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00:01:43,392\n主席主席主席\n\n6\n00:02:04,175 --> 00:02:30,721\n好我想原本要再問你有什麼未經之夜但我想很多事情都還有待我們再努力當然沒辦法一次把所有的一處集成所有的事情都完成但我想謝部長在本席初就任立委之際第一場的委員會質詢向部長爭取葉光天使延伸到寒暑假國中生的一個試班計畫獲得部長的認同當場允諾推動如同國教署署長所說試班計畫8月就要上路\n\n7\n00:02:30,981 --> 00:02:42,784\n到時候我想有機會邀請部長一起到台中到學校一起瞭解事辦計畫的一個情況順便給夜光天使的學生打氣鼓勵不知道未來有機會可以邀請你嗎\n\n8\n00:02:43,885 --> 00:02:48,168\n謝謝委員為這些需求家庭的孩子所爭取這個事辦當然國中的這部分在過往我覺得因為孩子比較大但委員這個提議當時我覺得因為夜光天使的情況我非常的了解確實幫到很多家庭比較沒辦法那麼可以支撐孩子的一個措施\n\n9\n00:03:06,701 --> 00:03:06,741\n主席\n\n10\n00:03:23,870 --> 00:03:42,972\n謝謝我常常一直在講這個計畫也是希望我們在跟某些特定的團體甚至是黑道組織在搶孩子我們希望能夠更認真用心的有這個機會場域去關心每個孩子讓孩子不要學壞讓孩子能夠在這個學業的過程當中或者是非學業的過程當中能夠感受到我們有其他的資源在挹注他們\n\n11\n00:03:44,454 --> 00:04:07,455\n但是講到這個我就還是要再提到其實剛剛的立法委員也都有提到包括紅夢凱委員萬美玲委員他們都有在講就是桃園這一個霸凌案件那當然眾說紛紜有人說這個孩子霸凌者的這個背景是可能有黑道組織的背景家境這樣的環境我們不確定\n\n12\n00:04:08,536 --> 00:04:26,165\n但我們非常關心我想還是再一次拿出這樣的數據108年到112年我們的暴力事件跟偏差行為的通報從不管是國小國中高中我們可以看到可以說是至少都2.3倍到4倍以上的一個成長\n\n13\n00:04:27,485 --> 00:04:47,122\n這不敢說是一定是教育有問題因為整個不管是我們的社會風氣以及我們的電影文化還有一些藝術去影響到他們會有這樣子的一個偏差行為都有可能可是我們看到在剪頭髮這個部分在這一次的案件令許多的家長觸目驚心一直紛紛的傳這些影片給我們\n\n14\n00:04:51,005 --> 00:05:08,556\n主題上我們很想討論但是在這一次的事件的突發性讓我們必須慎重我們還是希望在校園的霸凌事件我們該如何防範剛剛有人講到所謂的校安問題我們可能要用到的是可能是這些教官可是現在我們也在努力心理輔導法\n\n15\n00:05:09,477 --> 00:05:29,843\n我們希望在這個部分各個部分都應該要去著重如何去防範這部分後續的一些心理輔導不管是霸凌者跟被霸凌者我們要去關心那學校有沒有去做相關的人等的一個調查以及他的背景調查這部分有掌握嗎是謝謝委員委員就一點點時間我來報告一下\n\n16\n00:05:31,764 --> 00:05:56,605\n通報數字這個在我自己這麼這些年來不管在性平事件等等的我強烈的要求一定要那不是鼓勵那叫克責克責的意思是發現了就要通報不管先判斷它是真與否這個是我認為過去多年大家常常會說這裡頭有好多好多的黑數所以我剛才提到說成長幾倍這個本來政策就是克責\n\n17\n00:05:57,946 --> 00:06:23,219\n對當然我沒有批評阿相信就是把黑素找出來也是一件好事阿第二個我也跟委員報告這一次長達一年左右的時間去對於校園霸凌防制準則做修改這當中也確實做到非常多第一個就是說師對生的部分我們認為不要一直在這個裡頭他放在教師解聘不續聘的辦法當中來處理那生對生這一次在剛才委員說的嘛\n\n18\n00:06:24,119 --> 00:06:40,543\n一定要把它調查處理而且呢在這次的過程當中我們也希望它伴有教育的意涵不是永遠就處罰了有時候這些事情可能不是到此為止所以在這次生對生的霸凌準則裡面的修訂裡面特別也有幾個輔助的相關的但一定要有一個非常清楚的調查小組去做事項的釐清跟做後續的組織那第三點我跟委員補充\n\n19\n00:06:51,286 --> 00:06:51,426\n教育部部長\n\n20\n00:07:08,832 --> 00:07:08,852\n韓國瑜議員\n\n21\n00:07:35,698 --> 00:07:58,489\n是落單的我希望他是有更多的支持不管是網路事件的一個延燒到其實我的選區其實也蠻多有這樣子言語被霸凌進而選擇休學我們都很擔心這樣子孩子他落單了在這個休學的過程當中他可能會覺得沒有就放棄學業了甚至他不願意去學習一個人才的培育真的不易\n\n22\n00:07:59,189 --> 00:08:28,309\n當然我們再回到剛剛所說的就像柯志文委員在說的我看到這些數據其實我們也擔憂國際生還有國內生的一個關注我們當然知道要延攬人才的一個重要性我們支持但是我們希望在合理的一個前提下以及剛剛所提出的這些數據上我們一定要去好好了解到底誰是人才誰是單純來打工用著打工的名義來行使勞工這樣子的一個政策\n\n23\n00:08:29,069 --> 00:08:53,828\n並不是來真正讓我們來做一個教育培育人才的一個政策我想這個部分是可以有待我們做檢討的那再來我想就簡單的就叫世界上這麼多的國家臺灣有哪些優勢來推動國際招生其實我們大概也都知道我們是劣勢啦畢竟在這個部分上我們提供這麼多的一些資金就是希望能夠延攬人才的意願但是國際的趨勢還有國家\n\n24\n00:08:55,970 --> 00:09:10,750\n各個國家有各個國家他們可能有自己先天的產業優勢都有可能影響到國際生他的一個選擇但我想問一下最近我們有沒有什麼碰壁的地方現在跟部長在討論的是香港的招生5月9號的新聞美國的媒體報導\n\n25\n00:09:14,715 --> 00:09:26,793\n說這個臺灣大專院校被中聯辦打壓取消在香港的招生活動5月11的新聞港府憂慮賴政府兩岸論述暫停我大學赴港招生宣傳有這一類情勢嗎\n\n26\n00:09:28,101 --> 00:09:28,121\n羅廷瑋議員\n\n27\n00:09:49,580 --> 00:10:02,209\n最近這兩年我有觀察港澳的招生確實我們有面對一些可能來自於對岸政治上的一些措施因為原本我們的人數像香港這個人數其實是一直在成長但這尤其從去年111我就發現有降那這個現象我覺得跟香港這些年已經在中國這邊的政治相關的我覺得受到影響\n\n28\n00:10:18,001 --> 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特教法\n102671\t103392\t主席主席主席\n124175\t150721\t好 我想原本要再問你有什麼未經之夜但我想很多事情都還有待我們再努力當然沒辦法一次把所有的一處集成所有的事情都完成但我想謝部長在本席初就任立委之際第一場的委員會質詢向部長爭取葉光天使延伸到寒暑假國中生的一個試班計畫獲得部長的認同當場允諾推動如同國教署署長所說試班計畫8月就要上路\n150981\t162784\t到時候我想有機會邀請部長一起到台中到學校一起瞭解事辦計畫的一個情況順便給夜光天使的學生打氣鼓勵不知道未來有機會可以邀請你嗎\n163885\t168168\t謝謝委員為這些需求家庭的孩子所爭取這個事辦當然國中的這部分在過往我覺得因為孩子比較大但委員這個提議當時我覺得因為夜光天使的情況我非常的了解確實幫到很多家庭比較沒辦法那麼可以支撐孩子的一個措施\n186701\t186741\t主席\n203870\t222972\t謝謝 