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00:01:08,989\n那要解決這種緊急狀況尤其是對社會有重大傷害的可能性的時候其實我們都很期待警消能夠趕快到現場把問題解決當然他們權益一定要受到重視的同時也必須要努力去保障他們該有的權益這個應該是社會的共識也是政府要努力去促成的部分\n\n4\n00:01:09,750 --> 00:01:28,452\n中高零就業當然也是我們希望針對可以提高國家競爭力持續來關注這都是一直本席很希望能夠從這邊得到大家的回應大家一起來努力不過我們往下一張發現昨天發生一個事情\n\n5\n00:01:29,373 --> 00:01:49,726\n積聾勤人無怨居。積聾勤人無怨居就是我以前還沒有到國會來工作之前每天上下班的地方。所以這個地方發生的命案對我來講感受特別的深刻。依照目前媒體看到的就是好像有一位來台兩個多月的\n\n6\n00:02:07,034 --> 00:02:23,987\n國民黨黨團擬具:「工會法第四條及第六條條文修正草案案案件中,外籍人士要報案時發生了一些問題和困難,他想要尋求警方協助,可是他把這個訊息傳遞給他在台灣的男友,這個男友是在新竹,他本身\n\n7\n00:02:25,128 --> 00:02:26,628\n委員陳菁徽等18人擬具«工會法第四條及第六條條文修正草案案案件》案。\n\n8\n00:02:44,369 --> 00:02:44,509\n〔民眾擬具〕\n\n9\n00:03:08,362 --> 00:03:26,699\n假設這樣的狀況出現是一個移工的時候又碰到這樣的語言障礙那我們有沒有什麼好的方式來解決這樣的困難警政署這邊有沒有共同可以促成讓這樣的過程不至於再發生的可能性\n\n10\n00:03:27,281 --> 00:03:56,694\n包括委員其實針對這個部分我們跟警政署之間本來就有協助的機制他如果像移工如果他打1955給我們我們就會有專人那個包括英文甚至泰語剛剛像這個是太極老公泰語都我們會有通訊人員來協助那甚至如果是110的話我們還有三方通話的協助機制所以這個應該是有目前是可以有\n\n11\n00:03:57,210 --> 00:04:00,837\n),委員王育敏等21人擬具:「工會法第四條及第六條條文修正草案案。」案。\n\n12\n00:04:06,449 --> 00:04:28,510\n這個案我來跟委員報告這個案是當可能報案報案者他可能顧及他自己的語言怕所以他不是第一時間跟警方報案就剛剛的過程剛剛委員有描述過那其實剛剛證實說我們勞動部講的其實我們警政使跟勞動部平常就有做他們的協商的機制就是一般我們\n\n13\n00:04:30,249 --> 00:04:57,486\n公的諮詢保護專線就是1955,那如果說他第一時間打給1955,1955會通報我們。如果他打給我們,如果說像可能他講地方他們的方言,我們可能引警,因為清除中心不一定會通,那我們可以透過打給1955形成三方通話,其實就可以完成整個瞭解狀況跟報案的程序。所以目前的機制是可以,只是說可能就\n\n14\n00:04:58,446 --> 00:05:15,720\n稱呼委員剛指導的要我們要加強來先導包括移工包括我們的同仁等等能才能夠應用的比較鮮熟以上是所以聽起來機制是有的方法也有的可是就是執行的時候難免會有落差嗎那包括說現場的需不需要同意人員\n\n15\n00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:21,821\n),委員陳菁徽等18人擬具:「工會法第四條及第六條條文修正草案．立法院第四條及第六條條文修正草案．立法院第四條及第六條條文修正草案．立法院第四條及第六條條文修正草案．