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--> 00:00:47,265\n檢查：立法院第11屆第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會\n\n4\n00:01:12,318 --> 00:01:16,641\n邱議瑩等19人擬具:「農村再生條例第七條條文修正草案：立法院第11屆第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會\n\n5\n00:01:38,755 --> 00:01:45,839\n你認為說好,我們就只剩下110,按照你的報告是112、113,110幾年就已經只剩下900多、400多億欸一年你們的支出是100億,你們在農村支出一年平均100億,所以你現在只能再撐4年欸\n\n6\n00:01:56,704 --> 00:02:01,246\n所以你的意思是說都不要再補了是嗎?部長對立法院的對話要務實不要實問虛答所以你告訴我你們內部認為最低基準是多少還是說你覺得應該委員提的都太少了我應該撥補五千億\n\n7\n00:02:16,294 --> 00:02:17,235\n我相信每個委員藍綠立委都會接受\n\n8\n00:02:28,739 --> 00:02:42,991\n好了,這個部長,您就要調整一下您作為部長的一個角色。實問虛的這件事情在現在立法院你只會吃虧而已。好,我直接進入今天本席的一個討論的主題,地球暖化。\n\n9\n00:02:46,434 --> 00:02:48,555\n只會讓農業災損成常態也就是我農業的補助也會成為常態我這邊有幾個提綱跟您來討論第一個全球暖化造成的農產品產量減少第二是針對現階段現在4月5月\n\n10\n00:03:05,982 --> 00:03:10,423\n這當中我的農民是多麼的苦。以及面對氣候變遷我除了補助之外政府應該有全新的政策的規劃所以本期有一個具體的要求我們因為氣候暖化所產生的農產品產量減少以台中梨山水蜜桃為例梨山是全台灣水蜜桃最大產量的\n\n11\n00:03:27,369 --> 00:03:49,478\n一年也只有一收,每年七、八月為採收期,現在這個時候四到五月是結果的時期,但農民因為氣候異常,水蜜桃只開花不結果,結果率僅約一成,導致水蜜桃的產量減少,農民收成是銳減的,現在出乎可能少五成,更可能達不到四成。\n\n12\n00:03:50,718 --> 00:03:58,683\n好在看到我的高雄除了台中的這個梨山水蜜桃外我們高雄有多項的農產品喔水蜜桃、青梅、荔枝、芒果也因為氣候異常導致我的開花率、結果率都下降造成收成銳減再加上我又有猕猴大軍的投資包括南麻夏的這個水蜜桃、六龜的芒果、內門的鳳梨跟\n\n13\n00:04:16,874 --> 00:04:35,662\n華臘果園接招彌猴入侵果園,農民被迫放棄採收,損失更加慘重。我忙碌了一整年,是徒勞無功,心血付諸流水。我們的《農業天然災害救助辦法》第四條規定目前僅針對颱風、逢風、龍捲風、豪雨、淫雨、冰庫、冰暴、寒流、旱災及地震所造成的災害\n\n14\n00:04:44,386 --> 00:04:48,690\n給補助請問農業部可否將從後併害動物入侵所造成的損害納入補助範圍呢?這是第一個問題好那我們的這個農民再如何的苦呢?這個都是報紙所報\n\n15\n00:05:03,481 --> 00:05:27,103\n農業部23萬補助防喉,農民職員這是不夠的,而且講到說喉會跟我們人鬥。所以就本席了解,農業部跟我們高雄市政府是有編列經費補助防喉設施電網的,但是對於水蜜桃整個種植面積廣大一甲以上的農民,架設費用高。\n\n16\n00:05:28,544 --> 00:05:44,589\n電費高、設備成本高、補助不足以根本這樣的補助是不足以應付的,是一筆不小的開銷,而且盒子很聰明,不想辦法鑽漏洞,水蜜桃一樣是遭偷吃啊。另外一個報導說花蓮有民眾誤觸電網,慘遭電網啊。\n\n17\n00:05:49,430 --> 00:06:17,496\n這個顯現我們電網的防制效果有限而且民眾因為誤觸請這邊我就要請農業部研擬更合適的防堵方法讓農民跟動物能夠共存好面對這樣的氣候變遷我除了補助之外本席一再的強調應該要有全新的政策規劃我們來看左邊這張圖高雄市的南馬小的桃我們的水壁桃的作物從這個是你們自己的官網喔\n\n18\n00:06:19,197 --> 00:06:29,304\n109年我的喇嘛俠的是每公頃的收量,其實整個栽種面積我沒有增加。這個面積的收量從109年的每6339公頃每公頃6300累減到111年不過短短兩年的時間,我每公頃的收量降到3270減半。\n\n19\n00:06:41,852 --> 00:06:54,745\n全球暖化氣候升高已經即是不爭的事實,農產品的產量逐漸降低,農業部所推廣的智慧農業你們都集中在哪裡?叫做自動化,而且你的自動化也是在這個農機小型農機的一個自動化的推廣\n\n20\n00:06:58,488 --> 00:07:14,800\n雖然可以省時省力大面積的種植,但是呢,針對氣候問題持續的惡化,農產品收成不佳,這個不會是因為你自動化的關係會有所改善。所以面對極端氣候的影響,農業部應將智慧農業的重點放在智慧化。\n\n21\n00:07:17,882 --> 00:07:40,892\n基因準化來提升產能以協助農民來因應其變化。」