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00:02:03,460\n那當然後續我相信以教育的議題還是不斷我早上我有跟陳培文在講我說學生輔導法這是一個關係到孩子未來在校園內能不能更好的友善互動避免這種遭受人身各方面的攻擊這個我還在努力\n\n6\n00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:25,705\n謝謝,我想這個部長一定零別有很多話說啦,但是我相信這以後啊,您應該還是在教育的領域裡面,那很多事情還可以繼續來關心。但今天呢,針對召委排的這個議題,我想來請教一下,那我們過去有這個新南向專班嘛,對不對,然後現在我們又再增加了一個新型專班,那這個新型專班大家也是希望能夠擴大國際生來臺、留臺的一個計畫,\n\n7\n00:02:28,746 --> 00:02:28,766\n韓國瑜議員\n\n8\n00:02:45,407 --> 00:02:50,049\n我們預估要招收的人數是1200人不過部長我看到您的報告裡面現在合訂了35校123班所以整個人數上是2301人比預估的還要多出了1101人可以說達成率是192班怎麼會這麼多這個數字是正確的嗎\n\n9\n00:03:08,886 --> 00:03:14,772\n跟我們報告這個是正確的數字這個數字是正確的因為這一次在進行專班這部分跟過往國際學生招生有比較大的不同的地方這一次是企業充分的參與因為也是我們國內企業企業充分參與一定是好的因為他還會給他們每個月有像類似生活津貼的這種費用\n\n10\n00:03:32,210 --> 00:03:32,771\n委員那個過程還在修正計畫有些學校他們其實已經申請了\n\n11\n00:03:50,347 --> 00:03:51,088\n新南向專班畢業留台就業率64%來台就學人數18568人\n\n12\n00:04:18,490 --> 00:04:31,156\n那希望留臺就業率是19777人這個數字蠻奇怪的也就是說來臺就學沒有這麼多人為什麼留臺就業可以比來臺就學人更多那甚至於留臺就業率會超過100%\n\n13\n00:04:34,157 --> 00:05:03,116\n這個數字是怎麼回事我跟委員報告齁因為在這個報告裡面教育部有把最近從新南向產息專班到擴大重點領域到現在所提的這一些還有我們的高教生根它其實是一個能夠以一定的基礎之下再來不斷的來擴充那所以增加出來的這個部分的就業即使包含我們前面的一些它其實會有這樣的外溢的效果你是說包含什麼因為這個數字有一個很大的落差嘛\n\n14\n00:05:03,976 --> 00:05:23,344\n因為過往根文報告現在我們在過去的相關的措施國際學生境外學生留下來在臺灣工作大概4成不是那個部長我曉得嘛那現在因為你來臺的學生數就沒有這麼多那你怎麼會留臺的學生數可以超過來臺的學生數本席的問題是這一個\n\n15\n00:05:24,304 --> 00:05:48,720\n沒有委員這部分為什麼當時在呈現這個也是要讓委員知道說這幾個措施即使它是增加了我們講的叫外溢的效益那這部分我也跟委員報告因為從哪裡的外溢沒有它本來也有很多的境外的外籍學生在臺灣所以我們在生根計畫裡面有設了一個非常重要的措施希望學校要成立專責的人員因為以前國際學生畢業以後就回去了\n\n16\n00:05:51,061 --> 00:06:08,960\n好部長這樣子本能了解但是我希望你以後報告或計畫要再寫清楚一點因為你專程否這個計畫來一萬八千多個人然後流台要一萬九這就不對了嘛如果你是有外溢還有其他的加進來我們當然希望這個人數是可以多的但你不能給這個其實是錯誤的資訊好不好這個擺脫一下以後我們計畫跟報告數字要詳細\n\n17\n00:06:17,366 --> 00:06:32,091\n您在任這麼多年,也非常重視校園霸凌。早上您也說了,我們在桃園的這所私立高中有一部霸凌的影片流出來,您也看過了。就您看完了以後,覺得這算不算霸凌?