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00:02:34,326\n每年大概都超過了三萬人以上去逛這個市集。部長我要讓您看的就是說農村再生這過去的十年來我們在地方做了這麼多我現在只單舉在本席的選區裡頭的幾個特殊獲獎的\n\n8\n00:02:37,310 --> 00:02:55,548\n那剛剛您提到這個我們知道這個經費大概在四年之後就會沒有了所以政府的立場上面會不會持續執行農村再生的計畫那農業部的版本有沒有什麼時候會送到立法院來部長\n\n9\n00:02:56,129 --> 00:03:11,078\n好謝謝委員我想也謝謝委員分享這樣的一個農村再生的就至少在高盆地區的一個成果那事實上農村再生它背後所的經費的資源就是我們的農村再生的一個基金那這樣的一個基金的確\n\n10\n00:03:12,499 --> 00:03:27,052\n讓我們有更多的資源能夠投入在農村的各項的一個建設包括基礎的一個環境建設還有人文景觀的一個持續那更重要就是透過一些現在導入的這些綠色造物也能夠讓農村的這些\n\n11\n00:03:28,362 --> 00:03:54,853\n租住在裡面的農村的青年人也好或者老年人也好能夠健康的老化那種種的農村的再生一定會繼續做那以農業部的立場就是我們經費的爭取我們一定會循著我們的預算程序向我們的行政院爭取就像我們的公務預算我們其他的基金的預算也是一樣我們會向行政院爭取那行政院如果說同意我們的相關的方案的時候那方案未來也是四年一個方案\n\n12\n00:03:55,413 --> 00:04:07,322\n那就像我們這次的11到113我們也是抱怨那抱怨提供以後那如果基金未來經費不足的時候那相關的行政院就會另外籌措預算來提供這樣的一個經費\n\n13\n00:04:10,446 --> 00:04:26,380\n雖然本席的提案裡頭是有直接明列希望你們把這個基金預算增加到4500億但後來我翻查了一下這個大概跟我們的財政紀律法其實是有一點相違背所以這個部分本席不堅持\n\n14\n00:04:27,321 --> 00:04:48,652\n但是我要您承諾的部分就是說農村再生的計劃其實是會持續做然後經費的部分農業部也會持續的來跟行政院爭取我想行政院對於這樣的一個農村發展的計劃應該是要給予全力的支持跟配合這整個不只是\n\n15\n00:04:49,372 --> 00:05:07,447\n在整個農村甚至整個農宅、農村的景觀、地方的創生、青年返鄉的就業等等其實都是要一併考量規劃但是部長我還要再跟您提醒一下過去做農村再生通常都會做這種彩繪牆、塗鴉牆\n\n16\n00:05:10,550 --> 00:05:31,688\n整個農村的牆面就畫一大堆但是畫來畫去都是畫日本的卡通人物版權有沒有拿到不知道三、五年後整個褪色又很醜也不知道要不要補或者是怎麼補然後這個跟比如說哆啦A夢或者是這個哆啦A夢這個龍貓跟這個社區的連結是什麼沒有\n\n17\n00:05:32,449 --> 00:05:36,055\n事由：審查：立法院第11屆第12會期經濟委員會第12次全體委員會及第十五條條文修正草案案。\n\n18\n00:05:45,467 --> 00:06:12,232\n是,這一定的,我想委員所秀的這個東西應該是在早期在大概民國100年那個一開始啟動的時候那時候大家不是非常清楚所以很多彩繪就不管怎麼樣現在還是有欸對,但是現在我們整個的一個彩繪跟裝置藝術其實地方的一個重要的裝置藝術跟彩繪的部分它是在在特定的地區而有的特定的我們的台灣的文化的導致\n\n19\n00:06:12,852 --> 00:06:24,364\n對,你還是要跟地方去做連結啊。