官也會有他的壓力我今天如果去撥回了我撥回的案子比較多是不是被我的上級認為說我比較不認真辦案會不會有這種心理壓力不會不會依法審判沒有這種壓力只是說我們的爛數大部分不是落在實體審判方面而是在程序\n\n30\n00:10:47,403 --> 00:10:48,103\n二十一年沒有調整的訴訟的費用\n\n31\n00:11:10,197 --> 00:11:36,485\n你們有沒有演繹可以去想辦法?這個部分其實我們一直都在想辦法想了什麼辦法?其實我們在民事訴訟法還有一個77條之27那高等法院就可以因為必要的情勢來擬定數而提高徵收加徵的標準那我們現在目前已經跟高等法院研商讓他們啟動研究程序看看是不是提高徵收標準來解決這個問題\n\n32\n00:11:38,786 --> 00:12:06,522\n我想問一下臺灣的這個裁判的費用跟國際你們有比較過嗎?是我們當時立法的時候其實是跟日本的徵收的比例大概相當大概都是當時是相當於1%只是日本跟我們不一樣是日本油電費也就是油資他還要徵收那我們現在修法以後是不用徵收\n\n33\n00:12:07,583 --> 00:12:26,837\n我也支持你們勇敢去計算當然我們如果要調漲裁判費用我們當然也要去強化我們對弱勢的保護不會讓司法因為他的政經地位高他能夠來擁有司法的權利如果政經地位比較低的我們有另外的法律輔助的機構這雙軌都要並進但基本上我認為一個收費標準徵收標準\n\n34\n00:12:31,880 --> 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好不好去做一個好的時程跟計畫假如能三個月可能還要評鑑啦三個月合理我認為要好好做\n所以說當你們能夠提出而且我要在這裡提醒考試禁用的是我們比較常使用的嘛對不對那多元禁用的比較有困難但是多元禁用的反而是即戰力所以未來要補強眼前的492人或是未來一萬五的這個天花板要打開我也希望你們具體針對考試禁用類跟多元禁用類去找出可行的方法\n是是是\n謝謝,那下一頁\n好我們來講講這個爛數每年司法院2180位法官每年新收的案件從民事案件314萬跟刑事的案件49萬加起來363萬件是每年新案還不包括手上的舊案所以平均一位法官每年要新做\n一千六百六十五件這就是現在的困境工作loading太大了下一頁那爛訴的部分我們民事訴訟法2021年1月修了給予一個條款第249條也就是可以駁回爛訴的條款對不對那您知道這個法條修了以後幫你們一把上路法條到現在三年多有幾個案子駁回嗎\n我的資料是288案正確嗎?是那您覺得這個數字有回應了這個修法的良法美意嗎?協助替大家減壓該裁定駁回的不符合程序或者是欠缺合理依據的就該駁回288件三年\n因為呈現在訴訟案件裡面如果做了實質實體上的審判用到249條249條之一的案件相對會比較少一點因為畢竟惡意或或者是基於不當目的是相對少數\n相對少數那您認為是本質上相對少數還是我們的現場的法官也會有他的壓力我今天如果去撥回了我撥回的案子比較多是不是被我的上級認為說我比較不認真辦案會不會有這種心理壓力不會不會依法審判沒有這種壓力只是說我們的爛數大部分不是落在實體審判方面而是在程序\n二十一年沒有調整的訴訟的費用\n你們有沒有演繹可以去想辦法?這個部分其實我們一直都在想辦法想了什麼辦法?其實我們在民事訴訟法還有一個77條之27那高等法院就可以因為必要的情勢來擬定數而提高徵收加徵的標準那我們現在目前已經跟高等法院研商讓他們啟動研究程序看看是不是提高徵收標準來解決這個問題\n我想問一下臺灣的這個裁判的費用跟國際你們有比較過嗎?是我們當時立法的時候其實是跟日本的徵收的比例大概相當大概都是當時是相當於1%只是日本跟我們不一樣是日本油電費也就是油資他還要徵收那我們現在修法以後是不用徵收\n我也支持你們勇敢去計算當然我們如果要調漲裁判費用我們當然也要去強化我們對弱勢的保護不會讓司法因為他的政經地位高他能夠來擁有司法的權利如果政經地位比較低的我們有另外的法律輔助的機構這雙軌都要並進但基本上我認為一個收費標準徵收標準\n二十幾年沒有調整是可以來考量合理的反應成本好不好合理的來反應然後來幫助減少爛速也幫助我們的司法人員他的減壓工作減量好嗎所以我今天再一次把握機會我的這幾個建議請你們三個月統合給我一個完整的回覆好不好我們一起加油那也希望大家每一次來國會回去心情要盡量保持亮麗\n﹗\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:11.054 --> 00:18.320\n主席會議詢問一下我們以前疫情期間不是都會消毒嗎麥克風\n\n00:25.529 --> 00:36.118\n是,不曉得有沒有準備,有嗎?