立法院第四條及第六條條文修正草案．立法院第四條及第六條條文修正草案．\n\n16\n00:06:03,351 --> 00:06:16,169\n除此之外,我希望將來在執行的時候能夠讓它更落實,那對於這些有需要的不管是在台灣外籍移工或者是到台灣來的這些民眾也都能夠得到適當的幫助。好,謝謝。\n\n17\n00:06:19,625 --> 00:06:46,482\n那保障這個警消權益剛剛已經提到了嘛那我們再往下看其實我們也知道這個警消組工會的訴求一直以來都是很關心他們希望得到社會的認同同時也可以去讓他們的這個訴求可以得到更多的重視不過我想主要的核心問題還是權益必須要被政府部門能夠重視而且要提供完整的保障\n\n18\n00:06:47,722 --> 00:07:16,688\n早上已經有很多的委員提過相同的問題,那再請教就是說在落實這個保障方面目前我們政府部門做了哪一些的努力?那個,報告委員,其實那個消防署這邊齁,其實針對警消人員的一些訴求齁,消防人員的訴求,他們其實都有一些計畫齁,早上他其實也有說明,那個可能署長這邊來說比較清楚。是不是請署長上來說明一下。好。\n\n19\n00:07:20,421 --> 00:07:40,516\n委員好感謝委員關心消防事實上消防在這兩年有蠻大的一個進展一個部分就是消防法修正目前新的消防法修正包括治安專章已經報到憲政院5月10號報到憲政院應該最近會報到大院來審查當然對於權責的部分就是法律權責已經處理了\n\n20\n00:07:42,177 --> 00:07:57,771\n對於保職安的部分我們對於消防法專章的處理這個已經列入列進去有10條的條文另外為了讓這個不是光是法律面執行面所以我們提了一個5年的忠誠計劃針對消防局的資源安全\n\n21\n00:07:58,251 --> 00:08:17,676\n當然事業安全絕對不是一觸可及就透過輔導團隊跟限職的消防警員怎麼互動這是我們在努力的地方當然人力的部分也是我們充實的一個努力方向目前特考班我們預計要招收每年一千位專科學生警專學生會四百位讓這個部分來做處理當然裝備器材聽測這個部分我們有23個計畫正在執行當中\n\n22\n00:08:23,357 --> 00:08:23,377\n),委員\n\n23\n00:08:38,760 --> 00:09:00,163\n好謝謝所以我們除了讓他安心以外也要請他們放心政府各個部門尤其主管部門都有努力的在幫他們爭取各種權益的同時也能夠讓他們當初訴求有關於他們的這個放假啦或者是過勞啦或者是相關的這些權益都會得到相關的保障\n\n24\n00:09:29,218 --> 00:09:29,358\n〈一〉國民黨黨團擬具〉\n\n25\n00:09:59,946 --> 00:10:19,406\n瓜委員,我們這個改善擴大缺工的這個就業方案大概執行就是到6月底。6月底執行完畢,我們大概會有一些成效來檢討,也跟跨部會看後續,針對這個缺工的議題要怎麼再來做一些有效的改善。\n\n26\n00:10:20,587 --> 00:10:25,631\n​​國民黨黨團擬具:「工會法第四條及第六條條文修正草案：立法院第四條及第六條條文修正草案：立法院第四條及第六條條文修正草案：立法院第四條及第六條條文修正草案：立法院第四條及第六條條文修正草案：\n\n27\n00:10:50,567 --> 00:10:52,550\n委員陳菁徽等18人擬具〈工會法第四條及第六條條文修正草案案〉案。\n\n28\n00:11:07,790 --> 00:11:18,507\n除此之外,我們也期待勞動部能夠適時提供相關的資訊,讓政策的目的可以達到更好的成果。希望把相關的資料提供給本席做參考。謝謝。\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n13337\t22768\t謝謝主席。