比如說,像在內門他們做了很多宋江鎮的彩繪或是宋江鎮的裝置藝術,你這個跟地方的連結性就有。但你做哆啦A夢跟哆哆囉這個跟地方的連結性是沒有的嘛。部長我接下來要跟您請教一個現在的農業的狀態。\n\n20\n00:06:36,235 --> 00:06:36,255\n案。\n\n21\n00:06:58,349 --> 00:07:00,132\n一、本院委員楊瓊瓔等18人擬具:「農村再生條例第十五條條文\n\n22\n00:07:13,704 --> 00:07:29,684\n還有一個呢就是我們去收集那個蟲巷這個荔枝村巷的這個蟲卵片最近好像把這個政策停掉了可不可以說明一下除了我們的整個荔枝村巷的房子除了剛剛講這幾個以外還有沒有什麼新的方法\n\n23\n00:07:30,705 --> 00:07:59,665\n我跟委員說明就是當初有在跟地方政府在合作就是收購這個荔枝村巷的軟片它的葉片的下面那個時間點剛好是我們在相關的荔枝村巷的貧富小峰的物理性防治還沒有很健全而且還沒有很推廣的時候我們是搭配這些同軟的一個收購那現在貧富小峰本身的一個技術性已經非常成熟了所以我們現在是用化學防治\n\n24\n00:08:00,445 --> 00:08:19,817\n跟我們的物理防治共同。那現在最重要的就是不管是化學防治或物理防治一定要區域防治。如果個別的農田去防治的時候那個效果不顯著。所以你們會結合當地的縣市政府、農業局或者是農會、或者是產砂班。用區域防治、大區域防治的方式共同來啟動。\n\n25\n00:08:21,097 --> 00:08:48,073\n我最後30秒我要講的就是說剛剛講到那個荔枝春香你們很多的防治方法最近聽說你們林業署多了一個防治方法就是把它抓來然後炸來吃喔不然這個有一點本末倒置我知道很多的泰國籍的勞工會喜歡吃荔枝春香其實在我們農村地區很多他們都會找泰籍的勞工來幫忙抓荔枝春香但是吃荔枝春香是他們的文化不是我們的文化\n\n26\n00:08:48,673 --> 00:09:10,395\n那我們要去講求這個病蟲害的防治不應該去推廣所謂的叫大家來了解說怎麼樣去炸荔枝春香然後可以來吃這個是嚴重違法的行為即使做病蟲害防治我們都不應該自己帶頭去處罰所以部長這個可能也要請你們多多的督促我也覺得不恰當所以我已經有跟他們講\n\n27\n00:09:11,576 --> 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«農村再生條例第七條及第十五條條文\n141610\t154326\t每年大概都超過了三萬人以上去逛這個市集。部長我要讓您看的就是說農村再生這過去的十年來我們在地方做了這麼多我現在只單舉在本席的選區裡頭的幾個特殊獲獎的\n157310\t175548\t那剛剛您提到這個我們知道這個經費大概在四年之後就會沒有了所以政府的立場上面會不會持續執行農村再生的計畫那農業部的版本有沒有什麼時候會送到立法院來部長\n176129\t191078\t好謝謝委員我想也謝謝委員分享這樣的一個農村再生的就至少在高盆地區的一個成果那事實上農村再生它背後所的經費的資源就是我們的農村再生的一個基金那這樣的一個基金的確\n192499\t207052\t讓我們有更多的資源能夠投入在農村的各項的一個建設包括基礎的一個環境建設還有人文景觀的一個持續那更重要就是透過一些現在導入的這些綠色造物也能夠讓農村的這些\n208362\t234853\