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00:01:43,791\n那我想請教一下部長你知道馬英九總統第一任的國安會秘書長是誰蘇起如果蘇起自封炒架王不管在國會還是在社群臉書他掛著彩帶揚揚得意自封炒架王那個不是我自封的那個是媒體給我的一個幽默部長我給你一個勸告如果你不認同這件事情真的不要掛那個彩帶這點你認同嗎\n\n6\n00:01:46,133 --> 00:02:03,308\n這個是記者給我的一個幽默彩帶總不是記者給你的吧彩帶是記者給我的彩帶是寄給你不要掛在身上嘛他們希望能夠掛在身上跟我照相這是一個幽默好嗎他叫你掛在身上就掛在身上沒關係啦我再問另外一個你總不能推給記者\n\n7\n00:02:04,289 --> 00:02:14,008\n我沒有推給記者我另外一個啦不是這一個啦這個你推給記者沒關係啦另外一個你總不能推給記者你在徐曉欣執行的時候連嗆八次來告我藐視國會啊\n\n8\n00:02:15,902 --> 00:02:38,201\n那我想請問如果是蘇起他會講這種話嗎?我不確定他不會講這種話?因為蘇起不會到立法院如果蘇起對著民進黨的立委講說來告我藐視國會阿你覺得民進黨的立委會接受嗎?以後我到國安會的時候也不會再到立法院來那沒關係阿歐鴻烈外交部長如果對著民進黨的立委講說你告我藐視國會阿民進黨的立委會接受嗎?\n\n9\n00:02:39,362 --> 00:03:01,412\n我不確定我告訴你們一下你不會接受啦你不要講民進黨的立委不會接受馬英九總統也不會接受啦基本上馬英九總統過去的政府慣例如果對國會用這種羞辱的方式的話我看恐怕也待不下去不只是蘇起喔蘇起是一個有涵養的人他不會講這種話所以蘇起不會講蘇起也是一個尊重國會的人他也不會講這種話\n\n10\n00:03:02,853 --> 00:03:26,120\n但是國安會秘書長何其重要的職務今天如果自詡為就算是被封很開心的戴上了吵架王的這個披帶然後在國會嗆這個你來告我藐視國會我就要問我們的部長啊未來的國安會秘書長那金澤總統認同你嗆立委說來告我藐視國會嗎\n\n11\n00:03:28,643 --> 00:03:33,428\n賴清德總統認同嗎?你不會問他?你沒有問他?那你覺得他會認同嗎?沒關係啊,等他國情報告來看看,我也想看看他認不認同啦認不認同一個官員直接嗆來告我藐視國會賴清德會支持你掛著彩帶到國會或是在社群上說我就是吵架王啊,他會認同嗎?\n\n12\n00:03:53,412 --> 00:04:11,560\n我再說明一次就是說那個是最後一次跟記者做背景說明他們送給我的一個幽默我真的重點是一件事情部長你聽聽看聽我一句勸你站在這個地方其實代表的不只是吳釗燮\n\n13\n00:04:13,769 --> 00:04:38,422\n你代表的是蔡英文總統現在此時此刻因為蔡英文總統任命為外交部長你也代表未來的賴清德總統當選的因為你是他的第一任國安會秘書長我真的覺得你不應該給你的總統蔡英文總統跟賴清德總統還沒上任賴清德總統就被你添加一個藐視國會的這個所謂的集團的頭子的名字不好啦\n\n14\n00:04:38,982 --> 00:04:42,164\n能不能回應一下我對國會是非常的尊重國會阿珊institution\n\n15\n00:05:04,475 --> 00:05:11,361\n因為我也是政治學者,我對這個非常瞭解,非常的尊重。所以像主席叫我來,本來說今天不用來了,可是主席叫我來,我就來,這個就是對國會的最高度的尊重。就像隔壁我們的司法委員會,蔡新祥部長就跑掉了,這個我就沒辦法認同,我肯定你站在這個地方。\n\n16\n00:05:25,672 --> 00:05:40,566\n那我要跟部長說還是那句話你在這裡代表的其實不只你自己啦你說你尊重國會那就不要用一些讓大家覺得你不尊重國會的詞彙嘛你覺得你來告我藐視國會你覺得是尊重國會嗎\n\n17\n00:05:43,157 --> 00:06:09,866\n那個委員我必須要再說明一下我跟部長講其實我很尊重你啦尊敬你啦我對這個institution這個絕對是沒有問題但是individual就是個人跟這個institution這是兩個不同的概念我對國會的這個尊重這是無庸置疑的許曉鑫今天站在執行台請問他是許曉鑫站在執行台嗎羅智強站在執行台是羅智強站在執行台嗎\n\n18\n00:06:11,164 --> 00:06:38,369\n我們是按照憲政執行我們的執行權欸那照你的說法的話如果今天過去的官員不尊重王定宇委員我可以就說我今天所有的對藐視國會行為指重的王定宇委員我可以這樣講嗎?不可以嘛好那我要再來講我想請教一下部長齁那個你知道前處長會副主委張天青自詡東廠引發軒然大波齁他有一句名言叫影射的殺傷力最強你聽過嗎?\n\n19\n00:06:42,060 --> 00:07:03,476\n張天青東廠張天青非常有名沒關係因為這個人不值得效法所以基本上你不記得他也沒關係那你認同張天青用影射的方式攻擊在野黨人士嗎我不知道那個前後沒有辦法回答沒關係啊那我想請問你當中國在欺負台灣時我國立法委員補進來踢一腳這句話總是你講的吧\n\n20\n00:07:04,766 --> 00:07:09,950\n那我想請教你這句話是有真憑實據真人明信還是影射殺傷?\n\n21\n00:07:13,396 --> 00:07:16,757\n真憑實據當然有啊我在國會裡面接受那個詢問在國會裡面接受這種詢問那有關於我們在國際社會上面受到中國的這種威脅欺壓的時候那我想這種情況是已經經過的很多次了\n\n22\n00:07:40,385 --> 00:07:41,646\n跟委員說明就是說在國會的這個詢問以及平常的這個發言都有記錄\n\n23\n00:07:58,459 --> 00:08:15,417\n有記錄啊那你連真人姓名都講不出來啊這不是影射什麼是影射我這邊還是奉勸部長啊你身為政府官員講話今天要負責任你今天如果真的覺得有立委配合中共涉及國安問題的話移送法辦啦\n\n24\n00:08:17,859 --> 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