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00:01:58,309\n當時這個出版的論文現在我們在什麼地方可以看到點藏在哪裡跟委員報告鄭大本身學校一定圖書館一定保存我們的國圖也都會保存所有相關的出版品而且這一些你只要去越南都可以看到論文的在我們的國家圖書館還有保存\n\n6\n00:02:01,011 --> 00:02:01,752\n請問教育部有沒有對外的公開澄清過?\n\n7\n00:02:17,782 --> 00:02:20,305\n教育部在2019年就是5年前其實網頁上就公開的發布過澄清的資訊了所以我想這其實就是我們公務部門我們其實就是還是富有跟社會隨時\n\n8\n00:02:32,719 --> 00:02:32,739\n吳沛憶\n\n9\n00:02:54,787 --> 00:02:55,047\n請繼續努力\n\n10\n00:03:14,285 --> 00:03:37,210\n好那今天的報告裡面呢很重要的一部分是我們的臺美教育倡議因為我想這是從很早的美國在開始國內美國的這個議員們提出的決議案跨黨派的議員希望政府要來去重視在美國過去中國政府在美國推動的孔子學院\n\n11\n00:03:38,911 --> 00:03:47,162\n出中一開始也是要推動華語教育但是有很多的學校陸續舉報認為孔子學院有侵害學術自由這樣的行為例如說有學校受到壓力必須要去取消達賴喇嘛的演講\n\n12\n00:03:55,914 --> 00:04:00,076\n有些學校邀請來自臺灣的演講者演說必須公開的資訊要移除掉的演講者是來自於臺灣的背景所以美國國內包括他們的國會也開始在討論說如果我們要推廣華語教育也可以來跟臺灣進行合作所以我們從2020年開始有臺美教育的倡議也簽署了很多的備忘錄今年\n\n13\n00:04:21,285 --> 00:04:32,906\n從美國的學生來到臺灣竟協助這個華語的人數也破了3000人是創下史上的新高我們目前簽的這些備忘錄目前推行的成效如何?\n\n14\n00:04:33,715 --> 00:04:37,238\n謝謝委員因為臺美倡議從2020起動後其實是真的非常密集的臺灣跨部會跟美國的延續臺美倡議後光這樣的會議就召開過14次每一次都有很具體的\n\n15\n00:04:52,890 --> 00:04:55,432\n委員提到美國在112年的華語學生已經是創立年的新高已經到了3000位以上那這當中還有跟委員報告是很多\n\n16\n00:05:14,483 --> 00:05:39,625\n推的方式是已經深化到州包含大學這個概念就是以大學對大學的方式去進行這個其實它的產生的深化的效果是過往沒有過往我們會覺得好像都是單點比較片段的那這一些也都是臺美創意之後雙方這樣不斷不斷的進行那之後如果以華語教育推廣\n\n17\n00:05:40,626 --> 00:05:40,646\n吳沛憶\n\n18\n00:05:55,845 --> 00:06:07,074\n英語的教學人員來到臺灣協助我們進行英語的教育也跟我們的中小學來進行合作所以說美國有一個ETL美籍英語協同教學助理計畫每年都有人員來臺灣協助教學目前台灣是不是美國投入最高程度的國家之一呢\n\n19\n00:06:17,302 --> 00:06:20,444\n是目前確實如此剛才委員提到華語這是一個重點那臺灣這段時間所推動國家雙語政策當中其實相當多的外師包含教學助理就是剛才委員提到的這部分其實也是透過這樣的平台他們來做這方面的\n\n20\n00:06:38,235 --> 