t租住在裡面的農村的青年人也好或者老年人也好能夠健康的老化那種種的農村的再生一定會繼續做那以農業部的立場就是我們經費的爭取我們一定會循著我們的預算程序向我們的行政院爭取就像我們的公務預算我們其他的基金的預算也是一樣我們會向行政院爭取那行政院如果說同意我們的相關的方案的時候那方案未來也是四年一個方案\n235413\t247322\t那就像我們這次的11到113我們也是抱怨那抱怨提供以後那如果基金未來經費不足的時候那相關的行政院就會另外籌措預算來提供這樣的一個經費\n250446\t266380\t雖然本席的提案裡頭是有直接明列希望你們把這個基金預算增加到4500億但後來我翻查了一下這個大概跟我們的財政紀律法其實是有一點相違背所以這個部分本席不堅持\n267321\t288652\t但是我要您承諾的部分就是說農村再生的計劃其實是會持續做然後經費的部分農業部也會持續的來跟行政院爭取我想行政院對於這樣的一個農村發展的計劃應該是要給予全力的支持跟配合這整個不只是\n289372\t307447\t在整個農村甚至整個農宅、農村的景觀、地方的創生、青年返鄉的就業等等其實都是要一併考量規劃但是部長我還要再跟您提醒一下過去做農村再生通常都會做這種彩繪牆、塗鴉牆\n310550\t331688\t整個農村的牆面就畫一大堆但是畫來畫去都是畫日本的卡通人物版權有沒有拿到不知道三、五年後整個褪色又很醜也不知道要不要補或者是怎麼補然後這個跟比如說哆啦A夢或者是這個哆啦A夢這個龍貓跟這個社區的連結是什麼沒有\n332449\t336055\t事由：審查：立法院第11屆第12會期經濟委員會第12次全體委員會及第十五條條文修正草案案。\n345467\t372232\t是,這一定的,我想委員所秀的這個東西應該是在早期在大概民國100年那個一開始啟動的時候那時候大家不是非常清楚所以很多彩繪就不管怎麼樣現在還是有欸對,但是現在我們整個的一個彩繪跟裝置藝術其實地方的一個重要的裝置藝術跟彩繪的部分它是在在特定的地區而有的特定的我們的台灣的文化的導致\n372852\t384364\t對,你還是要跟地方去做連結啊。比如說,像在內門他們做了很多宋江鎮的彩繪或是宋江鎮的裝置藝術,你這個跟地方的連結性就有。但你做哆啦A夢跟哆哆囉這個跟地方的連結性是沒有的嘛。部長我接下來要跟您請教一個現在的農業的狀態。\n396235\t396255\t案。\n418349\t420132\t一、本院委員楊瓊瓔等18人擬具:「農村再生條例第十五條條文\n433704\t449684\t還有一個呢就是我們去收集那個蟲巷這個荔枝村巷的這個蟲卵片最近好像把這個政策停掉了可不可以說明一下除了我們的整個荔枝村巷的房子除了剛剛講這幾個以外還有沒有什麼新的方法\n450705\t479665\t我跟委員說明就是當初有在跟地方政府在合作就是收購這個荔枝村巷的軟片它的葉片的下面那個時間點剛好是我們在相關的荔枝村巷的貧富小峰的物理性防治還沒有很健全而且還沒有很推廣的時候我們是搭配這些同軟的一個收購那現在貧富小峰本身的一個技術性已經非常成熟了所以我們現在是用化學防治\n480445\t499817\t跟我們的物理防治共同。那現在最重要的就是不管是化學防治或物理防治一定要區域防治。如果個別的農田去防治的時候那個效果不顯著。所以你們會結合當地的縣市政府、農業局或者是農會、或者是產砂班。用區域防治、大區域防治的方式共同來啟動。