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CAPE），未來會跟美國、日本、加拿大、英國、韓國、菲律賓、新加坡、墨西哥、杜拜、百慕達等有司法管轄權的地方，一起面對資料跨境傳輸需求急速增加，個資侵害事故的發生，常常牽涉到境外等等的挑戰。官方說法是，當我們加入Global CAPE，我們會針對隱私、個資保護、跨境執法、資料分享、專業交流等等互助合作，進一步強化民眾資訊的隱私權保障。我想請問一下，你們有發布新聞稿，還放到網頁上，但我查了所有的立法院公報後發現，似乎還沒有送到立法院來。像這樣子的隱私執法機關，請問勞動部會多出哪些業務？對我們的勞工有哪些加分的措施？還有在公務預算經費上，又要編列哪些費用？"],["許部長銘春：報告委員，我們後續會配合國發會處理。至於比較詳細的部分，是不是請業務單位主管來說明？"],["陳委員菁徽：你會知道為什麼第一個發布的新聞稿是國發會──4月30號，再來是勞動部──5月7號，上週末則是內政部突然也大費周章地發了很多新聞稿──5月11號，甚至讓公務員加班，因為是禮拜六才發出來的；所以你們這個順序是有什麼原因嗎？"],["傅司長慧芝：報告委員，是這樣子，是國發會統整各部會的具體措施，先徵詢我們有沒有加入的意願，我們跟國發會表達勞動部有加入這個CAPE的意願，它綜整了以後，有關於協議的這件事情是國發會在處理，加入以後，它就發文給各部會，希望各部會站在自己部會的業務上面向民眾宣導我們有加入了。"],["陳委員菁徽：好，既然這是一個協議，所以我們並沒有很強制規定這16個政府單位或是這些國家，假使有任何一個國家並沒有配合或是違反當初的協議，最後應該要怎麼處理，所以這個什麼時候才會送到立法院來備查？因為大家對於這個Global CAPE的內容現在是搜不到，一無所知，你講得出來嗎？"],["傅司長慧芝：委員的這個疑問，我們後續會跟國發會這邊瞭解……"],["陳委員菁徽：那你講得出勞動部的業務嗎？勞動部會多出哪些業務？"],["傅司長慧芝：勞動部就是個人資料保護的問題，我們會配合國發會對於隱私資料、跨境配合打擊犯罪的這個部分來處理。"],["陳委員菁徽：所以這個跟警政系統的串聯會有什麼差別嗎？"],["傅司長慧芝：這邊是以個人資料保護、隱私的部分為主。"],["陳委員菁徽：好，我希望可以儘快看到送到立法院來，謝謝。"],["傅司長慧芝：謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝。接下來請林月琴委員質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":270,"meet_id":"委員會-11-1-26-16","speakers":["王育敏","蘇清泉","陳菁徽","陳昭姿","林月琴","邱鎮軍","廖偉翔","涂權吉","鄭天財Sra 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00:01:35,437\n國民黨黨團擬具:「工會法第四條及第六條條文修正草案案案。」案。這是部長從2017年就開始說的,您說支持組工會有這個四個建議,勞動部有四個建議,你看至今我們沒有一個有實現,第一個、第二個、第三個、第四個,那當然為什麼我們今天會這麼重視,因為第二個跟您是高度相關。\n\n5\n00:01:38,055 --> 00:02:04,214\n議員,你會不會覺得說身為一個部長又是勞工的靠山又是一位律師這些也不用本席跟您說了勞工三權就是團結權、集體、協商權還有爭議權所以我們看當初提出來的草案為什麼沒有人買單也沒有人感恩也沒有人想要來討論因為這邊寫得很清楚嘛當你有影響\n\n6\n00:02:05,575 --> 00:02:11,356\n允許協商協商權假使破裂就必須要走到爭議這一步可是呢你給他沒有力道的協商權他其實也不能幹嘛\n\n7\n00:02:29,660 --> 00:02:44,437\n最後當然你們的書面報告有寫到說已經把800人可以組成工協會下降為400人可是比起組工會只要30個人就可以成立這樣子的人數是天差地遠\n\n8\n00:02:45,718 --> 00:03:05,971\n除此之外警消人員他們每天忙在基層的工作就非常的忙碌了還要他們去找400個人一起來成立協會這樣是不是會太可可我也很想要聽聽部長您身為勞工的靠山又是律師又是這方面的專業有什麼看法這四個提案看起來目前就第二個比較可行啊\n\n9\n00:03:07,134 --> 00:03:21,966\n包括委員我想對於我們警消人員的這個團結權他應該給予保障我想勞動部包括我個人我自始至終我都支持啦都支持那當然到底要用什麼路徑\n\n10\n00:03:23,342 --> 00:03:24,663\n公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員\n\n11\n00:03:47,247 --> 00:03:47,267\n),委員\n\n12\n00:04:03,936 --> 00:04:15,127\n公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員\n\n13\n00:04:26,798 --> 00:04:27,759\n兼具兼具兼具\n\n14\n00:04:42,540 --> 00:04:47,566\n),委員王育敏等19人擬具:「工會法第四條及第六條條文修正草案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案\n\n15\n00:05:02,642 --> 00:05:08,530\n國民黨黨團擬具:「工會法第四條及第六條條文修正草案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案\n\n16\n00:05:19,085 --> 00:05:46,693\n人擬具〈工會法第四條及第六條條文修正草案案案〉案,但他們用怎麼樣一個另外一個那個組織來保障那些我覺得以臺灣來講我們其實最快啦我是覺得最快因為我們希望一個訴求就像委員講的公會法已經倡議這麼久了那如果其他路徑可以盡快達到他們的這個訴求的目的我覺得大家可以找這個方向來努力2017年你提出了四個方案但是去年你還是給了一個軟釘子啦\n\n17\n00:05:47,173 --> 00:06:15,205\n你最後是說其實還是修公務員的協會法是最快但是這次的草案當然這個書面報告也不是歸您管啦所以你應該也沒有辦法可能個人的立場你不方便說出那你公務人員協會法應該要怎麼修訂比較好可是我們還是希望說這個是您的一念之間啦所以我們可以禮拜三的時候繼續討論因為我們還是很希望可以保障錦霄的這個勞動三權\n\n18\n00:06:16,886 --> 00:06:40,493\n人擬具:「工會法第四條及第六條條文修正草案（事由．立法院第11屆第12會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會擬具:「工會法第四條及第六條條文修正草案．立法院第12會期社會福利及第六條條文修正草案．立法院第12會期社會福利及第六條條文修正草案．立法院第13會期社會福利及第16會期社會福利及第17會期社會福利及第18會期社會福利及第18會期社會福利及第19會期社會福利及第19會期社會福利及第20會期社會福利及第20會期社會福利及第21會期社會福\n\n19\n00:06:46,255 --> 00:06:50,745\n​​擬具公共利益的情況下看大家怎麼去有一個\n\n20\n00:06:53,082 --> 00:07:09,577\n公示出來因為爭議權為什麼像日本新加坡他也不不可以組工會可能我想他們也有一些考量比如說爭議這個罷工權可能會影響到社會大眾的一個好沒關係部長我們可以禮拜三禮拜四再繼續討論但是我覺得對於他們的協商跟結社這個部分我們認為應該要朝更寬的方向來做\n\n21\n00:07:16,843 --> 