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00:02:23,688\n這個部分在工廠輔導法已經列入修正的內容對於違法的部分會做處理就從儲存量的一個情形當然在化學目前這些資料都會上源那上源以後這些資料會分析到大概多久確認一次\n\n7\n00:02:24,068 --> 00:02:51,329\n而目前就修正過以後我要確認一下就是修正過以後工廠輔導法的一個內容應該是六個月或者應該是六個月我再確認一下再跟委員回報所以本席是不是拜託署長拜託建議一下如果六個月才建那說他們的自律的這個工廠自律的方式怎麼做是不是說他們只要有更動的時候多久之內要去把這些有害物質去做一個登錄的動作好嗎\n\n8\n00:02:52,020 --> 00:03:20,783\n是這個部分我們再來跟經濟部來做一個確認謝謝好第二個要請教這個署長的部分最近消防法有修正修正的部分有幾個有一個重點就是說他們針對剛剛有提過就是如果剛剛署長特別講到如果企業部改善減災應該停工的這個部分在消防法第42條第三項這邊的部分還是法令的修改的部分沒有看到修改還是得停工\n\n9\n00:03:21,744 --> 00:03:27,147\n),委員王育敏等21人擬具:「工會法第四條及第六條條文修正草案案案件,擬具、工會法第四條及第六條條文修正草案案件,擬具\n\n10\n00:03:39,074 --> 00:03:54,205\n應停工,我想這個部分對於比例原則上面會出問題所以在整個消防法修正目前已經5月10號報到行政院4月30號已經報到行政院接下來會送大院來審查那再請委員再跟我們做指導謝謝\n\n11\n00:03:55,126 --> 00:03:57,409\n國民黨黨團擬具《工會法第四條及第六條條文修正草案》案。​​\n\n12\n00:04:12,866 --> 00:04:25,915\n除此之外,我們是為了要保障所有消防人員的權益,那我請教一下,剛剛很多委員也提到說其他國家也有這個組工會,只是針對爭議權的部分來去做限縮,這個部分有沒有辦法來協助?\n\n13\n00:04:27,811 --> 00:04:50,612\n公務員報告目前的方向是朝向修正消防法列治安的專商這個第一部分公務員報告那另外就消防人員這方面協會主要是結社權跟協商這個部分在目前的協會法的修正已經納入這個精神那協商的項目也擴大我想這個部分我們會配合全市部修正的內容來做一個處理\n\n14\n00:04:51,613 --> 00:04:53,634\n國民黨黨團擬具:「工會法第四條及第六條條文修正草案：一﹑一﹑一﹑一﹑一﹑一﹑一﹑一﹑一﹑一﹑\n\n15\n00:05:13,283 --> 00:05:22,270\n人擬具:「工會法第四條及第六條條文修正草案．立法院第四條及第六條條文修正草案．立法院第四條及第六條條文修正草案．立法院第四條及第六條條文修正草案．立法院第四條及第六條條文修正草案．立法院第四條及第六條條文修正草案．\n\n16\n00:05:35,215 --> 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這個部分我們再來跟經濟部來做一個確認 謝謝好第二個要請教這個署長的部分最近消防法有修正修正的部分有幾個有一個重點就是說他們針對剛剛有提過就是如果剛剛署長特別講到如果企業部改善減災應該停工的這個部分在消防法第42條第三項這邊的部分還是法令的修改的部分沒有看到修改還是得停工\n201744\t207147\t), 委員王育敏等21人擬具:「工會法第四條及第六條條文修正草案案 案件, 擬具 、 工會法第四條及第六條條文修正草案 案件, 擬具\n219074\t234205\t應停工,我想這個部分對於比例原則上面會出問題所以在整個消防法修正目前已經5月10號報到行政院4月30號已經報到行政院接下來會送大院來審查那再請委員再跟我們做指導謝謝\n235126\t237409\t國民黨黨團擬具《工會法第四條及第六條條文修正草案》案。​​\n252866\t265915\t除此之外,我們是為了要保障所有消防人員的權益,那我請教一下,剛剛很多委員也提到說其他國家也有這個組工會,只是針對爭議權的部分來去做限縮,這個部分有沒有辦法來協助?\n267811\t290612\t公務員報告目前的方向是朝向修正消防法列治安的專商這個第一部分公務員報告那另外就消防人員這方面協會主要是結社權跟協商這個部分在目前的協會法的修正已經納入這個精神那協商的項目也擴大我想這個部分我們會配合全市部修正的內容來做一個處理\n291613\t293634\t國民黨黨團擬具:「工會法第四條及第六條條文修正草案：一﹑一﹑一﹑一﹑一﹑一﹑一﹑一﹑一﹑一﹑\n313283\t322270\t人擬具:「工會法第四條及第六條條文修正草案．