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00:03:12,695\n施肖要不要是要繼續就讓他這樣子結束細節我其實已經提了一些那未來還會再提那究竟他們要怎麼辦我們不知道怎麼辦我們沒有任何的預設立場那你要他往哪個方向去你總要告訴他們那怎麼走或者是能怎麼走好那再來呢是這兩年我們不管這個政策上是不是有什麼問題啦那感覺上很多量化的數字\n\n10\n00:03:13,655 --> 00:03:40,167\n好像很美可是看起來我們也不知道接下去裡面的質量是如何剛才麥委員所講的東西本席在教學的第一線現場甚至在教育部裡面有記錄我就已經有經歷過很多的問題那上次次長又被我講了一圈我告訴他在這個國際生現場會碰到什麼樣的問題那你們男相事實上要注意到這些國家其實每一個國家的差異性非常的高\n\n11\n00:03:41,267 --> 00:04:10,135\n那待會我當然再講一些細項不過在這邊我先提出一個最基本的一個建議啦最近許多的教團很期待我們應該舉辦一個全國的教育會議這個部分本席絕對呼應因為從2010年召開之後現在很久了捏雖然我們召委說教育是至少10年然後我們也知道百年的一個百年的一個時間但是14年沒有檢討你不覺得我們在現場\n\n12\n00:04:11,155 --> 00:04:25,088\n我相信行政、教學等等都會有很大的問題所以因應社會的變遷跟這幾年的狀況跟問題我們是不是應該好好地檢討一下在各個層級所以我呼應正式舉辦全國教育會議來處理這件事情\n\n13\n00:04:27,210 --> 00:04:27,450\n大學推動國際招生並流用\n\n14\n00:04:46,078 --> 00:05:10,427\n但是基本上本席認為這就是2013年雙語計畫所延伸出來的子計畫早上有委員提醒你們哪雙語那本席做一個原住民我也可不可以建議那原住民裡面就地區那這個雙語可不可以那個華語如果是大家現在都會講的那其他一個語言也可以選擇原住民的其中一個語言要不然我們原住民的孩子呢可能有的時候都要學三到四種\n\n15\n00:05:12,388 --> 00:05:17,330\n阿美族的也要學到泰雅族的因為失智的關係還有一些失智經費的不平等的問題還要學英語還要學自己的母語我們的負擔也很重我簡單提一下因為本人對語言很有興趣接觸的也很多也實地參與我可以提很細的建議但是我們今天不在這邊講細的東西\n\n16\n00:05:37,421 --> 00:05:43,485\n那所以呢我們談到這個很短的這個時間就連許多現在雙語成就很好的國家他也花了比我們這樣預定的時間還長的時間而且基礎我們要來談論好究竟這樣子我們就會國家富強還是我們究竟要幹什麼不是丟一個東西下來讓我們都全盤接受結果搞得很多人在這麼限制的時間內沒有辦法就是你增加很多人負擔而且效益是不髒的\n\n17\n00:06:10,526 --> 00:06:26,844\n這張牌子又出來了,如果這個問題沒解決,絕對是幾年來都一定會繼續本席會一直念一直念,那請原諒本席,我也不喜歡一天到晚聽到某一些標語一直在那邊念啊念啊喊著喊著\n\n18\n00:06:27,665 --> 00:06:37,832\n但是當然截至目前為止都沒有解決更何況今天是這個國際生的問題那我這邊要喊就是未來我們在2030年也要留用6萬多個人那你們有跟我們現在在在學的學生的狀況跟未來他們在職場的狀況還有未來你這些外籍生對整個人口結構還有學生部分的就業就學的衝擊嗎那這個部分\n\n19\n00:06:54,884 --> 00:06:56,225\n可不可以給我們原住民一個機會有學習到你們所謂的STEM我還要再念一次嗎\n\n20\n00:07:16,917 --> 