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00:03:39,842\n你訂出多少準則如果說第一線的教育工作環境沒有辦法依照這個準則來做那這樣子都是白點所以人家才會講是說難道非要出人命才會重視嗎今天他是拿力檢去剪頭髮如果說那一天力檢沒有剪到頭髮而是往他身上臉部五官\n\n10\n00:03:40,913 --> 00:03:41,173\n主持人的評論\n\n11\n00:04:00,727 --> 00:04:23,702\n委員這部分可能目前為止因為我就說他正在依照準則來調查的過程我想相信這方面的內容出來之後什麼時間點會出來調查這個我們來督促桃園市政府教育局跟學校因為原來在準則本來就有一個期限所以我想一定要在期限裡面完成而且更重要的是他可能不是\n\n12\n00:04:24,502 --> 00:04:30,264\n委員這部分我會請國教署跟桃園市政府教育局我想對這個案子我們必須因為就像委員剛才講到我早上也看到這一則新聞就是這個加害行為人突然又有另外一個想法沒錯\n\n13\n00:04:51,493 --> 00:04:51,613\n部長專案列管\n\n14\n00:05:04,863 --> 00:05:27,004\n推進國際生來臺及留臺的實施計畫我們特別看到今天的一個報告那其中有講到說會有國發基金提供產學獎助金還有企業提供生活跟實習津貼目前看起來是一個月一萬元左右來吸引這個優秀的國際生來臺就讀跟留臺但是很多外界關心我覺得\n\n15\n00:05:27,825 --> 00:05:56,248\n本期還是再次強調國際生願意來臺灣來就讀並且能夠發揮所長我覺得這是好事過去以來我覺得這個政策的宗旨跟出發點是好的但是有一些不孝的不管是學校或是不管是企業他就變成是變價的廉價勞工奴工來造成是說很多人甚至之前媒體也有講是說新南向產學專班的亂象跟人口販運一線之隔\n\n16\n00:05:58,029 --> 00:06:19,065\n這個標題很重喔那我們現在又在看到是說有這樣的一個生活津貼每個月一萬但是他要有兩年的這個後續有兩年的就業義務那我想請教在這個過程裡面我們教育部有什麼樣新的方式來確實督導不要讓過去的黑工亂象\n\n17\n00:06:20,673 --> 00:06:45,234\n委員所指導這部分,我也跟委員報告新南向產西國際專班確實當時在開始啟動我發現我們也面對這些部分的學校在招收學生上確實有這種便宜形式可能透過當地的這些人力、仲介等等的所以我也知道在有一段時間教育部是使出非常強力的要求\n\n18\n00:06:46,716 --> 00:06:46,816\n洪孟楷\n\n19\n00:07:04,798 --> 00:07:21,701\n那時候甚至還有傳出來說明明當地國的學生要的報考的是觀光科系結果來台灣之後才知道說觀光科系根本沒了然後他要去做餐飲科系然後就完全跟他的想像不同然後人力仲介就說你已經收了這個人力費用你還是要來唸\n\n20\n00:07:23,483 --> 00:07:26,705\n所以這個委員知道前面這幾年為什麼有好多的學校在處理這些很不當我想這個不只是影響臺灣在國際高校的聲譽所以幾所的學校教育部是採取非常重的懲罰甚至有幾所已經退場了\n\n21\n00:07:45,439 --> 00:08:06,302\n這也是我們希望政府全力,包含企業這一次願意共同來支持那學校招生這是它基本的義務啦如果只是為了招生根本連學生在哪裡學生要讀的什麼都不所以這一次在不管相關的這些辦法裡面都非常清楚的包含最新的促進國際招生的這些作業很多的這個規範\n\n22\n00:08:07,463 --> 00:08:29,436\n是把過去遭遇的這些學校疏忽甚至是不當的措施做了這方面的規範部長我們來講一下怎麼樣落實這個督導好不好好你這邊之前有提到是說講學金榜學生恐違反勞基法所以教育部你研擬契約範本對不對有什麼時候會出來\n\n23\n00:08:30,998 --> 00:08:34,139\n這個已經完成了這部分我們再詳細給委員參考因為我剛才跟委員報告的是說新南向國際產系專班的一些我們說不好的現象其實都是作為我們後續這幾項修正的規範包含實習因為實習還有兩種一種是校內一種還有學生還有打工依照勞基法的規範他有打工的規範像這一些我們在相關的實施規範裡面都給學校非常的明確的要求就不會有那種\n\n24\n00:09:00,503 --> 00:09:02,486\n所以第一絕對不會再出現明明是打工但是他把他算入說他的一個學科是不是\n\n25\n00:09:15,826 --> 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謝謝\n委員長部長在進入今天的專案報告之前我先請教時事問題上禮拜又看到說桃園某高中有女學生被霸凌的一個事件影片瘋傳請教有沒有看到這個影片這部分同仁有跟我特別提到\n到目前為止今天居然講到的是說這一個加害者他還有假道歉在上禮拜這個事情發生之後假道歉然後居然是再去提告這一個被害者說被害者公然侮辱他就是說事實可以這樣子黑白顛倒嗎?看到那個影片裡面加害者是直接拿利檢來對於這個被害者頭髮\n社會安全網、教育安全網是魚死網破嗎?那誰敢再去讓學生去這個學校?\n到目前為止我們掌握狀況怎麼樣?\n所以學校調查小組到底調查出結果沒有?委員還沒那如果沒有的話學校憑什麼先發這個聲明?這個我認為一切都應該以調查結果來做說明再好就像今天我回覆委員你就是說他們明明就還在調查的過程可能不能說這個時候憑哪一個人所知道的資訊就去做這個事件可能是什麼我覺得是錯誤\n所以說校方還講校方的聲明啊甚至讓大家就覺得說真的是校方的聲明啊在網路上大家都看得到講說有關大家關心的事情然後謝謝大家關心跟協助然後通知了家長原本雙方是好友因為與網路語言造成糾紛後續校方將協助處理跟持續追蹤輔導輕描淡寫\n跟委員報告這也正是為什麼在過去一個時間裡面我們把校園霸凌的相關事項的準則做了一個比較充分的整理那當中也就是\n你訂出多少準則如果說第一線的教育工作環境沒有辦法依照這個準則來做那這樣子都是白點所以人家才會講是說難道非要出人命才會重視嗎今天他是拿力檢去剪頭髮如果說那一天力檢沒有剪到頭髮而是往他身上臉部五官\n主持人的評論\n委員這部分可能目前為止因為我就說他正在依照準則來調查的過程我想相信這方面的內容出來之後什麼時間點會出來調查這個我們來督促桃園市政府教育局跟學校因為原來在準則本來就有一個期限所以我想一定要在期限裡面完成而且更重要的是他可能不是\n委員這部分我會請國教署跟桃園市政府教育局我想對這個案子我們必須因為就像委員剛才講到我早上也看到這一則新聞就是這個加害行為人突然又有另外一個想法沒錯\n部長專案列管\n推進國際生來臺及留臺的實施計畫我們特別看到今天的一個報告那其中有講到說會有國發基金提供產學獎助金還有企業提供生活跟實習津貼目前看起來是一個月一萬元左右來吸引這個優秀的國際生來臺就讀跟留臺但是很多外界關心我覺得\n本期還是再次強調國際生願意來臺灣來就讀並且能夠發揮所長我覺得這是好事過去以來我覺得這個政策的宗旨跟出發點是好的但是有一些不孝的不管是學校或是不管是企業他就變成是變價的廉價勞工奴工來造成是說很多人甚至之前媒體也有講是說新南向產學專班的亂象跟人口販運一線之隔\n這個標題很