\n\n18\n00:06:32,691 --> 00:06:35,112\n對從影像上看到是霸凌但是我覺得我們其實在4月16號的時候教育部才新修訂了校園霸凌防制準則對不對\n\n19\n00:06:48,700 --> 00:06:49,060\n王美玲教授\n\n20\n00:07:04,955 --> 00:07:16,345\n那當然我相信沒有一個學校會惡意的刻意的要把這個霸凌案件去壓下來但處理過程的粗糙以及可能沒有按照這個準則去做那就會引起很多的問題嘛好那我們來看這個霸凌準則下去了以後本身發現其實很多的學校還不太清楚這個準則的這個內容是什麼\n\n21\n00:07:27,014 --> 00:07:27,114\n李慧琼議員\n\n22\n00:07:50,979 --> 00:08:15,005\n了解教育部就說這個是希望能調解那最後呢其實是大家根本不了解不知道無解你知道嗎那你看喔這個準則弄得亂七八糟以後光一個名詞可以弄到這個事件更複雜喔所以呢我們看到根據這個準則案件發生24小時之內要通報主管機關嘛對不對那接下來的這個準則部長知道嗎\n\n23\n00:08:16,472 --> 00:08:41,311\n這個準則你都了解嗎?你都了解,好那所以呢也要審議小組來認定是不是霸凌五日之內要組成有一半外部委員的處理小組然後才能進入雙方是不是能夠調和、調解或是調查嘛那最短一週、最長不可以超過四個月要把這件事情去結案喔所以我們看到這所私立高中其實都沒有按照這樣的一個步驟在走\n\n24\n00:08:42,071 --> 00:08:44,152\n謝謝委員指教這個確實我們這次整個修訂後一個比較大的措施把師對就教職員工對於生拉開來\n\n25\n00:09:01,403 --> 00:09:01,423\n〔記者訪問〕\n\n26\n00:09:28,218 --> 00:09:29,579\n一百零八年的時候七百六十七件到一百一十二年的時候兩千五百零二件\n\n27\n00:09:57,409 --> 00:09:57,609\n第二張表\n\n28\n00:10:15,100 --> 00:10:43,524\n那第二張表呢是這個各級暴力事件跟偏差行為的一個這個通報的案件數我們也可以看到從108年的9385件一直到112年的26171件也成長了近三倍所以其實部長這一次我們看到這所私立高中的這個霸凌的影片其實真的讓我們非常心痛不要說我也是一個為人母的角色去看任何人看到其實都覺得\n\n29\n00:10:44,144 --> 00:10:59,351\n太離譜太誇張了那麼先是打巴掌呼頭那麼接下來其實用剪刀去剪頭髮這一幕其實我相信大家看的那不是剪那個孩子的頭髮剪得每一個人的心都碎了因為我們要知道其實這個就是一種接近是毀容的行為了身體髮膚受之父母\n\n30\n00:11:01,892 --> 00:11:26,820\n尤其是女孩子最在乎了這個頭髮就像她第二生命一樣所以我想這個事件其實是還蠻嚴重的但是呢我們看到這幾年我們不斷地在做那不斷地在關注但是呢生對生的校園霸凌的案件數跟各級暴力事件跟偏差行為還是不斷地在成長我想我們的教育到底怎麼了這個真的是值得我們來深思的到底我們的教育怎麼了如果只是一直用準則去規範一直用處罰\n\n31\n00:11:29,301 --> 00:11:57,960\n去做事後的處罰我想這不是教育的根本之道最後在這個案件當中出現一個問題我們都知道現在要求教官退出校園所以不足的人力我們用學務創新人力去代替但是以這個學校本來應該有四名教官缺但因為預缺不補所以只有兩個教官那麼這兩個教官要負責全校一千將近四百個學生所以校安其實有漏洞那你說另外補那兩個缺\n\n32\n00:12:20,345 --> 00:12:48,900\n那都是由這個教育局去做統一甄選但是一旦在第一時間甄選完畢沒有人要來的時候這個專案結束掉這個學校就繼續空缺了我們是不是能夠因為桃園市教育局其實也有發文到教育部去能不能讓這一些通過統一甄選但是補不到人的學校可以用專案的方式再自行去聘足這個校安人力否則這樣人力真的不足以支應現在節節高升的校園霸凌跟這個行為偏差事件部長可以嗎\n\n33\n00:12:49,602 --> 00:13:16,450\n好,各位報告我想在人力的徵選補充這方面我請國教組跟學特師再做一個研組因為人還是要到位因為教官是換成1.5位聘不到人就是0的意思這點我想我請我們兩個單位在這方面來做一個研組因應我想這個您臨別最後給您的一個任務能不能一個月內請他們把這個協議的結果告訴我們可以好,謝謝好,謝謝委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n6975\t7275\t潘文忠列席\n28844\t34786\t大家很關注的從這個把管案然後少子化的衝擊到108課綱的爭議私校退場條例等等那歷經過這些爭議同時呢我們也一起完成過國教法特教法這幾部大法的一個修法我想這個七年多來應該功勞苦勞都有了那所以是不是給你個30秒來談一下你的心得這個一個臨別感言好不好\n53933\t80654\t謝謝委員因為委員對教育也都很深入所以我們有好多的對話不管在詢答或私下的過程那我也跟委員報告因為教育真的是盤根錯節各方的期待也有很大的差異所以在遂行教育公共政策我自己很堅持的是希望能夠多溝通然後在整個政策的推動各方面也不要太單一一言化這個我一直認為因為你是學生家長的你更知道家長們的期許其實差異也大\n83416\t103168\t有沒有什麼遺憾我跟委員報告因為教育一棒接一棒我認為這七年多來謝謝大院也給我很大的支持教育部的同仁全力做能做的包括剛才委員講我們去年的兩部大法這個60幾項的執法我也在上個禮拜通通把它完成了\n104409\t123460\t那當然後續我相信以教育的議題還是不斷我早上我有跟陳培文在講我說學生輔導法這是一個關係到孩子未來在校園內能不能更好的友善互動避免這種遭受人身各方面的攻擊這個我還在努力\n124560\t145705\t謝謝,我想這個部長一定零別有很多話說啦,但是我相信這以後啊,您應該還是在教育的領域裡面,那很多事情還可以繼續來關心。但今天呢,針對召委排的這個議題,我想來請教一下,那我們過去有這個新南向專班嘛,對不對,然後現在我們又再增加了一個新型專班,那這個新型專班大家也是希望能夠擴大國際生來臺、留臺的一個計畫,\n148746\t148766\t韓國瑜議員\n165407\t170049\t我們預估要招收的人數是1200人不過部長我看到您的報告裡面現在合訂了35校123班所以整個人數上是2301人比預估的還要多出了1101人可以說達成率是192班怎麼會這麼多 這個數字是正確的嗎\n188886\t194772\t跟我們報告這個是正確的數字這個數字是正確的因為這一次在進行專班這部分跟過往國際學生招生有比較大的不同的地方這一次是企業充分的參與因為也是我們國內企業企業充分參與一定是好的因為他還會給他們每個月有像類似生活津貼的這種費用\n212210\t212771\t委員那個過程還在修正計畫有些學校他們其實已經申請了\n230347\t231088\t新南向專班畢業留台就業率64%來台就學人數18568人\n258490\t271156\t那希望留臺就業率是19777人這個數字蠻奇怪的也就是說來臺就學沒有這麼多人為什麼留臺就業可以比來臺就學人更多那甚至於留臺就業率會超過100%\n274157\t303116\t這個數字是怎麼回事我跟委員報告齁因為在這個報告裡面教育部有把最近從新南向產息專班到擴大重點領域到現在所提的這一些還有我們的高教生根它其實是一個能夠以一定的基礎之下再來不斷的來擴充那所以增加出來的這個部分的就業即使包含我們前面的一些它其實會有這樣的外溢的效果你是說包含什麼因為這個數字有一個很大的落差嘛\n303976\t323344\t因為過往根文報告現在我們在過去的相關的措施國際學生境外學生留下來在臺灣工作大概4成不是那個部長我曉得嘛那現在因為你來臺的學生數就沒有這麼多那你怎麼會留臺的學生數可以超過來臺的學生數本席的問題是這一個\n324304\t348720\t沒有 