更重要的我一再強調我整個農業的決策整個系統都應該要智慧化這已經今天再加上這一次我至少是五次以上在質詢這個議題的農業部應該參考本期之前所質詢的掌握種源基因定序為主軸以調適科學為架構調整農時找出適應的物種針對耐寒\n\n22\n00:07:46,974 --> 00:07:53,299\n耐熱、耐旱等不同極端氣候的情形發展出不同的物種技術,以令農民來因應未來的氣候。」我就舉一個案例,我在高雄市的我們這林園這個養那個石斑魚,好啊,這以前我怎麼做配種呢?我就牧師,這個A跟B比較好,我把它配種。現在呢這樣不行了,我就引進速發部,我說速發部你來補助,因為農業部他聽不懂。好,我說你就在,我就找了速發部補助了。\n\n23\n00:08:16,897 --> 00:08:26,500\n一、本院委員楊瓊瓔等18人擬具:「農村再生條例第七條及第十五條條文修正草案：立法院第12次全體委員會及第十五條條文修正草案：立法院議員楊瓊瓔等19人擬具:「農村再生條例第七條及第十五條條文修正草案：立法院議員楊瓊瓔等19人擬具:「農村再生條例第十五條條文修正草案：立法院議員楊瓊瓔等19人擬具:「農村再生條例第十五條條條文修正草案：立法院議員楊瓊瓔等19人擬具\n\n24\n00:08:33,302 --> 00:08:35,143\n案二、本院委員楊瓊瓔等19人擬具«農村再生條例第七條條文\n\n25\n00:08:52,159 --> 00:08:54,740\n所以這就是基因定序的一個物種啊我們的我敢講目前在動物在植物或者這個養殖業他是不受氣候的我們是可以給予他氣候因子而讓他有優生學所以這個本席所講的智慧農業掌握基因定序這件事情以發展調適科學講的其實就是我們農業的優生學\n\n26\n00:09:22,671 --> 00:09:38,127\n農業的優生學才能去適應我的現在的極端氣候變化這樣的政策你應該重新規劃才對所以我這邊幾個兩個重點請農業部參考本期之前所質詢的掌握種源基因定序的概念從源頭掌握\n\n27\n00:09:38,607 --> 00:10:05,234\n以調適科學調整農食找出適應的物種研究可因應極端氣候的經濟作物耐寒耐熱耐旱以因應氣候變遷除了補助之外政府也應該有全新的政策規劃讓智慧化農業的智慧化精準化協助農民在氣候變遷時代也能夠種植跟豐收另外你補助也要讓人民有感啊\n\n28\n00:10:06,041 --> 00:10:08,763\n除了發展這個東西之外改變我們的這個物種之外我氣候變遷常態農業部對農產品的摘損也應該化被動為主動你們現在農業處被動的等待地方政府呈報好然後呢應改為主動要求各縣市政府在第一時間農村產生的時候\n\n29\n00:10:26,215 --> 00:10:33,600\n你就應該跟我中央這個聯繫啟動災損評估針主動補助光是我這一句話就是你智慧化農業決策的體制你就要導入了然後確保農民的生計不要等到民怨沸騰的這個媒體報導了然後我們各黨各派的立委\n\n30\n00:10:47,529 --> 00:11:01,760\n一直給你打電話好你政府才去補助連解決民怨你都要預先啊所以你在積極的找出你的調適科學的新物種以及你要補助當中化被動為主動才是你這個繼任的部長該有的這個價值啊\n\n31\n00:11:03,982 --> 00:11:31,427\n好部長請回應非常謝謝委員的一個建議那事實上委員所提到的我們百分之百認同就是未來我們在新的政策裡面已經確定了用智慧韌性的這樣的概念把相關的精準農業跟智慧農業去導入到整個的一個產業體系這第一個部分第二個部分就是委員所提到的基因定訊正確的名稱應該講分子育種因為分子育種是在農業上叫分子育種在我們產業這個基因定訊不是只有針對業針對我們人\n\n32\n00:11:33,667 --> 00:11:50,167\n所以這是中央研究院、中央研究院的學士我們在做積極的討論所給我的意思我了解就是說我們在產業上面不管在農作物也好或是在水產品也好我們都用分子育種就精準的這些您所講的這些描述的育種方向我們會共同朝這個方向\n\n33\n00:11:50,948 --> 00:11:55,573\n那你對於這個補助應該應該納入動物的蟲害還有蟲害病害那另外我們也同步啟動用農業災害的保險去做相關的一個護符\n\n34\n00:12:09,907 --> 00:12:24,407\n法規還是法規面啊?你們如果你認為蟲害、病害跟動物入侵是有的,那至少我就依這個辦法,各縣市有所依據啊。不是,這個要先確認齁,是不是納入。所以你要不要研議啊,好不好,帶動研議好不好。好,那部長剛才有回答,要研議齁,請研議好給,送交給我們委員,謝謝。\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n69\t1592\t事由：審查：立法院第11屆第12期經濟委員會第13期經濟委員會的林黛嬅委員請做詢問。\n13862\t41182\t部長聽您的這個報告啊這個農村再生條例那你們農業部的立場是什麼是要再撥補多少錢呢在您整個的說明我聽不出到底你是支持三千再撥補三千六百億呢還是再支持四千五百億呢那我個人不太能夠接受說好你要等新政府上任之後因為你是繼任的部長所以你們對於過往的執行狀況\n42483\t47265\t檢查：立法院第11屆第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會\n72318\t76641\t邱議瑩等19人擬具:「農村再生條例第七條條文修正草案：立法院第11屆第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會\n98755\t105839\t你認為說好,我們就只剩下110,按照你的報告是112、113,110幾年就已經只剩下900多、400多億欸一年你們的支出是100億,你們在農村支出一年平均100億,所以你現在只能再撐4年欸\n116704\t121246\t所以你的意思是說都不要再補了是嗎?