00:07:42,279\n可以協商的內容更寬嘛對結社的條件可以更寬鬆部長我們看一下吼5月7號的時候包括勞動部在內另外國科會教育部法務部內政部外交部等等對外發佈了在3月的時候正式加入一個全球隱私執法合作協議叫做GlobalCAP未來會跟美國日本加拿大英國韓國菲律賓加新加坡墨西哥杜拜\n\n22\n00:07:42,779 --> 00:08:00,356\n拜木達等由司法管轄權的地方一起面對資料跨境傳輸需求急速增加各自侵害事故的發生常常牽涉到境外等等的挑戰所以官方說法是說當我們加入GlobalCamp我們會針對隱私還有各自保護跨境執法\n\n23\n00:08:03,098 --> 00:08:07,841\n),委員陳菁徽等18人擬具〈工會法第四條及第六條條文修正草案案〉案〈公務預算〉案〈公務預算〉案〈公務預算〉\n\n24\n00:08:31,493 --> 00:08:33,875\n),國民黨黨團擬具:「工會法第四條及第六條條文修正草案案案案\n\n25\n00:08:51,650 --> 00:09:20,456\n再來是勞動部5月7號而上週末是內政部突然也大費周章的發了很多新聞稿5月11讓公務員是加班喔因為是禮拜六才發出來的所以你們這個順序是有什麼原因嗎報告委員是這樣子是國發會統整各部會的具體的措施先徵詢我們有沒有加入的意願那我們跟國發會表達勞動部有加入這個CAP的意願\n\n26\n00:09:21,349 --> 00:09:23,511\n),委員王育敏等21人擬具〈工會法第四條及第六條條文修正草案案〉案。\n\n27\n00:09:41,928 --> 00:10:03,397\n公平說好這16個政府或是這些國家假使他有任何一個國家並沒有配合或是違反當初的協議最後應該要怎麼處理所以這個是不是什麼時候才會讓送到立法院來被查因為大家對於這個globalcape的內容現在是收不到一無所知欸你講得出來嗎\n\n28\n00:10:07,718 --> 00:10:30,112\n委員的這個疑問我們後續會跟國發會那你講得出勞動部的業務嗎?勞動部會多出哪些業務嗎?勞動部就是個人資料保護的問題我們會配合國發會對於這個隱私跨境隱私資料跨境的配合打擊犯罪的這個部分所以這個跟警政系統的串聯會有什麼差別嗎?\n\n29\n00:10:31,924 --> 00:10:32,665\n以個人資料保護隱私為主。\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n7847\t10589\t各位委員主席請許部長好請許部長部長我知道這是最後一個禮拜我們一起相處但我們還是要工作到最後一點還是得認真我一定會盡忠職守到最後一刻謝謝那當然這禮拜的重頭戲就是審工會法老計法等相關的草案但大家為什麼這麼在意\n33143\t57606\t因為近期內實在有太多悲劇發生近四年內就有22位的基層員警自強去年民洋大火大家看電視都非常的痛心有四位消防人員不幸的喪生所以這些人剛好都在非常年輕的時候也是一個家庭的支柱所以我們必須要更爭取他們的權益去年第十屆的末期\n58627\t65737\t委員陳菁徽等18人擬具:「工會法第四條及第六條條文修正草案．立法院第四條及第六條條文修正草案．立法院第四條及第六條條文修正草案．立法院第四條及第六條條文修正草案．\n75510\t95437\t國民黨黨團擬具:「工會法第四條及第六條條文修正草案案案。」案。 這是部長從2017年就開始說的,您說支持組工會有這個四個建議,勞動部有四個建議,你看至今我們沒有一個有實現,第一個、第二個、第三個、第四個,那當然為什麼我們今天會這麼重視,因為第二個跟您是高度相關。