00:06:41,096\n在AIT的臺美教育倡議事實清單裡面去年透過ETA計畫來臺灣的有152名的美國學生但是從臺灣我們透過優華語計畫送到美國去從事華語教學的我看一下人數\n\n21\n00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:16,845\n我們的教師是39名那我們的教學助理是5名也有一些是透過其他計畫選送去美國但是這個數字比起來因為這其實是互惠計畫嘛我們也要選送人員到美國去推行華語教育我認為我們這個人數還可以再努力的來增加我們在這個選訓我們的華語師資的時候遇到什麼樣的困難嗎是補助的問題還是說意願其實不高有沒有遇到什麼樣的困難\n\n22\n00:07:34,113 --> 00:07:54,541\n跟委員報告,確實在以目前這樣的擴展,如果以跟美國合作為例,跟以往的這個需求,我講需求就是因為大家很願意往這個方向走,那對於華語師資的,包含剛才林錦昭委也特別提到一些待遇跟相關聘任等等的做法,\n\n23\n00:07:54,821 --> 00:08:00,143\n我覺得教育部是應該有再做一個檢視因為等於說現在機構在美國這邊所設置的或其他國家所設置的更穩定那這種情況之下未來在需求上可以看得出來會越來越擴增但是對於人員這方面的一些生活協助或我們說對於一些精緻待遇等等的\n\n24\n00:08:21,893 --> 00:08:34,737\n臺灣是做協助的這部分當地學校會給這位老師薪資我想在協助的這部分我覺得是國家可以再多更大的力道是我認為華語教學會是我們臺灣未來我們非常強的優勢隨著臺灣的外交的關係世界上很多國家都開始重視臺灣也有學習華語的需求所以我們這幾年的優華語計畫我覺得我們應該進行一個盤正\n\n25\n00:08:49,462 --> 00:08:54,265\n因為有外交部有教育部也有僑委會嘛對不對優華語計畫事實上我們不只是要跟美國合作我們是美歐紐澳我們都有相關的計畫在推行但是我看一下我目前的成果以校際合作來說總共合作的美歐紐澳是68所學校對不對但是你裡面你有八成56所都是在美國其他的英國六所法國一所捷克波蘭\n\n26\n00:09:16,901 --> 00:09:33,188\n紐澳各一所因為我也是立法院歐洲議會友好促進會的會長其實歐洲的國家尤其是歐洲議會今年訪團來好幾團他們都告訴我們說歐洲在近5年對於臺灣的重視是提升了非常之多\n\n27\n00:09:34,068 --> 00:09:45,057\n包括了歐洲的國會議員都時常在他們自己國會裡面去提出要促進跟臺灣不管是經濟教育相關交流的議案所以我認為我們要去加強相關的推動目前為止你這個計畫優華語計畫一年的預算1.41億\n\n28\n00:09:53,697 --> 00:09:58,442\n跟歐洲國家的交流合作我剛講的校際合作是不到兩成我覺得這個數字絕對要再來提升加強那包括了我們選送華語教學人員到海外任教教師45名裡面八成以上也都是到美國任教其他英國有三位法國一位波蘭捷克各一位\n\n29\n00:10:13,836 --> 00:10:15,097\n這個數字我覺得都要來努力提升\n\n30\n00:10:29,723 --> 00:10:54,635\n委員提到我們在美國這邊人數有突破3000那其實整體來自全球到臺灣學華語的總人數已經到了36000最新的統計顯然在這方面我們是有被各地各國所喜歡所以在這方面謝謝委員剛才的指教我想在優華語計畫的基礎上我們可能還會再拓展其他的這些\n\n31\n00:10:55,916 --> 00:10:55,936\n吳沛憶\n\n32\n00:11:09,716 --> 00:11:15,980\n是那最後呢部長你是中華民國史上任期最長的部長小英總統任期8年你就擔任部長7年多的時間但更重要的是任內推動了幾項我認為是很重要的基礎教育的修法我們有偏鄉教育條例實驗三法特教法性便教育平等法等重要法案更加重要的也是我們108年課綱的推動你可能是第一個\n\n33\n00:11:35,791 --> 