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00:00:50,765\n那也因為這樣所以在很多的國教議題上確實看到潘部長有非常非常多非常積極的作為例如說我從去年地補到現在在國教法特教法霸凌防制準則還有三聘辦法還有性平教育法其實都可以看得見部長對於國教的關懷那我很好奇部長您在這一段工作時間當中你自己覺得最有成就感的事情是什麼\n\n3\n00:00:52,308 --> 00:01:00,976\n謝謝委員剛才的鼓勵我想在這將近7年多我剛剛算過了到520是2645天因為其實在過去這段時間也正是面對我們非常多項的衝擊\n\n4\n00:01:11,306 --> 00:01:15,168\n108課綱是這些年一個比較重大的對於尤其剛才委員談到高中以下的這些課程改革要面對未來培養孩子的這個工程非常的龐雜那在討論審議的過程有加上我們有很多各界的參與包含學生代表\n\n5\n00:01:27,995 --> 00:01:29,416\n臺灣這些年因為中央地方政府還有學校大家一起努力\n\n6\n00:01:57,578 --> 00:01:57,698\n陳培瑜\n\n7\n00:02:24,309 --> 00:02:24,469\n陳培瑜議員\n\n8\n00:02:40,486 --> 00:03:04,718\n謝謝部長我自己的小孩確實也是在疫情那一年正要考試我印象非常深刻那一天我們考完第一天會考決定到底第二天能不能考還好教育部跟當時的蘇院長決定讓我們繼續考完所以我也印象非常深刻這是部長您剛剛說你覺得最有成就感的事情但是我們另外要問有沒有在您任內覺得很遺憾沒有辦法完成但是你會願意放在交接清單的前三名跟下一位部長溝通\n\n9\n00:03:05,498 --> 00:03:22,154\n我跟委員報告因為這些年我們雖然大家都很努力包含大院我們教育會的委員一直在關心學校這些校安霸凌等等包含一些歧視的問題因為我覺得\n\n10\n00:03:23,435 --> 00:03:43,242\n校園實在是一個支持孩子學習的地方那經常有一些個案影響的發生所以在這方面加上我覺得整個社會環境大幅的變化對孩子在心理情緒學習上確實有相當的影響那也有一些在校園自傷自殺的這些個案\n\n11\n00:03:45,123 --> 00:04:13,305\n這部分我一直覺得一定要再持續的努力那學生福刀法雖然教育部已經做相關草案的整理但是在大家意見的整合這方面看起來還需要再做努力學生福刀法我覺得務必一定要能夠來就目前我們所遭遇的面向來多加協助我想未來也要麻煩委員這邊我們大家再做努力雖然儘管像大學校院\n\n12\n00:04:14,105 --> 00:04:14,205\n陳培瑜\n\n13\n00:04:42,765 --> 00:04:57,198\n非常謝謝部長的回覆其實我還蠻驚訝部長提到學輔法因為我心裡面幫你放的也是學輔法因為我想說這件事情確實是很多而且最近也才發生桃園的霸凌事件我相信部長您都知道好那這個部分就先謝謝部長的回應等一下我準備了一本繪本要送給部長我剛剛說你是最懂國教的部長\n\n14\n00:05:02,623 --> 00:05:27,990\n這本書呢在過去我跟部長討論很多議題的時候我發現你對國家階段的孩子真的有滿滿的耐心跟愛心這本書我自己非常喜歡這個作家今年也要到國際書展來書名就叫做飛一下休息一下再想一下我覺得很適合部長也許接下來休息但是休息完不要都沒有再往下做我相信部長在教育議題教育領域一定還有東西可以發揮那這個書等一下就送給部長好那接下來回到今天的主題來下一個謝謝\n\n15\n00:05:30,270 --> 00:05:47,241\n今天雖然在台的國際招生教育部的業務報告也提了非常多跟企業合作或是學校的設立可是我想問一下我們其實關心的是無國籍者是否可以來台就讀我們往下看下一頁去年某北部大學他們招收了一個無國籍藏人學生後來行政院跟教育部有介入相關的協調\n\n16\n00:05:49,522 --> 00:06:07,775\n後續也發函告訴北部的大學不要再收相關的學生可是今年這個學校又再次收到來自西藏學生的申請四名藏人學生再被校方與教育部指導下以無國籍為由拒絕相關申請但是我想部長您一定非常熟悉相關議題我就不再多說下一頁我們有沒有機會請部長來想一想或是跟下一屆的部長再交接這個議題修正外國學生來臺就學辦法\n\n17\n00:06:14,299 --> 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