{"id":152430,"url":"https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/152430","video_url":"https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/d7e25ee5d31e173441f2a0087a257744076aa6d1d4e027382d94006c6d412c4dd92122a11445de645ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8","委員名稱":"高金素梅","委員發言時間":"10:17:46 - 10:32:11","影片長度":"00:14:25","會議時間":"2024-05-13T09:00:00+08:00","會議名稱":"立法院第11屆第1會期內政委員會第18次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請原住民族委員會主任委員、財團法人原住民族文化事業基金會董事長、財團法人原住民族語言研究發展基金會董事長就「搬遷原住民族語言傳播大樓整備事宜暨調動工作地點後員工各項權益是否合乎勞動基準法」進行專題報告，並備質詢。  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到喔！今天我講了非常多和原文會有關的部分，不管是5G、未來的時代或者是現在的多媒體，不管是你們的營運部分或者是為了搬遷的部分，有很多的問題。所以我希望鍾副主委跟原語會也好、原文會也好，一定要針對這次搬遷大樓之後，還有哪些要精進、檢討的部分，不是花17億就兩手一攤，什麼都不檢討了。請原文會在兩週之內，也請原民會還有原語會，你們再整理出最好的書面報告還有各項數據、規劃，否則的話，身為一個原住民的立法委員，從最早的電視臺成立，然後離開公共電視，現在我們有一個專屬自己的基金會，不管是原語會、原文會，你們要什麼都給什麼，但是你們真的有做很好嗎？在這裡我必須說你們不及格！謝謝。"],["鍾副主任委員興華：謝謝委員。"],["主席：謝謝高金召委的質詢。本席也謝謝高金召委幫本席補充很多想要瞭解的問題，雖然本席不是原住民立委，但是我們也會支持原住民的政策，前提是原民會真的要加油，Sa'icelen。"],["主席（高金委員素梅）：我們現在休息5分鐘，待會再繼續質詢。","休息（10時32分）","繼續開會（10時38分）"],["主席：我們繼續開會。","請盧縣一委員質詢，謝謝。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":190,"meet_id":"委員會-11-1-15-18","speakers":["高金素梅","蘇巧慧","麥玉珍","王美惠","許宇甄","牛煦庭","張宏陸","黃建賓","盧縣一","徐欣瑩","李柏毅","黃捷","鄭天財Sra 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00:02:22,484\n我們一樣是會就是以勞基法的方式好請問一下黃副司長目前這個案子你們有介入嗎在他們針對這個部分的討論之後你們有沒有把你們相關應該我們的這個員工應該要的福利有提醒他們注意些什麼\n\n7\n00:02:23,124 --> 00:02:47,682\n報告委員因為這個案子之前原民會是沒有請我們勞動部提供什麼協助今天我邀請你來了所以從今天開始你們要介入然後原民會也好所以原文會董事長也好原語會董事長也好你們所謂的這個討論小組今天必須要加入我們勞動部然後要把員工權益放在第一也就是我為什麼今天會邀請勞動部來的原因好嗎副市長謝謝\n\n8\n00:02:48,963 --> 00:03:14,772\n我在4月8日執行客傳會的董事董事長的時候我針對客傳會執行的網路媒體的成效我認為值得我們的原文會來效法學習所以今天我也特別安排一個專案報告說因應當代新媒體發展的趨勢來擬定經濟的策略在這裡我要給客傳會肯定今天你們的報告書非常的完整你不僅僅提供了文字的敘述你還把\n\n9\n00:03:15,592 --> 00:03:37,779\n大數據撈出來然後匯整成圖卡或者是列表來呈現其中跟包含了所有類別的成效率、觸及率這樣的精細我們可以讓在座的每一個立法委員一目了然但是反觀原文會我感到非常的失望今天原文會的書面報告裡面欠缺所有的數據還有你的執行率還有你的成效率、觸及率\n\n10\n00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:57,575\n沒有這些書記讓我們怎麼知道你們所有的計劃成效呢?怎麼樣讓我們立法委員審查你們的預算呢?來看看原文會報告書第15頁你們有說要成立數位媒體部跟建置原住民族數位影音平台你們要邁向未來的趨勢你有提到\n\n11\n00:03:58,475 --> 00:04:12,247\n緣分會心媒體之路雖然在受限條件之下你們仍然透過社群媒體跟節目內容製作獲得各界的熱烈迴響什麼叫做熱烈迴響請董事長簡單說明一下沒有數據什麼叫做熱烈迴響是我們的數據我們在哪裡今天要請你們來報告為什麼沒有提供給本席呢是你們那又是秘密的東西嗎沒有沒有那你現在拿的數據是什麼\n\n12\n00:04:31,674 --> 00:04:37,756\n以後希望你們趕快提出來第16頁報告也提到你們要向主管機關提案規劃未來成立數位媒體專屬部門\n\n13\n00:04:44,282 --> 00:04:57,437\n預計要編列每年度常態性的業務預算4000萬新增人額25名編制三個業務組別為社群策略組還有平台發展組還有快運內容組透過專屬的部門來推動原文會的數位轉型對嗎?