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00:01:33,354\n主要是在討論習近平訪問這些歐洲的各國那我想請教一下你們怎麼評估這個習近平出訪這些歐洲的國家對我國的國家安全是有什麼樣的影響嗎還是其實沒有影響因為歐洲蠻遠的然後我們直接關係沒有所以沒關係你們怎麼看\n\n6\n00:01:35,829 --> 00:02:00,915\n習近平訪問歐洲對我們國家還是有一定的影響當然他主要是面對歐洲去風險化以及他想要拉攏法國來穩定歐洲以及要拉歐來治美\n\n7\n00:02:07,859 --> 00:02:21,832\n因為他們之間仍然有經貿跟安全的一些旗艦,對我們實質可能是沒有影響,但是長遠來看我們還是要非常密切的關注。\n\n8\n00:02:22,920 --> 00:02:38,054\n謝謝副局長的答覆那基本上是這樣那歐洲當然有各個國家中東歐國家對我國的立場當然是最近是更加友好那我們之前談到立陶宛的部分就是說他們要把我們的辦事處的名稱來做更改那同時在維也斯中國的第二大貿易\n\n9\n00:02:39,655 --> 00:03:01,170\n中國是塞爾維亞的第二大貿易夥伴其中它包含的軍售是僅次於俄羅斯提供給塞爾維亞所以我們可以知道說包含塞爾維亞或者是匈牙利這兩個國家是中國在整個歐洲分化削弱歐洲的能量的一個最好的一個渠道因為他們相對威權相對的有對中共相對的友善那換言之警報人員\n\n10\n00:03:02,011 --> 00:03:29,697\n或者是他們的國家安全人員或者是他們的軍方的人員在這兩個歐洲的國家裡面他們當然會放的心力跟資源就更多所以我們剛才提到說習近平他這次訪歐三個國家法國當然就是把這個歐盟的這個職位都全部都一起叫過來來確保歐洲是一個合作的不會被分化的但是馬上習近平接下來去訪問的兩個國家就剛好是分化歐洲的最好方式\n\n11\n00:03:30,357 --> 00:03:47,353\n中國和俄羅斯在這兩個國家有這樣的做法我想知道說我們這個包含我們的國家跟情報相關的這些部分對於中國的軍售在塞爾維亞還有這個跟對科索沃的這些做法操弄有沒有得到一些相關的資訊我問這個問題的原因是因為\n\n12\n00:03:51,380 --> 00:04:07,101\n對於塞國、塞爾維亞、科索沃、俄羅斯、塞爾維亞、科索沃或是對於烏克蘭這些國家的每一個情報戰、資訊戰,它都是未來我們可以參考的對象,那包含他們的輿論戰都是,我想知道你這方面有沒有什麼樣的看法?\n\n13\n00:04:08,087 --> 00:04:35,185\n的確在俄烏戰爭以後那中共大概取代俄羅斯的地位對塞俄維亞有一些軍售這個應該是沒有問題那至於科索沃的這個部分在某些程度上也似乎中共是應該是鼓勵就是也不排斥就是有支持他做這樣的行為\n\n14\n00:04:36,356 --> 00:05:02,258\n好那接下來我們問一下跟520之前的可能的這個國家安全的考量那剛才林委員也提到520之前的有可能中共方面會怎麼出招包含在資源跟資訊這兩大方向資訊的話就是讓我國接受到他們想要傳達的資訊比方說上次佩洛西來台的時候他們就在便利商店等等的這些電視螢幕拿來投放他們想要投放的資訊在另外一個資訊就是說\n\n15\n00:05:04,139 --> 00:05:19,289\n換言之就是說斷掉我們的可能的就是不管是之前我們看到海底電纜、馬祖那邊或者是說我們的通訊上面的設備這些或者是油、電、水、天然氣這些相關的資訊你們有沒有做好事先的預防跟強背?\n\n16\n00:05:20,747 --> 00:05:49,406\n本局結合國安團隊非常關注這個問題因為中共有可能在520之前會利用這些網路的攻擊來操作一些足以影響大眾或國家安全的一些管路那國安團隊都會密切的注意這方面的資訊然後及時應處並有對外來說明來穩定我們人民的心情\n\n17\n00:05:50,967 --> 00:06:04,124\n這個問題是說,比方說在外交部的話,如果有國家,我們的邦交國出現警訊的話,他們會有紅色警訊啊,各種不同的燈號來去做預防,你們有沒有相關的,未來有沒有打算用這樣的資訊來提供給國人?\n\n18\n00:06:05,666 --> 00:06:31,271\n有有,這個在國安會的指導之下我們都有應處的一些程序也就是說在有可能遇到襲擊之前先預先警示,這個部分你們會做嗎?未來會做嗎?會,我們會在最早的時間內收集到通知所有的權責機關來應處對國民的部分會不會有相關的方法?會,會適時的來揭露來宣布好,謝謝,謝謝副市長,我們來請次長,外交部次長\n\n19\n00:06:34,802 --> 00:07:00,405\n請外交部田次長市長早市長我們剛才提到太平島的議題那我還是講一下就是narrative很重要就是你用什麼樣的方式去詮釋去輸說我國對此地的主權怎麼樣可以確保說我們的說法不跟中共是重複的、吻合的讓人家誤以為兩國的主權是共同的\n\n20\n00:07:00,885 --> 00:07:07,970\n我們對太平島過去到現在將未來我們對太平島都是中華民國的領土如果這句話就跟中國一定切開了切得很清楚所以這個立場是絕對不會變的\n\n21\n00:07:32,027 --> 00:07:50,644\n主權上面第二個部分是中國在南海的說法是什麼九段線我們可能是11段我們的說法又是什麼他們倡議的主要的講法是什麼我們要怎麼樣去definition我們的說法這個部分要怎麼樣跟這次選擇要去的立法委員講\n\n22\n00:07:51,405 --> 00:07:52,206\n我想立法委員去一定有他的智慧\n\n23\n00:08:10,680 --> 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