有請勞動部許部長。還有請正署陳永利副署長。\n26288\t28810\t國民黨黨團擬具:「工會法第四條及第六條條文修正草案案。」案。\n46081\t68989\t那要解決這種緊急狀況尤其是對社會有重大傷害的可能性的時候其實我們都很期待警消能夠趕快到現場把問題解決當然他們權益一定要受到重視的同時也必須要努力去保障他們該有的權益這個應該是社會的共識也是政府要努力去促成的部分\n69750\t88452\t中高零就業當然也是我們希望針對可以提高國家競爭力持續來關注這都是一直本席很希望能夠從這邊得到大家的回應大家一起來努力不過我們往下一張發現昨天發生一個事情\n89373\t109726\t積聾勤人無怨居。積聾勤人無怨居就是我以前還沒有到國會來工作之前每天上下班的地方。所以這個地方發生的命案對我來講感受特別的深刻。依照目前媒體看到的就是好像有一位來台兩個多月的\n110486\t126954\t〔議員〕\n127034\t143987\t國民黨黨團擬具:「工會法第四條及第六條條文修正草案案 案件中,外籍人士要報案時發生了一些問題和困難,他想要尋求警方協助,可是他把這個訊息傳遞給他在台灣的男友,這個男友是在新竹,他本身\n145128\t146628\t委員陳菁徽等18人擬具 «工會法第四條及第六條條文修正草案案案件 》案。\n164369\t164509\t〔民眾擬具〕\n188362\t206699\t假設這樣的狀況出現是一個移工的時候又碰到這樣的語言障礙那我們有沒有什麼好的方式來解決這樣的困難警政署這邊有沒有共同可以促成讓這樣的過程不至於再發生的可能性\n207281\t236694\t包括委員其實針對這個部分我們跟警政署之間本來就有協助的機制他如果像移工如果他打1955給我們我們就會有專人那個包括英文甚至泰語剛剛像這個是太極老公泰語都我們會有通訊人員來協助那甚至如果是110的話我們還有三方通話的協助機制所以這個應該是有目前是可以有\n237210\t240837\t),委員王育敏等21人擬具:「工會法第四條及第六條條文修正草案案。」案。\n246449\t268510\t這個案我來跟委員報告這個案是當可能報案報案者他可能顧及他自己的語言怕所以他不是第一時間跟警方報案就剛剛的過程剛剛委員有描述過那其實剛剛證實說我們勞動部講的其實我們警政使跟勞動部平常就有做他們的協商的機制就是一般我們\n270249\t297486\t公的諮詢保護專線就是1955,那如果說他第一時間打給1955,1955會通報我們。如果他打給我們,如果說像可能他講地方他們的方言,我們可能引警,因為清除中心不一定會通,那我們可以透過打給1955形成三方通話,其實就可以完成整個瞭解狀況跟報案的程序。所以目前的機制是可以,只是說可能就\n298446\t315720\t稱呼委員剛指導的要我們要加強來先導包括移工包括我們的同仁等等能才能夠應用的比較鮮熟以上是所以聽起來機制是有的方法也有的可是就是執行的時候難免會有落差嗎那包括說現場的需不需要同意人員\n316560\t321821\t),委員陳菁徽等18人擬具:「工會法第四條及第六條條文修正草案．立法院第四條及第六條條文修正草案．立法院第四條及第六條條文修正草案．立法院第四條及第六條條文修正草案．立法院第四條及第六條條文修正草案．立法院第四條及第六條條文修正草案．\n345708\t363251\t), ️ ️\n363351\t376169\t除此之外,我希望將來在執行的時候能夠讓它更落實,那對於這些有需要的不管是在台灣外籍移工或者是到台灣來的這些民眾也都能夠得到適當的幫助。好,謝謝。