\n\n14\n00:05:04,571 --> 00:05:19,424\n我是支持原文會的數位轉型可是原文會你們到底有沒有清楚知道你們轉型到底要轉到哪裡啊數位轉型不是繼續停留在攝影棚拍攝、錄製節目而應該是要更多元化嘛是吧\n\n15\n00:05:20,585 --> 00:05:29,849\n所以是不是可以不要在攝影棚也可以在街頭啊也更可以在任何角落啊那形式上除了我們的電視還有廣播之外我們的FB、IG、Pocket或者是各類的短影應該都可以嘛所以你們原委會你們看過客傳會的客新聞嗎\n\n16\n00:05:38,553 --> 00:06:05,267\n他們在AFP和IG都可以看到他們的瀏覽他們是以新媒體多元化的主題讓各個年齡層的人都有興趣關注甚至他們在政策上面的宣導都可以展示他們的多變性但是我了解的是我原文會和客傳會你們曾經有談過如何讓我們的原文會更精進或者是研發請問現在的進度到哪裡你們決策又是什麼\n\n17\n00:06:06,187 --> 00:06:21,557\n原民會你們支持同意嗎?就是剛剛一直在講的這個4千萬嗎?是,我們支持也希望他們列入114到119年的原住民族文化那傅子惠你清楚知道你清楚知道人家客船會才花多少錢嗎?而且現在人家已經在做了\n\n18\n00:06:25,016 --> 00:06:48,294\n所以一定要編4千萬才會有這個然後你們還是一個中長程計畫接著看一下一樣報告書第16月原民會在今年度也就是20243月29號向主管機關提案也就是原民會114到119年度的中長程計畫就是我剛剛講的建制專屬原住民族數位影音平台然後以6年為期\n\n19\n00:06:49,755 --> 00:07:06,741\n一到第二年是要平台建置期第三到第四年是數位影音優質內容產製期預計從每年自製內容兩部外部構置五部我們看一下客傳會第一頁報告書看一下\n\n20\n00:07:07,461 --> 00:07:36,828\n他明確指出克傳會要辦理新媒體營運一年編列1500萬的預算請問原文會董事長為什麼需要提案114到119年度的中長程計劃然後你們說要建置專屬原住民族數位影音平台請問你們是要在現有的社群網路比如說FBIGPocket來做還是你們所謂兩年的平台建置其實要開發新的系統新的APP請問一下\n\n21\n00:07:38,041 --> 00:07:56,876\n是數位媒體這一塊有非常就是發展上的快變動性所以我們在所以你一定要有這個所謂的這個中長程計劃你才能做嗎那你要做什麼你清楚嗎請問原民會副主委你同意他這個案子嗎\n\n22\n00:07:58,541 --> 00:08:19,241\n他的論述還有他的數據的基礎夠不夠支持你們來支持他這個中長程計劃還是他只要調整現在的方向就可以了?目前因為才剛剛送來你們不瞭解是不是?所以所以呢副主委回答之前我們看一下原民會的報告第三頁\n\n23\n00:08:20,509 --> 00:08:47,181\n你們有關原文會營運情形及如何因應新媒體發展趨勢第二點你說原文會已經在110年在原文會的文化行銷部已經籌設了新媒體組這是任務編組主要任務是經營管理維護社群媒體平台還有製作新媒體影音跟Podcast節目所以副主委你們110年已經籌設新媒體組了為什麼今天原文會還要提案中長城計畫\n\n24\n00:08:50,124 --> 00:09:02,532\n請問一下報告委員我們現在新媒體的任務編組是4個人然後每年是350萬這個非常小的規模所以110年你們已經跟原民會討論這個問題了嘛對吧\n\n25\n00:09:05,979 --> 00:09:27,704\n我們有跟主管機關來提出我們在這塊的需求那你們現在做了什麼樣的精進?怎麼樣的進步?怎麼樣的數據?我們除了Podcast我們在YT、YouTube在哪裡啊?數據?你今天客委會都已經把這些他從什麼時候開始然後增加到去請那個助理再回到那個客委會今天的\n\n26\n00:09:28,524 --> 00:09:49,504\n你連這個東西在110年你跟原文會已經提出了你們都沒有這些數據告訴我們啊是這個數據我們有我們立刻再提供那為什麼今天不提出來呢我先在這邊講如果你們之前在現有的制度都做不好我是堅決你們要再提出這些預算的啦檢討一下原文會的營運情形\n\n27\n00:09:50,345 --> 00:10:03,554\n然後,原文會,你們的營運情形你們只講發揮守護台灣多元文化價值的媒體影響力然後正是原文會發展數位媒體的目標你們這次沒有提原文會整體的營運樣貌欸你覺得現在很好了嗎?\n\n28\n00:10:08,141 --> 00:10:30,595\n請問一下董事長,你們怎麼樣跟原語會怎麼樣在原文、原民台的或者是廣播裡面來增加我們現在原語會很清楚我們現在不叫羅馬拼音,我就講一個最簡單的事不叫羅馬拼音,它叫原住民文字,你們做了什麼樣的宣傳廣告?你們在所有的現在既有的能夠露出來的這邊有教育了社會大眾嗎?\n\n29\n00:10:32,264 --> 00:10:59,678\n很顯然很顯然你們並沒有做得很好所以原民會主委副主委是您知道原民會除了在臺北總部有電視台之外我現在在因為議題太多了齁有電視總部電視台廣播台之外還有三個地方有設置原民台的新聞中心嗎有有在台東有好請問一下中部有新聞中心對不對南部有新聞中心對不對台東也有東部有新聞中心對不對是是是\n\n30\n00:11:00,678 --> 00:11:19,051\n現在已經是5G的時代了網速和雲端科技非常發達了傳送影片速度也非常快所以我們必要再設計所謂的地方中心嗎是不是應該要整體檢討了而且我還聽說有非常多的中心現在是養老院所以請問副主委原民會你們清楚知道有這個三個這個中心它的執行力怎麼樣\n\n31\n00:11:29,195 --> 00:11:46,069\n你們在既有的所有的要制度給制度、要錢給錢全部都給你們了然後你們今天來的報告都看不到你們的這些檢討的東西耶一直要錢、一直要計劃然後接著下來我們下年度就要編預算啦你覺得原住民立法委員可以做你們的後盾嗎?