有準備酒精嗎?那我們等一下,我們停個一分鐘。對,我可以消毒一下。沒問題,我們暫停一下。\n\n00:52.580 --> 01:00.604\n4月24號針對司法人員減壓有一個專報我那天還有一些我認為還需要跟您進一步對話那今天主席又安排了司法院我就在把握時間跟您再對話那你們也在5月7號提據了依據我們上一次專報之後的一個報告\n\n01:18.493 --> 01:33.139\n那你們的報告就是要提修法我們中央政府總原額法如何來突破給予司法人員來增補一個最好的支持你們那個報告上面寫得很好一句話世界上並不存在唾手可得的正義\n\n01:34.946 --> 02:03.439\n也就是說司法人員是捍衛社會正義國家正義很重要的一道防線但是要給司法人員最好的支持制度面、人力、物力各方面下一頁所以呢我上一次的專報的幾個減壓我們要對司法人員賦予他更好的工作環境讓他發揮司法的效能也就是我的具體建議我還是要花點時間我再跟大家再分享一次\n\n02:04.199 --> 02:15.050\n司法院應設心理調適架重視員工身心調適的需求第二、吳思瑤支持我們要合理增加員額而司法院應當來規劃增補人力的時程\n\n02:18.206 --> 02:25.014\n第三、民事新收案量龐大但是濫訴的駁回案件少我們如何強化來審查落實第四、民事訴訟裁判費21年沒有調整從2003年開始到現在沒有調整我們是不是能夠適度的來調整來防渡濫訴\n\n02:37.489 --> 02:55.607\n最後一個呢也是我希望司法院針對這整個人員減壓的對策其實要委託一個專業實證的研究好這是我的幾大主張好下一頁那從我4月24的質詢我要肯定一下我當時提出臺北地院\n\n02:56.508 --> 03:11.025\n他針對你們已經上路的員工協助方案EAP但是呢這個心理健康關懷方案只適用給法官那像司法事務官啊書記官啊法官助理這些其他職工沒有用沒有辦法適用\n\n03:11.866 --> 03:40.851\n那我秀出來的before是你們台北地院原本的公告我一質詢之後After馬上改也就是台北地院的所有的除了法官所有的法官助理們事務官們書記官們都可以來用EAP就應當如此所以祕書長我們是不是再花個時間去盤點我們這一套EAP的關懷方案應當所有的地院都要適用好嗎好謝謝擴大所有的司法人員是是\n\n03:41.512 --> 03:41.755\n下一頁\n\n03:43.120 --> 04:09.112\n那我也看到我們的院長他有台中地院就是徐院長有建議說我們要認真來面對我們的減壓的相關計畫所以台中地院動作很快他就做了一個公告台中地院的法官這些書記官們呢享有半天假而且是公假可以去美術館看展覽您知道有這個制度嗎\n\n04:12.594 --> 04:34.544\n有這種制度。各法院都會彈性來運用。彈性來運用嗎?是用工假半天?我不曉得工假半天這個是一年只給半天還是多久給半天?還是?這個各法院可以彈性處理。那您認為這是不是一個好的做法?這個很好的做法。非常好。像我自己在立法院每天這麼高壓,上美術館。\n\n04:36.101 --> 04:37.843\n二、處理113年度中央政府總預算關於司法院及所屬主管預算凍結項目共8案。��\n\n04:58.024 --> 05:00.305\n但是這畢竟是一個片面局部的小利多我希望是能夠有常態化的制度也就是心理價\n\n05:21.721 --> 05:21.821\n下一頁\n\n05:46.304 --> 06:02.681\n那回到我上次說的也是你們提供的數字法官呢還缺499人總人力的需求是5536人這是目前為止所以補20年可能都補不起來下一頁\n\n06:03.669 --> 06:22.882\n那這是你們5月7號所提供的書面報告就是我剛剛援引的我也很認真的都從頭看到尾但是你們說要修總原額法修法交給立法院交給我們來做但是呢你們要突破的是先補齊492人對不對因為現在一萬五裡頭只有預算原額14508先補492第二個還要再突破總原額一萬五的上限\n\n06:34.150 --> 06:47.692\n那你覺得樂觀嗎?