我常常一直在講這個計畫也是希望我們在跟某些特定的團體甚至是黑道組織在搶孩子我們希望能夠更認真用心的有這個機會場域去關心每個孩子讓孩子不要學壞讓孩子能夠在這個學業的過程當中或者是非學業的過程當中能夠感受到我們有其他的資源在挹注他們\n224454\t247455\t但是講到這個我就還是要再提到其實剛剛的立法委員也都有提到包括紅夢凱委員萬美玲委員他們都有在講就是桃園這一個霸凌案件那當然眾說紛紜有人說這個孩子霸凌者的這個背景是可能有黑道組織的背景家境這樣的環境我們不確定\n248536\t266165\t但我們非常關心我想還是再一次拿出這樣的數據108年到112年我們的暴力事件跟偏差行為的通報從不管是國小國中高中我們可以看到可以說是至少都2.3倍到4倍以上的一個成長\n267485\t287122\t這不敢說是一定是教育有問題因為整個不管是我們的社會風氣以及我們的電影文化還有一些藝術去影響到他們會有這樣子的一個偏差行為都有可能可是我們看到在剪頭髮這個部分在這一次的案件令許多的家長觸目驚心一直紛紛的傳這些影片給我們\n291005\t308556\t主題上我們很想討論但是在這一次的事件的突發性讓我們必須慎重我們還是希望在校園的霸凌事件我們該如何防範剛剛有人講到所謂的校安問題我們可能要用到的是可能是這些教官可是現在我們也在努力心理輔導法\n309477\t329843\t我們希望在這個部分各個部分都應該要去著重如何去防範這部分後續的一些心理輔導不管是霸凌者跟被霸凌者我們要去關心那學校有沒有去做相關的人等的一個調查以及他的背景調查這部分有掌握嗎是 謝謝委員委員就一點點時間我來報告一下\n331764\t356605\t通報數字這個在我自己這麼這些年來不管在性平事件等等的我強烈的要求一定要那不是鼓勵那叫克責克責的意思是發現了就要通報不管先判斷它是真與否這個是我認為過去多年大家常常會說這裡頭有好多好多的黑數所以我剛才提到說成長幾倍這個本來政策就是克責\n357946\t383219\t對 當然我沒有批評阿相信就是把黑素找出來也是一件好事阿第二個我也跟委員報告這一次長達一年左右的時間去對於校園霸凌防制準則做修改這當中也確實做到非常多第一個就是說師對生的部分我們認為不要一直在這個裡頭他放在教師解聘不續聘的辦法當中來處理那生對生這一次在剛才委員說的嘛\n384119\t400543\t一定要把它調查處理而且呢在這次的過程當中我們也希望它伴有教育的意涵不是永遠就處罰了有時候這些事情可能不是到此為止所以在這次生對生的霸凌準則裡面的修訂裡面特別也有幾個輔助的相關的但一定要有一個非常清楚的調查小組去做事項的釐清跟做後續的組織那第三點我跟委員補充\n411286\t411426\t教育部部長\n428832\t428852\t韓國瑜議員\n455698\t478489\t是落單的我希望他是有更多的支持不管是網路事件的一個延燒到其實我的選區其實也蠻多有這樣子言語被霸凌進而選擇休學我們都很擔心這樣子孩子他落單了在這個休學的過程當中他可能會覺得沒有就放棄學業了甚至他不願意去學習一個人才的培育真的不易\n479189\t508309\t當然我們再回到剛剛所說的就像柯志文委員在說的我看到這些數據其實我們也擔憂國際生還有國內生的一個關注我們當然知道要延攬人才的一個重要性我們支持但是我們希望在合理的一個前提下以及剛剛所提出的這些數據上我們一定要去好好了解到底誰是人才誰是單純來打工用著打工的名義來行使勞工這樣子的一個政策\n509069\t533828\t並不是來真正讓我們來做一個教育培育人才的一個政策我想這個部分是可以有待我們做檢討的那再來我想就簡單的就叫世界上這麼多的國家臺灣有哪些優勢來推動國際招生其實我們大概也都知道我們是劣勢啦畢竟在這個部分上我們提供這麼多的一些資金就是希望能夠延