\n98055\t124214\t議員,你會不會覺得說身為一個部長又是勞工的靠山又是一位律師這些也不用本席跟您說了勞工三權就是團結權、集體、協商權還有爭議權所以我們看當初提出來的草案為什麼沒有人買單也沒有人感恩也沒有人想要來討論因為這邊寫得很清楚嘛當你有影響\n125575\t131356\t允許協商協商權假使破裂就必須要走到爭議這一步可是呢你給他沒有力道的協商權他其實也不能幹嘛\n149660\t164437\t最後當然你們的書面報告有寫到說已經把800人可以組成工協會下降為400人可是比起組工會只要30個人就可以成立這樣子的人數是天差地遠\n165718\t185971\t除此之外警消人員他們每天忙在基層的工作就非常的忙碌了還要他們去找400個人一起來成立協會這樣是不是會太可可我也很想要聽聽部長您身為勞工的靠山又是律師又是這方面的專業有什麼看法這四個提案看起來目前就第二個比較可行啊\n187134\t201966\t包括委員我想對於我們警消人員的這個團結權他應該給予保障我想勞動部包括我個人我自始至終我都支持啦都支持那當然到底要用什麼路徑\n203342\t204663\t公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員\n227247\t227267\t),委員\n243936\t255127\t公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員\n266798\t267759\t兼具兼具兼具\n282540\t287566\t),委員王育敏等19人擬具:「工會法第四條及第六條條文修正草案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案\n302642\t308530\t國民黨黨團擬具:「工會法第四條及第六條條文修正草案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案\n319085\t346693\t人擬具〈工會法第四條及第六條條文修正草案案案〉案,但他們用怎麼樣一個另外一個那個組織來保障那些我覺得以臺灣來講我們其實最快啦我是覺得最快因為我們希望一個訴求就像委員講的公會法已經倡議這麼久了那如果其他路徑可以盡快達到他們的這個訴求的目的我覺得大家可以找這個方向來努力2017年你提出了四個方案但是去年你還是給了一個軟釘子啦\n347173\t375205\t你最後是說其實還是修公務員的協會法是最快但是這次的草案當然這個書面報告也不是歸您管啦所以你應該也沒有辦法可能個人的立場你不方便說出那你公務人員協會法應該要怎麼修訂比較好可是我們還是希望說這個是您的一念之間啦所以我們可以禮拜三的時候繼續討論因為我們還是很希望可以保障錦霄的這個勞動三權\n376886\t400493\t人擬具:「工會法第四條及第六條條文修正草案（事由．立法院第11屆第12會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會擬具:「工會法第四條及第六條條文修正草案．立法院第12會期社會福利及第六條條文修正草案．立法院第12會期社會福利及第六條條文修正草案．立法院第13會期社會福利及第16會期社會福利及第17會期社會福利及第18會期社會福利及第18會期社會福利及第19會期社會福利及第19會期社會福利及第20會期社會福利及第20會期社會福利及第21會期社會福\n406255\t410745\t​​擬具公共利益的情況下看大家怎麼去有一個\n413082\t429577\t公示出來因為爭議權為什麼像日本新加坡他也不不可以組工會可能我想他們也有一些考量比如說爭議這個罷工權可能會影響到社會大眾的一個好沒關係部長我們可以禮拜三禮拜四再繼續討論但是我覺得對於他們的協商跟結社這個部分我們認為應該要朝更寬的方向來做\n436843\t462279\t可以協商的內容更寬嘛對結社的條件可以更寬鬆部長我們看一下吼5月7號的時候包括勞動部在內另外國科會教育部法務部內政部外交部等等對外發佈了在3月的時候正式加入一個全球隱私執法合作協議叫做Global CAP未來會跟美國日本加拿大英國韓國菲律賓加新加坡墨西哥杜拜\n462779\t480356\t拜木達等由司法管轄權的地方一起面對資料跨境傳輸需求急速增加各自侵害事故的發生常常牽涉到境外等等的挑戰所以官方說法是說當我們加入Global Camp我們會針對隱私還有各自保護跨境執法\n483098\t487841\t),委員陳菁徽等18人擬具〈工會法第四條及第六條條文修正草案案〉案〈公務預算〉案〈公務預算〉案〈公務預算〉\n511493\t513875\t), 國民黨黨團擬具:「工會法第四條及第六條條文修正草案 案 案 案\n531650\t560456\t再來是勞動部5月7號而上週末是內政部突然也大費周章的發了很多新聞稿5月11讓公務員是加班喔因為是禮拜六才發出來的所以你們這個順序是有什麼原因嗎報告委員是這樣子是國發會統整各部會的具體的措施先徵詢我們有沒有加入的意願那我們跟國發會表達勞動部有加入這個CAP的意願\n561349\t563511\t), 委員王育敏等21人擬具〈工會法第四條及第六條條文修正草案案〉案。