重喔那我們現在又在看到是說有這樣的一個生活津貼每個月一萬但是他要有兩年的這個後續有兩年的就業義務那我想請教在這個過程裡面我們教育部有什麼樣新的方式來確實督導不要讓過去的黑工亂象\n委員所指導這部分,我也跟委員報告新南向產西國際專班確實當時在開始啟動我發現我們也面對這些部分的學校在招收學生上確實有這種便宜形式可能透過當地的這些人力、仲介等等的所以我也知道在有一段時間教育部是使出非常強力的要求\n洪孟楷\n那時候甚至還有傳出來說明明當地國的學生要的報考的是觀光科系結果來台灣之後才知道說觀光科系根本沒了然後他要去做餐飲科系然後就完全跟他的想像不同然後人力仲介就說你已經收了這個人力費用你還是要來唸\n所以這個委員知道前面這幾年為什麼有好多的學校在處理這些很不當我想這個不只是影響臺灣在國際高校的聲譽所以幾所的學校教育部是採取非常重的懲罰甚至有幾所已經退場了\n這也是我們希望政府全力,包含企業這一次願意共同來支持那學校招生這是它基本的義務啦如果只是為了招生根本連學生在哪裡學生要讀的什麼都不所以這一次在不管相關的這些辦法裡面都非常清楚的包含最新的促進國際招生的這些作業很多的這個規範\n是把過去遭遇的這些學校疏忽甚至是不當的措施做了這方面的規範部長我們來講一下怎麼樣落實這個督導好不好好你這邊之前有提到是說講學金榜學生恐違反勞基法所以教育部你研擬契約範本對不對有什麼時候會出來\n這個已經完成了這部分我們再詳細給委員參考因為我剛才跟委員報告的是說新南向國際產系專班的一些我們說不好的現象其實都是作為我們後續這幾項修正的規範包含實習因為實習還有兩種一種是校內一種還有學生還有打工依照勞基法的規範他有打工的規範像這一些我們在相關的實施規範裡面都給學校非常的明確的要求就不會有那種\n所以第一 絕對不會再出現明明是打工但是他把他算入說他的一個學科是不是\n這部分我相信在未來我們面對國際招生跟把這些國際學生能夠有機會留下來臺灣工作等等的我相信大學是非常的清楚我也在大學校長會議讓大學校長們知道目的面對生源的困窘情況大家是要全力以赴\n主席主席\n最後部長你剛剛提到那個契約範本你再提供給本席最後我想確認一下啦因為到目前為止我們講是說5年要投入52億的經費來跟國際生來招收而且現在講說2030年預計國際生可能累積到32萬人但陸生的部分到目前為止\n被質疑說沒有善待陸生馬上教育部員拿出來沒有啊陸生在臺灣的就業滿意有高達七成啊\n對,就學滿意也高達七成啊那一樣的道理啊到目前為止難道陸生的部分還是將在這邊嗎觀光客將在那邊那陸生也要將在這邊我們沒有辦法有更純潤花開的時候比較遺憾的是過去這幾年我們說大學學位生的這部分但是112學年度我看到疫情過後現在研修生的部分又開始恢復當然還不到當時最多三萬兩千多位啦大概目前已經有逐漸\n部長 我這樣請教\n因為520下禮拜新政府即將上任新的部長即將上任就你的觀察跟了解到底我們對陸生這一塊學術交流的部分有沒有契機能夠更往前更開放還是說新政府的部分就是會越緊縮兩岸到底有沒有機會透過學術交流或是這個陸生的來台就學\n大陸這邊 能夠對於\n韓國瑜主席\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:11.324 --> 00:12.185\n主席謝謝麻煩請潘部長來部長謝謝\n\n00:17.728 --> 00:34.329\n委員長部長在進入今天的專案報告之前我先請教時事問題上禮拜又看到說桃園某高中有女學生被霸凌的一個事件影片瘋傳請教有沒有看到這個影片這部分同仁有跟我特別提到\n\n00:35.646 --> 01:00.502\n到目前為止今天居然講到的是說這一個加害者他還有假道歉在上禮拜這個事情發生之後假道歉然後居然是再去提告這一個被害者說被害者公然侮辱他就是說事實可以這樣子黑白顛倒嗎?