\n501097\t528073\t我最後30秒我要講的就是說剛剛講到那個荔枝春香你們很多的防治方法最近聽說你們林業署多了一個防治方法就是把它抓來然後炸來吃喔不然這個有一點本末倒置我知道很多的泰國籍的勞工會喜歡吃荔枝春香其實在我們農村地區很多他們都會找泰籍的勞工來幫忙抓荔枝春香但是吃荔枝春香是他們的文化不是我們的文化\n528673\t550395\t那我們要去講求這個病蟲害的防治不應該去推廣所謂的叫大家來了解說怎麼樣去炸荔枝春香然後可以來吃這個是嚴重違法的行為即使做病蟲害防治我們都不應該自己帶頭去處罰所以部長這個可能也要請你們多多的督促我也覺得不恰當所以我已經有跟他們講\n551576\t567674\t我們在病蟲化防制不能把那些蟲變成一個料理,這樣的話會造成一些外界的困擾所以這件事情我覺得可能還是要督促下去請以後的這些單位如果在做病蟲害防制的宣導的時候有一些基本的原則還是要能夠拿捏好\n","txt":"議員請做選擇。\n修正草案\n這個是我們高雄市農業局在今年二月份他舉辦了2023高雄農村再生社區成果發表展那我們大概做了一本書這個大概是他的目錄農村再生計畫呢\n我們的岐山糖廠社區曾經得到了金牌農村第一名。那這個社區其實很好玩,就是說這一些包括鄭宇軒執行長他們去創造了一個體驗物產的直賣所,然後把盈餘的20%回饋到基層的老人照顧裡頭。所以糖廠社區算是在做老人長照跟做社區營造跟做農村再生算是佼佼者。\n讓您再看一下六龜新發社區這個是88風災的受災最嚴重的一個地方但是我們現在把台灣的特種山茶把它做研發我們做成了六龜原生山茶不只這個社區得到了農村領航獎我們把六龜山茶送到國外去比賽還獲得比利時ITI的國際評鑑風味最高評價三星獎他們去年一共拿到了八顆星星這個社區做的山茶\n其三、本院委員楊瓊瓔等18人擬具 «農村再生條例第七條及第十五條條文\n每年大概都超過了三萬人以上去逛這個市集。部長我要讓您看的就是說農村再生這過去的十年來我們在地方做了這麼多我現在只單舉在本席的選區裡頭的幾個特殊獲獎的\n那剛剛您提到這個我們知道這個經費大概在四年之後就會沒有了所以政府的立場上面會不會持續執行農村再生的計畫那農業部的版本有沒有什麼時候會送到立法院來部長\n好謝謝委員我想也謝謝委員分享這樣的一個農村再生的就至少在高盆地區的一個成果那事實上農村再生它背後所的經費的資源就是我們的農村再生的一個基金那這樣的一個基金的確\n讓我們有更多的資源能夠投入在農村的各項的一個建設包括基礎的一個環境建設還有人文景觀的一個持續那更重要就是透過一些現在導入的這些綠色造物也能夠讓農村的這些\n租住在裡面的農村的青年人也好或者老年人也好能夠健康的老化那種種的農村的再生一定會繼續做那以農業部的立場就是我們經費的爭取我們一定會循著我們的預算程序向我們的行政院爭取就像我們的公務預算我們其他的基金的預算也是一樣我們會向行政院爭取那行政院如果說同意我們的相關的方案的時候那方案未來也是四年一個方案\n那就像我們這次的11到113我們也是抱怨那抱怨提供以後那如果基金未來經費不足的時候那相關的行政院就會另外籌措預算來提供這樣的一個經費\n雖然本席的提案裡頭是有直接明列希望你們把這個基金預算增加到4500億但後來我翻查了一下這個大概跟我們的財政紀律法其實是有一點相違背所以這個部分本席不堅持\n但是我要您承諾的部分就是說農村再生的計劃其實是會持續做然後經費的部分農業部也會持續的來跟行政院爭取我想行政院對於這樣的一個農村發展的計劃應該是要給予全力的支持跟配合這整個不只是\n在整個農村甚至整個農宅、農村的景觀、地方的創生、青年返鄉的就業等等其實都是要一併考量規劃但是部長我還要再跟您提醒一下過去做農村再生通常都會做這種彩繪牆、塗鴉牆\n整個農村的牆面就畫一大堆但是畫來畫去都是畫日本的卡通人物版權有沒有拿到不知道三、五年後整個褪色又很醜也不知道要不要補或者是怎麼補然後這個跟比如說哆啦A夢或者是這個哆啦A夢這個龍貓跟這個社區的連結是什麼沒有\n事由：審查：立法院第11屆第12會期經濟委員會第12次全體委員會及第十五條條文修正草案案。