\n\n32\n00:11:56,918 --> 00:12:19,890\n我們是不是在了解一下目前請問一下簡單的說明委員會董事長為什麼報告書看不到總部還有三個地方的說明還有數據是難道我還要再排一個專案報告嗎還是呢在一個專案報告裡面你們就可以把你們現在所做的事情全部講清楚把數據提出來然後未來還有什麼經濟還有你們必須要檢討的部分你今天的報告書不應該是這樣子嗎\n\n33\n00:12:21,732 --> 00:12:33,720\n我再補充跟委員做報告就是我們三個中心最主要是能夠就近對部落的新聞去做cover我知道現在已經是5G時代了你覺得還需要這幾個中心嗎還需要這幾個中心嗎那現在這幾個中心它的執行力怎麼樣好不好\n\n34\n00:12:40,704 --> 00:12:46,028\n那未來還有一個臺北的喔你們現在有四個中心喔然後你們要錢給錢要人給人但是你們最基層的員工的權益你們最基層的員工的權益就我知道還沒有勞動部的最新的薪資喔你們是不是要報告\n\n35\n00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:11,213\n你們是不是要報告一下我不是說搬遷的我說以既有的最基礎的員工的權益你們都還沒有照顧到所以\n\n36\n00:13:12,281 --> 00:13:38,575\n我希望今天我講了非常多的原文會不管是5G未來的時代或者是現在多媒體的不管是你們的營運的部分或者是為了要搬遷的部分有很多的問題所以我希望中府主委跟原語會也好原文會也好一定要針對這一次搬遷大樓之後我們還有哪一些要精進要檢討的部分\n\n37\n00:13:40,069 --> 00:14:07,266\n不是花了17億就兩手一攤然後什麼也都不檢討了所以我請原文會兩週之內也請原民會還有原文會你們再整理出最好的書面報告還有你們的各項數據還有規劃否則的話身為一個原住民的立法委員從最早的電視台的成立然後離開公共電視然後現在我們有一個專屬自己的基金會不管是原文會不管是原民會\n\n38\n00:14:08,487 --> 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謝謝\n168963\t194772\t我在4月8日執行客傳會的董事董事長的時候我針對客傳會執行的網路媒體的成效我認為值得我們的原文會來效法學習所以今天我也特別安排一個專案報告說因應當代新媒體發展的趨勢來擬定經濟的策略在這裡我要給客傳會肯定今天你們的報告書非常的完整你不僅僅提供了文字的敘述你還把\n195592\t217779\t大數據撈出來然後匯整成圖卡或者是列表來呈現其中跟包含了所有類別的成效率、觸及率這樣的精細我們可以讓在座的每一個立法委員一目了然但是反觀原文會我感到非常的失望今天原文會的書面報告裡面欠缺所有的數據還有你的執行率還有你的成效率、觸及率\n220600\t237575\t沒有這些書記讓我們怎麼知道你們所有的計劃成效呢?怎麼樣讓我們立法委員審查你們的預算呢?來看看原文會報告書第15頁你們有說要成立數位媒體部跟建置原住民族數位影音平台你們要邁向未來的趨勢你有提到\n238475\t252247\t緣分會心媒體之路雖然在受限條件之下你們仍然透過社群媒體跟節目內容製作獲得各界的熱烈迴響什麼叫做熱烈迴響請董事長簡單說明一下沒有數據什麼叫做熱烈迴響是我們的數據我們在哪裡今天要請你們來報告為什麼沒有提供給本席呢是你們那又是秘密的東西嗎沒有沒有那你現在拿的數據是什麼\n271674\t277756\t以後希望你們趕快提出來第16頁報告也提到你們要向主管機關提案規劃未來成立數位媒體專屬部門\n284282\t297437\t預計要編列每年度常態性的業務預算4000萬新增人額25名編制三個業務組別為社群策略組還有平台發展組還有快運內容組透過專屬的部門來推動原文會的數位轉型對嗎?\n304571\t319424\t我是支持原文會的數位轉型可是原文會你們到底有沒有清楚知道你們轉型到底要轉到哪裡啊數位轉型不是繼續停留在攝影棚拍攝、錄製節目而應該是要更多元化嘛 是吧\n320585\t329849\t所以是不是可以不要在攝影棚也可以在街頭啊也更可以在任何角落啊那形式上除了我們的電視還有廣播之外我們的FB、IG、Pocket或者是各類的短影應該都可以嘛所以你們原委會你們看過客傳會的客新聞嗎\n338553\t365267\t他們在AFP和IG都可以看到他們的瀏覽他們是以新媒體多元化的主題讓各個年齡層的人都有興趣關注甚至他們在政策上面的宣導都可以展示他們的多變性但是我了解的是我原文會和客傳會你們曾經有談過如何讓我們的原文會更精進或者是研發請問現在的進度到哪裡你們決策又是什麼\n366187\t381557\t原民會你們支持同意嗎?就是剛剛一直在講的這個4千萬嗎?是,我們支持也希望他們列入114到119年的原住民族文化那傅子惠你清楚知道你清楚知道人家客船會才花多少錢嗎?而且現在人家已經在做了\n385016\t408294\t所以一定要編4千萬才會有這個然後你們還是一個中長程計畫接著看一下一樣報告書第16月原民會在今年度也就是2024 3月29號向主管機關提案也就是原民會114到119年度的中長程計畫就是我剛剛講的建制專屬原住民族數位影音平台然後以6年為期\n409755\t426741\t一到第二年是要平台建置期第三到第四年是數位影音優質內容產製期預計從每年自製內容兩部外部構置五部我們看一下客傳會第一頁報告書看一下\n427461\t456828\t他明確指出克傳會要辦理新媒體營運一年編列1500萬的預算請問原文會董事長為什麼需要提案114到119年度的中長程計劃然後你們說要建置專屬原住民族數位影音平台請問你們是要在現有的社群網路比如說FB IG Pocket來做還是你們所謂兩年的平台建置其實要開發新的系統新的APP請問一下\n458041\t476876\t是 數位媒體這一塊有非常就是發展上的快變動性所以我們在所以你一定要有這個所謂的這個中長程計劃你才能做嗎那你要做什麼你清楚嗎請問原民會副主委你同意他這個案子嗎\n478541\t499241\t他的論述還有他的數據的基礎夠不夠支持你們來支持他這個中長程計劃還是他只要調整現在的方向就可以了?目前因為才剛剛送來你們不瞭解是不是?