攬人才的意願但是國際的趨勢還有國家\n535970\t550750\t各個國家有各個國家他們可能有自己先天的產業優勢都有可能影響到國際生他的一個選擇但我想問一下最近我們有沒有什麼碰壁的地方現在跟部長在討論的是香港的招生5月9號的新聞美國的媒體報導\n554715\t566793\t說這個臺灣大專院校被中聯辦打壓取消在香港的招生活動5月11的新聞港府憂慮賴政府兩岸論述暫停我大學赴港招生宣傳有這一類情勢嗎\n568101\t568121\t羅廷瑋議員\n589580\t602209\t最近這兩年我有觀察港澳的招生確實我們有面對一些可能來自於對岸政治上的一些措施因為原本我們的人數像香港這個人數其實是一直在成長但這尤其從去年111我就發現有降那這個現象我覺得跟香港這些年已經在中國這邊的政治相關的我覺得受到影響\n618001\t643528\t我想就教育家的觀點當然我們希望教育不要扯上政治但是兩岸是否和平共存才是學生以及家長選擇的重點我想這個部分當然有多方的考量但是我們看到實際的數據110年到111年我們的香港的學生大概9000多位112年7800多位所以在這個部分我想部長在即將卸任前就教育工作的一個領航者\n643848\t670365\t建議未來內閣應該如何解決有沒有什麼因應知道委員這個因為港澳跟中國的關係委員這個很了解所以他們直接被影響的是很直接那對於兩岸青年學生的這個交流我想教育部本來就一直都持開放的尤其疫情過後像他們學生有所限制中國這邊直接就限制但是研修生在112學年度又開始出現\n671926\t672807\t大陸學生到台灣來求學的滿意度是很高\n690165\t717487\t我想人才啦大家都在搶人才我們一起來為臺灣努力啦那我想催伐天然資源的臺灣最重要的資產我們就是要培育人才但是我們也希望就像剛剛科委員所提供的數據其實我們聽到以後我們也很擔憂國際生國內生我們也希望不要造成整個資源的偏差我們當然支持臺灣要搶人才但是我們也希望重視國內生的一些發展以及很多人都學貸啦\n718167\t719308\t對國內學生減輕負擔絕對是我們的政策\n","txt":"羅廷瑋主席 請邀請部長\n羅廷瑋好部長謝謝大學推動國際招生台灣優華我們計畫的執行跟成效跟檢討其實在這個專題我們還有很多想要跟大家就教育部長但是部長我想還是延續我們剛剛柯委員所說的這是最後一次在委員會的一個場合見面那擔任部長7年多我想這是中華民國行縣以來任期最長的教育部長\n潘文忠部長的障礙高掛即將卸任,各界對部長的表現也非常肯定。回顧7年多,有沒有什麼感言?\n委員我自己一向就是從事教育工作 從當小學老師到行政工作我一直覺得事情可能做不完 但是看到的問題真的要逐一的去面對這幾年 確實我跟我們部裡頭的同仁 大家就很多年來可以解決 該解決啦 但需要做處理的 包含像去年 國教法 特教法\n主席主席主席\n好 我想原本要再問你有什麼未經之夜但我想很多事情都還有待我們再努力當然沒辦法一次把所有的一處集成所有的事情都完成但我想謝部長在本席初就任立委之際第一場的委員會質詢向部長爭取葉光天使延伸到寒暑假國中生的一個試班計畫獲得部長的認同當場允諾推動如同國教署署長所說試班計畫8月就要上路\n到時候我想有機會邀請部長一起到台中到學校一起瞭解事辦計畫的一個情況順便給夜光天使的學生打氣鼓勵不知道未來有機會可以邀請你嗎\n謝謝委員為這些需求家庭的孩子所爭取這個事辦當然國中的這部分在過往我覺得因為孩子比較大但委員這個提議當時我覺得因為夜光天使的情況我非常的了解確實幫到很多家庭比較沒辦法那麼可以支撐孩子的一個措施\n主席\n謝謝 