00:11:38,572\n108課綱是一個很龐雜的那也是把過去我們比較片段就是說國中小是一個課綱技術高中是一個課綱高中是一個課綱那橫向之間\n\n34\n00:12:02,717 --> 00:12:02,737\n吳沛憶議員\n\n35\n00:12:32,159 --> 00:12:36,040\n主要的目的也是希望在課綱發展完成之後的推行那才是挑戰之所在所以我也花很多時間跟學生聽他們在這一方面的一些心得在做一些滾動的修正我想下一波的課綱也應該以這樣的基礎一定會讓臺灣在課程發展上更好\n\n36\n00:13:00,208 --> 00:13:00,228\n謝謝委員謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n4498\t7239\t謝謝主席 我請潘文忠部長 欸 潘部長委員好部長好 剛剛我坐在台下聽前面的委員質詢其中葉元之委員質詢 他來詢問教育部說蔡英文總統當年在政大副教授升等的論文為什麼要加密 為什麼不能看 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目前確實如此剛才委員提到華語這是一個重點那臺灣這段時間所推動國家雙語政策當中其實相當多的外師包含教學助理就是剛才委員提到的這部分其實也是透過這樣的平台他們來做這方面的\n398235\t401096\t在AIT的臺美教育倡議事實清單裡面去年透過ETA計畫來臺灣的有152名的美國學生但是從臺灣我們透過優華語計畫送到美國去從事華語教學的我看一下人數\n426400\t436845\t我們的教師是39名那我們的教學助理是5名也有一些是透過其他計畫選送去美國但是這個數字比起來因為這其實是互惠計畫嘛我們也要選送人員到美國去推行華語教育我認為我們這個人數還可以再努力的來增加我們在這個選訓我們的華語師資的時候遇到什麼樣的困難嗎是補助的問題還是說意願其實不高有沒有遇到什麼樣的困難\n454113\t474541\t跟委員報告,確實在以目前這樣的擴展,如果以跟美國合作為例,跟以往的這個需求,我講需求就是因為大家很願意往這個方向走,那對於華語師資的,包含剛才林錦昭委也特別提到一些待遇跟相關聘任等等的做法,\n474821\t480143\t我覺得教育部是應該有再做一個檢視因為等於說現在機構在美國這邊所設置的或其他國家所設置的更穩定那這種情況之下未來在需求上可以看得出來會越來越擴增但是對於人員這方面的一些生活協助或我們說對於一些精緻待遇等等的\n501893\t514737\t臺灣是做協助的這部分當地學校會給這位老師薪資我想在協助的這部分我覺得是國家可以再多更大的力道是 我認為華語教學會是我們臺灣未來我們非常強的優勢隨著臺灣的外交的關係世界上很多國家都開始重視臺灣也有學習華語的需求所以我們這幾年的優華語計畫我覺得我們應該進行一個盤正\n529462\t534265\t因為有外交部有教育部也有僑委會嘛對不對優華語計畫事實上我們不只是要跟美國合作我們是美歐紐澳我們都有相關的計畫在推行但是我看一下我目前的成果以校際合作來說總共合作的美歐紐澳是68所學校對不對但是你裡面你有八成56所都是在美國其他的英國六所法國一所捷克波蘭\n556901\t573188\t紐澳各一所 因為我也是立法院歐洲議會友好促進會的會長其實歐洲的國家尤其是歐洲議會今年訪團來好幾團他們都告訴我們說歐洲在近5年對於臺灣的重視是提升了非常之多\n574068\t585057\t包括了歐洲的國會議員都時常在他們自己國會裡面去提出要促進跟臺灣不管是經濟教育相關交流的議案所以我認為我們要去加強相關的推動目前為止你這個計畫優華語計畫一年的預算1.41億\n593697\t598442\t跟歐洲國家的交流合作我剛講的校際合作是不到兩成我覺得這個數字絕對要再來提升加強那包括了我們選送華語教學人員到海外任教教師45名裡面八成以上也都是到美國任教其他英國有三