委員這部分為什麼當時在呈現這個也是要讓委員知道說這幾個措施即使它是增加了我們講的叫外溢的效益那這部分我也跟委員報告因為從哪裡的外溢沒有 它本來也有很多的境外的外籍學生在臺灣所以我們在生根計畫裡面有設了一個非常重要的措施希望學校要成立專責的人員因為以前國際學生畢業以後就回去了\n351061\t368960\t好部長這樣子本能了解但是我希望你以後報告或計畫要再寫清楚一點因為你專程否這個計畫來一萬八千多個人然後流台要一萬九這就不對了嘛如果你是有外溢還有其他的加進來我們當然希望這個人數是可以多的但你不能給這個其實是錯誤的資訊好不好這個擺脫一下以後我們計畫跟報告數字要詳細\n377366\t392091\t您在任這麼多年,也非常重視校園霸凌。早上您也說了,我們在桃園的這所私立高中有一部霸凌的影片流出來,您也看過了。就您看完了以後,覺得這算不算霸凌?\n392691\t395112\t對 從影像上看到是霸凌但是我覺得我們其實在4月16號的時候教育部才新修訂了校園霸凌防制準則 對不對\n408700\t409060\t王美玲教授\n424955\t436345\t那當然我相信沒有一個學校會惡意的刻意的要把這個霸凌案件去壓下來但處理過程的粗糙以及可能沒有按照這個準則去做那就會引起很多的問題嘛好 那我們來看這個霸凌準則下去了以後本身發現其實很多的學校還不太清楚這個準則的這個內容是什麼\n447014\t447114\t李慧琼議員\n470979\t495005\t了解教育部就說這個是希望能調解那最後呢其實是大家根本不了解不知道無解你知道嗎那你看喔這個準則弄得亂七八糟以後光一個名詞可以弄到這個事件更複雜喔所以呢我們看到根據這個準則案件發生24小時之內要通報主管機關嘛對不對那接下來的這個準則部長知道嗎\n496472\t521311\t這個準則你都了解嗎?你都了解,好那所以呢也要審議小組來認定是不是霸凌五日之內要組成有一半外部委員的處理小組然後才能進入雙方是不是能夠調和、調解或是調查嘛那最短一週、最長不可以超過四個月要把這件事情去結案喔所以我們看到這所私立高中其實都沒有按照這樣的一個步驟在走\n522071\t524152\t謝謝委員指教這個確實我們這次整個修訂後一個比較大的措施把師對就教職員工對於生拉開來\n541403\t541423\t〔記者訪問〕\n568218\t569579\t一百零八年的時候七百六十七件到一百一十二年的時候兩千五百零二件\n597409\t597609\t第二張表\n615100\t643524\t那第二張表呢是這個各級暴力事件跟偏差行為的一個這個通報的案件數我們也可以看到從108年的9385件一直到112年的26171件也成長了近三倍所以其實部長這一次我們看到這所私立高中的這個霸凌的影片其實真的讓我們非常心痛不要說我也是一個為人母的角色去看任何人看到其實都覺得\n644144\t659351\t太離譜太誇張了那麼先是打巴掌呼頭那麼接下來其實用剪刀去剪頭髮這一幕其實我相信大家看的那不是剪那個孩子的頭髮剪得每一個人的心都碎了因為我們要知道其實這個就是一種接近是毀容的行為了身體髮膚受之父母\n661892\t686820\t尤其是女孩子最在乎了這個頭髮就像她第二生命一樣所以我想這個事件其實是還蠻嚴重的但是呢我們看到這幾年我們不斷地在做那不斷地在關注但是呢生對生的校園霸凌的案件數跟各級暴力事件跟偏差行為還是不斷地在成長我想我們的教育到底怎麼了這個真的是值得我們來深思的到底我們的教育怎麼了如果只是一直用準則去規範一直用處罰\n689301\t717960\t去做事後的處罰我想這不是教育的根本之道最後在這個案件當中出現一個問題我們都知道現在要求教官退出校園所以不足的人力我們用學務創新人力去代替但是以這個學校本來應該有四名教官缺但因為預缺不補所以只有兩個教官那麼這兩個教官要負責全校一千將近四百個學生所以校安其實有漏洞那你說另外補那兩個缺\n719121\t740265\t響鐘\n740345\t768900\t那都是由這個教育局去做統一甄選但是一旦在第一時間甄選完畢沒有人要來的時候這個專案結束掉這個學校就繼續空缺了我們是不是能夠因為桃園市教育局