部長對立法院的對話要務實不要實問虛答所以你告訴我你們內部認為最低基準是多少還是說你覺得應該委員提的都太少了我應該撥補五千億\n136294\t137235\t我相信每個委員藍綠立委都會接受\n148739\t162991\t好了,這個部長,您就要調整一下您作為部長的一個角色。實問虛的這件事情在現在立法院你只會吃虧而已。好,我直接進入今天本席的一個討論的主題,地球暖化。\n166434\t168555\t只會讓農業災損成常態也就是我農業的補助也會成為常態我這邊有幾個提綱跟您來討論第一個全球暖化造成的農產品產量減少第二是針對現階段現在4月5月\n185982\t190423\t這當中我的農民是多麼的苦。以及面對氣候變遷我除了補助之外政府應該有全新的政策的規劃所以本期有一個具體的要求我們因為氣候暖化所產生的農產品產量減少以台中梨山水蜜桃為例梨山是全台灣水蜜桃最大產量的\n207369\t229478\t一年也只有一收,每年七、八月為採收期,現在這個時候四到五月是結果的時期,但農民因為氣候異常,水蜜桃只開花不結果,結果率僅約一成,導致水蜜桃的產量減少,農民收成是銳減的,現在出乎可能少五成,更可能達不到四成。\n230718\t238683\t好在看到我的高雄除了台中的這個梨山水蜜桃外我們高雄有多項的農產品喔水蜜桃、青梅、荔枝、芒果也因為氣候異常導致我的開花率、結果率都下降造成收成銳減再加上我又有猕猴大軍的投資包括南麻夏的這個水蜜桃、六龜的芒果、內門的鳳梨跟\n256874\t275662\t華臘果園接招彌猴入侵果園,農民被迫放棄採收,損失更加慘重。我忙碌了一整年,是徒勞無功,心血付諸流水。我們的《農業天然災害救助辦法》第四條規定目前僅針對颱風、逢風、龍捲風、豪雨、淫雨、冰庫、冰暴、寒流、旱災及地震所造成的災害\n284386\t288690\t給補助請問農業部可否將從後併害動物入侵所造成的損害納入補助範圍呢?這是第一個問題好那我們的這個農民再如何的苦呢?這個都是報紙所報\n303481\t327103\t農業部23萬補助防喉,農民職員這是不夠的,而且講到說喉會跟我們人鬥。所以就本席了解,農業部跟我們高雄市政府是有編列經費補助防喉設施電網的,但是對於水蜜桃整個種植面積廣大一甲以上的農民,架設費用高。\n328544\t344589\t電費高、設備成本高、補助不足以根本這樣的補助是不足以應付的,是一筆不小的開銷,而且盒子很聰明,不想辦法鑽漏洞,水蜜桃一樣是遭偷吃啊。另外一個報導說花蓮有民眾誤觸電網,慘遭電網啊。\n349430\t377496\t這個顯現我們電網的防制效果有限而且民眾因為誤觸請這邊我就要請農業部研擬更合適的防堵方法讓農民跟動物能夠共存好面對這樣的氣候變遷我除了補助之外本席一再的強調應該要有全新的政策規劃我們來看左邊這張圖高雄市的南馬小的桃我們的水壁桃的作物從這個是你們自己的官網喔\n379197\t389304\t109年我的喇嘛俠的是每公頃的收量,其實整個栽種面積我沒有增加。這個面積的收量從109年的每6339公頃每公頃6300累減到111年不過短短兩年的時間,我每公頃的收量降到3270減半。\n401852\t414745\t全球暖化氣候升高已經即是不爭的事實,農產品的產量逐漸降低,農業部所推廣的智慧農業你們都集中在哪裡?叫做自動化,而且你的自動化也是在這個農機小型農機的一個自動化的推廣\n418488\t434800\t雖然可以省時省力大面積的種植,但是呢,針對氣候問題持續的惡化,農產品收成不佳,這個不會是因為你自動化的關係會有所改善。所以面對極端氣候的影響,農業部應將智慧農業的重點放在智慧化。\n437882\t460892\t基因準化來提升產能以協助農民來因應其變化。」更重要的我一再強調我整個農業的決策整個系統都應該要智慧化這已經今天再加上這一次我至少是五次以上在質詢這個議題的農業部應該參考本期之前所質詢的掌握種源基因定序為主軸以調適科學為架構調整農時找出適應的物種針對耐寒\n466974\t473299\t耐熱、耐旱等不同極端氣候的情形發展出不同的物種技術,以令農民來因應未來的氣候。」我就舉一個案例,我在高雄市的我們這林園這個養那個石斑魚,好啊,這以前我怎麼做配種呢?我就牧師,這個A跟B比較好,我把它配種。現在呢這樣不行了,我就引進速發部,我說速發部你來補助,因為農業部他聽不懂。好,我說你就在,我就找了速發部補助了。