位法國一位波蘭捷克各一位\n613836\t615097\t這個數字我覺得都要來努力提升\n629723\t654635\t委員提到我們在美國這邊人數有突破3000那其實整體來自全球到臺灣學華語的總人數已經到了36000最新的統計顯然在這方面我們是有被各地各國所喜歡所以在這方面謝謝委員剛才的指教我想在優華語計畫的基礎上我們可能還會再拓展其他的這些\n655916\t655936\t吳沛憶\n669716\t675980\t是那最後呢部長你是中華民國史上任期最長的部長小英總統任期8年你就擔任部長7年多的時間但更重要的是任內推動了幾項我認為是很重要的基礎教育的修法我們有偏鄉教育條例實驗三法特教法性便教育平等法等重要法案更加重要的也是我們108年課綱的推動你可能是第一個\n695791\t698572\t108課綱是一個很龐雜的那也是把過去我們比較片段就是說國中小是一個課綱技術高中是一個課綱高中是一個課綱那橫向之間\n722717\t722737\t吳沛憶議員\n752159\t756040\t主要的目的也是希望在課綱發展完成之後的推行那才是挑戰之所在所以我也花很多時間跟學生聽他們在這一方面的一些心得在做一些滾動的修正我想下一波的課綱也應該以這樣的基礎一定會讓臺灣在課程發展上更好\n780208\t780228\t謝謝委員 謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝主席 我請潘文忠部長 欸 潘部長委員好部長好 剛剛我坐在台下聽前面的委員質詢其中葉元之委員質詢 他來詢問教育部說蔡英文總統當年在政大副教授升等的論文為什麼要加密 為什麼不能看 為什麼不見\n我認為這個很可能涉及到立法委員在立法院裡面公然的造謠所以我認為事實的釐清相當的重要我想請問蔡英文總統當年在政大副教授升等的這個論文有加密嗎\n這個當年的論文是叫做期刊論文對吧?發表在哪裡?發表在政大的法學評論這個問題我覺得非常的可笑因為任何對學術有一點基本常識的人都知道\n論文這個叫做發表就是公開出版已經出版的文件和來加密就出版了嘛再來這兩篇論文一篇是國際貿易中國內市場之保護另外一篇是國際貿易法術原則在經濟結構轉型及蕭條及之運用及演變這個論文出版的年份是民國72年\n當時這個出版的論文現在我們在什麼地方可以看到點藏在哪裡跟委員報告鄭大本身學校一定圖書館一定保存我們的國圖也都會保存所有相關的出版品而且這一些你只要去越南都可以看到論文的在我們的國家圖書館還有保存\n請問教育部有沒有對外的公開澄清過?\n教育部在2019年就是5年前其實網頁上就公開的發布過澄清的資訊了所以我想這其實就是我們公務部門我們其實就是還是富有跟社會隨時\n吳沛憶\n請繼續努力\n好那今天的報告裡面呢很重要的一部分是我們的臺美教育倡議因為我想這是從很早的美國在開始國內美國的這個議員們提出的決議案跨黨派的議員希望政府要來去重視在美國過去中國政府在美國推動的孔子學院\n出中一開始也是要推動華語教育但是有很多的學校陸續舉報認為孔子學院有侵害學術自由這樣的行為例如說有學校受到壓力必須要去取消達賴喇嘛的演講\n有些學校邀請來自臺灣的演講者演說必須公開的資訊要移除掉的演講者是來自於臺灣的背景所以美國國內包括他們的國會也開始在討論說如果我們要推廣華語教育也可以來跟臺灣進行合作所以我們從2020年開始有臺美教育的倡議也簽署了很多的備忘錄今年\n從美國的學生來到臺灣竟協助這個華語的人數也破了3000人是創下史上的新高我們目前簽的這些備忘錄目前推行的成效如何?