所以所以呢副主委回答之前我們看一下原民會的報告第三頁\n500509\t527181\t你們有關原文會營運情形及如何因應新媒體發展趨勢第二點你說原文會已經在110年在原文會的文化行銷部已經籌設了新媒體組這是任務編組主要任務是經營管理維護社群媒體平台還有製作新媒體影音跟Podcast節目所以副主委你們110年已經籌設新媒體組了為什麼今天原文會還要提案中長城計畫\n530124\t542532\t請問一下報告委員我們現在新媒體的任務編組是4個人然後每年是350萬這個非常小的規模所以110年你們已經跟原民會討論這個問題了嘛對吧\n545979\t567704\t我們有跟主管機關來提出我們在這塊的需求那你們現在做了什麼樣的精進?怎麼樣的進步?怎麼樣的數據?我們除了Podcast我們在YT、YouTube在哪裡啊?數據?你今天客委會都已經把這些他從什麼時候開始然後增加到去請那個助理再回到那個客委會今天的\n568524\t589504\t你連這個東西在110年你跟原文會已經提出了你們都沒有這些數據告訴我們啊是 這個數據我們有我們立刻再提供那為什麼今天不提出來呢我先在這邊講如果你們之前在現有的制度都做不好我是堅決你們要再提出這些預算的啦檢討一下原文會的營運情形\n590345\t603554\t然後,原文會,你們的營運情形你們只講發揮守護台灣多元文化價值的媒體影響力然後正是原文會發展數位媒體的目標你們這次沒有提原文會整體的營運樣貌欸你覺得現在很好了嗎?\n608141\t630595\t請問一下董事長,你們怎麼樣跟原語會怎麼樣在原文、原民台的或者是廣播裡面來增加我們現在原語會很清楚我們現在不叫羅馬拼音,我就講一個最簡單的事不叫羅馬拼音,它叫原住民文字,你們做了什麼樣的宣傳廣告?你們在所有的現在既有的能夠露出來的這邊有教育了社會大眾嗎?\n632264\t659678\t很顯然很顯然你們並沒有做得很好所以原民會主委副主委是您知道原民會除了在臺北總部有電視台之外我現在在因為議題太多了齁有電視總部電視台廣播台之外還有三個地方有設置原民台的新聞中心嗎有有在台東有好請問一下中部有新聞中心對不對南部有新聞中心對不對台東也有東部有新聞中心對不對是是是\n660678\t679051\t現在已經是5G的時代了網速和雲端科技非常發達了傳送影片速度也非常快所以我們必要再設計所謂的地方中心嗎是不是應該要整體檢討了而且我還聽說有非常多的中心現在是養老院所以請問副主委原民會你們清楚知道有這個三個這個中心它的執行力怎麼樣\n689195\t706069\t你們在既有的所有的要制度給制度、要錢給錢全部都給你們了然後你們今天來的報告都看不到你們的這些檢討的東西耶一直要錢、一直要計劃然後接著下來我們下年度就要編預算啦你覺得原住民立法委員可以做你們的後盾嗎?\n716918\t739890\t我們是不是在了解一下目前請問一下簡單的說明 委員會董事長為什麼報告書看不到總部還有三個地方的說明還有數據是難道我還要再排一個專案報告嗎還是呢在一個專案報告裡面你們就可以把你們現在所做的事情全部講清楚把數據提出來然後未來還有什麼經濟還有你們必須要檢討的部分你今天的報告書不應該是這樣子嗎\n741732\t753720\t我再補充跟委員做報告就是我們三個中心最主要是能夠就近對部落的新聞去做cover我知道現在已經是5G時代了你覺得還需要這幾個中心嗎還需要這幾個中心嗎那現在這幾個中心它的執行力怎麼樣好不好\n760704\t766028\t那未來還有一個臺北的喔你們現在有四個中心喔然後你們要錢給錢要人給人但是你們最基層的員工的權益你們最基層的員工的權益就我知道還沒有勞動部的最新的薪資喔你們是不是要報告\n782600\t791213\t你們是不是要報告一下我不是說搬遷的我說以既有的最基礎的員工的權益你們都還沒有照顧到所以\n792281\t818575\t我希望今天我講了非常多的原文會不管是5G未來的時代或者是現在多媒體的不管是你們的營運的部分或者是為了要搬遷的部分有很多的問題所以我希望中府主委跟原語會也好原文會也好一定要針對這一次搬遷大樓之後我們還有哪一些要精進要檢討的部分\n820069\t847266\t不是花了17億就兩手一攤然後什麼也都不檢討了所以我請原文會兩週之內也請原民會還有原文會你們再整理出最好的書面報告還有你們的各項數據還有規劃否則的話身為一個原住民的立法委員從最早的電視台的成立然後離開公共電視然後現在我們有一個專屬自己的基金會不管是原文會不管是原民會\n848487\t849688\t謝謝高津找我的質詢那本席\n","txt":"謝謝主席,我們請原民會中副主委、原文會西莫拉斯董事長、原語會的瑪耀古木董事長,還有勞動部的黃副司長請中副主委及以上提到的這些官員上台備詢\n請問一下預計什麼時候搬到新大樓也就是原住民族語言傳播大樓這個是誰要回答我?14年12月預計完工但是搬遷大概是15年年初請問一下搬到桃園之後大台北地區還會有一個所謂的北區中心呢?報告委員就是為了新聞製作我們會有一個中心在這裡\n因為中央部門、單位都是在台北也是所謂的資訊交流的集中地請問這個問題你們在搬遷之前有沒有想過?有,我們在搬遷的小組都有做討論北區中心要花錢租,對不對?大概會有多少人這樣來來去去?以你們估計?它是一個辦公區塊提供給記者在台北發稿的區域會在哪裡?我們會招標所以還會有一筆錢?\n員工的權益部分在一年度是編列兩千萬\n一年兩千萬這兩千萬包括托育補助、搬遷補助、合宜住宅的規劃是嗎?是是是好所以要準備要幾年?報告員三年三年一年兩千萬等於就是還會有六千萬那萬一這些人在三年當中他的權益沒被照顧到那怎麼辦?\n我們一樣是會就是以勞基法的方式好請問一下黃副司長目前這個案子你們有介入嗎在他們針對這個部分的討論之後你們有沒有把你們相關應該我們的這個員工應該要的福利有提醒他們注意些什麼\n報告委員因為這個案子之前原民會是沒有請我們勞動部提供什麼協助今天我邀請你來了所以從今天開始你們要介入然後原民會也好所以原文會董事長也好原語會董事長也好你們所謂的這個討論小組今天必須要加入我們勞動部然後要把員工權益放在第一也就是我為什麼今天會邀請勞動部來的原因好嗎 副市長 謝謝\n我在4月8日執行客傳會的董事董事長的時候我針對客傳會執行的網路媒體的成效我認為值得我們的原文會來效法學習所以今天我也特別安排一個專案報告說因應當代新媒體發展的趨勢來擬定經濟的策略在這裡我要給客傳會肯定今天你們的報告書非常的完整你不僅僅提供了文字的敘述你還把\n大數據撈出來然後匯整成圖卡或者是列表來呈現其中跟包含了所有類別的成效率、觸及率這樣的精細我們可以讓在座的每一個立法委員一目了然但是反觀原文會我感到非常的失望今天原文會的書面報告裡面欠缺所有的數據還有你的執行率還有你的成效率、觸及率\n沒有這些書記讓我們怎麼知道你們所有的計劃成效呢?