\n496897\t506500\t一、本院委員楊瓊瓔等18人擬具:「農村再生條例第七條及第十五條條文修正草案：立法院第12次全體委員會及第十五條條文修正草案：立法院議員楊瓊瓔等19人擬具:「農村再生條例第七條及第十五條條文修正草案：立法院議員楊瓊瓔等19人擬具:「農村再生條例第十五條條文修正草案：立法院議員楊瓊瓔等19人擬具:「農村再生條例第十五條條條文修正草案：立法院議員楊瓊瓔等19人擬具\n513302\t515143\t案 二、本院委員楊瓊瓔等19人擬具 «農村再生條例第七條條文\n532159\t534740\t所以這就是基因定序的一個物種啊我們的我敢講目前在動物在植物或者這個養殖業他是不受氣候的我們是可以給予他氣候因子而讓他有優生學所以這個本席所講的智慧農業掌握基因定序這件事情以發展調適科學講的其實就是我們農業的優生學\n562671\t578127\t農業的優生學才能去適應我的現在的極端氣候變化這樣的政策你應該重新規劃才對所以我這邊幾個兩個重點請農業部參考本期之前所質詢的掌握種源基因定序的概念從源頭掌握\n578607\t605234\t以調適科學調整農食找出適應的物種研究可因應極端氣候的經濟作物耐寒耐熱耐旱以因應氣候變遷除了補助之外政府也應該有全新的政策規劃讓智慧化農業的智慧化精準化協助農民在氣候變遷時代也能夠種植跟豐收另外你補助也要讓人民有感啊\n606041\t608763\t除了發展這個東西之外改變我們的這個物種之外我氣候變遷常態農業部對農產品的摘損也應該化被動為主動你們現在農業處被動的等待地方政府呈報好然後呢應改為主動要求各縣市政府在第一時間農村產生的時候\n626215\t633600\t你就應該跟我中央這個聯繫啟動災損評估針主動補助光是我這一句話就是你智慧化農業決策的體制你就要導入了然後確保農民的生計不要等到民怨沸騰的這個媒體報導了然後我們各黨各派的立委\n647529\t661760\t一直給你打電話好你政府才去補助連解決民怨你都要預先啊所以你在積極的找出你的調適科學的新物種以及你要補助當中化被動為主動才是你這個繼任的部長該有的這個價值啊\n663982\t691427\t好部長請回應非常謝謝委員的一個建議那事實上委員所提到的我們百分之百認同就是未來我們在新的政策裡面已經確定了用智慧韌性的這樣的概念把相關的精準農業跟智慧農業去導入到整個的一個產業體系這第一個部分第二個部分就是委員所提到的基因定訊正確的名稱應該講分子育種因為分子育種是在農業上叫分子育種在我們產業這個基因定訊不是只有針對業針對我們人\n693667\t710167\t所以這是中央研究院、中央研究院的學士我們在做積極的討論所給我的意思我了解就是說我們在產業上面不管在農作物也好或是在水產品也好我們都用分子育種就精準的這些您所講的這些描述的育種方向我們會共同朝這個方向\n710948\t715573\t那你對於這個補助應該應該納入動物的蟲害還有蟲害病害那另外我們也同步啟動用農業災害的保險去做相關的一個護符\n729907\t744407\t法規還是法規面啊?你們如果你認為蟲害、病害跟動物入侵是有的,那至少我就依這個辦法,各縣市有所依據啊。不是,這個要先確認齁,是不是納入。所以你要不要研議啊,好不好,帶動研議好不好。好,那部長剛才有回答,要研議齁,請研議好給,送交給我們委員,謝謝。\n","txt":"事由：審查：立法院第11屆第12期經濟委員會第13期經濟委員會的林黛嬅委員請做詢問。\n部長聽您的這個報告啊這個農村再生條例那你們農業部的立場是什麼是要再撥補多少錢呢在您整個的說明我聽不出到底你是支持三千再撥補三千六百億呢還是再支持四千五百億呢那我個人不太能夠接受說好你要等新政府上任之後因為你是繼任的部長所以你們對於過往的執行狀況\n檢查：立法院第11屆第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會\n邱議瑩等19人擬具:「農村再生條例第七條條文修正草案：立法院第11屆第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會\n你認為說好,我們就只剩下110,按照你的報告是112、113,110幾年就已經只剩下900多、400多億欸一年你們的支出是100億,你們在農村支出一年平均100億,所以你現在只能再撐4年欸\n所以你的意思是說都不要再補了是嗎?部長對立法院的對話要務實不要實問虛答所以你告訴我你們內部認為最低基準是多少還是說你覺得應該委員提的都太少了我應該撥補五千億\n我相信每個委員藍綠立委都會接受\n好了,這個部長,您就要調整一下您作為部長的一個角色。實問虛的這件事情在現在立法院你只會吃虧而已。好,我直接進入今天本席的一個討論的主題,地球暖化。\n只會讓農業災損成常態也就是我農業的補助也會成為常態我這邊有幾個提綱跟您來討論第一個全球暖化造成的農產品產量減少第二是針對現階段現在4月5月\n這當中我的農民是多麼的苦。以及面對氣候變遷我除了補助之外政府應該有全新的政策的規劃所以本期有一個具體的要求我們因為氣候暖化所產生的農產品產量減少以台中梨山水蜜桃為例梨山是全台灣水蜜桃最大產量的\n一年也只有一收,每年七、八月為採收期,現在這個時候四到五月是結果的時期,但農民因為氣候異常,水蜜桃只開花不結果,結果率僅約一成,導致水蜜桃的產量減少,農民收成是銳減的,現在出乎可能少五成,更可能達不到四成。\n好在看到我的高雄除了台中的這個梨山水蜜桃外我們高雄有多項的農產品喔水蜜桃、青梅、荔枝、芒果也因為氣候異常導致我的開花率、結果率都下降造成收成銳減再加上我又有猕猴大軍的投資包括南麻夏的這個水蜜桃、六龜的芒果、內門的鳳梨跟\n華臘果園接招彌猴入侵果園,農民被迫放棄採收,損失更加慘重。我忙碌了一整年,是徒勞無功,心血付諸流水。我們的《農業天然災害救助辦法》第四條規定目前僅針對颱風、逢風、龍捲風、豪雨、淫雨、冰庫、冰暴、寒流、旱災及地震所造成的災害\n給補助請問農業部可否將從後併害動物入侵所造成的損害納入補助範圍呢?這是第一個問題好那我們的這個農民再如何的苦呢?這個都是報紙所報\n農業部23萬補助防喉,農民職員這是不夠的,而且講到說喉會跟我們人鬥。所以就本席了解,農業部跟我們高雄市政府是有編列經費補助防喉設施電網的,但是對於水蜜桃整個種植面積廣大一甲以上的農民,架設費用高。