\n謝謝委員因為臺美倡議從2020起動後其實是真的非常密集的臺灣跨部會跟美國的延續臺美倡議後光這樣的會議就召開過14次每一次都有很具體的\n委員提到美國在112年的華語學生已經是創立年的新高已經到了3000位以上那這當中還有跟委員報告是很多\n推的方式是已經深化到州包含大學這個概念就是以大學對大學的方式去進行這個其實它的產生的深化的效果是過往沒有過往我們會覺得好像都是單點比較片段的那這一些也都是臺美創意之後雙方這樣不斷不斷的進行那之後如果以華語教育推廣\n吳沛憶\n英語的教學人員來到臺灣協助我們進行英語的教育也跟我們的中小學來進行合作所以說美國有一個ETL美籍英語協同教學助理計畫每年都有人員來臺灣協助教學目前台灣是不是美國投入最高程度的國家之一呢\n是 目前確實如此剛才委員提到華語這是一個重點那臺灣這段時間所推動國家雙語政策當中其實相當多的外師包含教學助理就是剛才委員提到的這部分其實也是透過這樣的平台他們來做這方面的\n在AIT的臺美教育倡議事實清單裡面去年透過ETA計畫來臺灣的有152名的美國學生但是從臺灣我們透過優華語計畫送到美國去從事華語教學的我看一下人數\n我們的教師是39名那我們的教學助理是5名也有一些是透過其他計畫選送去美國但是這個數字比起來因為這其實是互惠計畫嘛我們也要選送人員到美國去推行華語教育我認為我們這個人數還可以再努力的來增加我們在這個選訓我們的華語師資的時候遇到什麼樣的困難嗎是補助的問題還是說意願其實不高有沒有遇到什麼樣的困難\n跟委員報告,確實在以目前這樣的擴展,如果以跟美國合作為例,跟以往的這個需求,我講需求就是因為大家很願意往這個方向走,那對於華語師資的,包含剛才林錦昭委也特別提到一些待遇跟相關聘任等等的做法,\n我覺得教育部是應該有再做一個檢視因為等於說現在機構在美國這邊所設置的或其他國家所設置的更穩定那這種情況之下未來在需求上可以看得出來會越來越擴增但是對於人員這方面的一些生活協助或我們說對於一些精緻待遇等等的\n臺灣是做協助的這部分當地學校會給這位老師薪資我想在協助的這部分我覺得是國家可以再多更大的力道是 我認為華語教學會是我們臺灣未來我們非常強的優勢隨著臺灣的外交的關係世界上很多國家都開始重視臺灣也有學習華語的需求所以我們這幾年的優華語計畫我覺得我們應該進行一個盤正\n因為有外交部有教育部也有僑委會嘛對不對優華語計畫事實上我們不只是要跟美國合作我們是美歐紐澳我們都有相關的計畫在推行但是我看一下我目前的成果以校際合作來說總共合作的美歐紐澳是68所學校對不對但是你裡面你有八成56所都是在美國其他的英國六所法國一所捷克波蘭\n紐澳各一所 因為我也是立法院歐洲議會友好促進會的會長其實歐洲的國家尤其是歐洲議會今年訪團來好幾團他們都告訴我們說歐洲在近5年對於臺灣的重視是提升了非常之多\n包括了歐洲的國會議員都時常在他們自己國會裡面去提出要促進跟臺灣不管是經濟教育相關交流的議案所以我認為我們要去加強相關的推動目前為止你這個計畫優華語計畫一年的預算1.41億\n跟歐洲國家的交流合作我剛講的校際合作是不到兩成我覺得這個數字絕對要再來提升加強那包括了我們選送華語教學人員到海外任教教師45名裡面八成以上也都是到美國任教其他英國有三位法國一位波蘭捷克各一位\n這個數字我覺得都要來努力提升\n委員提到我們在美國這邊人數有突破3000那其實整體來自全球到臺灣學華語的總人數已經到了36000最新的統計顯然在這方面我們是有被各地各國所喜歡所以在這方面謝謝委員剛才的指教我想在優華語計畫的基礎上我們可能還會再拓展其他的這些\n吳沛憶\n是那最後呢部長你是中華民國史上任期最長的部長小英總統任期8年你就擔任部長7年多的時間但更重要的是任內推動了幾項我認為是很重要的基礎教育的修法我們有偏鄉教育條例實驗三法特教法性便教育平等法等重要法案更加重要的也是我們108年課綱的推動你可能是第一個\n108課綱是一個很龐雜的那也是把過去我們比較片段就是說國中小是一個課綱技術高中是一個課綱高中是一個課綱那橫向之間\n吳沛憶議員\n主要的目的也是希望在課綱發展完成之後的推行那才是挑戰之所在所以我也花很多時間跟學生聽他們在這一方面的一些心得在做一些滾動的修正我想下一波的課綱也應該以這樣的基礎一定會讓臺灣在課程發展上更好\n謝謝委員 