怎麼樣讓我們立法委員審查你們的預算呢?來看看原文會報告書第15頁你們有說要成立數位媒體部跟建置原住民族數位影音平台你們要邁向未來的趨勢你有提到\n緣分會心媒體之路雖然在受限條件之下你們仍然透過社群媒體跟節目內容製作獲得各界的熱烈迴響什麼叫做熱烈迴響請董事長簡單說明一下沒有數據什麼叫做熱烈迴響是我們的數據我們在哪裡今天要請你們來報告為什麼沒有提供給本席呢是你們那又是秘密的東西嗎沒有沒有那你現在拿的數據是什麼\n以後希望你們趕快提出來第16頁報告也提到你們要向主管機關提案規劃未來成立數位媒體專屬部門\n預計要編列每年度常態性的業務預算4000萬新增人額25名編制三個業務組別為社群策略組還有平台發展組還有快運內容組透過專屬的部門來推動原文會的數位轉型對嗎?\n我是支持原文會的數位轉型可是原文會你們到底有沒有清楚知道你們轉型到底要轉到哪裡啊數位轉型不是繼續停留在攝影棚拍攝、錄製節目而應該是要更多元化嘛 是吧\n所以是不是可以不要在攝影棚也可以在街頭啊也更可以在任何角落啊那形式上除了我們的電視還有廣播之外我們的FB、IG、Pocket或者是各類的短影應該都可以嘛所以你們原委會你們看過客傳會的客新聞嗎\n他們在AFP和IG都可以看到他們的瀏覽他們是以新媒體多元化的主題讓各個年齡層的人都有興趣關注甚至他們在政策上面的宣導都可以展示他們的多變性但是我了解的是我原文會和客傳會你們曾經有談過如何讓我們的原文會更精進或者是研發請問現在的進度到哪裡你們決策又是什麼\n原民會你們支持同意嗎?就是剛剛一直在講的這個4千萬嗎?是,我們支持也希望他們列入114到119年的原住民族文化那傅子惠你清楚知道你清楚知道人家客船會才花多少錢嗎?而且現在人家已經在做了\n所以一定要編4千萬才會有這個然後你們還是一個中長程計畫接著看一下一樣報告書第16月原民會在今年度也就是2024 3月29號向主管機關提案也就是原民會114到119年度的中長程計畫就是我剛剛講的建制專屬原住民族數位影音平台然後以6年為期\n一到第二年是要平台建置期第三到第四年是數位影音優質內容產製期預計從每年自製內容兩部外部構置五部我們看一下客傳會第一頁報告書看一下\n他明確指出克傳會要辦理新媒體營運一年編列1500萬的預算請問原文會董事長為什麼需要提案114到119年度的中長程計劃然後你們說要建置專屬原住民族數位影音平台請問你們是要在現有的社群網路比如說FB IG Pocket來做還是你們所謂兩年的平台建置其實要開發新的系統新的APP請問一下\n是 數位媒體這一塊有非常就是發展上的快變動性所以我們在所以你一定要有這個所謂的這個中長程計劃你才能做嗎那你要做什麼你清楚嗎請問原民會副主委你同意他這個案子嗎\n他的論述還有他的數據的基礎夠不夠支持你們來支持他這個中長程計劃還是他只要調整現在的方向就可以了?目前因為才剛剛送來你們不瞭解是不是?所以所以呢副主委回答之前我們看一下原民會的報告第三頁\n你們有關原文會營運情形及如何因應新媒體發展趨勢第二點你說原文會已經在110年在原文會的文化行銷部已經籌設了新媒體組這是任務編組主要任務是經營管理維護社群媒體平台還有製作新媒體影音跟Podcast節目所以副主委你們110年已經籌設新媒體組了為什麼今天原文會還要提案中長城計畫\n請問一下報告委員我們現在新媒體的任務編組是4個人然後每年是350萬這個非常小的規模所以110年你們已經跟原民會討論這個問題了嘛對吧\n我們有跟主管機關來提出我們在這塊的需求那你們現在做了什麼樣的精進?怎麼樣的進步?怎麼樣的數據?我們除了Podcast我們在YT、YouTube在哪裡啊?數據?你今天客委會都已經把這些他從什麼時候開始然後增加到去請那個助理再回到那個客委會今天的\n你連這個東西在110年你跟原文會已經提出了你們都沒有這些數據告訴我們啊是 這個數據我們有我們立刻再提供那為什麼今天不提出來呢我先在這邊講如果你們之前在現有的制度都做不好我是堅決你們要再提出這些預算的啦檢討一下原文會的營運情形\n然後,原文會,你們的營運情形你們只講發揮守護台灣多元文化價值的媒體影響力然後正是原文會發展數位媒體的目標你們這次沒有提原文會整體的營運樣貌欸你覺得現在很好了嗎?\n請問一下董事長,你們怎麼樣跟原語會怎麼樣在原文、原民台的或者是廣播裡面來增加我們現在原語會很清楚我們現在不叫羅馬拼音,我就講一個最簡單的事不叫羅馬拼音,它叫原住民文字,你們做了什麼樣的宣傳廣告?你們在所有的現在既有的能夠露出來的這邊有教育了社會大眾嗎?\n很顯然很顯然你們並沒有做得很好所以原民會主委副主委是您知道原民會除了在臺北總部有電視台之外我現在在因為議題太多了齁有電視總部電視台廣播台之外還有三個地方有設置原民台的新聞中心嗎有有在台東有好請問一下中部有新聞中心對不對南部有新聞中心對不對台東也有東部有新聞中心對不對是是是\n現在已經是5G的時代了網速和雲端科技非常發達了傳送影片速度也非常快所以我們必要再設計所謂的地方中心嗎是不是應該要整體檢討了而且我還聽說有非常多的中心現在是養老院所以請問副主委原民會你們清楚知道有這個三個這個中心它的執行力怎麼樣\n你們在既有的所有的要制度給制度、要錢給錢全部都給你們了然後你們今天來的報告都看不到你們的這些檢討的東西耶一直要錢、一直要計劃然後接著下來我們下年度就要編預算啦你覺得原住民立法委員可以做你們的後盾嗎?