\n379625\t406482\t那保障這個警消權益剛剛已經提到了嘛那我們再往下看其實我們也知道這個警消組工會的訴求一直以來都是很關心他們希望得到社會的認同同時也可以去讓他們的這個訴求可以得到更多的重視不過我想主要的核心問題還是權益必須要被政府部門能夠重視而且要提供完整的保障\n407722\t436688\t早上已經有很多的委員提過相同的問題,那再請教就是說在落實這個保障方面目前我們政府部門做了哪一些的努力?那個,報告委員,其實那個消防署這邊齁,其實針對警消人員的一些訴求齁,消防人員的訴求,他們其實都有一些計畫齁,早上他其實也有說明,那個可能署長這邊來說比較清楚。是不是請署長上來說明一下。好。\n440421\t460516\t委員好感謝委員關心消防事實上消防在這兩年有蠻大的一個進展一個部分就是消防法修正目前新的消防法修正包括治安專章已經報到憲政院5月10號報到憲政院應該最近會報到大院來審查當然對於權責的部分就是法律權責已經處理了\n462177\t477771\t對於保職安的部分我們對於消防法專章的處理這個已經列入列進去有10條的條文另外為了讓這個不是光是法律面執行面所以我們提了一個5年的忠誠計劃針對消防局的資源安全\n478251\t497676\t當然事業安全絕對不是一觸可及就透過輔導團隊跟限職的消防警員怎麼互動這是我們在努力的地方當然人力的部分也是我們充實的一個努力方向目前特考班我們預計要招收每年一千位專科學生警專學生會四百位讓這個部分來做處理當然裝備器材聽測這個部分我們有23個計畫正在執行當中\n503357\t503377\t), 委員\n518760\t540163\t好 謝謝所以我們除了讓他安心以外也要請他們放心政府各個部門尤其主管部門都有努力的在幫他們爭取各種權益的同時也能夠讓他們當初訴求有關於他們的這個放假啦或者是過勞啦或者是相關的這些權益都會得到相關的保障\n540623\t569138\t獲獲獲獲獲獲獲獲獲獲獲獲獲獲獲獲獲獲獲獲獲獲獲獲獲獲獲獲獲獲獲獲獲獲\n569218\t569358\t〈一〉國民黨黨團擬具〉\n599946\t619406\t瓜委員,我們這個改善擴大缺工的這個就業方案大概執行就是到6月底。6月底執行完畢,我們大概會有一些成效來檢討,也跟跨部會看後續,針對這個缺工的議題要怎麼再來做一些有效的改善。\n620587\t625631\t​​國民黨黨團擬具:「工會法第四條及第六條條文修正草案：立法院第四條及第六條條文修正草案：立法院第四條及第六條條文修正草案：立法院第四條及第六條條文修正草案：立法院第四條及第六條條文修正草案：\n650567\t652550\t委員陳菁徽等18人擬具〈工會法第四條及第六條條文修正草案案〉案。\n667790\t678507\t除此之外,我們也期待勞動部能夠適時提供相關的資訊,讓政策的目的可以達到更好的成果。希望把相關的資料提供給本席做參考。謝謝。\n","txt":"謝謝主席。有請勞動部許部長。還有請正署陳永利副署長。\n國民黨黨團擬具:「工會法第四條及第六條條文修正草案案。」案。\n那要解決這種緊急狀況尤其是對社會有重大傷害的可能性的時候其實我們都很期待警消能夠趕快到現場把問題解決當然他們權益一定要受到重視的同時也必須要努力去保障他們該有的權益這個應該是社會的共識也是政府要努力去促成的部分\n中高零就業當然也是我們希望針對可以提高國家競爭力持續來關注這都是一直本席很希望能夠從這邊得到大家的回應大家一起來努力不過我們往下一張發現昨天發生一個事情\n積聾勤人無怨居。積聾勤人無怨居就是我以前還沒有到國會來工作之前每天上下班的地方。所以這個地方發生的命案對我來講感受特別的深刻。依照目前媒體看到的就是好像有一位來台兩個多月的\n〔議員〕\n國民黨黨團擬具:「工會法第四條及第六條條文修正草案案 案件中,外籍人士要報案時發生了一些問題和困難,他想要尋求警方協助,可是他把這個訊息傳遞給他在台灣的男友,這個男友是在新竹,他本身\n委員陳菁徽等18人擬具 «工會法第四條及第六條條文修正草案案案件 》案。