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00:00:48,388\n林宜瑾議員\n\n4\n00:01:04,432 --> 00:01:32,973\n外國人學習華語的首選這個時候正是時候那所以我們要用最堅強的軟實力替台灣外交增益口氣所以這個時候華語的教學人員就變得相對的重要他成為我們搶到華語教學這個版圖很重要的角色那我們來談到華語教學人員的待遇其實非常的不一致我們先看國內的華語中心很多都是兼任的那三個月一聘\n\n5\n00:01:33,393 --> 00:01:33,553\n林宜瑾議員\n\n6\n00:01:57,268 --> 00:02:25,645\n收入真的很不穩定好那我們再看外派到海外的這個華語教學人員的待遇好了因為教育部因為每個月有補助一千二到一千九的美元的生活補助再加上當地學校給的薪資所以差不多能符合他們的在當地的這個需求開銷好一點的還可以存到一點錢齁那可是不過補助的期間只有一年為限那一年為原則啦齁那當然有貨到\n\n7\n00:02:26,926 --> 00:02:46,558\n如果接到國外學校的續聘者當然可以續約我們也可以延長補助可是那也要獲得學校的續聘那如果說好的就是教學人員如果跟學校談條心的話那學校可能就會再請教育部再聘多聘這個華語教學人員來就好\n\n8\n00:02:48,318 --> 00:03:14,771\n通常他們給我們的經驗是這樣所以如果說教學人員要跟當地的學校談條心那基本上幾乎都是沒有的事情所以講難聽一點就是說好像棉洗筷一樣就是用過就丟這樣那上述我剛提的真的就是我們華語教學人員的困境不管是在外國的或者在國內的\n\n9\n00:03:15,951 --> 00:03:16,392\n林宜瑾林宜瑾\n\n10\n00:03:31,491 --> 00:03:31,631\n林宜瑾議員\n\n11\n00:03:46,727 --> 00:03:46,747\n部長．\n\n12\n00:04:11,274 --> 00:04:15,198\n謝謝張偉對於華語教育、華語師資的議題的關注我也跟張偉報告確實華語教師尤其是派外到學校去做這方面的教學的資源當然挑戰也會比較大所以剛才張偉所提到的在有關\n\n13\n00:04:32,978 --> 00:04:33,178\n中典費很不一致\n\n14\n00:05:01,254 --> 00:05:01,334\n林宜瑾議員\n\n15\n00:05:22,998 --> 00:05:23,058\n林宜瑾議員\n\n16\n00:05:45,384 --> 00:05:47,444\n臺灣推華語教育不會像這個中國的孔子學院因為那個太強烈的引發很多國家的這些反彈因為確實我們在這樣做的過程當中\n\n17\n00:06:11,009 --> 00:06:11,109\n李宗盛\n\n18\n00:06:33,050 --> 00:06:40,337\n希望未來真的成為所謂的外國人來學習華語的首選台灣是首選再來本席要跟您談談公費留學生的問題我們現在很積極在招攬國際留學生來台灣唸書那台灣有人才的缺口部分我們也希望這些國際生唸完書可以留下來來填補我們人力缺口\n\n19\n00:06:55,491 --> 00:06:56,632\n教育部長潘文忠列席\n\n20\n00:07:16,538 --> 00:07:40,055\n跟委員報告確實我們在名額上一直在增加那從報名就如委員所說的確實看起來不想過往那麼這個除了我想政策上我們會持續來推那也跟趙委這邊報告因為現在很多學生他未必是用公費留學取得學位\n\n21\n00:07:40,575 --> 00:07:40,715\n林宜瑾\n\n22\n00:08:07,165 --> 00:08:14,708\n我發現他的效果是蠻好的像我們有一些叫做設計比如像設計人才的這種蹲點的計畫比如一個學生我們他申請合訂以後這當然還蠻嚴格的他比如說他是以服裝時尚為主的真的他選擇地點就是法國巴黎那去一年\n\n23\n00:08:27,674 --> 00:08:31,737\n他發現這種回來因為我也好幾次都有機會聽他們分享其實他們得到的成長或真正學到因為見識到世界一流的師資跟學生因為可能就教會在那裡所以這種形態可能跟過往我們說一定以公費的方式幾年取得學位等等的我是覺得有比較多樣化\n\n24\n00:08:51,553 --> 00:08:51,673\n李卓人議員\n\n25\n00:09:10,717 --> 00:09:11,238\n教育部從2017年推動新南向國家公費留學\n\n26\n00:09:30,254 --> 00:09:50,245\n這部分每年都開設10個名額可是報名人數也都是十幾二十人那2022年度甚至只有7個人報名那2023也只有11個人報名所以這兩年的錄取人數其實也只有5個人就是也不到足額那我想當然這個有學生反應是說\n\n27\n00:09:51,526 --> 00:10:00,272\n除了疫情的關係以外可能就是說教育部好像也沒有太積極在宣傳就是說這部分可能要更積極宣傳來吸引學生報名當然我想這個可能還有一些教養觀念的問題所以除了就是說後面認為說大家都希望往歐美或東亞\n\n28\n00:10:11,038 --> 00:10:11,378\n不曉得部長你怎麼看\n\n29\n00:10:32,251 --> 00:10:39,557\n這個確實從比較長時段來看臺灣孩子當時在如果說留學啦或公費留學確實歐美是他們比較燃進去的啦應該可以看得出來但是新南向這些國家啦其實在這些年的我們跟他們的互動我覺得真的其實是跟相較過往是有很大的開展\n\n30\n00:10:57,191 --> 00:10:57,551\n雙向互動我們要再加強宣導\n\n31\n00:11:26,778 --> 00:11:50,871\n所以說在花30秒就是說關心說之前有發現說新南向產學合作專班的學生來臺違法打工的這個事情那現在教育部在推新型專班很多都擔心說這個會不會有漏洞就是說在發生所謂打黑工的事件那外國學生來臺就學辦法的規定招生事務就是說除了宣傳推廣跟協助學生辦理來臺的相關的必要程序外\n\n32\n00:11:51,471 --> 00:11:52,172\n林宜瑾議員\n\n33\n00:12:21,371 --> 00:12:26,176\n新南向產西國際專班確實招生初期我們有看到國內的學校真的在這個方面的準備跟心態我覺得是不足的\n\n34\n00:12:37,749 --> 00:12:44,831\n那發現了幾個這個嚴重的我們講的真的叫做嚴重的現象教育部是採取非常嚴厲的處置也跟學校非常嚴格的要求後來我們修了幾個包含現在這些辦法都是以那個為基礎那很重要的讓學校知道絕對不得透過仲介人力那這個辦法除了宣誓以外其實是要我們發的學生入學通知適用一定要給當事學生\n\n35\n00:13:07,357 --> 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林宜瑾\n林宜瑾議員\n部長．\n謝謝張偉對於華語教育、華語師資的議題的關注我也跟張偉報告確實華語教師尤其是派外到學校去做這方面的教學的資源當然挑戰也會比較大所以剛才張偉所提到的在有關\n中典費很不一致\n林宜瑾議員\n林宜瑾議員\n臺灣推華語教育不會像這個中國的孔子學院因為那個太強烈的引發很多國家的這些反彈因為確實我們在這樣做的過程當中\n李宗盛\n希望未來真的成為所謂的外國人來學習華語的首選台灣是首選再來本席要跟您談談公費留學生的問題我們現在很積極在招攬國際留學生來台灣唸書那台灣有人才的缺口部分我們也希望這些國際生唸完書可以留下來來填補我們人力缺口\n教育部長潘文忠列席\n跟委員報告確實我們在名額上一直在增加那從報名就如委員所說的確實看起來不想過往那麼這個除了我想政策上我們會持續來推那也跟趙委這邊報告因為現在很多學生他未必是用公費留學取得學位\n林宜瑾\n我發現他的效果是蠻好的像我們有一些叫做設計比如像設計人才的這種蹲點的計畫比如一個學生我們他申請合訂以後這當然還蠻嚴格的他比如說他是以服裝時尚為主的真的他選擇地點就是法國巴黎那去一年\n他發現這種回來因為我也好幾次都有機會聽他們分享其實他們得到的成長或真正學到因為見識到世界一流的師資跟學生因為可能就教會在那裡所以這種形態可能跟過往我們說一定以公費的方式幾年取得學位等等的我是覺得有比較多樣化\n李卓人議員\n教育部從2017年推動新南向國家公費留學\n這部分每年都開設10個名額可是報名人數也都是十幾二十人那2022年度甚至只有7個人報名那2023也只有11個人報名所以這兩年的錄取人數其實也只有5個人就是也不到足額那我想當然這個有學生反應是說\n除了疫情的關係以外可能就是說教育部好像也沒有太積極在宣傳就是說這部分可能要更積極宣傳來吸引學生報名當然我想這個可能還有一些教養觀念的問題所以除了就是說後面認為說大家都希望往歐美或東亞\n不曉得部長你怎麼看\n這個確實從比較長時段來看臺灣孩子當時在如果說留學啦或公費留學確實歐美是他們比較燃進去的啦應該可以看得出來但是新南向這些國家啦其實在這些年的我們跟他們的互動我覺得真的其實是跟相較過往是有很大的開展\n雙向互動我們要再加強宣導\n所以說在花30秒就是說關心說之前有發現說新南向產學合作專班的學生來臺違法打工的這個事情那現在教育部在推新型專班很多都擔心說這個會不會有漏洞就是說在發生所謂打黑工的事件那外國學生來臺就學辦法的規定招生事務就是說除了宣傳推廣跟協助學生辦理來臺的相關的必要程序外\n林宜瑾議員\n新南向產西國際專班確實招生初期我們有看到國內的學校真的在這個方面的準備跟心態我覺得是不足的\n那發現了幾個這個嚴重的我們講的真的叫做嚴重的現象教育部是採取非常嚴厲的處置也跟學校非常嚴格的要求後來我們修了幾個包含現在這些辦法都是以那個為基礎那很重要的讓學校知道絕對不得透過仲介人力那這個辦法除了宣誓以外其實是要我們發的學生入學通知適用一定要給當事學生\n學生愛用他的語言 