\n我們是不是在了解一下目前請問一下簡單的說明 委員會董事長為什麼報告書看不到總部還有三個地方的說明還有數據是難道我還要再排一個專案報告嗎還是呢在一個專案報告裡面你們就可以把你們現在所做的事情全部講清楚把數據提出來然後未來還有什麼經濟還有你們必須要檢討的部分你今天的報告書不應該是這樣子嗎\n我再補充跟委員做報告就是我們三個中心最主要是能夠就近對部落的新聞去做cover我知道現在已經是5G時代了你覺得還需要這幾個中心嗎還需要這幾個中心嗎那現在這幾個中心它的執行力怎麼樣好不好\n那未來還有一個臺北的喔你們現在有四個中心喔然後你們要錢給錢要人給人但是你們最基層的員工的權益你們最基層的員工的權益就我知道還沒有勞動部的最新的薪資喔你們是不是要報告\n你們是不是要報告一下我不是說搬遷的我說以既有的最基礎的員工的權益你們都還沒有照顧到所以\n我希望今天我講了非常多的原文會不管是5G未來的時代或者是現在多媒體的不管是你們的營運的部分或者是為了要搬遷的部分有很多的問題所以我希望中府主委跟原語會也好原文會也好一定要針對這一次搬遷大樓之後我們還有哪一些要精進要檢討的部分\n不是花了17億就兩手一攤然後什麼也都不檢討了所以我請原文會兩週之內也請原民會還有原文會你們再整理出最好的書面報告還有你們的各項數據還有規劃否則的話身為一個原住民的立法委員從最早的電視台的成立然後離開公共電視然後現在我們有一個專屬自己的基金會不管是原文會不管是原民會\n謝謝高津找我的質詢那本席\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.975 --> 00:15.867\n謝謝主席,我們請原民會中副主委、原文會西莫拉斯董事長、原語會的瑪耀古木董事長,還有勞動部的黃副司長請中副主委及以上提到的這些官員上台備詢\n\n00:17.650 --> 00:41.005\n請問一下預計什麼時候搬到新大樓也就是原住民族語言傳播大樓這個是誰要回答我?14年12月預計完工但是搬遷大概是15年年初請問一下搬到桃園之後大台北地區還會有一個所謂的北區中心呢?報告委員就是為了新聞製作我們會有一個中心在這裡\n\n00:42.645 --> 01:10.140\n因為中央部門、單位都是在台北也是所謂的資訊交流的集中地請問這個問題你們在搬遷之前有沒有想過?有,我們在搬遷的小組都有做討論北區中心要花錢租,對不對?大概會有多少人這樣來來去去?以你們估計?它是一個辦公區塊提供給記者在台北發稿的區域會在哪裡?我們會招標所以還會有一筆錢?\n\n01:11.794 --> 01:12.954\n員工的權益部分在一年度是編列兩千萬\n\n01:39.977 --> 02:01.110\n一年兩千萬這兩千萬包括托育補助、搬遷補助、合宜住宅的規劃是嗎?是是是好所以要準備要幾年?報告員三年三年一年兩千萬等於就是還會有六千萬那萬一這些人在三年當中他的權益沒被照顧到那怎麼辦?\n\n02:02.959 --> 02:22.484\n我們一樣是會就是以勞基法的方式好請問一下黃副司長目前這個案子你們有介入嗎在他們針對這個部分的討論之後你們有沒有把你們相關應該我們的這個員工應該要的福利有提醒他們注意些什麼\n\n02:23.124 --> 02:47.682\n報告委員因為這個案子之前原民會是沒有請我們勞動部提供什麼協助今天我邀請你來了所以從今天開始你們要介入然後原民會也好所以原文會董事長也好原語會董事長也好你們所謂的這個討論小組今天必須要加入我們勞動部然後要把員工權益放在第一也就是我為什麼今天會邀請勞動部來的原因好嗎副市長謝謝\n\n02:48.963 --> 03:14.772\n我在4月8日執行客傳會的董事董事長的時候我針對客傳會執行的網路媒體的成效我認為值得我們的原文會來效法學習所以今天我也特別安排一個專案報告說因應當代新媒體發展的趨勢來擬定經濟的策略在這裡我要給客傳會肯定今天你們的報告書非常的完整你不僅僅提供了文字的敘述你還把\n\n03:15.592 --> 03:37.779\n大數據撈出來然後匯整成圖卡或者是列表來呈現其中跟包含了所有類別的成效率、觸及率這樣的精細我們可以讓在座的每一個立法委員一目了然但是反觀原文會我感到非常的失望今天原文會的書面報告裡面欠缺所有的數據還有你的執行率還有你的成效率、觸及率\n\n03:40.600 --> 03:57.575\n沒有這些書記讓我們怎麼知道你們所有的計劃成效呢?怎麼樣讓我們立法委員審查你們的預算呢?來看看原文會報告書第15頁你們有說要成立數位媒體部跟建置原住民族數位影音平台你們要邁向未來的趨勢你有提到\n\n03:58.475 --> 04:12.247\n緣分會心媒體之路雖然在受限條件之下你們仍然透過社群媒體跟節目內容製作獲得各界的熱烈迴響什麼叫做熱烈迴響請董事長簡單說明一下沒有數據什麼叫做熱烈迴響是我們的數據我們在哪裡今天要請你們來報告為什麼沒有提供給本席呢是你們那又是秘密的東西嗎沒有沒有那你現在拿的數據是什麼\n\n04:31.674 --> 04:37.756\n以後希望你們趕快提出來第16頁報告也提到你們要向主管機關提案規劃未來成立數位媒體專屬部門\n\n04:44.282 --> 04:57.437\n預計要編列每年度常態性的業務預算4000萬新增人額25名編制三個業務組別為社群策略組還有平台發展組還有快運內容組透過專屬的部門來推動原文會的數位轉型對嗎?\n\n05:04.571 --> 05:19.424\n我是支持原文會的數位轉型可是原文會你們到底有沒有清楚知道你們轉型到底要轉到哪裡啊數位轉型不是繼續停留在攝影棚拍攝、錄製節目而應該是要更多元化嘛是吧\n\n05:20.585 --> 05:29.849\n所以是不是可以不要在攝影棚也可以在街頭啊也更可以在任何角落啊那形式上除了我們的電視還有廣播之外我們的FB、IG、Pocket或者是各類的短影應該都可以嘛所以你們原委會你們看過客傳會的客新聞嗎\n\n05:38.553 --> 06:05.267\n他們在AFP和IG都可以看到他們的瀏覽他們是以新媒體多元化的主題讓各個年齡層的人都有興趣關注甚至他們在政策上面的宣導都可以展示他們的多變性但是我了解的是我原文會和客傳會你們曾經有談過如何讓我們的原文會更精進或者是研發請問現在的進度到哪裡你們決策又是什麼\n\n06:06.187 --> 06:21.557\n原民會你們支持同意嗎?就是剛剛一直在講的這個4千萬嗎?是,我們支持也希望他們列入114到119年的原住民族文化那傅子惠你清楚知道你清楚知道人家客船會才花多少錢嗎?