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00:00:29,685\n委員好部長這應該是520之前我們的最後一次見面是是謝謝委員不管怎麼樣其實還是要說一下關於TVBS的民調其實蔡總統的執政滿意度還是高達42%我想這個論文應該也是只有很少數人還想要再知道再追問的這個部分\n\n3\n00:00:37,908 --> 00:01:03,809\n今天其實我們針對所謂的這個優華語計畫的一個部分我想這個臺灣優華語的一個計畫主要還是以歐美紐澳這樣子的一個計畫為主那當初其實我們知道在中國他們在各個不同的國家設立很多所謂的孔子學院但是也有很多的西方國家或者很多的國家也意識到這個孔子學院可能會有所謂的滲透的一些問題\n\n4\n00:01:04,649 --> 00:01:04,669\n〔記者訪問〕\n\n5\n00:01:34,532 --> 00:01:35,073\n新南向的政策\n\n6\n00:02:05,293 --> 00:02:18,209\n在今天跟委員提出來的這些內容裡面其實我們國際招生的相關措施包含一般性大學的招收國際生那不是招生對對但像優華語計畫我說這幾個是相輔相成\n\n7\n00:02:22,734 --> 00:02:48,206\n因為當時華語教育在推動的過程後來我們做了一些改變希望能夠更深化所以才採取校對校就是U2U的這種模式所以這個確實在美國這方面因為跟大學原來的互動基礎比較多但是在華語教育的推動尤其新南向國家如果我有留意到我們在一些新南向國家這些相關的方案裡面採取兩個非常重要的\n\n8\n00:02:51,047 --> 00:02:51,147\n這是來到臺灣嗎?\n\n9\n00:03:18,473 --> 00:03:19,454\n我們要派我們這邊的華語的老師是到所謂的亞洲的部分這邊是掛零啦\n\n10\n00:03:33,530 --> 00:03:33,750\n這個部門可能要再寫清楚\n\n11\n00:04:01,254 --> 00:04:01,374\n主席\n\n12\n00:04:16,840 --> 00:04:16,880\n〔記者問答〕\n\n13\n00:04:38,991 --> 00:04:42,752\n國內21所對應合作的68所他們會去從校際彼此之間的需求來去訂定有些他就希望我們有華語教師到他當地的\n\n14\n00:05:06,141 --> 00:05:06,321\n但我們還是有撥經費給他們嗎?\n\n15\n00:05:25,999 --> 00:05:27,779\n華語教育是一個很好的橋樑是我們華語的老師師資不足因為這部分只要對方的學校有需求\n\n16\n00:05:46,404 --> 00:06:14,181\n所以他們現在是沒有這方面的需求對這兩所學校就同仁跟我提到是說在合作裡面他們並沒有提出華語師資啦如果他們在推廣推動的過程有需要就會跟我們再提出來了解好那我想這個優華語的部分當然我們也看到就是這些報告可能還必須要再有一些更近近的一些地方這個還要持續滾動再再再就像剛剛所說的如果新南向的一些國家可能還會有10個不同的據點那如果有最新的報告再提供給我們這樣子好\n\n17\n00:06:16,282 --> 00:06:16,302\n蔣麗芸議員\n\n18\n00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:51,825\n大學的部分是確定要停招13所的私校可能在今年可能就要熄燈了我想其實在這個部分在私校退場不是只有私立大學的部分另外還包含所謂的像是高中職的部分\n\n19\n00:06:52,745 --> 00:07:06,029\n職校即職學校也是一樣的一個道理當然一方面是因為少子化那二方面其實也是因為相對應的所謂的學校的經費的部分他沒有辦法用更好的一個經費去請到更好的師資那也有可能變成這樣雖然我們的基本的這個條幅學察費的部分條幅有0.61%\n\n20\n00:07:15,291 --> 00:07:42,731\n但就某一個私校的這個大學的校長說這百分之零點六一好像吃了兩個漢堡都沒了所以其實這個部分因為有可能會讓很多的教育資源開始變成所謂的弱化我們講教育資源會變成所謂的M型化私校辦的好的私校或者是有口碑的一些私校還是一堆家長想要把孩子送進去私校但是我們相對來講又有一堆的私校其實就因為招不到學生也面臨要退場\n\n21\n00:07:43,732 --> 00:07:44,833\n蘇國庚委員報告這幾年對私校確實讓學生的這部分為了減輕他們的學貸負擔\n\n22\n00:08:04,574 --> 00:08:05,074\n李卓人議員\n\n23\n00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:25,320\n教育部部長\n\n24\n00:08:42,296 --> 00:08:42,396\n李卓人議員\n\n25\n00:09:06,826 --> 00:09:08,808\n施教退場接著下來要接手的還有就是學生安置的一些問題都是非常大的問題可能也要再跟地方政府的教育局\n\n26\n00:09:27,728 --> 00:09:27,868\n李卓人議員\n\n27\n00:09:43,502 --> 00:09:44,163\n最後一點點時間我想4月10號其實我針對了所謂的開開案\n\n28\n00:10:08,140 --> 00:10:08,420\n教育部長潘文忠列席\n\n29\n00:10:31,141 --> 00:10:32,082\n主管機關教育部針對財團法人法公告所謂的捐款人\n\n30\n00:10:59,497 --> 00:10:59,557\n主席\n\n31\n00:11:29,199 --> 00:11:29,359\n教育部部長\n\n32\n00:11:51,078 --> 00:11:54,200\n那這個部分我不知道教育部要在這邊要做有沒有一個解釋啊?