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.498 --> 00:07.239\n謝謝主席我請潘文忠部長欸潘部長委員好部長好剛剛我坐在台下聽前面的委員質詢其中葉元之委員質詢他來詢問教育部說蔡英文總統當年在政大副教授升等的論文為什麼要加密為什麼不能看為什麼不見\n\n00:31.445 --> 00:38.351\n我認為這個很可能涉及到立法委員在立法院裡面公然的造謠所以我認為事實的釐清相當的重要我想請問蔡英文總統當年在政大副教授升等的這個論文有加密嗎\n\n00:48.027 --> 00:51.369\n這個當年的論文是叫做期刊論文對吧?發表在哪裡?發表在政大的法學評論這個問題我覺得非常的可笑因為任何對學術有一點基本常識的人都知道\n\n01:08.266 --> 01:31.637\n論文這個叫做發表就是公開出版已經出版的文件和來加密就出版了嘛再來這兩篇論文一篇是國際貿易中國內市場之保護另外一篇是國際貿易法術原則在經濟結構轉型及蕭條及之運用及演變這個論文出版的年份是民國72年\n\n01:36.828 --> 01:58.309\n當時這個出版的論文現在我們在什麼地方可以看到點藏在哪裡跟委員報告鄭大本身學校一定圖書館一定保存我們的國圖也都會保存所有相關的出版品而且這一些你只要去越南都可以看到論文的在我們的國家圖書館還有保存\n\n02:01.011 --> 02:01.752\n請問教育部有沒有對外的公開澄清過?\n\n02:17.782 --> 02:20.305\n教育部在2019年就是5年前其實網頁上就公開的發布過澄清的資訊了所以我想這其實就是我們公務部門我們其實就是還是富有跟社會隨時\n\n02:32.719 --> 02:32.739\n吳沛憶\n\n02:54.787 --> 02:55.047\n請繼續努力\n\n03:14.285 --> 03:37.210\n好那今天的報告裡面呢很重要的一部分是我們的臺美教育倡議因為我想這是從很早的美國在開始國內美國的這個議員們提出的決議案跨黨派的議員希望政府要來去重視在美國過去中國政府在美國推動的孔子學院\n\n03:38.911 --> 03:47.162\n出中一開始也是要推動華語教育但是有很多的學校陸續舉報認為孔子學院有侵害學術自由這樣的行為例如說有學校受到壓力必須要去取消達賴喇嘛的演講\n\n03:55.914 --> 04:00.076\n有些學校邀請來自臺灣的演講者演說必須公開的資訊要移除掉的演講者是來自於臺灣的背景所以美國國內包括他們的國會也開始在討論說如果我們要推廣華語教育也可以來跟臺灣進行合作所以我們從2020年開始有臺美教育的倡議也簽署了很多的備忘錄今年\n\n04:21.285 --> 04:32.906\n從美國的學生來到臺灣竟協助這個華語的人數也破了3000人是創下史上的新高我們目前簽的這些備忘錄目前推行的成效如何?\n\n04:33.715 --> 04:37.238\n謝謝委員因為臺美倡議從2020起動後其實是真的非常密集的臺灣跨部會跟美國的延續臺美倡議後光這樣的會議就召開過14次每一次都有很具體的\n\n04:52.890 --> 04:55.432\n委員提到美國在112年的華語學生已經是創立年的新高已經到了3000位以上那這當中還有跟委員報告是很多\n\n05:14.483 --> 05:39.625\n推的方式是已經深化到州包含大學這個概念就是以大學對大學的方式去進行這個其實它的產生的深化的效果是過往沒有過往我們會覺得好像都是單點比較片段的那這一些也都是臺美創意之後雙方這樣不斷不斷的進行那之後如果以華語教育推廣\n\n05:40.626 --> 05:40.646\n吳沛憶\n\n05:55.845 --> 