\n電費高、設備成本高、補助不足以根本這樣的補助是不足以應付的,是一筆不小的開銷,而且盒子很聰明,不想辦法鑽漏洞,水蜜桃一樣是遭偷吃啊。另外一個報導說花蓮有民眾誤觸電網,慘遭電網啊。\n這個顯現我們電網的防制效果有限而且民眾因為誤觸請這邊我就要請農業部研擬更合適的防堵方法讓農民跟動物能夠共存好面對這樣的氣候變遷我除了補助之外本席一再的強調應該要有全新的政策規劃我們來看左邊這張圖高雄市的南馬小的桃我們的水壁桃的作物從這個是你們自己的官網喔\n109年我的喇嘛俠的是每公頃的收量,其實整個栽種面積我沒有增加。這個面積的收量從109年的每6339公頃每公頃6300累減到111年不過短短兩年的時間,我每公頃的收量降到3270減半。\n全球暖化氣候升高已經即是不爭的事實,農產品的產量逐漸降低,農業部所推廣的智慧農業你們都集中在哪裡?叫做自動化,而且你的自動化也是在這個農機小型農機的一個自動化的推廣\n雖然可以省時省力大面積的種植,但是呢,針對氣候問題持續的惡化,農產品收成不佳,這個不會是因為你自動化的關係會有所改善。所以面對極端氣候的影響,農業部應將智慧農業的重點放在智慧化。\n基因準化來提升產能以協助農民來因應其變化。」更重要的我一再強調我整個農業的決策整個系統都應該要智慧化這已經今天再加上這一次我至少是五次以上在質詢這個議題的農業部應該參考本期之前所質詢的掌握種源基因定序為主軸以調適科學為架構調整農時找出適應的物種針對耐寒\n耐熱、耐旱等不同極端氣候的情形發展出不同的物種技術,以令農民來因應未來的氣候。」我就舉一個案例,我在高雄市的我們這林園這個養那個石斑魚,好啊,這以前我怎麼做配種呢?我就牧師,這個A跟B比較好,我把它配種。現在呢這樣不行了,我就引進速發部,我說速發部你來補助,因為農業部他聽不懂。好,我說你就在,我就找了速發部補助了。\n一、本院委員楊瓊瓔等18人擬具:「農村再生條例第七條及第十五條條文修正草案：立法院第12次全體委員會及第十五條條文修正草案：立法院議員楊瓊瓔等19人擬具:「農村再生條例第七條及第十五條條文修正草案：立法院議員楊瓊瓔等19人擬具:「農村再生條例第十五條條文修正草案：立法院議員楊瓊瓔等19人擬具:「農村再生條例第十五條條條文修正草案：立法院議員楊瓊瓔等19人擬具\n案 二、本院委員楊瓊瓔等19人擬具 «農村再生條例第七條條文\n所以這就是基因定序的一個物種啊我們的我敢講目前在動物在植物或者這個養殖業他是不受氣候的我們是可以給予他氣候因子而讓他有優生學所以這個本席所講的智慧農業掌握基因定序這件事情以發展調適科學講的其實就是我們農業的優生學\n農業的優生學才能去適應我的現在的極端氣候變化這樣的政策你應該重新規劃才對所以我這邊幾個兩個重點請農業部參考本期之前所質詢的掌握種源基因定序的概念從源頭掌握\n以調適科學調整農食找出適應的物種研究可因應極端氣候的經濟作物耐寒耐熱耐旱以因應氣候變遷除了補助之外政府也應該有全新的政策規劃讓智慧化農業的智慧化精準化協助農民在氣候變遷時代也能夠種植跟豐收另外你補助也要讓人民有感啊\n除了發展這個東西之外改變我們的這個物種之外我氣候變遷常態農業部對農產品的摘損也應該化被動為主動你們現在農業處被動的等待地方政府呈報好然後呢應改為主動要求各縣市政府在第一時間農村產生的時候\n你就應該跟我中央這個聯繫啟動災損評估針主動補助光是我這一句話就是你智慧化農業決策的體制你就要導入了然後確保農民的生計不要等到民怨沸騰的這個媒體報導了然後我們各黨各派的立委\n一直給你打電話好你政府才去補助連解決民怨你都要預先啊所以你在積極的找出你的調適科學的新物種以及你要補助當中化被動為主動才是你這個繼任的部長該有的這個價值啊\n好部長請回應非常謝謝委員的一個建議那事實上委員所提到的我們百分之百認同就是未來我們在新的政策裡面已經確定了用智慧韌性的這樣的概念把相關的精準農業跟智慧農業去導入到整個的一個產業體系這第一個部分第二個部分就是委員所提到的基因定訊正確的名稱應該講分子育種因為分子育種是在農業上叫分子育種在我們產業這個基因定訊不是只有針對業針對我們人\n所以這是中央研究院、中央研究院的學士我們在做積極的討論所給我的意思我了解就是說我們在產業上面不管在農作物也好或是在水產品也好我們都用分子育種就精準的這些您所講的這些描述的育種方向我們會共同朝這個方向\n那你對於這個補助應該應該納入動物的蟲害還有蟲害病害那另外我們也同步啟動用農業災害的保險去做相關的一個護符\n法規還是法規面啊?你們如果你認為蟲害、病害跟動物入侵是有的,那至少我就依這個辦法,各縣市有所依據啊。不是,這個要先確認齁,是不是納入。所以你要不要研議啊,好不好,帶動研議好不好。好,那部長剛才有回答,要研議齁,請研議好給,送交給我們委員,謝謝。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.069 --> 00:01.592\n事由：審查：立法院第11屆第12期經濟委員會第13期經濟委員會的林黛嬅委員請做詢問。\n\n00:13.862 --> 00:41.182\n部長聽您的這個報告啊這個農村再生條例那你們農業部的立場是什麼是要再撥補多少錢呢在您整個的說明我聽不出到底你是支持三千再撥補三千六百億呢還是再支持四千五百億呢那我個人不太能夠接受說好你要等新政府上任之後因為你是繼任的部長所以你們對於過往的執行狀況\n\n00:42.483 --> 00:47.265\n檢查：立法院第11屆第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會\n\n01:12.318 --> 01:16.641\n邱議瑩等19人擬具:「農村再生條例第七條條文修正草案：立法院第11屆第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會\n\n01:38.755 --> 01:45.839\n你認為說好,我們就只剩下110,按照你的報告是112、113,110幾年就已經只剩下900多、400多億欸一年你們的支出是100億,你們在農村支出一年平均100億,所以你現在只能再撐4年欸\n\n01:56.704 --> 02:01.246\n所以你的意思是說都不要再補了是嗎?