00:07:43,175\nScience,Technology,Engineering,Mathematics然後你們講的金融半導體Finance跟Semiconductor可不可以給我們一個機會不要把我們一直鎖在某一些原住民所謂相關的不管在原住民專班或產技2.0本席也比較過了謝謝會裡面有提供這個資訊不過會裡面跟我們說某些東西是機密結果有的我們也在網路上查到怎麼辦你們機密不小心露出來了那你們要小心喔\n\n21\n00:07:44,196 --> 00:07:44,516\n請各位有責任：把民眾的問題聽懂：\n\n22\n00:08:14,356 --> 00:08:25,090\n他不會管我們什麼南向政策下面的這些配套那重點就是我很簡單的講就是每個月臺灣學生能夠拿到的資源跟補助\n\n23\n00:08:26,837 --> 00:08:31,239\n本席本來只幫原住民爭取現在所有你們認為非國際生的人台灣的學生本席都要爭取\n\n24\n00:08:55,972 --> 00:08:58,855\n接下來,臺灣優華語計畫的失之不足,我先請教一下,我先問一下,我們現在認證考試是什麼樣子的狀況?就是,華語的認證考試,\n\n25\n00:09:13,918 --> 00:09:35,972\n可以回應我一下我們懷疑認證考試的狀況嗎剛才委員提一個可能要跟委員補充說明一下我們的教育不過那個部長不好意思提說明會有點久不要說明一下台灣的教育資源絕對大比例都是投資在我們自己國內的學生當然一定要啦因為我們的元素比例這個數據各位再算一下我們再來彼此的對一下啦謝謝部長還要幫未來的同仁們\n\n26\n00:09:40,635 --> 00:09:40,675\n林倩綺議員\n\n27\n00:10:10,384 --> 00:10:10,444\n林倩綺議員\n\n28\n00:10:28,695 --> 00:10:29,596\n邀請教育部部長潘文忠列席就:「大學推動國際招生及臺灣優華語計畫之執行成效及檢討。：林倩綺\n\n29\n00:10:55,078 --> 00:11:08,680\n我直接這樣講好了本人在學法語、西班牙語、其他的語言那他都有テレ、グノ、オテレ、ア、ド那請問我們的華語計畫是什麼我想了解一下我們的那個\n\n30\n00:11:09,691 --> 00:11:28,732\n有華語能力測驗檢測也有分級所以我們在各國都實行這個計畫嘛對不對是啊因為如果他當事人希望大家要考過什麼東西那個詳細的資料再給委員阿名字是什麼我想那個主辦單位應該知道吧我都唸得出來叫TELEATELEUNO你們應該唸得出來吧\n\n31\n00:11:31,916 --> 00:11:45,416\n對外華語的能力測驗叫華語文能力測驗我聽不太懂你是外國人聽得懂嗎這樣英文簡稱TALK4我聽不太懂你那個簡稱那個詳細的資料給委員參考比較好那另外呢你說這個\n\n32\n00:11:46,257 --> 00:12:10,012\n阿這樣好了齁時間也有點那個窘迫那我這邊齁最後提一下剛才我也呼應那個葛委員這邊所講的齁他剛才給你那個Verygladtoseeyou那這邊應該是Encantadaqueestesaquí齁那現在他講的這個AI很多東西都可以實踐是不是可以好好的研究一下他所講的東西因為本席有很深的語言學習經驗沒這個環境\n\n33\n00:12:11,693 --> 00:12:11,813\n主席\n\n34\n00:12:30,397 --> 00:12:49,338\n對,好,2023年4月公共政策網路平台全國教總的提議請我們好好檢討這個雙語,包括早上有一些委員講了什麼雙語我們當然知道大家在推行的是什麼回歸教育的正軌,那本人第一線真的遇到很多困難好,那再來你們國發會的回應讓人家不知所措好,接下來最後\n\n35\n00:12:50,796 --> 00:13:07,732\n如果有一些政策真的要煞車不要一意孤行按下暫停鍵讓我們都有機會喘氣好嗎那本人是第一線很認真的想要做好這件事情可是如果連我有時候都很無力的不知道能夠怎麼下去那\n\n36\n00:13:09,206 --> 00:13:09,286\n好謝謝兩位\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n18078\t18478\t潘文忠列席\n29171\t47810\t委員好潘部長好我們知道今天應該是您在519之前最後一次來所以本席今天大概在進入主題之前有一些感觸跟心情要跟您分享一下當然也跟部裡面藉這個機會也做一個溝通當然我們知道您在2016接了這個部長\n52875\t52895\t謝謝委員 謝謝\n73865\t74345\t主席\n91371\t95616\t以後所碰到的一些狀況跟建議我就發現在每一項的主題問答我們這邊都會碰到有關於組織或是法案專案或者是計畫預算等等\n106368\t129343\t那麼過去的詢答呢就很多包括那個各部會的這個相關的組織的調整或者是計畫的施行那我這邊整理了一下發現截至目前為止都不太長那這些相關的我剛才講的這些主題不僅時間不太長以外還有一個很重要的我覺得應該做的事情就是\n130538\t130698\t主題：林倩綺\n147529\t165547\t在進行下去的部分好像大家都沒有時間再好好的做整理所以我在這邊呼應幾件很嚴重的也是我主題所講的就是在私校退場條例到今天我也提過很多次看起來就只有清算、停辦、接管接下來我們大家不知道何去何從\n168249\t192695\t施肖要不要是要繼續就讓他這樣子結束細節我其實已經提了一些那未來還會再提那究竟他們要怎麼辦我們不知道怎麼辦我們沒有任何的預設立場那你要他往哪個方向去你總要告訴他們那怎麼走或者是能怎麼走好那再來呢是這兩年我們不管這個政策上是不是有什麼問題啦那感覺上很多量化的數字\n193655\t220167\t好像很美可是看起來我們也不知道接下去裡面的質量是如何剛才麥委員所講的東西本席在教學的第一線現場甚至在教育部裡面有記錄我就已經有經歷過很多的問題那上次次長又被我講了一圈我告訴他在這個國際生現場會碰到什麼樣的問題那你們男相事實上要注意到這些國家其實每一個國家的差異性非常的高\n221267\t250135\t那待會我當然再講一些細項不過在這邊我先提出一個最基本的一個建議啦最近許多的教團很期待我們應該舉辦一個全國的教育會議這個部分本席絕對呼應因為從2010年召開之後現在很久了捏雖然我們召委說教育是至少10年然後我們也知道百年的一個百年的一個時間但是14年沒有檢討你不覺得我們在現場\n251155\t265088\t我相信行政、教學等等都會有很大的問題所以因應社會的變遷跟這幾年的狀況跟問題我們是不是應該好好地檢討一下在各個層級所以我呼應正式舉辦全國教育會議來處理這件事情\n267210\t267450\t大學推動國際招生並流用\n286078\t310427\t但是基本上本席認為這就是2013年雙語計畫所延伸出來的子計畫早上有委員提醒你們哪雙語那本席做一個原住民我也可不可以建議那原住民裡面就地區那這個雙語可不可以那個華語如果是大家現在都會講的那其他一個語言也可以選擇原住民的其中一個語言要不然我們原住民的孩子呢可能有的時候都要學三到四種\n312388\t317330\t阿美族的也要學到泰雅族的因為失智的關係還有一些失智經費的不平等的問題還要學英語還要學自己的母語我們的負擔也很重我簡單提一下因為本人對語言很有興趣接觸的也很多也實地參與我可以提很細的建議但是我們今天不在這邊講細的東西\n337421\t343485\t那所以呢我們談到這個很短的這個時間就連許多現在雙語成就很好的國家他也花了比我們這樣預定的時間還長的時間而且基礎我們要來談論好究竟這樣子我們就會國家富強還是我們究竟要幹什麼不是丟一個東西下來讓我們都全盤接受結果搞得很多人在這麼限制的時間內沒有辦法就是你增加很多人負擔而且效益是不髒的\n370526\t386844\t這張牌子又出來了,如果這個問題沒解決,絕對是幾年來都一定會繼續本席會一直念一直念,那請原諒本席,我也不喜