其實也有發文到教育部去能不能讓這一些通過統一甄選但是補不到人的學校可以用專案的方式再自行去聘足這個校安人力否則這樣人力真的不足以支應現在節節高升的校園霸凌跟這個行為偏差事件部長可以嗎\n769602\t796450\t好,各位報告我想在人力的徵選補充這方面我請國教組跟學特師再做一個研組因為人還是要到位因為教官是換成1.5位聘不到人就是0的意思這點我想我請我們兩個單位在這方面來做一個研組因應我想這個您臨別最後給您的一個任務能不能一個月內請他們把這個協議的結果告訴我們可以好,謝謝好,謝謝委員\n","txt":"潘文忠列席\n大家很關注的從這個把管案然後少子化的衝擊到108課綱的爭議私校退場條例等等那歷經過這些爭議同時呢我們也一起完成過國教法特教法這幾部大法的一個修法我想這個七年多來應該功勞苦勞都有了那所以是不是給你個30秒來談一下你的心得這個一個臨別感言好不好\n謝謝委員因為委員對教育也都很深入所以我們有好多的對話不管在詢答或私下的過程那我也跟委員報告因為教育真的是盤根錯節各方的期待也有很大的差異所以在遂行教育公共政策我自己很堅持的是希望能夠多溝通然後在整個政策的推動各方面也不要太單一一言化這個我一直認為因為你是學生家長的你更知道家長們的期許其實差異也大\n有沒有什麼遺憾我跟委員報告因為教育一棒接一棒我認為這七年多來謝謝大院也給我很大的支持教育部的同仁全力做能做的包括剛才委員講我們去年的兩部大法這個60幾項的執法我也在上個禮拜通通把它完成了\n那當然後續我相信以教育的議題還是不斷我早上我有跟陳培文在講我說學生輔導法這是一個關係到孩子未來在校園內能不能更好的友善互動避免這種遭受人身各方面的攻擊這個我還在努力\n謝謝,我想這個部長一定零別有很多話說啦,但是我相信這以後啊,您應該還是在教育的領域裡面,那很多事情還可以繼續來關心。但今天呢,針對召委排的這個議題,我想來請教一下,那我們過去有這個新南向專班嘛,對不對,然後現在我們又再增加了一個新型專班,那這個新型專班大家也是希望能夠擴大國際生來臺、留臺的一個計畫,\n韓國瑜議員\n我們預估要招收的人數是1200人不過部長我看到您的報告裡面現在合訂了35校123班所以整個人數上是2301人比預估的還要多出了1101人可以說達成率是192班怎麼會這麼多 這個數字是正確的嗎\n跟我們報告這個是正確的數字這個數字是正確的因為這一次在進行專班這部分跟過往國際學生招生有比較大的不同的地方這一次是企業充分的參與因為也是我們國內企業企業充分參與一定是好的因為他還會給他們每個月有像類似生活津貼的這種費用\n委員那個過程還在修正計畫有些學校他們其實已經申請了\n新南向專班畢業留台就業率64%來台就學人數18568人\n那希望留臺就業率是19777人這個數字蠻奇怪的也就是說來臺就學沒有這麼多人為什麼留臺就業可以比來臺就學人更多那甚至於留臺就業率會超過100%\n這個數字是怎麼回事我跟委員報告齁因為在這個報告裡面教育部有把最近從新南向產息專班到擴大重點領域到現在所提的這一些還有我們的高教生根它其實是一個能夠以一定的基礎之下再來不斷的來擴充那所以增加出來的這個部分的就業即使包含我們前面的一些它其實會有這樣的外溢的效果你是說包含什麼因為這個數字有一個很大的落差嘛\n因為過往根文報告現在我們在過去的相關的措施國際學生境外學生留下來在臺灣工作大概4成不是那個部長我曉得嘛那現在因為你來臺的學生數就沒有這麼多那你怎麼會留臺的學生數可以超過來臺的學生數本席的問題是這一個\n沒有 委員這部分為什麼當時在呈現這個也是要讓委員知道說這幾個措施即使它是增加了我們講的叫外溢的效益那這部分我也跟委員報告因為從哪裡的外溢沒有 它本來也有很多的境外的外籍學生在臺灣所以我們在生根計畫裡面有設了一個非常重要的措施希望學校要成立專責的人員因為以前國際學生畢業以後就回去了\n好部長這樣子本能了解但是我希望你以後報告或計畫要再寫清楚一點因為你專程否這個計畫來一萬八千多個人然後流台要一萬九這就不對了嘛如果你是有外溢還有其他的加進來我們當然希望這個人數是可以多的但你不能給這個其實是錯誤的資訊好不好這個擺脫一下以後我們計畫跟報告數字要詳細\n您在任這麼多年,也非常重視校園霸凌。