所以我們當時就期盼人總也能夠來協助,看能不能突破上限。好,下一頁。\n\n06:48.914 --> 07:04.611\n收罰我們來做我絕對支持但是我認為如何讓立法院協助你們幫你們一把就是你們除了要快速的補齊492人之外也要把15000這個天花板打破那你就提出一個更具體的人力增補計劃跟時程你提出來被國會認為合理可行\n\n07:10.478 --> 07:38.169\n那我們就有更大的助力了不是嗎?是是好不好?你們這個人力增補計畫跟時程我不會像黃國昌委員今天要你明天交出資料來一個禮拜交出資料來您要多久時間可以去做一個完整的兩個月三個月?我們應該是在兩三個月內就可以那我就給你兩個月的時間好不好去做一個好的時程跟計畫假如能三個月可能還要評鑑啦三個月合理我認為要好好做\n\n07:39.309 --> 08:05.095\n所以說當你們能夠提出而且我要在這裡提醒考試禁用的是我們比較常使用的嘛對不對那多元禁用的比較有困難但是多元禁用的反而是即戰力所以未來要補強眼前的492人或是未來一萬五的這個天花板要打開我也希望你們具體針對考試禁用類跟多元禁用類去找出可行的方法\n\n08:05.535 --> 08:05.595\n是是是\n\n08:27.406 --> 08:27.526\n謝謝,那下一頁\n\n08:45.694 --> 09:08.628\n好我們來講講這個爛數每年司法院2180位法官每年新收的案件從民事案件314萬跟刑事的案件49萬加起來363萬件是每年新案還不包括手上的舊案所以平均一位法官每年要新做\n\n09:09.508 --> 09:38.607\n一千六百六十五件這就是現在的困境工作loading太大了下一頁那爛訴的部分我們民事訴訟法2021年1月修了給予一個條款第249條也就是可以駁回爛訴的條款對不對那您知道這個法條修了以後幫你們一把上路法條到現在三年多有幾個案子駁回嗎\n\n09:40.008 --> 10:00.953\n我的資料是288案正確嗎?是那您覺得這個數字有回應了這個修法的良法美意嗎?協助替大家減壓該裁定駁回的不符合程序或者是欠缺合理依據的就該駁回288件三年\n\n10:03.595 --> 10:21.041\n因為呈現在訴訟案件裡面如果做了實質實體上的審判用到249條249條之一的案件相對會比較少一點因為畢竟惡意或或者是基於不當目的是相對少數\n\n10:21.781 --> 10:46.963\n相對少數那您認為是本質上相對少數還是我們的現場的法官也會有他的壓力我今天如果去撥回了我撥回的案子比較多是不是被我的上級認為說我比較不認真辦案會不會有這種心理壓力不會不會依法審判沒有這種壓力只是說我們的爛數大部分不是落在實體審判方面而是在程序\n\n10:47.403 --> 10:48.103\n二十一年沒有調整的訴訟的費用\n\n11:10.197 --> 11:36.485\n你們有沒有演繹可以去想辦法?這個部分其實我們一直都在想辦法想了什麼辦法?其實我們在民事訴訟法還有一個77條之27那高等法院就可以因為必要的情勢來擬定數而提高徵收加徵的標準那我們現在目前已經跟高等法院研商讓他們啟動研究程序看看是不是提高徵收標準來解決這個問題\n\n11:38.786 --> 12:06.522\n我想問一下臺灣的這個裁判的費用跟國際你們有比較過嗎?是我們當時立法的時候其實是跟日本的徵收的比例大概相當大概都是當時是相當於1%只是日本跟我們不一樣是日本油電費也就是油資他還要徵收那我們現在修法以後是不用徵收\n\n12:07.583 --> 12:26.837\n我也支持你們勇敢去計算當然我們如果要調漲裁判費用我們當然也要去強化我們對弱勢的保護不會讓司法因為他的政經地位高他能夠來擁有司法的權利如果政經地位比較低的我們有另外的法律輔助的機構這雙軌都要並進但基本上我認為一個收費標準徵收標準\n\n12:31.880 --> 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