\n是,這一定的,我想委員所秀的這個東西應該是在早期在大概民國100年那個一開始啟動的時候那時候大家不是非常清楚所以很多彩繪就不管怎麼樣現在還是有欸對,但是現在我們整個的一個彩繪跟裝置藝術其實地方的一個重要的裝置藝術跟彩繪的部分它是在在特定的地區而有的特定的我們的台灣的文化的導致\n對,你還是要跟地方去做連結啊。比如說,像在內門他們做了很多宋江鎮的彩繪或是宋江鎮的裝置藝術,你這個跟地方的連結性就有。但你做哆啦A夢跟哆哆囉這個跟地方的連結性是沒有的嘛。部長我接下來要跟您請教一個現在的農業的狀態。\n案。\n一、本院委員楊瓊瓔等18人擬具:「農村再生條例第十五條條文\n還有一個呢就是我們去收集那個蟲巷這個荔枝村巷的這個蟲卵片最近好像把這個政策停掉了可不可以說明一下除了我們的整個荔枝村巷的房子除了剛剛講這幾個以外還有沒有什麼新的方法\n我跟委員說明就是當初有在跟地方政府在合作就是收購這個荔枝村巷的軟片它的葉片的下面那個時間點剛好是我們在相關的荔枝村巷的貧富小峰的物理性防治還沒有很健全而且還沒有很推廣的時候我們是搭配這些同軟的一個收購那現在貧富小峰本身的一個技術性已經非常成熟了所以我們現在是用化學防治\n跟我們的物理防治共同。那現在最重要的就是不管是化學防治或物理防治一定要區域防治。如果個別的農田去防治的時候那個效果不顯著。所以你們會結合當地的縣市政府、農業局或者是農會、或者是產砂班。用區域防治、大區域防治的方式共同來啟動。\n我最後30秒我要講的就是說剛剛講到那個荔枝春香你們很多的防治方法最近聽說你們林業署多了一個防治方法就是把它抓來然後炸來吃喔不然這個有一點本末倒置我知道很多的泰國籍的勞工會喜歡吃荔枝春香其實在我們農村地區很多他們都會找泰籍的勞工來幫忙抓荔枝春香但是吃荔枝春香是他們的文化不是我們的文化\n那我們要去講求這個病蟲害的防治不應該去推廣所謂的叫大家來了解說怎麼樣去炸荔枝春香然後可以來吃這個是嚴重違法的行為即使做病蟲害防治我們都不應該自己帶頭去處罰所以部長這個可能也要請你們多多的督促我也覺得不恰當所以我已經有跟他們講\n我們在病蟲化防制不能把那些蟲變成一個料理,這樣的話會造成一些外界的困擾所以這件事情我覺得可能還是要督促下去請以後的這些單位如果在做病蟲害防制的宣導的時候有一些基本的原則還是要能夠拿捏好\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.080 --> 00:00.100\n議員請做選擇。\n\n00:23.358 --> 00:23.578\n修正草案\n\n00:40.901 --> 00:55.960\n這個是我們高雄市農業局在今年二月份他舉辦了2023高雄農村再生社區成果發表展那我們大概做了一本書這個大概是他的目錄農村再生計畫呢\n\n00:58.271 --> 01:25.337\n我們的岐山糖廠社區曾經得到了金牌農村第一名。那這個社區其實很好玩,就是說這一些包括鄭宇軒執行長他們去創造了一個體驗物產的直賣所,然後把盈餘的20%回饋到基層的老人照顧裡頭。所以糖廠社區算是在做老人長照跟做社區營造跟做農村再生算是佼佼者。