\n\n33\n00:12:17,931 --> 00:12:25,153\n跟委員報告因為之前我們跟委員部去做專案的查核當時也邀請幾位會計師一起去進行這個因為這個收支到底合不合相關的會計規範那個相關的法規那我想這個有詳細的查核報告是不是我再請司理頭把那個查核的情形讓委員了解好不好因為那真的是專業有專業的人員代表政府去查核我覺得是必要的\n\n34\n00:12:47,039 --> 00:12:47,079\n主席\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n7834\t10279\t謝謝主席 有請潘部長是 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有請潘部長是 部長\n委員好部長這應該是520之前我們的最後一次見面是是謝謝委員不管怎麼樣其實還是要說一下關於TVBS的民調其實蔡總統的執政滿意度還是高達42%我想這個論文應該也是只有很少數人還想要再知道再追問的這個部分\n今天其實我們針對所謂的這個優華語計畫的一個部分我想這個臺灣優華語的一個計畫主要還是以歐美紐澳這樣子的一個計畫為主那當初其實我們知道在中國他們在各個不同的國家設立很多所謂的孔子學院但是也有很多的西方國家或者很多的國家也意識到這個孔子學院可能會有所謂的滲透的一些問題\n〔記者訪問〕\n新南向的政策\n在今天跟委員提出來的這些內容裡面其實我們國際招生的相關措施 包含一般性大學的招收國際生那不是招生 對對 但像優華語計畫 我說這幾個是相輔相成\n因為當時華語教育在推動的過程後來我們做了一些改變希望能夠更深化所以才採取校對校就是U2U的這種模式所以這個確實在美國這方面因為跟大學原來的互動基礎比較多但是在華語教育的推動尤其新南向國家如果我有留意到我們在一些新南向國家這些相關的方案裡面採取兩個非常重要的\n這是來到臺灣嗎?\n我們要派我們這邊的華語的老師是到所謂的亞洲的部分這邊是掛零啦\n這個部門可能要再寫清楚\n主席\n〔記者問答〕\n國內21所對應合作的68所他們會去從校際彼此之間的需求來去訂定有些他就希望我們有華語教師到他當地的\n但我們還是有撥經費給他們嗎?\n華語教育是一個很好的橋樑是我們華語的老師師資不足因為這部分只要對方的學校有需求\n所以他們現在是沒有這方面的需求對 這兩所學校就同仁跟我提到是說在合作裡面他們並沒有提出華語師資啦如果他們在推廣推動的過程有需要就會跟我們再提出來了解好 那我想這個優華語的部分當然我們也看到就是這些報告可能還必須要再有一些更近近的一些地方這個還要持續滾動再再再就像剛剛所說的如果新南向的一些國家可能還會有10個不同的據點那如果有最新的報告再提供給我們這樣子好\n蔣麗芸議員\n大學的部分是確定要停招13所的私校可能在今年可能就要熄燈了我想其實在這個部分在私校退場不是只有私立大學的部分另外還包含所謂的像是高中職的部分\n職校即職學校也是一樣的一個道理當然一方面是因為少子化那二方面其實也是因為相對應的所謂的學校的經費的部分他沒有辦法用更好的一個經費去請到更好的師資那也有可能變成這樣雖然我們的基本的這個條幅學察費的部分條幅有0.61%\n但就某一個私校的這個大學的校長說這百分之零點六一好像吃了兩個漢堡都沒了所以其實這個部分因為有可能會讓很多的教育資源開始變成所謂的弱化我們講教育資源會變成所謂的M型化私校辦的好的私校或者是有口碑的一些私校還是一堆家長想要把孩子送進去私校但是我們相對來講又有一堆的私校其實就因為招不到學生也面臨要退場\n蘇國庚委員報告這幾年對私校確實讓學生的這部分為了減輕他們的學貸負擔\n李卓人議員\n教育部部長\n李卓人議員\n施教退場接著下來要接手的還有就是學生安置的一些問題都是非常大的問題可能也要再跟地方政府的教育局\n李卓人議員\n最後一點點時間我想4月10號其實我針對了所謂的開開案\n教育部長潘文忠列席\n主管機關教育部針對財團法人法公告所謂的捐款人\n主席\n教育部部長\n那這個部分我不知道教育部要在這邊要做有沒有一個解釋啊?\n跟委員報告因為之前我們跟委員部去做專案的查核當時也邀請幾位會計師一起去進行這個因為這個收支到底合不合相關的會計規範那個相關的法規那我想這個有詳細的查核報告是不是我再請司理頭把那個查核的情形讓委員了解好不好因為那真的是專業有專業的人員代表政府去查核我覺得是必要的\n主席\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:07.834 --> 00:10.279\n謝謝主席有請潘部長是部長\n\n00:13.920 --> 00:29.685\n委員好部長這應該是520之前我們的最後一次見面是是謝謝委員不管怎麼樣其實還是要說一下關於TVBS的民調其實蔡總統的執政滿意度還是高達42%我想這個論文應該也是只有很少數人還想要再知道再追問的這個部分\n\n00:37.908 --> 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