部長對立法院的對話要務實不要實問虛答所以你告訴我你們內部認為最低基準是多少還是說你覺得應該委員提的都太少了我應該撥補五千億\n\n02:16.294 --> 02:17.235\n我相信每個委員藍綠立委都會接受\n\n02:28.739 --> 02:42.991\n好了,這個部長,您就要調整一下您作為部長的一個角色。實問虛的這件事情在現在立法院你只會吃虧而已。好,我直接進入今天本席的一個討論的主題,地球暖化。\n\n02:46.434 --> 02:48.555\n只會讓農業災損成常態也就是我農業的補助也會成為常態我這邊有幾個提綱跟您來討論第一個全球暖化造成的農產品產量減少第二是針對現階段現在4月5月\n\n03:05.982 --> 03:10.423\n這當中我的農民是多麼的苦。以及面對氣候變遷我除了補助之外政府應該有全新的政策的規劃所以本期有一個具體的要求我們因為氣候暖化所產生的農產品產量減少以台中梨山水蜜桃為例梨山是全台灣水蜜桃最大產量的\n\n03:27.369 --> 03:49.478\n一年也只有一收,每年七、八月為採收期,現在這個時候四到五月是結果的時期,但農民因為氣候異常,水蜜桃只開花不結果,結果率僅約一成,導致水蜜桃的產量減少,農民收成是銳減的,現在出乎可能少五成,更可能達不到四成。\n\n03:50.718 --> 03:58.683\n好在看到我的高雄除了台中的這個梨山水蜜桃外我們高雄有多項的農產品喔水蜜桃、青梅、荔枝、芒果也因為氣候異常導致我的開花率、結果率都下降造成收成銳減再加上我又有猕猴大軍的投資包括南麻夏的這個水蜜桃、六龜的芒果、內門的鳳梨跟\n\n04:16.874 --> 04:35.662\n華臘果園接招彌猴入侵果園,農民被迫放棄採收,損失更加慘重。我忙碌了一整年,是徒勞無功,心血付諸流水。我們的《農業天然災害救助辦法》第四條規定目前僅針對颱風、逢風、龍捲風、豪雨、淫雨、冰庫、冰暴、寒流、旱災及地震所造成的災害\n\n04:44.386 --> 04:48.690\n給補助請問農業部可否將從後併害動物入侵所造成的損害納入補助範圍呢?這是第一個問題好那我們的這個農民再如何的苦呢?這個都是報紙所報\n\n05:03.481 --> 05:27.103\n農業部23萬補助防喉,農民職員這是不夠的,而且講到說喉會跟我們人鬥。所以就本席了解,農業部跟我們高雄市政府是有編列經費補助防喉設施電網的,但是對於水蜜桃整個種植面積廣大一甲以上的農民,架設費用高。\n\n05:28.544 --> 05:44.589\n電費高、設備成本高、補助不足以根本這樣的補助是不足以應付的,是一筆不小的開銷,而且盒子很聰明,不想辦法鑽漏洞,水蜜桃一樣是遭偷吃啊。另外一個報導說花蓮有民眾誤觸電網,慘遭電網啊。\n\n05:49.430 --> 06:17.496\n這個顯現我們電網的防制效果有限而且民眾因為誤觸請這邊我就要請農業部研擬更合適的防堵方法讓農民跟動物能夠共存好面對這樣的氣候變遷我除了補助之外本席一再的強調應該要有全新的政策規劃我們來看左邊這張圖高雄市的南馬小的桃我們的水壁桃的作物從這個是你們自己的官網喔\n\n06:19.197 --> 06:29.304\n109年我的喇嘛俠的是每公頃的收量,其實整個栽種面積我沒有增加。這個面積的收量從109年的每6339公頃每公頃6300累減到111年不過短短兩年的時間,我每公頃的收量降到3270減半。\n\n06:41.852 --> 06:54.745\n全球暖化氣候升高已經即是不爭的事實,農產品的產量逐漸降低,農業部所推廣的智慧農業你們都集中在哪裡?叫做自動化,而且你的自動化也是在這個農機小型農機的一個自動化的推廣\n\n06:58.488 --> 07:14.800\n雖然可以省時省力大面積的種植,但是呢,針對氣候問題持續的惡化,農產品收成不佳,這個不會是因為你自動化的關係會有所改善。所以面對極端氣候的影響,農業部應將智慧農業的重點放在智慧化。\n\n07:17.882 --> 07:40.892\n基因準化來提升產能以協助農民來因應其變化。」更重要的我一再強調我整個農業的決策整個系統都應該要智慧化這已經今天再加上這一次我至少是五次以上在質詢這個議題的農業部應該參考本期之前所質詢的掌握種源基因定序為主軸以調適科學為架構調整農時找出適應的物種針對耐寒\n\n07:46.974 --> 07:53.299\n耐熱、耐旱等不同極端氣候的情形發展出不同的物種技術,以令農民來因應未來的氣候。」我就舉一個案例,我在高雄市的我們這林園這個養那個石斑魚,好啊,這以前我怎麼做配種呢?我就牧師,這個A跟B比較好,我把它配種。現在呢這樣不行了,我就引進速發部,我說速發部你來補助,因為農業部他聽不懂。好,我說你就在,我就找了速發部補助了。