我常常一直在講這個計畫也是希望我們在跟某些特定的團體甚至是黑道組織在搶孩子我們希望能夠更認真用心的有這個機會場域去關心每個孩子讓孩子不要學壞讓孩子能夠在這個學業的過程當中或者是非學業的過程當中能夠感受到我們有其他的資源在挹注他們\n但是講到這個我就還是要再提到其實剛剛的立法委員也都有提到包括紅夢凱委員萬美玲委員他們都有在講就是桃園這一個霸凌案件那當然眾說紛紜有人說這個孩子霸凌者的這個背景是可能有黑道組織的背景家境這樣的環境我們不確定\n但我們非常關心我想還是再一次拿出這樣的數據108年到112年我們的暴力事件跟偏差行為的通報從不管是國小國中高中我們可以看到可以說是至少都2.3倍到4倍以上的一個成長\n這不敢說是一定是教育有問題因為整個不管是我們的社會風氣以及我們的電影文化還有一些藝術去影響到他們會有這樣子的一個偏差行為都有可能可是我們看到在剪頭髮這個部分在這一次的案件令許多的家長觸目驚心一直紛紛的傳這些影片給我們\n主題上我們很想討論但是在這一次的事件的突發性讓我們必須慎重我們還是希望在校園的霸凌事件我們該如何防範剛剛有人講到所謂的校安問題我們可能要用到的是可能是這些教官可是現在我們也在努力心理輔導法\n我們希望在這個部分各個部分都應該要去著重如何去防範這部分後續的一些心理輔導不管是霸凌者跟被霸凌者我們要去關心那學校有沒有去做相關的人等的一個調查以及他的背景調查這部分有掌握嗎是 謝謝委員委員就一點點時間我來報告一下\n通報數字這個在我自己這麼這些年來不管在性平事件等等的我強烈的要求一定要那不是鼓勵那叫克責克責的意思是發現了就要通報不管先判斷它是真與否這個是我認為過去多年大家常常會說這裡頭有好多好多的黑數所以我剛才提到說成長幾倍這個本來政策就是克責\n對 當然我沒有批評阿相信就是把黑素找出來也是一件好事阿第二個我也跟委員報告這一次長達一年左右的時間去對於校園霸凌防制準則做修改這當中也確實做到非常多第一個就是說師對生的部分我們認為不要一直在這個裡頭他放在教師解聘不續聘的辦法當中來處理那生對生這一次在剛才委員說的嘛\n一定要把它調查處理而且呢在這次的過程當中我們也希望它伴有教育的意涵不是永遠就處罰了有時候這些事情可能不是到此為止所以在這次生對生的霸凌準則裡面的修訂裡面特別也有幾個輔助的相關的但一定要有一個非常清楚的調查小組去做事項的釐清跟做後續的組織那第三點我跟委員補充\n教育部部長\n韓國瑜議員\n是落單的我希望他是有更多的支持不管是網路事件的一個延燒到其實我的選區其實也蠻多有這樣子言語被霸凌進而選擇休學我們都很擔心這樣子孩子他落單了在這個休學的過程當中他可能會覺得沒有就放棄學業了甚至他不願意去學習一個人才的培育真的不易\n當然我們再回到剛剛所說的就像柯志文委員在說的我看到這些數據其實我們也擔憂國際生還有國內生的一個關注我們當然知道要延攬人才的一個重要性我們支持但是我們希望在合理的一個前提下以及剛剛所提出的這些數據上我們一定要去好好了解到底誰是人才誰是單純來打工用著打工的名義來行使勞工這樣子的一個政策\n並不是來真正讓我們來做一個教育培育人才的一個政策我想這個部分是可以有待我們做檢討的那再來我想就簡單的就叫世界上這麼多的國家臺灣有哪些優勢來推動國際招生其實我們大概也都知道我們是劣勢啦畢竟在這個部分上我們提供這麼多的一些資金就是希望能夠延攬人才的意願但是國際的趨勢還有國家\n各個國家有各個國家他們可能有自己先天的產業優勢都有可能影響到國際生他的一個選擇但我想問一下最近我們有沒有什麼碰壁的地方現在跟部長在討論的是香港的招生5月9號的新聞美國的媒體報導\n說這個臺灣大專院校被中聯辦打壓取消在香港的招生活動5月11的新聞港府憂慮賴政府兩岸論述暫停我大學赴港招生宣傳有這一類情勢嗎\n羅廷瑋議員\n最近這兩年我有觀察港澳的招生確實我們有面對一些可能來自於對岸政治上的一些措施因為原本我們的人數像香港這個人數其實是一直在成長但這尤其從去年111我就發現有降那這個現象我覺得跟香港這些年已經在中國這邊的政治相關的我覺得受到影響\n我想就教育家的觀點當然我們希望教育不要扯上政治但是兩岸是否和平共存才是學生以及家長選擇的重點我想這個部分當然有多方的考量但是我們看到實際的數據110年到111年我們的香港的學生大概9000多位112年7800多位所以在這個部分我想部長在即將卸