歡一天到晚聽到某一些標語一直在那邊念啊念啊喊著喊著\n387665\t397832\t但是當然截至目前為止都沒有解決更何況今天是這個國際生的問題那我這邊要喊就是未來我們在2030年也要留用6萬多個人那你們有跟我們現在在在學的學生的狀況跟未來他們在職場的狀況還有未來你這些外籍生對整個人口結構還有學生部分的就業就學的衝擊嗎那這個部分\n414884\t416225\t可不可以給我們原住民一個機會有學習到你們所謂的STEM我還要再念一次嗎\n436917\t463175\tScience, Technology, Engineering, Mathematics然後你們講的金融半導體Finance跟Semiconductor可不可以給我們一個機會不要把我們一直鎖在某一些原住民所謂相關的不管在原住民專班或產技2.0本席也比較過了謝謝會裡面有提供這個資訊不過會裡面跟我們說某些東西是機密結果有的我們也在網路上查到怎麼辦你們機密不小心露出來了那你們要小心喔\n464196\t464516\t請各位有責任：把民眾的問題聽懂：\n494356\t505090\t他不會管我們什麼南向政策下面的這些配套那重點就是我很簡單的講就是每個月臺灣學生能夠拿到的資源跟補助\n506837\t511239\t本席本來只幫原住民爭取現在所有你們認為非國際生的人台灣的學生本席都要爭取\n535972\t538855\t接下來,臺灣優華語計畫的失之不足,我先請教一下,我先問一下,我們現在認證考試是什麼樣子的狀況?就是,華語的認證考試,\n553918\t575972\t可以回應我一下我們懷疑認證考試的狀況嗎剛才委員提一個可能要跟委員補充說明一下我們的教育不過那個部長不好意思提說明會有點久不要說明一下台灣的教育資源絕對大比例都是投資在我們自己國內的學生當然一定要啦因為我們的元素比例這個數據各位再算一下我們再來彼此的對一下啦謝謝部長還要幫未來的同仁們\n580635\t580675\t林倩綺議員\n610384\t610444\t林倩綺議員\n628695\t629596\t邀請教育部部長潘文忠列席就:「大學推動國際招生及臺灣優華語計畫之執行成效及檢討。：林倩綺\n655078\t668680\t我直接這樣講好了本人在學法語、西班牙語、其他的語言那他都有テレ、グノ、オテレ、ア、ド那請問我們的華語計畫是什麼我想了解一下我們的那個\n669691\t688732\t有華語能力測驗 檢測 也有分級所以我們在各國都實行這個計畫嘛 對不對是啊 因為如果他當事人希望大家要考過什麼東西那個詳細的資料再給委員阿名字是什麼 我想那個主辦單位應該知道吧我都唸得出來叫 TELE A TELE UNO你們應該唸得出來吧\n691916\t705416\t對外華語的能力測驗叫華語文能力測驗我聽不太懂你是外國人聽得懂嗎這樣英文簡稱TALK4我聽不太懂你那個簡稱那個詳細的資料給委員參考比較好那另外呢你說這個\n706257\t730012\t阿這樣好了齁 時間也有點那個窘迫那我這邊齁最後提一下 剛才我也呼應那個葛委員這邊所講的齁他剛才給你那個Very glad to see you那這邊應該是Encantada que estes aquí齁那現在他講的這個AI 很多東西都可以實踐是不是可以好好的研究一下他所講的東西因為本席有很深的語言學習經驗沒這個環境\n731693\t731813\t主席\n750397\t769338\t對,好,2023年4月公共政策網路平台全國教總的提議請我們好好檢討這個雙語,包括早上有一些委員講了什麼雙語我們當然知道大家在推行的是什麼回歸教育的正軌,那本人第一線真的遇到很多困難好,那再來你們國發會的回應讓人家不知所措好,接下來最後\n770796\t787732\t如果有一些政策真的要煞車不要一意孤行按下暫停鍵讓我們都有機會喘氣好嗎那本人是第一線很認真的想要做好這件事情可是如果連我有時候都很無力的不知道能夠怎麼下去那\n789206\t789286\t好 