立法院第四條及第六條條文修正草案．立法院第四條及第六條條文修正草案．立法院第四條及第六條條文修正草案．立法院第四條及第六條條文修正草案．立法院第四條及第六條條文修正草案．\n335215\t359392\t各位報告我想的確消防員他所面臨的是非常高風險的工作身心的壓力都是非常大我想這個部分當然整個勞動環境怎麼樣去把它優化然後對他的健康安全在平常有怎麼樣能夠來做協助我想我們應該是要跨部會一起來努力好謝謝謝謝部長謝謝張志倫委員\n","txt":"好謝謝主席各位委員各位官員大家午安那是不是有請部長跟署長消防署署長謝謝好請部長跟署長三位聯號\n感謝部長跟署長那因為今天這個有關於主公會的事情可能會麻煩到署長跟部長來回應所以請兩位一起上台首先要請教我們署長有關於這個統計最近10年有43位的消防員員殉職而且尤其大家非常清楚屏東陽明大火事件造成4位消防員殉職這大家都歷歷在目現在總共有時時111人受傷的悲劇\n請問署長在陽明大火之後消防組做了哪些努力?尤其那天我記得在很多抗疫的訴求裡面第一個就是要精進化學雲的部分尤其是化學物全流程管理的部分請問一下署長這邊有沒有精進哪一些部分然後跟各部會討論的目前狀況是如何?\n感謝委員垂詢。針對化學院部分在明陽大火以後,院的政務委員事上有組成專案會議,怎麼樣把化學院裡面的資訊充分分享。當然對業者的提供、提報在工廠法、輔導法裡面已經列入修法的內容,消防法這個部分也列入修正的內容。\n獅長,我簡單跟你請教,第一個就是說這個資訊的即時性是不是已經有確認清楚,因為當時這個陽明在這個救火的時候發現他的有害物質超量30倍啊,因為我們常常會擔心啊,很多時候有些企業登入禁區的資料後來都沒有更新啊,這個超量30倍的部分有沒有做動態式滾動式的一個調整,你們是怎麼樣去跟各部會去做協調的,\n這個部分在工廠輔導法已經列入修正的內容對於違法的部分會做處理就從儲存量的一個情形當然在化學目前這些資料都會上源那上源以後這些資料會分析到大概多久確認一次\n而目前就修正過以後我要確認一下就是修正過以後工廠輔導法的一個內容應該是六個月或者應該是六個月我再確認一下再跟委員回報所以本席是不是拜託署長拜託建議一下如果六個月才建那說他們的自律的這個工廠自律的方式怎麼做是不是說他們只要有更動的時候多久之內要去把這些有害物質去做一個登錄的動作好嗎\n是 這個部分我們再來跟經濟部來做一個確認 謝謝好第二個要請教這個署長的部分最近消防法有修正修正的部分有幾個有一個重點就是說他們針對剛剛有提過就是如果剛剛署長特別講到如果企業部改善減災應該停工的這個部分在消防法第42條第三項這邊的部分還是法令的修改的部分沒有看到修改還是得停工\n), 委員王育敏等21人擬具:「工會法第四條及第六條條文修正草案案 案件, 擬具 、 工會法第四條及第六條條文修正草案 案件, 擬具\n應停工,我想這個部分對於比例原則上面會出問題所以在整個消防法修正目前已經5月10號報到行政院4月30號已經報到行政院接下來會送大院來審查那再請委員再跟我們做指導謝謝\n國民黨黨團擬具《工會法第四條及第六條條文修正草案》案。​​\n除此之外,我們是為了要保障所有消防人員的權益,那我請教一下,剛剛很多委員也提到說其他國家也有這個組工會,只是針對爭議權的部分來去做限縮,這個部分有沒有辦法來協助?\n公務員報告目前的方向是朝向修正消防法列治安的專商這個第一部分公務員報告那另外就消防人員這方面協會主要是結社權跟協商這個部分在目前的協會法的修正已經納入這個精神那協商的項目也擴大我想這個部分我們會配合全市部修正的內容來做一個處理\n國民黨黨團擬具:「工會法第四條及第六條條文修正草案：一﹑一﹑一﹑一﹑一﹑一﹑一﹑一﹑一﹑一﹑\n人擬具:「工會法第四條及第六條條文修正草案．立法院第四條及第六條條文修正草案．立法院第四條及第六條條文修正草案．立法院第四條及第六條條文修正草案．立法院第四條及第六條條文修正草案．立法院第四條及第六條條文修正草案．\n各位報告我想的確消防員他所面臨的是非常高風險的工作身心的壓力都是非常大我想這個部分當然整個勞動環境怎麼樣去把它優化然後對他的健康安全在平常有怎麼樣能夠來做協助我想我們應該是要跨部會一起來努力好謝謝謝謝部長謝謝張志倫委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:10.182 --> 00:16.126\n好謝謝主席各位委員各位官員大家午安那是不是有請部長跟署長消防署署長謝謝好請部長跟署長三位聯號\n\n00:22.925 --> 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