看到那個影片裡面加害者是直接拿利檢來對於這個被害者頭髮\n\n01:02.884 --> 01:08.668\n社會安全網、教育安全網是魚死網破嗎?那誰敢再去讓學生去這個學校?\n\n01:25.035 --> 01:26.176\n到目前為止我們掌握狀況怎麼樣?\n\n01:54.858 --> 01:59.501\n所以學校調查小組到底調查出結果沒有?委員還沒那如果沒有的話學校憑什麼先發這個聲明?這個我認為一切都應該以調查結果來做說明再好就像今天我回覆委員你就是說他們明明就還在調查的過程可能不能說這個時候憑哪一個人所知道的資訊就去做這個事件可能是什麼我覺得是錯誤\n\n02:19.895 --> 02:43.790\n所以說校方還講校方的聲明啊甚至讓大家就覺得說真的是校方的聲明啊在網路上大家都看得到講說有關大家關心的事情然後謝謝大家關心跟協助然後通知了家長原本雙方是好友因為與網路語言造成糾紛後續校方將協助處理跟持續追蹤輔導輕描淡寫\n\n02:48.106 --> 02:50.928\n跟委員報告這也正是為什麼在過去一個時間裡面我們把校園霸凌的相關事項的準則做了一個比較充分的整理那當中也就是\n\n03:12.164 --> 03:39.842\n你訂出多少準則如果說第一線的教育工作環境沒有辦法依照這個準則來做那這樣子都是白點所以人家才會講是說難道非要出人命才會重視嗎今天他是拿力檢去剪頭髮如果說那一天力檢沒有剪到頭髮而是往他身上臉部五官\n\n03:40.913 --> 03:41.173\n主持人的評論\n\n04:00.727 --> 04:23.702\n委員這部分可能目前為止因為我就說他正在依照準則來調查的過程我想相信這方面的內容出來之後什麼時間點會出來調查這個我們來督促桃園市政府教育局跟學校因為原來在準則本來就有一個期限所以我想一定要在期限裡面完成而且更重要的是他可能不是\n\n04:24.502 --> 04:30.264\n委員這部分我會請國教署跟桃園市政府教育局我想對這個案子我們必須因為就像委員剛才講到我早上也看到這一則新聞就是這個加害行為人突然又有另外一個想法沒錯\n\n04:51.493 --> 04:51.613\n部長專案列管\n\n05:04.863 --> 05:27.004\n推進國際生來臺及留臺的實施計畫我們特別看到今天的一個報告那其中有講到說會有國發基金提供產學獎助金還有企業提供生活跟實習津貼目前看起來是一個月一萬元左右來吸引這個優秀的國際生來臺就讀跟留臺但是很多外界關心我覺得\n\n05:27.825 --> 05:56.248\n本期還是再次強調國際生願意來臺灣來就讀並且能夠發揮所長我覺得這是好事過去以來我覺得這個政策的宗旨跟出發點是好的但是有一些不孝的不管是學校或是不管是企業他就變成是變價的廉價勞工奴工來造成是說很多人甚至之前媒體也有講是說新南向產學專班的亂象跟人口販運一線之隔\n\n05:58.029 --> 06:19.065\n這個標題很重喔那我們現在又在看到是說有這樣的一個生活津貼每個月一萬但是他要有兩年的這個後續有兩年的就業義務那我想請教在這個過程裡面我們教育部有什麼樣新的方式來確實督導不要讓過去的黑工亂象\n\n06:20.673 --> 06:45.234\n委員所指導這部分,我也跟委員報告新南向產西國際專班確實當時在開始啟動我發現我們也面對這些部分的學校在招收學生上確實有這種便宜形式可能透過當地的這些人力、仲介等等的所以我也知道在有一段時間教育部是使出非常強力的要求\n\n06:46.716 --> 06:46.816\n洪孟楷\n\n07:04.798 --> 07:21.701\n那時候甚至還有傳出來說明明當地國的學生要的報考的是觀光科系結果來台灣之後才知道說觀光科系根本沒了然後他要去做餐飲科系然後就完全跟他的想像不同然後人力仲介就說你已經收了這個人力費用你還是要來唸\n\n07:23.483 --> 07:26.705\n所以這個委員知道前面這幾年為什麼有好多的學校在處理這些很不當我想這個不只是影響臺灣在國際高校的聲譽所以幾所的學校教育部是採取非常重的懲罰甚至有幾所已經退場了\n\n07:45.439 --> 08:06.302\n這也是我們希望政府全力,包含企業這一次願意共同來支持那學校招生這是它基本的義務啦如果只是為了招生根本連學生在哪裡學生要讀的什麼都不所以這一次在不管相關的這些辦法裡面都非常清楚的包含最新的促進國際招生的這些作業很多的這個規範\n\n08:07.463 --> 08:29.436\n是把過去遭遇的這些學校疏忽甚至是不當的措施做了這方面的規範部長我們來講一下怎麼樣落實這個督導好不好好你這邊之前有提到是說講學金榜學生恐違反勞基法所以教育部你研擬契約範本對不對有什麼時候會出來\n\n08:30.998 --> 08:34.139\n這個已經完成了這部分我們再詳細給委員參考因為我剛才跟委員報告的是說新南向國際產系專班的一些我們說不好的現象其實都是作為我們後續這幾項修正的規範包含實習因為實習還有兩種一種是校內一種還有學生還有打工依照勞基法的規範他有打工的規範像這一些我們在相關的實施規範裡面都給學校非常的明確的要求就不會有那種\n\n09:00.503 --> 09:02.486\n所以第一絕對不會再出現明明是打工但是他把他算入說他的一個學科是不是\n\n09:15.826 --> 09:20.930\n這部分我相信在未來我們面對國際招生跟把這些國際學生能夠有機會留下來臺灣工作等等的我相信大學是非常的清楚我也在大學校長會議讓大學校長們知道目的面對生源的困窘情況大家是要全力以赴\n\n09:44.810 --> 09:45.070\n主席主席\n\n10:03.434 --> 10:11.238\n最後部長你剛剛提到那個契約範本你再提供給本席最後我想確認一下啦因為到目前為止我們講是說5年要投入52億的經費來跟國際生來招收而且現在講說2030年預計國際生可能累積到32萬人但陸生的部分到目前為止\n\n10:24.645 --> 10:28.488\n被質疑說沒有善待陸生馬上教育部員拿出來沒有啊陸生在臺灣的就業滿意有高達七成啊\n\n10:42.120 --> 10:53.509\n對,就學滿意也高達七成啊那一樣的道理啊到目前為止難道陸生的部分還是將在這邊嗎觀光客將在那邊那陸生也要將在這邊我們沒有辦法有更純潤花開的時候比較遺憾的是過去這幾年我們說大學學位生的這部分但是112學年度我看到疫情過後現在研修生的部分又開始恢復當然還不到當時最多三萬兩千多位啦大概目前已經有逐漸\n\n11:11.684 --> 11:11.824\n部長我這樣請教\n\n11:34.472 --> 11:54.959\n因為520下禮拜新政府即將上任新的部長即將上任就你的觀察跟了解到底我們對陸生這一塊學術交流的部分有沒有契機能夠更往前更開放還是說新政府的部分就是會越緊縮兩岸到底有沒有機會透過學術交流或是這個陸生的來台就學\n\n11:55.759 --> 11:55.879\n大陸這邊能夠對於\n\n12:21.643 --> 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