\n\n08:16.897 --> 08:26.500\n一、本院委員楊瓊瓔等18人擬具:「農村再生條例第七條及第十五條條文修正草案：立法院第12次全體委員會及第十五條條文修正草案：立法院議員楊瓊瓔等19人擬具:「農村再生條例第七條及第十五條條文修正草案：立法院議員楊瓊瓔等19人擬具:「農村再生條例第十五條條文修正草案：立法院議員楊瓊瓔等19人擬具:「農村再生條例第十五條條條文修正草案：立法院議員楊瓊瓔等19人擬具\n\n08:33.302 --> 08:35.143\n案二、本院委員楊瓊瓔等19人擬具«農村再生條例第七條條文\n\n08:52.159 --> 08:54.740\n所以這就是基因定序的一個物種啊我們的我敢講目前在動物在植物或者這個養殖業他是不受氣候的我們是可以給予他氣候因子而讓他有優生學所以這個本席所講的智慧農業掌握基因定序這件事情以發展調適科學講的其實就是我們農業的優生學\n\n09:22.671 --> 09:38.127\n農業的優生學才能去適應我的現在的極端氣候變化這樣的政策你應該重新規劃才對所以我這邊幾個兩個重點請農業部參考本期之前所質詢的掌握種源基因定序的概念從源頭掌握\n\n09:38.607 --> 10:05.234\n以調適科學調整農食找出適應的物種研究可因應極端氣候的經濟作物耐寒耐熱耐旱以因應氣候變遷除了補助之外政府也應該有全新的政策規劃讓智慧化農業的智慧化精準化協助農民在氣候變遷時代也能夠種植跟豐收另外你補助也要讓人民有感啊\n\n10:06.041 --> 10:08.763\n除了發展這個東西之外改變我們的這個物種之外我氣候變遷常態農業部對農產品的摘損也應該化被動為主動你們現在農業處被動的等待地方政府呈報好然後呢應改為主動要求各縣市政府在第一時間農村產生的時候\n\n10:26.215 --> 10:33.600\n你就應該跟我中央這個聯繫啟動災損評估針主動補助光是我這一句話就是你智慧化農業決策的體制你就要導入了然後確保農民的生計不要等到民怨沸騰的這個媒體報導了然後我們各黨各派的立委\n\n10:47.529 --> 11:01.760\n一直給你打電話好你政府才去補助連解決民怨你都要預先啊所以你在積極的找出你的調適科學的新物種以及你要補助當中化被動為主動才是你這個繼任的部長該有的這個價值啊\n\n11:03.982 --> 11:31.427\n好部長請回應非常謝謝委員的一個建議那事實上委員所提到的我們百分之百認同就是未來我們在新的政策裡面已經確定了用智慧韌性的這樣的概念把相關的精準農業跟智慧農業去導入到整個的一個產業體系這第一個部分第二個部分就是委員所提到的基因定訊正確的名稱應該講分子育種因為分子育種是在農業上叫分子育種在我們產業這個基因定訊不是只有針對業針對我們人\n\n11:33.667 --> 11:50.167\n所以這是中央研究院、中央研究院的學士我們在做積極的討論所給我的意思我了解就是說我們在產業上面不管在農作物也好或是在水產品也好我們都用分子育種就精準的這些您所講的這些描述的育種方向我們會共同朝這個方向\n\n11:50.948 --> 11:55.573\n那你對於這個補助應該應該納入動物的蟲害還有蟲害病害那另外我們也同步啟動用農業災害的保險去做相關的一個護符\n\n12:09.907 --> 12:24.407\n法規還是法規面啊?你們如果你認為蟲害、病害跟動物入侵是有的,那至少我就依這個辦法,各縣市有所依據啊。不是,這個要先確認齁,是不是納入。所以你要不要研議啊,好不好,帶動研議好不好。好,那部長剛才有回答,要研議齁,請研議好給,送交給我們委員,謝謝。\n\n","segments":[{"start":0.069,"end":1.592,"text":"事由：審查：立法院第11屆第12期經濟委員會第13期經濟委員會的林黛嬅委員請做詢問。"},{"start":13.862,"end":41.182,"text":"部長聽您的這個報告啊這個農村再生條例那你們農業部的立場是什麼是要再撥補多少錢呢在您整個的說明我聽不出到底你是支持三千再撥補三千六百億呢還是再支持四千五百億呢那我個人不太能夠接受說好你要等新政府上任之後因為你是繼任的部長所以你們對於過往的執行狀況"},{"start":42.483,"end":47.265,"text":"檢查：立法院第11屆第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會"},{"start":72.318,"end":76.641,"text":"邱議瑩等19人擬具:「農村再生條例第七條條文修正草案：立法院第11屆第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會"},{"start":98.755,"end":105.839,"text":"你認為說好,我們就只剩下110,按照你的報告是112、113,110幾年就已經只剩下900多、400多億欸一年你們的支出是100億,你們在農村支出一年平均100億,所以你現在只能再撐4年欸"},{"start":116.704,"end":121.246,"text":"所以你的意思是說都不要再補了是嗎?部長對立法院的對話要務實不要實問虛答所以你告訴我你們內部認為最低基準是多少還是說你覺得應該委員提的都太少了我應該撥補五千億"},{"start":136.294,"end":137.235,"text":"我相信每個委員藍綠立委都會接受"},{"start":148.739,"end":162.991,"text":"好了,這個部長,您就要調整一下您作為部長的一個角色。