謝謝兩位\n","txt":"潘文忠列席\n委員好潘部長好我們知道今天應該是您在519之前最後一次來所以本席今天大概在進入主題之前有一些感觸跟心情要跟您分享一下當然也跟部裡面藉這個機會也做一個溝通當然我們知道您在2016接了這個部長\n謝謝委員 謝謝\n主席\n以後所碰到的一些狀況跟建議我就發現在每一項的主題問答我們這邊都會碰到有關於組織或是法案專案或者是計畫預算等等\n那麼過去的詢答呢就很多包括那個各部會的這個相關的組織的調整或者是計畫的施行那我這邊整理了一下發現截至目前為止都不太長那這些相關的我剛才講的這些主題不僅時間不太長以外還有一個很重要的我覺得應該做的事情就是\n主題：林倩綺\n在進行下去的部分好像大家都沒有時間再好好的做整理所以我在這邊呼應幾件很嚴重的也是我主題所講的就是在私校退場條例到今天我也提過很多次看起來就只有清算、停辦、接管接下來我們大家不知道何去何從\n施肖要不要是要繼續就讓他這樣子結束細節我其實已經提了一些那未來還會再提那究竟他們要怎麼辦我們不知道怎麼辦我們沒有任何的預設立場那你要他往哪個方向去你總要告訴他們那怎麼走或者是能怎麼走好那再來呢是這兩年我們不管這個政策上是不是有什麼問題啦那感覺上很多量化的數字\n好像很美可是看起來我們也不知道接下去裡面的質量是如何剛才麥委員所講的東西本席在教學的第一線現場甚至在教育部裡面有記錄我就已經有經歷過很多的問題那上次次長又被我講了一圈我告訴他在這個國際生現場會碰到什麼樣的問題那你們男相事實上要注意到這些國家其實每一個國家的差異性非常的高\n那待會我當然再講一些細項不過在這邊我先提出一個最基本的一個建議啦最近許多的教團很期待我們應該舉辦一個全國的教育會議這個部分本席絕對呼應因為從2010年召開之後現在很久了捏雖然我們召委說教育是至少10年然後我們也知道百年的一個百年的一個時間但是14年沒有檢討你不覺得我們在現場\n我相信行政、教學等等都會有很大的問題所以因應社會的變遷跟這幾年的狀況跟問題我們是不是應該好好地檢討一下在各個層級所以我呼應正式舉辦全國教育會議來處理這件事情\n大學推動國際招生並流用\n但是基本上本席認為這就是2013年雙語計畫所延伸出來的子計畫早上有委員提醒你們哪雙語那本席做一個原住民我也可不可以建議那原住民裡面就地區那這個雙語可不可以那個華語如果是大家現在都會講的那其他一個語言也可以選擇原住民的其中一個語言要不然我們原住民的孩子呢可能有的時候都要學三到四種\n阿美族的也要學到泰雅族的因為失智的關係還有一些失智經費的不平等的問題還要學英語還要學自己的母語我們的負擔也很重我簡單提一下因為本人對語言很有興趣接觸的也很多也實地參與我可以提很細的建議但是我們今天不在這邊講細的東西\n那所以呢我們談到這個很短的這個時間就連許多現在雙語成就很好的國家他也花了比我們這樣預定的時間還長的時間而且基礎我們要來談論好究竟這樣子我們就會國家富強還是我們究竟要幹什麼不是丟一個東西下來讓我們都全盤接受結果搞得很多人在這麼限制的時間內沒有辦法就是你增加很多人負擔而且效益是不髒的\n這張牌子又出來了,如果這個問題沒解決,絕對是幾年來都一定會繼續本席會一直念一直念,那請原諒本席,我也不喜歡一天到晚聽到某一些標語一直在那邊念啊念啊喊著喊著\n但是當然截至目前為止都沒有解決更何況今天是這個國際生的問題那我這邊要喊就是未來我們在2030年也要留用6萬多個人那你們有跟我們現在在在學的學生的狀況跟未來他們在職場的狀況還有未來你這些外籍生對整個人口結構還有學生部分的就業就學的衝擊嗎那這個部分\n可不可以給我們原住民一個機會有學習到你們所謂的STEM我還要再念一次嗎\nScience, Technology, Engineering, Mathematics然後你們講的金融半導體Finance跟Semiconductor可不可以給我們一個機會不要把我們一直鎖在某一些原住民所謂相關的不管在原住民專班或產技2.0本席也比較過了謝謝會裡面有提供這個資訊不過會裡面跟我們說某些東西是機密結果有的我們也在網路上查到怎麼辦你們機密不小心露出來了那你們要小心喔\n請各位有責任：把民眾的問題聽懂：\n他不會管我們什麼南向政策下面的這些配套那重點就是我很簡單的講就是每個月臺灣學生能夠拿到的資源跟補助\n本席本來只幫原住民爭取現在所有你們認為非國際生的人台灣的學生本席都要爭取\n接下來,臺灣優華語計畫的失之不足,我先請教一下,我先問一下,我們現在認證考試是什麼樣子的狀況?