而且現在人家已經在做了\n\n06:25.016 --> 06:48.294\n所以一定要編4千萬才會有這個然後你們還是一個中長程計畫接著看一下一樣報告書第16月原民會在今年度也就是20243月29號向主管機關提案也就是原民會114到119年度的中長程計畫就是我剛剛講的建制專屬原住民族數位影音平台然後以6年為期\n\n06:49.755 --> 07:06.741\n一到第二年是要平台建置期第三到第四年是數位影音優質內容產製期預計從每年自製內容兩部外部構置五部我們看一下客傳會第一頁報告書看一下\n\n07:07.461 --> 07:36.828\n他明確指出克傳會要辦理新媒體營運一年編列1500萬的預算請問原文會董事長為什麼需要提案114到119年度的中長程計劃然後你們說要建置專屬原住民族數位影音平台請問你們是要在現有的社群網路比如說FBIGPocket來做還是你們所謂兩年的平台建置其實要開發新的系統新的APP請問一下\n\n07:38.041 --> 07:56.876\n是數位媒體這一塊有非常就是發展上的快變動性所以我們在所以你一定要有這個所謂的這個中長程計劃你才能做嗎那你要做什麼你清楚嗎請問原民會副主委你同意他這個案子嗎\n\n07:58.541 --> 08:19.241\n他的論述還有他的數據的基礎夠不夠支持你們來支持他這個中長程計劃還是他只要調整現在的方向就可以了?目前因為才剛剛送來你們不瞭解是不是?所以所以呢副主委回答之前我們看一下原民會的報告第三頁\n\n08:20.509 --> 08:47.181\n你們有關原文會營運情形及如何因應新媒體發展趨勢第二點你說原文會已經在110年在原文會的文化行銷部已經籌設了新媒體組這是任務編組主要任務是經營管理維護社群媒體平台還有製作新媒體影音跟Podcast節目所以副主委你們110年已經籌設新媒體組了為什麼今天原文會還要提案中長城計畫\n\n08:50.124 --> 09:02.532\n請問一下報告委員我們現在新媒體的任務編組是4個人然後每年是350萬這個非常小的規模所以110年你們已經跟原民會討論這個問題了嘛對吧\n\n09:05.979 --> 09:27.704\n我們有跟主管機關來提出我們在這塊的需求那你們現在做了什麼樣的精進?怎麼樣的進步?怎麼樣的數據?我們除了Podcast我們在YT、YouTube在哪裡啊?數據?你今天客委會都已經把這些他從什麼時候開始然後增加到去請那個助理再回到那個客委會今天的\n\n09:28.524 --> 09:49.504\n你連這個東西在110年你跟原文會已經提出了你們都沒有這些數據告訴我們啊是這個數據我們有我們立刻再提供那為什麼今天不提出來呢我先在這邊講如果你們之前在現有的制度都做不好我是堅決你們要再提出這些預算的啦檢討一下原文會的營運情形\n\n09:50.345 --> 10:03.554\n然後,原文會,你們的營運情形你們只講發揮守護台灣多元文化價值的媒體影響力然後正是原文會發展數位媒體的目標你們這次沒有提原文會整體的營運樣貌欸你覺得現在很好了嗎?\n\n10:08.141 --> 10:30.595\n請問一下董事長,你們怎麼樣跟原語會怎麼樣在原文、原民台的或者是廣播裡面來增加我們現在原語會很清楚我們現在不叫羅馬拼音,我就講一個最簡單的事不叫羅馬拼音,它叫原住民文字,你們做了什麼樣的宣傳廣告?你們在所有的現在既有的能夠露出來的這邊有教育了社會大眾嗎?\n\n10:32.264 --> 10:59.678\n很顯然很顯然你們並沒有做得很好所以原民會主委副主委是您知道原民會除了在臺北總部有電視台之外我現在在因為議題太多了齁有電視總部電視台廣播台之外還有三個地方有設置原民台的新聞中心嗎有有在台東有好請問一下中部有新聞中心對不對南部有新聞中心對不對台東也有東部有新聞中心對不對是是是\n\n11:00.678 --> 11:19.051\n現在已經是5G的時代了網速和雲端科技非常發達了傳送影片速度也非常快所以我們必要再設計所謂的地方中心嗎是不是應該要整體檢討了而且我還聽說有非常多的中心現在是養老院所以請問副主委原民會你們清楚知道有這個三個這個中心它的執行力怎麼樣\n\n11:29.195 --> 11:46.069\n你們在既有的所有的要制度給制度、要錢給錢全部都給你們了然後你們今天來的報告都看不到你們的這些檢討的東西耶一直要錢、一直要計劃然後接著下來我們下年度就要編預算啦你覺得原住民立法委員可以做你們的後盾嗎?\n\n11:56.918 --> 12:19.890\n我們是不是在了解一下目前請問一下簡單的說明委員會董事長為什麼報告書看不到總部還有三個地方的說明還有數據是難道我還要再排一個專案報告嗎還是呢在一個專案報告裡面你們就可以把你們現在所做的事情全部講清楚把數據提出來然後未來還有什麼經濟還有你們必須要檢討的部分你今天的報告書不應該是這樣子嗎\n\n12:21.732 --> 12:33.720\n我再補充跟委員做報告就是我們三個中心最主要是能夠就近對部落的新聞去做cover我知道現在已經是5G時代了你覺得還需要這幾個中心嗎還需要這幾個中心嗎那現在這幾個中心它的執行力怎麼樣好不好\n\n12:40.704 --> 12:46.028\n那未來還有一個臺北的喔你們現在有四個中心喔然後你們要錢給錢要人給人但是你們最基層的員工的權益你們最基層的員工的權益就我知道還沒有勞動部的最新的薪資喔你們是不是要報告\n\n13:02.600 --> 13:11.213\n你們是不是要報告一下我不是說搬遷的我說以既有的最基礎的員工的權益你們都還沒有照顧到所以\n\n13:12.281 --> 13:38.575\n我希望今天我講了非常多的原文會不管是5G未來的時代或者是現在多媒體的不管是你們的營運的部分或者是為了要搬遷的部分有很多的問題所以我希望中府主委跟原語會也好原文會也好一定要針對這一次搬遷大樓之後我們還有哪一些要精進要檢討的部分\n\n13:40.069 --> 14:07.266\n不是花了17億就兩手一攤然後什麼也都不檢討了所以我請原文會兩週之內也請原民會還有原文會你們再整理出最好的書面報告還有你們的各項數據還有規劃否則的話身為一個原住民的立法委員從最早的電視台的成立然後離開公共電視然後現在我們有一個專屬自己的基金會不管是原文會不管是原民會\n\n14:08.487 --> 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數位媒體這一塊有非常就是發展上的快變動性所以我們在所以你一定要有這個所謂的這個中長程計劃你才能做嗎那你要做什麼你清楚嗎請問原民會副主委你同意他這個案子嗎"},{"start":478.541,"end":499.241,"text":"他的論述還有他的數據的基礎夠不夠支持你們來支持他這個中長程計劃還是他只要調整現在的方向就可以了?