\n〔民眾擬具〕\n假設這樣的狀況出現是一個移工的時候又碰到這樣的語言障礙那我們有沒有什麼好的方式來解決這樣的困難警政署這邊有沒有共同可以促成讓這樣的過程不至於再發生的可能性\n包括委員其實針對這個部分我們跟警政署之間本來就有協助的機制他如果像移工如果他打1955給我們我們就會有專人那個包括英文甚至泰語剛剛像這個是太極老公泰語都我們會有通訊人員來協助那甚至如果是110的話我們還有三方通話的協助機制所以這個應該是有目前是可以有\n),委員王育敏等21人擬具:「工會法第四條及第六條條文修正草案案。」案。\n這個案我來跟委員報告這個案是當可能報案報案者他可能顧及他自己的語言怕所以他不是第一時間跟警方報案就剛剛的過程剛剛委員有描述過那其實剛剛證實說我們勞動部講的其實我們警政使跟勞動部平常就有做他們的協商的機制就是一般我們\n公的諮詢保護專線就是1955,那如果說他第一時間打給1955,1955會通報我們。如果他打給我們,如果說像可能他講地方他們的方言,我們可能引警,因為清除中心不一定會通,那我們可以透過打給1955形成三方通話,其實就可以完成整個瞭解狀況跟報案的程序。所以目前的機制是可以,只是說可能就\n稱呼委員剛指導的要我們要加強來先導包括移工包括我們的同仁等等能才能夠應用的比較鮮熟以上是所以聽起來機制是有的方法也有的可是就是執行的時候難免會有落差嗎那包括說現場的需不需要同意人員\n),委員陳菁徽等18人擬具:「工會法第四條及第六條條文修正草案．立法院第四條及第六條條文修正草案．立法院第四條及第六條條文修正草案．立法院第四條及第六條條文修正草案．立法院第四條及第六條條文修正草案．立法院第四條及第六條條文修正草案．\n), ️ ️\n除此之外,我希望將來在執行的時候能夠讓它更落實,那對於這些有需要的不管是在台灣外籍移工或者是到台灣來的這些民眾也都能夠得到適當的幫助。好,謝謝。\n那保障這個警消權益剛剛已經提到了嘛那我們再往下看其實我們也知道這個警消組工會的訴求一直以來都是很關心他們希望得到社會的認同同時也可以去讓他們的這個訴求可以得到更多的重視不過我想主要的核心問題還是權益必須要被政府部門能夠重視而且要提供完整的保障\n早上已經有很多的委員提過相同的問題,那再請教就是說在落實這個保障方面目前我們政府部門做了哪一些的努力?那個,報告委員,其實那個消防署這邊齁,其實針對警消人員的一些訴求齁,消防人員的訴求,他們其實都有一些計畫齁,早上他其實也有說明,那個可能署長這邊來說比較清楚。是不是請署長上來說明一下。好。\n委員好感謝委員關心消防事實上消防在這兩年有蠻大的一個進展一個部分就是消防法修正目前新的消防法修正包括治安專章已經報到憲政院5月10號報到憲政院應該最近會報到大院來審查當然對於權責的部分就是法律權責已經處理了\n對於保職安的部分我們對於消防法專章的處理這個已經列入列進去有10條的條文另外為了讓這個不是光是法律面執行面所以我們提了一個5年的忠誠計劃針對消防局的資源安全\n當然事業安全絕對不是一觸可及就透過輔導團隊跟限職的消防警員怎麼互動這是我們在努力的地方當然人力的部分也是我們充實的一個努力方向目前特考班我們預計要招收每年一千位專科學生警專學生會四百位讓這個部分來做處理當然裝備器材聽測這個部分我們有23個計畫正在執行當中\n), 委員\n好 謝謝所以我們除了讓他安心以外也要請他們放心政府各個部門尤其主管部門都有努力的在幫他們爭取各種權益的同時也能夠讓他們當初訴求有關於他們的這個放假啦或者是過勞啦或者是相關的這些權益都會得到相關的保障\n獲獲獲獲獲獲獲獲獲獲獲獲獲獲獲獲獲獲獲獲獲獲獲獲獲獲獲獲獲獲獲獲獲獲\n〈一〉國民黨黨團擬具〉\n瓜委員,我們這個改善擴大缺工的這個就業方案大概執行就是到6月底。6月底執行完畢,我們大概會有一些成效來檢討,也跟跨部會看後續,針對這個缺工的議題要怎麼再來做一些有效的改善。