早上您也說了,我們在桃園的這所私立高中有一部霸凌的影片流出來,您也看過了。就您看完了以後,覺得這算不算霸凌?\n對 從影像上看到是霸凌但是我覺得我們其實在4月16號的時候教育部才新修訂了校園霸凌防制準則 對不對\n王美玲教授\n那當然我相信沒有一個學校會惡意的刻意的要把這個霸凌案件去壓下來但處理過程的粗糙以及可能沒有按照這個準則去做那就會引起很多的問題嘛好 那我們來看這個霸凌準則下去了以後本身發現其實很多的學校還不太清楚這個準則的這個內容是什麼\n李慧琼議員\n了解教育部就說這個是希望能調解那最後呢其實是大家根本不了解不知道無解你知道嗎那你看喔這個準則弄得亂七八糟以後光一個名詞可以弄到這個事件更複雜喔所以呢我們看到根據這個準則案件發生24小時之內要通報主管機關嘛對不對那接下來的這個準則部長知道嗎\n這個準則你都了解嗎?你都了解,好那所以呢也要審議小組來認定是不是霸凌五日之內要組成有一半外部委員的處理小組然後才能進入雙方是不是能夠調和、調解或是調查嘛那最短一週、最長不可以超過四個月要把這件事情去結案喔所以我們看到這所私立高中其實都沒有按照這樣的一個步驟在走\n謝謝委員指教這個確實我們這次整個修訂後一個比較大的措施把師對就教職員工對於生拉開來\n〔記者訪問〕\n一百零八年的時候七百六十七件到一百一十二年的時候兩千五百零二件\n第二張表\n那第二張表呢是這個各級暴力事件跟偏差行為的一個這個通報的案件數我們也可以看到從108年的9385件一直到112年的26171件也成長了近三倍所以其實部長這一次我們看到這所私立高中的這個霸凌的影片其實真的讓我們非常心痛不要說我也是一個為人母的角色去看任何人看到其實都覺得\n太離譜太誇張了那麼先是打巴掌呼頭那麼接下來其實用剪刀去剪頭髮這一幕其實我相信大家看的那不是剪那個孩子的頭髮剪得每一個人的心都碎了因為我們要知道其實這個就是一種接近是毀容的行為了身體髮膚受之父母\n尤其是女孩子最在乎了這個頭髮就像她第二生命一樣所以我想這個事件其實是還蠻嚴重的但是呢我們看到這幾年我們不斷地在做那不斷地在關注但是呢生對生的校園霸凌的案件數跟各級暴力事件跟偏差行為還是不斷地在成長我想我們的教育到底怎麼了這個真的是值得我們來深思的到底我們的教育怎麼了如果只是一直用準則去規範一直用處罰\n去做事後的處罰我想這不是教育的根本之道最後在這個案件當中出現一個問題我們都知道現在要求教官退出校園所以不足的人力我們用學務創新人力去代替但是以這個學校本來應該有四名教官缺但因為預缺不補所以只有兩個教官那麼這兩個教官要負責全校一千將近四百個學生所以校安其實有漏洞那你說另外補那兩個缺\n響鐘\n那都是由這個教育局去做統一甄選但是一旦在第一時間甄選完畢沒有人要來的時候這個專案結束掉這個學校就繼續空缺了我們是不是能夠因為桃園市教育局其實也有發文到教育部去能不能讓這一些通過統一甄選但是補不到人的學校可以用專案的方式再自行去聘足這個校安人力否則這樣人力真的不足以支應現在節節高升的校園霸凌跟這個行為偏差事件部長可以嗎\n好,各位報告我想在人力的徵選補充這方面我請國教組跟學特師再做一個研組因為人還是要到位因為教官是換成1.5位聘不到人就是0的意思這點我想我請我們兩個單位在這方面來做一個研組因應我想這個您臨別最後給您的一個任務能不能一個月內請他們把這個協議的結果告訴我們可以好,謝謝好,謝謝委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:06.975 --> 00:07.275\n潘文忠列席\n\n00:28.844 --> 00:34.786\n大家很關注的從這個把管案然後少子化的衝擊到108課綱的爭議私校退場條例等等那歷經過這些爭議同時呢我們也一起完成過國教法特教法這幾部大法的一個修法我想這個七年多來應該功勞苦勞都有了那所以是不是給你個30秒來談一下你的心得這個一個臨別感言好不好\n\n00:53.933 --> 