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00:02:33,445\n這個的話是不是照我剛剛這樣的邏輯下去我是用原住民族電視台當關鍵字下去查查了以後找到一個最像電視台的這個連結點下去點下去以後竟然是這個那你覺得我對原民台的印象會是什麼\n\n8\n00:02:34,225 --> 00:02:40,888\n當然不會很好啊所以我們現在這麼認真要對一個我們的辦公居住甚至電視台的營運大樓搬遷有做這麼好的計畫對不對今天我們特別還來質詢這個問題那我們的網站都搬家這麼久了這個部分是不是也應該要處理一下\n\n9\n00:02:53,314 --> 00:03:04,679\n是報告委員我們這個盡快跟就不需要的話可以移除嗎或者隱藏或者任何技術方式這技術嘛對不對我們盡快跟公共電視今天我們就跟公共電視聯繫討論一下那再增加我們搜尋上關鍵字是便利性\n\n10\n00:03:09,341 --> 00:03:33,259\n好你看看因為它到現在它上面還是因為系統的關係可以自動跳2024年5月所以大家一定會覺得說這個網站還是有動怎麼會動成這樣好那我們再回來事實上現在園園會園民台的網站我必須說做得非常好做得非常好我們來看一下下一個這個其實因為你做得多好我就讓大家自己去看了這個我就不是特別說了\n\n11\n00:03:34,139 --> 00:03:54,611\n我甚至要更進一步說我要稱讚原民台其實大家在最近的表現真的都很不錯去年的金鐘獎我們也入圍了9項節目甚至是像樹人大冒險還直接就得獎了動畫類是第一名嘛我們就直接得獎了這麼好的節目真的要感謝大家努力用心好可是啦\n\n12\n00:03:55,171 --> 00:04:07,337\n那我今天因為本來要質詢你們嘛所以我又想下去我本來想要截圖放一些這個樹人大冒險的畫面上來可是董事長你看樹人大冒險每一集都因著作權限制僅供原始頻道收視欸\n\n13\n00:04:11,259 --> 00:04:11,299\n請問這個問題是哪裡?\n\n14\n00:04:33,528 --> 00:04:46,760\n我們過去對著作權確實在跟委製單位或是內部的製作上在著作權的態度比較我認為是比較保守那今天我們會在老實說我也當過製作單位啊你忘了對啊\n\n15\n00:04:49,562 --> 00:05:18,079\n所以基本上還是是預算的問題嘛因為事實上你付他多少錢那你得到的版權你可以在多少的載體上面能夠去播出你也必須讓製作團隊你不能說我付他70萬、90萬的製作費我在所有的地方通通都可以播我覺得這樣不合理你知道製作動畫多麼的昂貴嗎一集是很貴很貴的所以如果是這樣的話那他當然他先你付這個錢他只能在原事上面播放\n\n16\n00:05:18,999 --> 00:05:36,077\n他沒有授權你YT如果要在YT要在其他部分的話要另外加錢坦白講我覺得這合理啊好可是那所以縮規到最後還是錢的問題吧預算的問題吧是的就是我們在委制的過程製作單位他也會很堅持他的著作權\n\n17\n00:05:36,718 --> 00:05:52,595\n對這一塊我覺得我們應該用預算的方式去把它買斷或是用其他合作方式以前我在幫公共電視製作的時候我也很不希望是直接賣斷這麼便宜就買斷了這辛辛苦苦做的作品我也不希望是這樣所以說歸到底還是預算的問題\n\n18\n00:05:53,195 --> 00:06:12,582\n那預算你到底要爭取到多少才能夠足夠這樣而且我們今天跟這個課委會來比較坦白講我們做了一個比較其實這個課委會的部分課委會第一章第一章那課委會的部分和這個課台啦課台和人民台的部分你看看我們這個載體的部分其實課台的部分\n\n19\n00:06:13,382 --> 00:06:39,711\n坦白講還是多了一些喔他還是空間比較多了一些尤其是在podcast我們今天也在講podcast的部分啦因為親子這個族語的節目部分尤其是幼兒節目部分podcast有兩種啦一種就是上班族啊開車當背景音樂嘛但另外一種是什麼是還不會看字的小朋友是最好的那麼你的親子幼兒節目有沒有辦法轉換成podcast這個部分就像我自己也有一個podcast親子節目啊\n\n20\n00:06:40,271 --> 00:06:55,072\n所以在這個狀況下你是不是可以增加費用去談到這個部分Podcast的部分是不是可以更有企圖心的尤其是在學齡前兒童的節目這個部分我是認為是原民台可以再多折磨了董事長同意嗎\n\n21\n00:06:56,193 --> 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老實說我也當過製作單位啊你忘了對啊"},{"start":289.562,"end":318.079,"text":"所以基本上還是是預算的問題嘛因為事實上你付他多少錢那你得到的版權你可以在多少的載體上面能夠去播出你也必須讓製作團隊你不能說我付他70萬、90萬的製作費我在所有的地方通通都可以播我覺得這樣不合理你知道製作動畫多麼的昂貴嗎一集是很貴很貴的所以如果是這樣的話那他當然他先你付這個錢他只能在原事上面播放"},{"start":318.999,"end":336.077,"text":"他沒有授權你YT如果要在YT要在其他部分的話要另外加錢坦白講我覺得這合理啊好可是那所以縮規到最後還是錢的問題吧預算的問題吧是的就是我們在委制的過程製作單位他也會很堅持他的著作權"},{"start":336.718,"end":352.595,"text":"對這一塊我覺得我們應該用預算的方式去把它買斷或是用其他合作方式以前我在幫公共電視製作的時候我也很不希望是直接賣斷這麼便宜就買斷了這辛辛苦苦做的作品我也不希望是這樣所以說歸到底還是預算的問題"},{"start":353.195,"end":372.582,"text":"那預算你到底要爭取到多少才能夠足夠這樣而且我們今天跟這個課委會來比較坦白講我們做了一個比較其實這個課委會的部分課委會第一章第一章那課委會的部分和這個課台啦課台和人民台的部分你看看我們這個載體的部分其實課台的部分"},{"start":373.382,"end":399.711,"text":"坦白講還是多了一些喔他還是空間比較多了一些尤其是在podcast我們今天也在講podcast的部分啦因為親子這個族語的節目部分尤其是幼兒節目部分podcast有兩種啦一種就是上班族啊開車當背景音樂嘛但另外一種是什麼是還不會看字的小朋友是最好的那麼你的親子幼兒節目有沒有辦法轉換成podcast這個部分就像我自己也有一個podcast親子節目啊"},{"start":400.271,"end":415.072,"text":"所以在這個狀況下你是不是可以增加費用去談到這個部分Podcast的部分是不是可以更有企圖心的尤其是在學齡前兒童的節目這個部分我是認為是原民台可以再多折磨了董事長同意嗎"},{"start":416.193,"end":435.311,"text":"這也非常同意委員委員果然是專家就是我們對Podcast的經營這今年也很大的成果那在下個月我們會跟所有的節目42個節目會全部上Podcast那另外就是我們也會跟Spotify來做連結然後播出"},{"start":435.799,"end":451.782,"text":"我是覺得應該要認真爭取預算啦,如果不夠的話,主席很厲害,我們可以跟主席一起來爭取。好,謝謝。謝謝委員,謝謝主席。好,非常謝謝巧惠委員的質詢。謝謝董事長。繼續我們請蔓玉珍委員質詢。"}]}}}}