\n​​國民黨黨團擬具:「工會法第四條及第六條條文修正草案：立法院第四條及第六條條文修正草案：立法院第四條及第六條條文修正草案：立法院第四條及第六條條文修正草案：立法院第四條及第六條條文修正草案：\n委員陳菁徽等18人擬具〈工會法第四條及第六條條文修正草案案〉案。\n除此之外,我們也期待勞動部能夠適時提供相關的資訊,讓政策的目的可以達到更好的成果。希望把相關的資料提供給本席做參考。謝謝。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:13.337 --> 00:22.768\n謝謝主席。有請勞動部許部長。還有請正署陳永利副署長。\n\n00:26.288 --> 00:28.810\n國民黨黨團擬具:「工會法第四條及第六條條文修正草案案。」案。\n\n00:46.081 --> 01:08.989\n那要解決這種緊急狀況尤其是對社會有重大傷害的可能性的時候其實我們都很期待警消能夠趕快到現場把問題解決當然他們權益一定要受到重視的同時也必須要努力去保障他們該有的權益這個應該是社會的共識也是政府要努力去促成的部分\n\n01:09.750 --> 01:28.452\n中高零就業當然也是我們希望針對可以提高國家競爭力持續來關注這都是一直本席很希望能夠從這邊得到大家的回應大家一起來努力不過我們往下一張發現昨天發生一個事情\n\n01:29.373 --> 01:49.726\n積聾勤人無怨居。積聾勤人無怨居就是我以前還沒有到國會來工作之前每天上下班的地方。所以這個地方發生的命案對我來講感受特別的深刻。依照目前媒體看到的就是好像有一位來台兩個多月的\n\n02:07.034 --> 02:23.987\n國民黨黨團擬具:「工會法第四條及第六條條文修正草案案案件中,外籍人士要報案時發生了一些問題和困難,他想要尋求警方協助,可是他把這個訊息傳遞給他在台灣的男友,這個男友是在新竹,他本身\n\n02:25.128 --> 02:26.628\n委員陳菁徽等18人擬具«工會法第四條及第六條條文修正草案案案件》案。\n\n02:44.369 --> 02:44.509\n〔民眾擬具〕\n\n03:08.362 --> 03:26.699\n假設這樣的狀況出現是一個移工的時候又碰到這樣的語言障礙那我們有沒有什麼好的方式來解決這樣的困難警政署這邊有沒有共同可以促成讓這樣的過程不至於再發生的可能性\n\n03:27.281 --> 03:56.694\n包括委員其實針對這個部分我們跟警政署之間本來就有協助的機制他如果像移工如果他打1955給我們我們就會有專人那個包括英文甚至泰語剛剛像這個是太極老公泰語都我們會有通訊人員來協助那甚至如果是110的話我們還有三方通話的協助機制所以這個應該是有目前是可以有\n\n03:57.210 --> 04:00.837\n),委員王育敏等21人擬具:「工會法第四條及第六條條文修正草案案。」案。\n\n04:06.449 --> 04:28.510\n這個案我來跟委員報告這個案是當可能報案報案者他可能顧及他自己的語言怕所以他不是第一時間跟警方報案就剛剛的過程剛剛委員有描述過那其實剛剛證實說我們勞動部講的其實我們警政使跟勞動部平常就有做他們的協商的機制就是一般我們\n\n04:30.249 --> 04:57.486\n公的諮詢保護專線就是1955,那如果說他第一時間打給1955,1955會通報我們。如果他打給我們,如果說像可能他講地方他們的方言,我們可能引警,因為清除中心不一定會通,那我們可以透過打給1955形成三方通話,其實就可以完成整個瞭解狀況跟報案的程序。