01:20.654\n謝謝委員因為委員對教育也都很深入所以我們有好多的對話不管在詢答或私下的過程那我也跟委員報告因為教育真的是盤根錯節各方的期待也有很大的差異所以在遂行教育公共政策我自己很堅持的是希望能夠多溝通然後在整個政策的推動各方面也不要太單一一言化這個我一直認為因為你是學生家長的你更知道家長們的期許其實差異也大\n\n01:23.416 --> 01:43.168\n有沒有什麼遺憾我跟委員報告因為教育一棒接一棒我認為這七年多來謝謝大院也給我很大的支持教育部的同仁全力做能做的包括剛才委員講我們去年的兩部大法這個60幾項的執法我也在上個禮拜通通把它完成了\n\n01:44.409 --> 02:03.460\n那當然後續我相信以教育的議題還是不斷我早上我有跟陳培文在講我說學生輔導法這是一個關係到孩子未來在校園內能不能更好的友善互動避免這種遭受人身各方面的攻擊這個我還在努力\n\n02:04.560 --> 02:25.705\n謝謝,我想這個部長一定零別有很多話說啦,但是我相信這以後啊,您應該還是在教育的領域裡面,那很多事情還可以繼續來關心。但今天呢,針對召委排的這個議題,我想來請教一下,那我們過去有這個新南向專班嘛,對不對,然後現在我們又再增加了一個新型專班,那這個新型專班大家也是希望能夠擴大國際生來臺、留臺的一個計畫,\n\n02:28.746 --> 02:28.766\n韓國瑜議員\n\n02:45.407 --> 02:50.049\n我們預估要招收的人數是1200人不過部長我看到您的報告裡面現在合訂了35校123班所以整個人數上是2301人比預估的還要多出了1101人可以說達成率是192班怎麼會這麼多這個數字是正確的嗎\n\n03:08.886 --> 03:14.772\n跟我們報告這個是正確的數字這個數字是正確的因為這一次在進行專班這部分跟過往國際學生招生有比較大的不同的地方這一次是企業充分的參與因為也是我們國內企業企業充分參與一定是好的因為他還會給他們每個月有像類似生活津貼的這種費用\n\n03:32.210 --> 03:32.771\n委員那個過程還在修正計畫有些學校他們其實已經申請了\n\n03:50.347 --> 03:51.088\n新南向專班畢業留台就業率64%來台就學人數18568人\n\n04:18.490 --> 04:31.156\n那希望留臺就業率是19777人這個數字蠻奇怪的也就是說來臺就學沒有這麼多人為什麼留臺就業可以比來臺就學人更多那甚至於留臺就業率會超過100%\n\n04:34.157 --> 05:03.116\n這個數字是怎麼回事我跟委員報告齁因為在這個報告裡面教育部有把最近從新南向產息專班到擴大重點領域到現在所提的這一些還有我們的高教生根它其實是一個能夠以一定的基礎之下再來不斷的來擴充那所以增加出來的這個部分的就業即使包含我們前面的一些它其實會有這樣的外溢的效果你是說包含什麼因為這個數字有一個很大的落差嘛\n\n05:03.976 --> 05:23.344\n因為過往根文報告現在我們在過去的相關的措施國際學生境外學生留下來在臺灣工作大概4成不是那個部長我曉得嘛那現在因為你來臺的學生數就沒有這麼多那你怎麼會留臺的學生數可以超過來臺的學生數本席的問題是這一個\n\n05:24.304 --> 05:48.720\n沒有委員這部分為什麼當時在呈現這個也是要讓委員知道說這幾個措施即使它是增加了我們講的叫外溢的效益那這部分我也跟委員報告因為從哪裡的外溢沒有它本來也有很多的境外的外籍學生在臺灣所以我們在生根計畫裡面有設了一個非常重要的措施希望學校要成立專責的人員因為以前國際學生畢業以後就回去了\n\n05:51.061 --> 06:08.960\n好部長這樣子本能了解但是我希望你以後報告或計畫要再寫清楚一點因為你專程否這個計畫來一萬八千多個人然後流台要一萬九這就不對了嘛如果你是有外溢還有其他的加進來我們當然希望這個人數是可以多的但你不能給這個其實是錯誤的資訊好不好這個擺脫一下以後我們計畫跟報告數字要詳細\n\n06:17.366 --> 06:32.091\n您在任這麼多年,也非常重視校園霸凌。