比如來自越南的孩子來自印尼的孩子你給他的入學說明他的科系權利義務是以這個方式所以這個像過去學校見不到更不知道他招的是什麼學生學生也不知道他要到臺灣的什麼學校讀什麼科系這個確實改變\n吳佩奕委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:06.591 --> 00:06.871\n臺灣的文攻武嚇\n\n00:30.820 --> 00:31.861\n林宜瑾教育部長潘文忠列席\n\n00:48.208 --> 00:48.388\n林宜瑾議員\n\n01:04.432 --> 01:32.973\n外國人學習華語的首選這個時候正是時候那所以我們要用最堅強的軟實力替台灣外交增益口氣所以這個時候華語的教學人員就變得相對的重要他成為我們搶到華語教學這個版圖很重要的角色那我們來談到華語教學人員的待遇其實非常的不一致我們先看國內的華語中心很多都是兼任的那三個月一聘\n\n01:33.393 --> 01:33.553\n林宜瑾議員\n\n01:57.268 --> 02:25.645\n收入真的很不穩定好那我們再看外派到海外的這個華語教學人員的待遇好了因為教育部因為每個月有補助一千二到一千九的美元的生活補助再加上當地學校給的薪資所以差不多能符合他們的在當地的這個需求開銷好一點的還可以存到一點錢齁那可是不過補助的期間只有一年為限那一年為原則啦齁那當然有貨到\n\n02:26.926 --> 02:46.558\n如果接到國外學校的續聘者當然可以續約我們也可以延長補助可是那也要獲得學校的續聘那如果說好的就是教學人員如果跟學校談條心的話那學校可能就會再請教育部再聘多聘這個華語教學人員來就好\n\n02:48.318 --> 03:14.771\n通常他們給我們的經驗是這樣所以如果說教學人員要跟當地的學校談條心那基本上幾乎都是沒有的事情所以講難聽一點就是說好像棉洗筷一樣就是用過就丟這樣那上述我剛提的真的就是我們華語教學人員的困境不管是在外國的或者在國內的\n\n03:15.951 --> 03:16.392\n林宜瑾林宜瑾\n\n03:31.491 --> 03:31.631\n林宜瑾議員\n\n03:46.727 --> 03:46.747\n部長．\n\n04:11.274 --> 04:15.198\n謝謝張偉對於華語教育、華語師資的議題的關注我也跟張偉報告確實華語教師尤其是派外到學校去做這方面的教學的資源當然挑戰也會比較大所以剛才張偉所提到的在有關\n\n04:32.978 --> 04:33.178\n中典費很不一致\n\n05:01.254 --> 05:01.334\n林宜瑾議員\n\n05:22.998 --> 05:23.058\n林宜瑾議員\n\n05:45.384 --> 05:47.444\n臺灣推華語教育不會像這個中國的孔子學院因為那個太強烈的引發很多國家的這些反彈因為確實我們在這樣做的過程當中\n\n06:11.009 --> 06:11.109\n李宗盛\n\n06:33.050 --> 06:40.337\n希望未來真的成為所謂的外國人來學習華語的首選台灣是首選再來本席要跟您談談公費留學生的問題我們現在很積極在招攬國際留學生來台灣唸書那台灣有人才的缺口部分我們也希望這些國際生唸完書可以留下來來填補我們人力缺口\n\n06:55.491 --> 06:56.632\n教育部長潘文忠列席\n\n07:16.538 --> 07:40.055\n跟委員報告確實我們在名額上一直在增加那從報名就如委員所說的確實看起來不想過往那麼這個除了我想政策上我們會持續來推那也跟趙委這邊報告因為現在很多學生他未必是用公費留學取得學位\n\n07:40.575 --> 07:40.715\n林宜瑾\n\n08:07.165 --> 08:14.708\n我發現他的效果是蠻好的像我們有一些叫做設計比如像設計人才的這種蹲點的計畫比如一個學生我們他申請合訂以後這當然還蠻嚴格的他比如說他是以服裝時尚為主的真的他選擇地點就是法國巴黎那去一年\n\n08:27.674 --> 08:31.737\n他發現這種回來因為我也好幾次都有機會聽他們分享其實他們得到的成長或真正學到因為見識到世界一流的師資跟學生因為可能就教會在那裡所以這種形態可能跟過往我們說一定以公費的方式幾年取得學位等等的我是覺得有比較多樣化\n\n08:51.553 --> 08:51.673\n李卓人議員\n\n09:10.717 --> 09:11.238\n教育部從2017年推動新南向國家公費留學\n\n09:30.254 --> 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