所以目前的機制是可以,只是說可能就\n\n04:58.446 --> 05:15.720\n稱呼委員剛指導的要我們要加強來先導包括移工包括我們的同仁等等能才能夠應用的比較鮮熟以上是所以聽起來機制是有的方法也有的可是就是執行的時候難免會有落差嗎那包括說現場的需不需要同意人員\n\n05:16.560 --> 05:21.821\n),委員陳菁徽等18人擬具:「工會法第四條及第六條條文修正草案．立法院第四條及第六條條文修正草案．立法院第四條及第六條條文修正草案．立法院第四條及第六條條文修正草案．立法院第四條及第六條條文修正草案．立法院第四條及第六條條文修正草案．\n\n06:03.351 --> 06:16.169\n除此之外,我希望將來在執行的時候能夠讓它更落實,那對於這些有需要的不管是在台灣外籍移工或者是到台灣來的這些民眾也都能夠得到適當的幫助。好,謝謝。\n\n06:19.625 --> 06:46.482\n那保障這個警消權益剛剛已經提到了嘛那我們再往下看其實我們也知道這個警消組工會的訴求一直以來都是很關心他們希望得到社會的認同同時也可以去讓他們的這個訴求可以得到更多的重視不過我想主要的核心問題還是權益必須要被政府部門能夠重視而且要提供完整的保障\n\n06:47.722 --> 07:16.688\n早上已經有很多的委員提過相同的問題,那再請教就是說在落實這個保障方面目前我們政府部門做了哪一些的努力?那個,報告委員,其實那個消防署這邊齁,其實針對警消人員的一些訴求齁,消防人員的訴求,他們其實都有一些計畫齁,早上他其實也有說明,那個可能署長這邊來說比較清楚。是不是請署長上來說明一下。好。\n\n07:20.421 --> 07:40.516\n委員好感謝委員關心消防事實上消防在這兩年有蠻大的一個進展一個部分就是消防法修正目前新的消防法修正包括治安專章已經報到憲政院5月10號報到憲政院應該最近會報到大院來審查當然對於權責的部分就是法律權責已經處理了\n\n07:42.177 --> 07:57.771\n對於保職安的部分我們對於消防法專章的處理這個已經列入列進去有10條的條文另外為了讓這個不是光是法律面執行面所以我們提了一個5年的忠誠計劃針對消防局的資源安全\n\n07:58.251 --> 08:17.676\n當然事業安全絕對不是一觸可及就透過輔導團隊跟限職的消防警員怎麼互動這是我們在努力的地方當然人力的部分也是我們充實的一個努力方向目前特考班我們預計要招收每年一千位專科學生警專學生會四百位讓這個部分來做處理當然裝備器材聽測這個部分我們有23個計畫正在執行當中\n\n08:23.357 --> 08:23.377\n),委員\n\n08:38.760 --> 09:00.163\n好謝謝所以我們除了讓他安心以外也要請他們放心政府各個部門尤其主管部門都有努力的在幫他們爭取各種權益的同時也能夠讓他們當初訴求有關於他們的這個放假啦或者是過勞啦或者是相關的這些權益都會得到相關的保障\n\n09:29.218 --> 09:29.358\n〈一〉國民黨黨團擬具〉\n\n09:59.946 --> 10:19.406\n瓜委員,我們這個改善擴大缺工的這個就業方案大概執行就是到6月底。6月底執行完畢,我們大概會有一些成效來檢討,也跟跨部會看後續,針對這個缺工的議題要怎麼再來做一些有效的改善。\n\n10:20.587 --> 10:25.631\n​​國民黨黨團擬具:「工會法第四條及第六條條文修正草案：立法院第四條及第六條條文修正草案：立法院第四條及第六條條文修正草案：立法院第四條及第六條條文修正草案：立法院第四條及第六條條文修正草案：\n\n10:50.567 --> 10:52.550\n委員陳菁徽等18人擬具〈工會法第四條及第六條條文修正草案案〉案。\n\n11:07.790 --> 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