任前就教育工作的一個領航者\n建議未來內閣應該如何解決有沒有什麼因應知道委員這個因為港澳跟中國的關係委員這個很了解所以他們直接被影響的是很直接那對於兩岸青年學生的這個交流我想教育部本來就一直都持開放的尤其疫情過後像他們學生有所限制中國這邊直接就限制但是研修生在112學年度又開始出現\n大陸學生到台灣來求學的滿意度是很高\n我想人才啦大家都在搶人才我們一起來為臺灣努力啦那我想催伐天然資源的臺灣最重要的資產我們就是要培育人才但是我們也希望就像剛剛科委員所提供的數據其實我們聽到以後我們也很擔憂國際生國內生我們也希望不要造成整個資源的偏差我們當然支持臺灣要搶人才但是我們也希望重視國內生的一些發展以及很多人都學貸啦\n對國內學生減輕負擔絕對是我們的政策\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.000 --> 00:17.294\n羅廷瑋主席請邀請部長\n\n00:31.790 --> 00:58.395\n羅廷瑋好部長謝謝大學推動國際招生台灣優華我們計畫的執行跟成效跟檢討其實在這個專題我們還有很多想要跟大家就教育部長但是部長我想還是延續我們剛剛柯委員所說的這是最後一次在委員會的一個場合見面那擔任部長7年多我想這是中華民國行縣以來任期最長的教育部長\n\n00:59.776 --> 01:04.402\n潘文忠部長的障礙高掛即將卸任,各界對部長的表現也非常肯定。回顧7年多,有沒有什麼感言?\n\n01:16.493 --> 01:42.371\n委員我自己一向就是從事教育工作從當小學老師到行政工作我一直覺得事情可能做不完但是看到的問題真的要逐一的去面對這幾年確實我跟我們部裡頭的同仁大家就很多年來可以解決該解決啦但需要做處理的包含像去年國教法特教法\n\n01:42.671 --> 01:43.392\n主席主席主席\n\n02:04.175 --> 02:30.721\n好我想原本要再問你有什麼未經之夜但我想很多事情都還有待我們再努力當然沒辦法一次把所有的一處集成所有的事情都完成但我想謝部長在本席初就任立委之際第一場的委員會質詢向部長爭取葉光天使延伸到寒暑假國中生的一個試班計畫獲得部長的認同當場允諾推動如同國教署署長所說試班計畫8月就要上路\n\n02:30.981 --> 02:42.784\n到時候我想有機會邀請部長一起到台中到學校一起瞭解事辦計畫的一個情況順便給夜光天使的學生打氣鼓勵不知道未來有機會可以邀請你嗎\n\n02:43.885 --> 02:48.168\n謝謝委員為這些需求家庭的孩子所爭取這個事辦當然國中的這部分在過往我覺得因為孩子比較大但委員這個提議當時我覺得因為夜光天使的情況我非常的了解確實幫到很多家庭比較沒辦法那麼可以支撐孩子的一個措施\n\n03:06.701 --> 03:06.741\n主席\n\n03:23.870 --> 03:42.972\n謝謝我常常一直在講這個計畫也是希望我們在跟某些特定的團體甚至是黑道組織在搶孩子我們希望能夠更認真用心的有這個機會場域去關心每個孩子讓孩子不要學壞讓孩子能夠在這個學業的過程當中或者是非學業的過程當中能夠感受到我們有其他的資源在挹注他們\n\n03:44.454 --> 04:07.455\n但是講到這個我就還是要再提到其實剛剛的立法委員也都有提到包括紅夢凱委員萬美玲委員他們都有在講就是桃園這一個霸凌案件那當然眾說紛紜有人說這個孩子霸凌者的這個背景是可能有黑道組織的背景家境這樣的環境我們不確定\n\n04:08.536 --> 04:26.165\n但我們非常關心我想還是再一次拿出這樣的數據108年到112年我們的暴力事件跟偏差行為的通報從不管是國小國中高中我們可以看到可以說是至少都2.3倍到4倍以上的一個成長\n\n04:27.485 --> 