實問虛的這件事情在現在立法院你只會吃虧而已。好,我直接進入今天本席的一個討論的主題,地球暖化。"},{"start":166.434,"end":168.555,"text":"只會讓農業災損成常態也就是我農業的補助也會成為常態我這邊有幾個提綱跟您來討論第一個全球暖化造成的農產品產量減少第二是針對現階段現在4月5月"},{"start":185.982,"end":190.423,"text":"這當中我的農民是多麼的苦。以及面對氣候變遷我除了補助之外政府應該有全新的政策的規劃所以本期有一個具體的要求我們因為氣候暖化所產生的農產品產量減少以台中梨山水蜜桃為例梨山是全台灣水蜜桃最大產量的"},{"start":207.369,"end":229.478,"text":"一年也只有一收,每年七、八月為採收期,現在這個時候四到五月是結果的時期,但農民因為氣候異常,水蜜桃只開花不結果,結果率僅約一成,導致水蜜桃的產量減少,農民收成是銳減的,現在出乎可能少五成,更可能達不到四成。"},{"start":230.718,"end":238.683,"text":"好在看到我的高雄除了台中的這個梨山水蜜桃外我們高雄有多項的農產品喔水蜜桃、青梅、荔枝、芒果也因為氣候異常導致我的開花率、結果率都下降造成收成銳減再加上我又有猕猴大軍的投資包括南麻夏的這個水蜜桃、六龜的芒果、內門的鳳梨跟"},{"start":256.874,"end":275.662,"text":"華臘果園接招彌猴入侵果園,農民被迫放棄採收,損失更加慘重。我忙碌了一整年,是徒勞無功,心血付諸流水。我們的《農業天然災害救助辦法》第四條規定目前僅針對颱風、逢風、龍捲風、豪雨、淫雨、冰庫、冰暴、寒流、旱災及地震所造成的災害"},{"start":284.386,"end":288.69,"text":"給補助請問農業部可否將從後併害動物入侵所造成的損害納入補助範圍呢?這是第一個問題好那我們的這個農民再如何的苦呢?這個都是報紙所報"},{"start":303.481,"end":327.103,"text":"農業部23萬補助防喉,農民職員這是不夠的,而且講到說喉會跟我們人鬥。所以就本席了解,農業部跟我們高雄市政府是有編列經費補助防喉設施電網的,但是對於水蜜桃整個種植面積廣大一甲以上的農民,架設費用高。"},{"start":328.544,"end":344.589,"text":"電費高、設備成本高、補助不足以根本這樣的補助是不足以應付的,是一筆不小的開銷,而且盒子很聰明,不想辦法鑽漏洞,水蜜桃一樣是遭偷吃啊。另外一個報導說花蓮有民眾誤觸電網,慘遭電網啊。"},{"start":349.43,"end":377.496,"text":"這個顯現我們電網的防制效果有限而且民眾因為誤觸請這邊我就要請農業部研擬更合適的防堵方法讓農民跟動物能夠共存好面對這樣的氣候變遷我除了補助之外本席一再的強調應該要有全新的政策規劃我們來看左邊這張圖高雄市的南馬小的桃我們的水壁桃的作物從這個是你們自己的官網喔"},{"start":379.197,"end":389.304,"text":"109年我的喇嘛俠的是每公頃的收量,其實整個栽種面積我沒有增加。這個面積的收量從109年的每6339公頃每公頃6300累減到111年不過短短兩年的時間,我每公頃的收量降到3270減半。"},{"start":401.852,"end":414.745,"text":"全球暖化氣候升高已經即是不爭的事實,農產品的產量逐漸降低,農業部所推廣的智慧農業你們都集中在哪裡?叫做自動化,而且你的自動化也是在這個農機小型農機的一個自動化的推廣"},{"start":418.488,"end":434.8,"text":"雖然可以省時省力大面積的種植,但是呢,針對氣候問題持續的惡化,農產品收成不佳,這個不會是因為你自動化的關係會有所改善。所以面對極端氣候的影響,農業部應將智慧農業的重點放在智慧化。"},{"start":437.882,"end":460.892,"text":"基因準化來提升產能以協助農民來因應其變化。」更重要的我一再強調我整個農業的決策整個系統都應該要智慧化這已經今天再加上這一次我至少是五次以上在質詢這個議題的農業部應該參考本期之前所質詢的掌握種源基因定序為主軸以調適科學為架構調整農時找出適應的物種針對耐寒"},{"start":466.974,"end":473.299,"text":"耐熱、耐旱等不同極端氣候的情形發展出不同的物種技術,以令農民來因應未來的氣候。」我就舉一個案例,我在高雄市的我們這林園這個養那個石斑魚,好啊,這以前我怎麼做配種呢?我就牧師,這個A跟B比較好,我把它配種。現在呢這樣不行了,我就引進速發部,我說速發部你來補助,因為農業部他聽不懂。好,我說你就在,我就找了速發部補助了。"},{"start":496.897,"end":506.5,"text":"一、本院委員楊瓊瓔等18人擬具:「農村再生條例第七條及第十五條條文修正草案：立法院第12次全體委員會及第十五條條文修正草案：立法院議員楊瓊瓔等19人擬具:「農村再生條例第七條及第十五條條文修正草案：立法院議員楊瓊瓔等19人擬具:「農村再生條例第十五條條文修正草案：立法院議員楊瓊瓔等19人擬具:「農村再生條例第十五條條條文修正草案：立法院議員楊瓊瓔等19人擬具"},{"start":513.302,"end":515.143,"text":"案 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