06:07.074\n英語的教學人員來到臺灣協助我們進行英語的教育也跟我們的中小學來進行合作所以說美國有一個ETL美籍英語協同教學助理計畫每年都有人員來臺灣協助教學目前台灣是不是美國投入最高程度的國家之一呢\n\n06:17.302 --> 06:20.444\n是目前確實如此剛才委員提到華語這是一個重點那臺灣這段時間所推動國家雙語政策當中其實相當多的外師包含教學助理就是剛才委員提到的這部分其實也是透過這樣的平台他們來做這方面的\n\n06:38.235 --> 06:41.096\n在AIT的臺美教育倡議事實清單裡面去年透過ETA計畫來臺灣的有152名的美國學生但是從臺灣我們透過優華語計畫送到美國去從事華語教學的我看一下人數\n\n07:06.400 --> 07:16.845\n我們的教師是39名那我們的教學助理是5名也有一些是透過其他計畫選送去美國但是這個數字比起來因為這其實是互惠計畫嘛我們也要選送人員到美國去推行華語教育我認為我們這個人數還可以再努力的來增加我們在這個選訓我們的華語師資的時候遇到什麼樣的困難嗎是補助的問題還是說意願其實不高有沒有遇到什麼樣的困難\n\n07:34.113 --> 07:54.541\n跟委員報告,確實在以目前這樣的擴展,如果以跟美國合作為例,跟以往的這個需求,我講需求就是因為大家很願意往這個方向走,那對於華語師資的,包含剛才林錦昭委也特別提到一些待遇跟相關聘任等等的做法,\n\n07:54.821 --> 08:00.143\n我覺得教育部是應該有再做一個檢視因為等於說現在機構在美國這邊所設置的或其他國家所設置的更穩定那這種情況之下未來在需求上可以看得出來會越來越擴增但是對於人員這方面的一些生活協助或我們說對於一些精緻待遇等等的\n\n08:21.893 --> 08:34.737\n臺灣是做協助的這部分當地學校會給這位老師薪資我想在協助的這部分我覺得是國家可以再多更大的力道是我認為華語教學會是我們臺灣未來我們非常強的優勢隨著臺灣的外交的關係世界上很多國家都開始重視臺灣也有學習華語的需求所以我們這幾年的優華語計畫我覺得我們應該進行一個盤正\n\n08:49.462 --> 08:54.265\n因為有外交部有教育部也有僑委會嘛對不對優華語計畫事實上我們不只是要跟美國合作我們是美歐紐澳我們都有相關的計畫在推行但是我看一下我目前的成果以校際合作來說總共合作的美歐紐澳是68所學校對不對但是你裡面你有八成56所都是在美國其他的英國六所法國一所捷克波蘭\n\n09:16.901 --> 09:33.188\n紐澳各一所因為我也是立法院歐洲議會友好促進會的會長其實歐洲的國家尤其是歐洲議會今年訪團來好幾團他們都告訴我們說歐洲在近5年對於臺灣的重視是提升了非常之多\n\n09:34.068 --> 09:45.057\n包括了歐洲的國會議員都時常在他們自己國會裡面去提出要促進跟臺灣不管是經濟教育相關交流的議案所以我認為我們要去加強相關的推動目前為止你這個計畫優華語計畫一年的預算1.41億\n\n09:53.697 --> 09:58.442\n跟歐洲國家的交流合作我剛講的校際合作是不到兩成我覺得這個數字絕對要再來提升加強那包括了我們選送華語教學人員到海外任教教師45名裡面八成以上也都是到美國任教其他英國有三位法國一位波蘭捷克各一位\n\n10:13.836 --> 10:15.097\n這個數字我覺得都要來努力提升\n\n10:29.723 --> 10:54.635\n委員提到我們在美國這邊人數有突破3000那其實整體來自全球到臺灣學華語的總人數已經到了36000最新的統計顯然在這方面我們是有被各地各國所喜歡所以在這方面謝謝委員剛才的指教我想在優華語計畫的基礎上我們可能還會再拓展其他的這些\n\n10:55.916 --> 10:55.936\n吳沛憶\n\n11:09.716 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