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00:03:20,649\n謝謝委員徐馨這個問題我想上一次我們也跟委員報告過我們大概年初就已經因為我們不定期都會去檢討相關的這個制度那其實到現在到這個月應該我們已經接近檢討完成的這個階段所以我想跟委員報告很短的時間之內我們會朝向這個在精簡的方向去跟委員做報告那個就是面談的國家\n\n10\n00:03:21,584 --> 00:03:49,313\n就是面談的國家,所以有些國家其實是會再次的移除嘛有些,就是說剛才我所提到,像波丹塞內加爾、斯里蘭卡這些國家根本就沒有人要申請這個簽證了所以你掛在帳面上其實真的很不OK,像柬埔寨柬埔寨說實在的,為什麼在東南亞國家裡面柬埔寨會是申請面談人數最少的那是因為他們的國家其實要申請,要去面談其實這個不容易,也不可能,所以要跑一趟越南\n\n11\n00:03:49,773 --> 00:04:14,474\n所以就像柬埔寨的人民想要跟國人結婚這是一個非常困難的一條路那是不是就有機會把柬埔寨的面談是不是先移除這個部分完成程序後我們會正式公告所以說你們其實已經有這個調整的這個動作了倒是調整完的話會對我報告的意思嗎希望能夠聽到這個好消息好那再來就是賀局長慶回\n\n12\n00:04:17,796 --> 00:04:41,781\n我剛剛有聽了就是國安局跟這個我們外交部的專題報告那國安局跟外交部都認為歐盟與中國在區域安全跟經濟安全等議題其實存在了很多的這個分歧所以我們認為說那外交部是認為說台灣呢將持續跟法國跟歐盟的理念相近的國家其實都可以合作\n\n13\n00:04:42,981 --> 00:04:46,884\n中國國安局認為中共可能會持續分化歐盟內部跟美歐關係,然後連帶牽制取等對台政策的立場。其實我們都知道法國總理馬克宏很積極地推動歐洲戰略,自主他們想在防疫跟國家安全上面避免成為美國的\n\n14\n00:05:08,678 --> 00:05:14,760\n所以我們可以看到說這幾年來法國跟這個中國是眉來眼去的他們在這個他們希望把中國視為一個平衡的這個力量那再來的話像這一次這個習近平到了法國塞爾維亞跟這個匈牙利我們會不會擔心就是說中國往後會在歐盟這個國家一一來做這個擊破然後對於我們跟這個歐洲在疫情情況也好或是反侵略的風潮之下\n\n15\n00:05:38,647 --> 00:05:38,707\n會不會有這種狀況?我們會擔憂嗎?\n\n16\n00:05:55,289 --> 00:06:14,979\n我們相信習近平這次訪歐洲絕對不會是唯一的一次我想在未來這個期間他會分別的不但去訪問或者去邀請一些歐洲的國家來訪問中國這是一定會發生的事情但是我們也可以看得出來這一次\n\n17\n00:06:16,078 --> 00:06:20,500\n即使在中國跟法國建交60週年,非常重要的一個時間,然後法國也要舉行奧運,而且它的經貿問題,對,停火協定,這對法國很重要的,但是法國也一再再重申對台灣海峽的安全跟穩定是非常重要的。\n\n18\n00:06:39,188 --> 00:06:41,191\n所以我覺得他們是從兩個方面來看這個問題經貿的議題的安全的問題他們做一個很聰明的一個區隔當然比如說塞爾維亞這是鐵桿的匈牙利這個可能搖動性比較難\n\n19\n00:06:54,611 --> 00:07:18,453\n但是我們現在在歐盟所做的一些工作事實上也可以做一些平衡如果委員也注意到最近歐盟的一些國家在臺灣的支持的力度也非常非常的強所以我們必須趁這個時候跟民主like-mindedcountry怎麼樣結合在一起用臺灣的優勢、民主、自由、人權來強化跟他們的關係\n\n20\n00:07:20,054 --> 00:07:36,901\n這是我們目前維持了非常好,應該是過往最好的一次。我們跟歐洲的這個關係,我想是這個關係是在這麼多年以來,我們跟歐洲的關係是最好的一次。所以我們也很擔心習近平,就像市長您剛所提到的,\n\n21\n00:07:39,282 --> 00:07:50,008\n習近平的這個訪歐絕對不是唯一的一次我們也很擔心他一次一次的訪歐然後跟歐洲之間的互動越來越親密因為我們也會覺得說像烏克蘭、烏俄戰爭其實這個可能也許會已經到了這個尾聲我想歐盟是不是有些國家也希望跟中國來修補這個關係這個會不會是台灣的一個危機我們所擔心的是這個\n\n22\n00:08:04,758 --> 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