目前因為才剛剛送來你們不瞭解是不是?所以所以呢副主委回答之前我們看一下原民會的報告第三頁"},{"start":500.509,"end":527.181,"text":"你們有關原文會營運情形及如何因應新媒體發展趨勢第二點你說原文會已經在110年在原文會的文化行銷部已經籌設了新媒體組這是任務編組主要任務是經營管理維護社群媒體平台還有製作新媒體影音跟Podcast節目所以副主委你們110年已經籌設新媒體組了為什麼今天原文會還要提案中長城計畫"},{"start":530.124,"end":542.532,"text":"請問一下報告委員我們現在新媒體的任務編組是4個人然後每年是350萬這個非常小的規模所以110年你們已經跟原民會討論這個問題了嘛對吧"},{"start":545.979,"end":567.704,"text":"我們有跟主管機關來提出我們在這塊的需求那你們現在做了什麼樣的精進?怎麼樣的進步?怎麼樣的數據?我們除了Podcast我們在YT、YouTube在哪裡啊?數據?你今天客委會都已經把這些他從什麼時候開始然後增加到去請那個助理再回到那個客委會今天的"},{"start":568.524,"end":589.504,"text":"你連這個東西在110年你跟原文會已經提出了你們都沒有這些數據告訴我們啊是 這個數據我們有我們立刻再提供那為什麼今天不提出來呢我先在這邊講如果你們之前在現有的制度都做不好我是堅決你們要再提出這些預算的啦檢討一下原文會的營運情形"},{"start":590.345,"end":603.554,"text":"然後,原文會,你們的營運情形你們只講發揮守護台灣多元文化價值的媒體影響力然後正是原文會發展數位媒體的目標你們這次沒有提原文會整體的營運樣貌欸你覺得現在很好了嗎?"},{"start":608.141,"end":630.595,"text":"請問一下董事長,你們怎麼樣跟原語會怎麼樣在原文、原民台的或者是廣播裡面來增加我們現在原語會很清楚我們現在不叫羅馬拼音,我就講一個最簡單的事不叫羅馬拼音,它叫原住民文字,你們做了什麼樣的宣傳廣告?你們在所有的現在既有的能夠露出來的這邊有教育了社會大眾嗎?"},{"start":632.264,"end":659.678,"text":"很顯然很顯然你們並沒有做得很好所以原民會主委副主委是您知道原民會除了在臺北總部有電視台之外我現在在因為議題太多了齁有電視總部電視台廣播台之外還有三個地方有設置原民台的新聞中心嗎有有在台東有好請問一下中部有新聞中心對不對南部有新聞中心對不對台東也有東部有新聞中心對不對是是是"},{"start":660.678,"end":679.051,"text":"現在已經是5G的時代了網速和雲端科技非常發達了傳送影片速度也非常快所以我們必要再設計所謂的地方中心嗎是不是應該要整體檢討了而且我還聽說有非常多的中心現在是養老院所以請問副主委原民會你們清楚知道有這個三個這個中心它的執行力怎麼樣"},{"start":689.195,"end":706.069,"text":"你們在既有的所有的要制度給制度、要錢給錢全部都給你們了然後你們今天來的報告都看不到你們的這些檢討的東西耶一直要錢、一直要計劃然後接著下來我們下年度就要編預算啦你覺得原住民立法委員可以做你們的後盾嗎?"},{"start":716.918,"end":739.89,"text":"我們是不是在了解一下目前請問一下簡單的說明 委員會董事長為什麼報告書看不到總部還有三個地方的說明還有數據是難道我還要再排一個專案報告嗎還是呢在一個專案報告裡面你們就可以把你們現在所做的事情全部講清楚把數據提出來然後未來還有什麼經濟還有你們必須要檢討的部分你今天的報告書不應該是這樣子嗎"},{"start":741.732,"end":753.72,"text":"我再補充跟委員做報告就是我們三個中心最主要是能夠就近對部落的新聞去做cover我知道現在已經是5G時代了你覺得還需要這幾個中心嗎還需要這幾個中心嗎那現在這幾個中心它的執行力怎麼樣好不好"},{"start":760.704,"end":766.028,"text":"那未來還有一個臺北的喔你們現在有四個中心喔然後你們要錢給錢要人給人但是你們最基層的員工的權益你們最基層的員工的權益就我知道還沒有勞動部的最新的薪資喔你們是不是要報告"},{"start":782.6,"end":791.213,"text":"你們是不是要報告一下我不是說搬遷的我說以既有的最基礎的員工的權益你們都還沒有照顧到所以"},{"start":792.281,"end":818.575,"text":"我希望今天我講了非常多的原文會不管是5G未來的時代或者是現在多媒體的不管是你們的營運的部分或者是為了要搬遷的部分有很多的問題所以我希望中府主委跟原語會也好原文會也好一定要針對這一次搬遷大樓之後我們還有哪一些要精進要檢討的部分"},{"start":820.069,"end":847.266,"text":"不是花了17億就兩手一攤然後什麼也都不檢討了所以我請原文會兩週之內也請原民會還有原文會你們再整理出最好的書面報告還有你們的各項數據還有規劃否則的話身為一個原住民的立法委員從最早的電視台的成立然後離開公共電視然後現在我們有一個專屬自己的基金會不管是原文會不管是原民會"},{"start":848.487,"end":849.688,"text":"謝謝高津找我的質詢那本席"}]}}}}