\n581928\t603397\t公平說好這16個政府或是這些國家假使他有任何一個國家並沒有配合或是違反當初的協議最後應該要怎麼處理所以這個是不是什麼時候才會讓送到立法院來被查因為大家對於這個global cape的內容現在是收不到一無所知欸你講得出來嗎\n607718\t630112\t委員的這個疑問我們後續會跟國發會那你講得出勞動部的業務嗎?勞動部會多出哪些業務嗎?勞動部就是個人資料保護的問題我們會配合國發會對於這個隱私跨境隱私資料跨境的配合打擊犯罪的這個部分所以這個跟警政系統的串聯會有什麼差別嗎?\n631924\t632665\t以個人資料保護隱私為主。\n","txt":"各位委員主席請許部長好請許部長部長我知道這是最後一個禮拜我們一起相處但我們還是要工作到最後一點還是得認真我一定會盡忠職守到最後一刻謝謝那當然這禮拜的重頭戲就是審工會法老計法等相關的草案但大家為什麼這麼在意\n因為近期內實在有太多悲劇發生近四年內就有22位的基層員警自強去年民洋大火大家看電視都非常的痛心有四位消防人員不幸的喪生所以這些人剛好都在非常年輕的時候也是一個家庭的支柱所以我們必須要更爭取他們的權益去年第十屆的末期\n委員陳菁徽等18人擬具:「工會法第四條及第六條條文修正草案．立法院第四條及第六條條文修正草案．立法院第四條及第六條條文修正草案．立法院第四條及第六條條文修正草案．\n國民黨黨團擬具:「工會法第四條及第六條條文修正草案案案。」案。 這是部長從2017年就開始說的,您說支持組工會有這個四個建議,勞動部有四個建議,你看至今我們沒有一個有實現,第一個、第二個、第三個、第四個,那當然為什麼我們今天會這麼重視,因為第二個跟您是高度相關。\n議員,你會不會覺得說身為一個部長又是勞工的靠山又是一位律師這些也不用本席跟您說了勞工三權就是團結權、集體、協商權還有爭議權所以我們看當初提出來的草案為什麼沒有人買單也沒有人感恩也沒有人想要來討論因為這邊寫得很清楚嘛當你有影響\n允許協商協商權假使破裂就必須要走到爭議這一步可是呢你給他沒有力道的協商權他其實也不能幹嘛\n最後當然你們的書面報告有寫到說已經把800人可以組成工協會下降為400人可是比起組工會只要30個人就可以成立這樣子的人數是天差地遠\n除此之外警消人員他們每天忙在基層的工作就非常的忙碌了還要他們去找400個人一起來成立協會這樣是不是會太可可我也很想要聽聽部長您身為勞工的靠山又是律師又是這方面的專業有什麼看法這四個提案看起來目前就第二個比較可行啊\n包括委員我想對於我們警消人員的這個團結權他應該給予保障我想勞動部包括我個人我自始至終我都支持啦都支持那當然到底要用什麼路徑\n公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員\n),委員\n公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員公務人員\n兼具兼具兼具\n),委員王育敏等19人擬具:「工會法第四條及第六條條文修正草案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案\n國民黨黨團擬具:「工會法第四條及第六條條文修正草案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案\n人擬具〈工會法第四條及第六條條文修正草案案案〉案,但他們用怎麼樣一個另外一個那個組織來保障那些我覺得以臺灣來講我們其實最快啦我是覺