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Kacaw　　　","三、","查行政院109年1月12日核定之「財團法人原住民族文化事業基金會暨財團法人原住民族語言研究發展基金會永久會址興建計畫」經費計17億，係依107年起研擬之「財團法人原住民族文化事業基金會暨財團法人原住民族語言研究發展基金會中長程計畫」，自107年迄今已6年以上，各類營建工程成本受到國際原物料價格上漲、缺工、缺料，以及市場供需影響，價格大幅上漲，造成整個營建成本增加；另外有關專業設備部分，107年研擬計畫時有無檢視設備已超過年限或與現今媒體製播設備規格不符需求，原文會應詳為盤點及檢視亟需增加之專業設備經費。且107年研擬計畫時，財團法人原住民族語言研究發展基金會尚未成立（108年底成立）原語會亦應詳為盤點檢視應增列之設備實際需求；另前述17億之計畫經費，尚未包含依勞動基準法規定必須編列有關員工勞動權益相關費用。","綜上所述，原計畫編列17億預算明顯不足以支應整體經費需求，原住民族委員會應依原文會及原語會實際需求儘速修正「財團法人原住民族文化事業基金會暨財團法人原住民族語言研究發展基金會永久會址興建計畫」，寬列前述所需經費。","提案人：高金素梅　麥玉珍　　黃建賓　　許宇甄　　","鄭天財Sra Kacaw　　　","四、","經查同屬性之公共媒體台語台、客家台及原民台113年度預算分別為8億元、6億元及4.62億元，三者間預算經費不僅明顯有重大落差，且原民台預算支應項目尚包括藝術文化業務及補助業務，致原民台節目製播年度相關費用少於4億元；此外，行政院專案計畫補助財團法人原住民族文化事業基金會經營廣播電台之年度經費每年約1.3億元（含轉播站台及資安系統建置），也與同屬性公共廣播之客家公共傳播基金會113年度預算2.4億元差距1.1億元，依此數據顯示了客家與原住民族之廣播電視媒體年度預算差距高達3億元以上；另為符合媒體發展趨勢需求，亦應編列預算推動建置及經營數位媒體。","基於上述，原住民族委員會應函報行政院寬列財團法人原住民族文化事業基金會相關預算及足額人力資源且不得低於同屬性公共媒體年度預算經費規模，俾落實憲法及原住民族基本法保障原住民族文化之傳承推廣及傳播服務。","提案人：高金素梅　麥玉珍　　黃建賓　　許宇甄　　","鄭天財Sra Kacaw　　　","五、","查113年軍公教員工待遇調整經行政院核定自113年1月1日起調薪4%，適用對象為包括軍職人員、公教人員、技工工友及約聘僱人員及教研人員學術研究加給（專業加給）調整15%；其次，勞工「基本工資審議委員會」依消費者物價指數CPI「103年至112年年增幅高達111%」並衡酌勞動情勢與經濟發展情況，進行基本工資調整審議，自105年迄今，已連續8年調漲基本工資，月薪總調漲37.3%、時薪總調漲52.2%；另參照各公共媒體薪資比較來看，原民台員工平均薪資分別少於公視2萬元及少於客家台1萬元，其中原住民族廣播電台與中央廣播電台平均薪資落差逾2.5萬元；爰請原住民族委員會函報行政院應按同工同酬原則參照各公共媒體薪資水準，於明（114）年度起增列額度外人事預算支應調整財團法人原住民族文化事業基金會員工薪資。有關財團法人原住民族語言研究發展基金會員工薪資，亦請原住民族委員會檢視比照相關機構辦理。","提案人：高金素梅　麥玉珍　　黃建賓　　許宇甄　　","鄭天財Sra 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00:03:39,471\n從學校的教育就應該要從學校開始做起包括之前有一個中一中的園遊會他們的文宣發生過歧視的案例然後包括我的母校其實在臺大的學生自治選舉裡面也都出現過非常多嘲笑的案例我看了覺得蠻難過的當時我甚至出來發聲說就算是學校裡面的選舉也都不應該出現這樣子歧視的言論那我想知道的是現在因為其實去年五月的時候內政委員會\n\n10\n00:03:40,111 --> 00:04:02,868\n去年的內政委員會有針對這些歧視性的言論有排過一個專報然後那時候那個一將主委有說要跟教育部開會然後盤點過去的歧視的案件然後針對落實這些多元的文化的教育要進行相關的討論那不知道說去年開會之後我們到現在做的相關的整理是什麼\n\n11\n00:04:03,348 --> 00:04:27,646\n有跟委員報告這個部分我們除了跟教育部在教政會就這個部分拿出來討論希望通令各學校針對請底下的溝通小聲一點好不好尊重一下我們諮詢的委員我們也主辦一些有關原住民的相關書籍或介紹能夠發送到各學校也能夠變成是他們的教育教材然後做參考希望能夠多認識原住民這個文化的部分\n\n12\n00:04:28,937 --> 00:04:51,389\n因為我是希望說去年那個事件之後你們跟教育部有一些糾正跟補作的措施那我也是很支持說現在人權處的這個反歧視法現在已經有一個草案了那我不知道說原民會有沒有進行相關的討論把你們的需求放進去呢每次開會都有邀我們我們也把我們的需求都納在他們的相關法案裡面\n\n13\n00:04:52,749 --> 00:05:09,806\n因為其實監察院之前有做過一個消明原住民社會歧視的法律策略的研究案那裡面其實都有提到說像是加拿大、澳洲、紐西蘭等國的反歧視的規定都有明確的規定某一些言論的種族歧視的言論必須要禁止\n\n14\n00:05:10,467 --> 00:05:36,329\n那我知道說我們原民會也都有在加入這些討論所以我不知道說你們有沒有把你們的意見明確的放進去有的話我也希望說到時候這個反歧視法的草案裡面是有明確的把我們原民會所有相關的不管是要如何禁止或是任何行為言論你們都有明確的納入你們的意見的是有這個部分我們都會站在原住民族的立場將我們的相關意見提供給他們\n\n15\n00:05:36,943 --> 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