早上您也說了,我們在桃園的這所私立高中有一部霸凌的影片流出來,您也看過了。就您看完了以後,覺得這算不算霸凌?\n\n06:32.691 --> 06:35.112\n對從影像上看到是霸凌但是我覺得我們其實在4月16號的時候教育部才新修訂了校園霸凌防制準則對不對\n\n06:48.700 --> 06:49.060\n王美玲教授\n\n07:04.955 --> 07:16.345\n那當然我相信沒有一個學校會惡意的刻意的要把這個霸凌案件去壓下來但處理過程的粗糙以及可能沒有按照這個準則去做那就會引起很多的問題嘛好那我們來看這個霸凌準則下去了以後本身發現其實很多的學校還不太清楚這個準則的這個內容是什麼\n\n07:27.014 --> 07:27.114\n李慧琼議員\n\n07:50.979 --> 08:15.005\n了解教育部就說這個是希望能調解那最後呢其實是大家根本不了解不知道無解你知道嗎那你看喔這個準則弄得亂七八糟以後光一個名詞可以弄到這個事件更複雜喔所以呢我們看到根據這個準則案件發生24小時之內要通報主管機關嘛對不對那接下來的這個準則部長知道嗎\n\n08:16.472 --> 08:41.311\n這個準則你都了解嗎?你都了解,好那所以呢也要審議小組來認定是不是霸凌五日之內要組成有一半外部委員的處理小組然後才能進入雙方是不是能夠調和、調解或是調查嘛那最短一週、最長不可以超過四個月要把這件事情去結案喔所以我們看到這所私立高中其實都沒有按照這樣的一個步驟在走\n\n08:42.071 --> 08:44.152\n謝謝委員指教這個確實我們這次整個修訂後一個比較大的措施把師對就教職員工對於生拉開來\n\n09:01.403 --> 09:01.423\n〔記者訪問〕\n\n09:28.218 --> 09:29.579\n一百零八年的時候七百六十七件到一百一十二年的時候兩千五百零二件\n\n09:57.409 --> 09:57.609\n第二張表\n\n10:15.100 --> 10:43.524\n那第二張表呢是這個各級暴力事件跟偏差行為的一個這個通報的案件數我們也可以看到從108年的9385件一直到112年的26171件也成長了近三倍所以其實部長這一次我們看到這所私立高中的這個霸凌的影片其實真的讓我們非常心痛不要說我也是一個為人母的角色去看任何人看到其實都覺得\n\n10:44.144 --> 10:59.351\n太離譜太誇張了那麼先是打巴掌呼頭那麼接下來其實用剪刀去剪頭髮這一幕其實我相信大家看的那不是剪那個孩子的頭髮剪得每一個人的心都碎了因為我們要知道其實這個就是一種接近是毀容的行為了身體髮膚受之父母\n\n11:01.892 --> 11:26.820\n尤其是女孩子最在乎了這個頭髮就像她第二生命一樣所以我想這個事件其實是還蠻嚴重的但是呢我們看到這幾年我們不斷地在做那不斷地在關注但是呢生對生的校園霸凌的案件數跟各級暴力事件跟偏差行為還是不斷地在成長我想我們的教育到底怎麼了這個真的是值得我們來深思的到底我們的教育怎麼了如果只是一直用準則去規範一直用處罰\n\n11:29.301 --> 11:57.960\n去做事後的處罰我想這不是教育的根本之道最後在這個案件當中出現一個問題我們都知道現在要求教官退出校園所以不足的人力我們用學務創新人力去代替但是以這個學校本來應該有四名教官缺但因為預缺不補所以只有兩個教官那麼這兩個教官要負責全校一千將近四百個學生所以校安其實有漏洞那你說另外補那兩個缺\n\n12:20.345 --> 12:48.900\n那都是由這個教育局去做統一甄選但是一旦在第一時間甄選完畢沒有人要來的時候這個專案結束掉這個學校就繼續空缺了我們是不是能夠因為桃園市教育局其實也有發文到教育部去能不能讓這一些通過統一甄選但是補不到人的學校可以用專案的方式再自行去聘足這個校安人力否則這樣人力真的不足以支應現在節節高升的校園霸凌跟這個行為偏差事件部長可以嗎\n\n12:49.602 --> 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