得最快因為我們希望一個訴求就像委員講的公會法已經倡議這麼久了那如果其他路徑可以盡快達到他們的這個訴求的目的我覺得大家可以找這個方向來努力2017年你提出了四個方案但是去年你還是給了一個軟釘子啦\n你最後是說其實還是修公務員的協會法是最快但是這次的草案當然這個書面報告也不是歸您管啦所以你應該也沒有辦法可能個人的立場你不方便說出那你公務人員協會法應該要怎麼修訂比較好可是我們還是希望說這個是您的一念之間啦所以我們可以禮拜三的時候繼續討論因為我們還是很希望可以保障錦霄的這個勞動三權\n人擬具:「工會法第四條及第六條條文修正草案（事由．立法院第11屆第12會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會擬具:「工會法第四條及第六條條文修正草案．立法院第12會期社會福利及第六條條文修正草案．立法院第12會期社會福利及第六條條文修正草案．立法院第13會期社會福利及第16會期社會福利及第17會期社會福利及第18會期社會福利及第18會期社會福利及第19會期社會福利及第19會期社會福利及第20會期社會福利及第20會期社會福利及第21會期社會福\n​​擬具公共利益的情況下看大家怎麼去有一個\n公示出來因為爭議權為什麼像日本新加坡他也不不可以組工會可能我想他們也有一些考量比如說爭議這個罷工權可能會影響到社會大眾的一個好沒關係部長我們可以禮拜三禮拜四再繼續討論但是我覺得對於他們的協商跟結社這個部分我們認為應該要朝更寬的方向來做\n可以協商的內容更寬嘛對結社的條件可以更寬鬆部長我們看一下吼5月7號的時候包括勞動部在內另外國科會教育部法務部內政部外交部等等對外發佈了在3月的時候正式加入一個全球隱私執法合作協議叫做Global CAP未來會跟美國日本加拿大英國韓國菲律賓加新加坡墨西哥杜拜\n拜木達等由司法管轄權的地方一起面對資料跨境傳輸需求急速增加各自侵害事故的發生常常牽涉到境外等等的挑戰所以官方說法是說當我們加入Global Camp我們會針對隱私還有各自保護跨境執法\n),委員陳菁徽等18人擬具〈工會法第四條及第六條條文修正草案案〉案〈公務預算〉案〈公務預算〉案〈公務預算〉\n), 國民黨黨團擬具:「工會法第四條及第六條條文修正草案 案 案 案\n再來是勞動部5月7號而上週末是內政部突然也大費周章的發了很多新聞稿5月11讓公務員是加班喔因為是禮拜六才發出來的所以你們這個順序是有什麼原因嗎報告委員是這樣子是國發會統整各部會的具體的措施先徵詢我們有沒有加入的意願那我們跟國發會表達勞動部有加入這個CAP的意願\n), 委員王育敏等21人擬具〈工會法第四條及第六條條文修正草案案〉案。\n公平說好這16個政府或是這些國家假使他有任何一個國家並沒有配合或是違反當初的協議最後應該要怎麼處理所以這個是不是什麼時候才會讓送到立法院來被查因為大家對於這個global cape的內容現在是收不到一無所知欸你講得出來嗎\n委員的這個疑問我們後續會跟國發會那你講得出勞動部的業務嗎?勞動部會多出哪些業務嗎?勞動部就是個人資料保護的問題我們會配合國發會對於這個隱私跨境隱私資料跨境的配合打擊犯罪的這個部分所以這個跟警政系統的串聯會有什麼差別嗎?\n以個人資料保護隱私為主。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:07.847 --> 00:10.589\n各位委員主席請許部長好請許部長部長我知道這是最後一個禮拜我們一起相處但我們還是要工作到最後一點還是得認真我一定會盡忠職守到最後一刻謝謝那當然這禮拜的重頭戲就是審工會法老計法等相關的草案但大家為什麼這麼在意\n\n00:33.143 --> 00:57.606\n因為近期內實在有太多悲劇發生近四年內就有22位的基層員警自強去年民洋大火大家看電視都非常的痛心有四位消防人員不幸的喪生所以這些人剛好都在非常年輕的時候也是一個家庭的支柱所以我們必須要更爭取他們的權益去年第十屆的末期\n\n00:58.627 --> 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