就是,華語的認證考試,\n可以回應我一下我們懷疑認證考試的狀況嗎剛才委員提一個可能要跟委員補充說明一下我們的教育不過那個部長不好意思提說明會有點久不要說明一下台灣的教育資源絕對大比例都是投資在我們自己國內的學生當然一定要啦因為我們的元素比例這個數據各位再算一下我們再來彼此的對一下啦謝謝部長還要幫未來的同仁們\n林倩綺議員\n林倩綺議員\n邀請教育部部長潘文忠列席就:「大學推動國際招生及臺灣優華語計畫之執行成效及檢討。：林倩綺\n我直接這樣講好了本人在學法語、西班牙語、其他的語言那他都有テレ、グノ、オテレ、ア、ド那請問我們的華語計畫是什麼我想了解一下我們的那個\n有華語能力測驗 檢測 也有分級所以我們在各國都實行這個計畫嘛 對不對是啊 因為如果他當事人希望大家要考過什麼東西那個詳細的資料再給委員阿名字是什麼 我想那個主辦單位應該知道吧我都唸得出來叫 TELE A TELE UNO你們應該唸得出來吧\n對外華語的能力測驗叫華語文能力測驗我聽不太懂你是外國人聽得懂嗎這樣英文簡稱TALK4我聽不太懂你那個簡稱那個詳細的資料給委員參考比較好那另外呢你說這個\n阿這樣好了齁 時間也有點那個窘迫那我這邊齁最後提一下 剛才我也呼應那個葛委員這邊所講的齁他剛才給你那個Very glad to see you那這邊應該是Encantada que estes aquí齁那現在他講的這個AI 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檢測 也有分級所以我們在各國都實行這個計畫嘛 對不對是啊 因為如果他當事人希望大家要考過什麼東西那個詳細的資料再給委員阿名字是什麼 我想那個主辦單位應該知道吧我都唸得出來叫 TELE A TELE UNO你們應該唸得出來吧"},{"start":691.916,"end":705.416,"text":"對外華語的能力測驗叫華語文能力測驗我聽不太懂你是外國人聽得懂嗎這樣英文簡稱TALK4我聽不太懂你那個簡稱那個詳細的資料給委員參考比較好那另外呢你說這個"},{"start":706.257,"end":730.012,"text":"阿這樣好了齁 時間也有點那個窘迫那我這邊齁最後提一下 剛才我也呼應那個葛委員這邊所講的齁他剛才給你那個Very glad to see you那這邊應該是Encantada que estes aquí齁那現在他講的這個AI 很多東西都可以實踐是不是可以好好的研究一下他所講的東西因為本席有很深的語言學習經驗沒這個環境"},{"start":731.693,"end":731.813,"text":"主席"},{"start":750.397,"end":769.338,"text":"對,好,2023年4月公共政策網路平台全國教總的提議請我們好好檢討這個雙語,包括早上有一些委員講了什麼雙語我們當然知道大家在推行的是什麼回歸教育的正軌,那本人第一線真的遇到很多困難好,那再來你們國發會的回應讓人家不知所措好,接下來最後"},{"start":770.796,"end":787.732,"text":"如果有一些政策真的要煞車不要一意孤行按下暫停鍵讓我們都有機會喘氣好嗎那本人是第一線很認真的想要做好這件事情可是如果連我有時候都很無力的不知道能夠怎麼下去那"},{"start":789.206,"end":789.286,"text":"好 謝謝兩位"}]}}}}