04:47.122\n這不敢說是一定是教育有問題因為整個不管是我們的社會風氣以及我們的電影文化還有一些藝術去影響到他們會有這樣子的一個偏差行為都有可能可是我們看到在剪頭髮這個部分在這一次的案件令許多的家長觸目驚心一直紛紛的傳這些影片給我們\n\n04:51.005 --> 05:08.556\n主題上我們很想討論但是在這一次的事件的突發性讓我們必須慎重我們還是希望在校園的霸凌事件我們該如何防範剛剛有人講到所謂的校安問題我們可能要用到的是可能是這些教官可是現在我們也在努力心理輔導法\n\n05:09.477 --> 05:29.843\n我們希望在這個部分各個部分都應該要去著重如何去防範這部分後續的一些心理輔導不管是霸凌者跟被霸凌者我們要去關心那學校有沒有去做相關的人等的一個調查以及他的背景調查這部分有掌握嗎是謝謝委員委員就一點點時間我來報告一下\n\n05:31.764 --> 05:56.605\n通報數字這個在我自己這麼這些年來不管在性平事件等等的我強烈的要求一定要那不是鼓勵那叫克責克責的意思是發現了就要通報不管先判斷它是真與否這個是我認為過去多年大家常常會說這裡頭有好多好多的黑數所以我剛才提到說成長幾倍這個本來政策就是克責\n\n05:57.946 --> 06:23.219\n對當然我沒有批評阿相信就是把黑素找出來也是一件好事阿第二個我也跟委員報告這一次長達一年左右的時間去對於校園霸凌防制準則做修改這當中也確實做到非常多第一個就是說師對生的部分我們認為不要一直在這個裡頭他放在教師解聘不續聘的辦法當中來處理那生對生這一次在剛才委員說的嘛\n\n06:24.119 --> 06:40.543\n一定要把它調查處理而且呢在這次的過程當中我們也希望它伴有教育的意涵不是永遠就處罰了有時候這些事情可能不是到此為止所以在這次生對生的霸凌準則裡面的修訂裡面特別也有幾個輔助的相關的但一定要有一個非常清楚的調查小組去做事項的釐清跟做後續的組織那第三點我跟委員補充\n\n06:51.286 --> 06:51.426\n教育部部長\n\n07:08.832 --> 07:08.852\n韓國瑜議員\n\n07:35.698 --> 07:58.489\n是落單的我希望他是有更多的支持不管是網路事件的一個延燒到其實我的選區其實也蠻多有這樣子言語被霸凌進而選擇休學我們都很擔心這樣子孩子他落單了在這個休學的過程當中他可能會覺得沒有就放棄學業了甚至他不願意去學習一個人才的培育真的不易\n\n07:59.189 --> 08:28.309\n當然我們再回到剛剛所說的就像柯志文委員在說的我看到這些數據其實我們也擔憂國際生還有國內生的一個關注我們當然知道要延攬人才的一個重要性我們支持但是我們希望在合理的一個前提下以及剛剛所提出的這些數據上我們一定要去好好了解到底誰是人才誰是單純來打工用著打工的名義來行使勞工這樣子的一個政策\n\n08:29.069 --> 08:53.828\n並不是來真正讓我們來做一個教育培育人才的一個政策我想這個部分是可以有待我們做檢討的那再來我想就簡單的就叫世界上這麼多的國家臺灣有哪些優勢來推動國際招生其實我們大概也都知道我們是劣勢啦畢竟在這個部分上我們提供這麼多的一些資金就是希望能夠延攬人才的意願但是國際的趨勢還有國家\n\n08:55.970 --> 09:10.750\n各個國家有各個國家他們可能有自己先天的產業優勢都有可能影響到國際生他的一個選擇但我想問一下最近我們有沒有什麼碰壁的地方現在跟部長在討論的是香港的招生5月9號的新聞美國的媒體報導\n\n09:14.715 --> 09:26.793\n說這個臺灣大專院校被中聯辦打壓取消在香港的招生活動5月11的新聞港府憂慮賴政府兩岸論述暫停我大學赴港招生宣傳有這一類情勢嗎\n\n09:28.101 --> 09:28.121\n羅廷瑋議員\n\n09:49.580 --> 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