\n\n01:26.477 --> 01:55.709\n讓您再看一下六龜新發社區這個是88風災的受災最嚴重的一個地方但是我們現在把台灣的特種山茶把它做研發我們做成了六龜原生山茶不只這個社區得到了農村領航獎我們把六龜山茶送到國外去比賽還獲得比利時ITI的國際評鑑風味最高評價三星獎他們去年一共拿到了八顆星星這個社區做的山茶\n\n01:56.850 --> 01:58.471\n其三、本院委員楊瓊瓔等18人擬具«農村再生條例第七條及第十五條條文\n\n02:21.610 --> 02:34.326\n每年大概都超過了三萬人以上去逛這個市集。部長我要讓您看的就是說農村再生這過去的十年來我們在地方做了這麼多我現在只單舉在本席的選區裡頭的幾個特殊獲獎的\n\n02:37.310 --> 02:55.548\n那剛剛您提到這個我們知道這個經費大概在四年之後就會沒有了所以政府的立場上面會不會持續執行農村再生的計畫那農業部的版本有沒有什麼時候會送到立法院來部長\n\n02:56.129 --> 03:11.078\n好謝謝委員我想也謝謝委員分享這樣的一個農村再生的就至少在高盆地區的一個成果那事實上農村再生它背後所的經費的資源就是我們的農村再生的一個基金那這樣的一個基金的確\n\n03:12.499 --> 03:27.052\n讓我們有更多的資源能夠投入在農村的各項的一個建設包括基礎的一個環境建設還有人文景觀的一個持續那更重要就是透過一些現在導入的這些綠色造物也能夠讓農村的這些\n\n03:28.362 --> 03:54.853\n租住在裡面的農村的青年人也好或者老年人也好能夠健康的老化那種種的農村的再生一定會繼續做那以農業部的立場就是我們經費的爭取我們一定會循著我們的預算程序向我們的行政院爭取就像我們的公務預算我們其他的基金的預算也是一樣我們會向行政院爭取那行政院如果說同意我們的相關的方案的時候那方案未來也是四年一個方案\n\n03:55.413 --> 04:07.322\n那就像我們這次的11到113我們也是抱怨那抱怨提供以後那如果基金未來經費不足的時候那相關的行政院就會另外籌措預算來提供這樣的一個經費\n\n04:10.446 --> 04:26.380\n雖然本席的提案裡頭是有直接明列希望你們把這個基金預算增加到4500億但後來我翻查了一下這個大概跟我們的財政紀律法其實是有一點相違背所以這個部分本席不堅持\n\n04:27.321 --> 04:48.652\n但是我要您承諾的部分就是說農村再生的計劃其實是會持續做然後經費的部分農業部也會持續的來跟行政院爭取我想行政院對於這樣的一個農村發展的計劃應該是要給予全力的支持跟配合這整個不只是\n\n04:49.372 --> 05:07.447\n在整個農村甚至整個農宅、農村的景觀、地方的創生、青年返鄉的就業等等其實都是要一併考量規劃但是部長我還要再跟您提醒一下過去做農村再生通常都會做這種彩繪牆、塗鴉牆\n\n05:10.550 --> 05:31.688\n整個農村的牆面就畫一大堆但是畫來畫去都是畫日本的卡通人物版權有沒有拿到不知道三、五年後整個褪色又很醜也不知道要不要補或者是怎麼補然後這個跟比如說哆啦A夢或者是這個哆啦A夢這個龍貓跟這個社區的連結是什麼沒有\n\n05:32.449 --> 05:36.055\n事由：審查：立法院第11屆第12會期經濟委員會第12次全體委員會及第十五條條文修正草案案。\n\n05:45.467 --> 06:12.232\n是,這一定的,我想委員所秀的這個東西應該是在早期在大概民國100年那個一開始啟動的時候那時候大家不是非常清楚所以很多彩繪就不管怎麼樣現在還是有欸對,但是現在我們整個的一個彩繪跟裝置藝術其實地方的一個重要的裝置藝術跟彩繪的部分它是在在特定的地區而有的特定的我們的台灣的文化的導致\n\n06:12.852 --> 06:24.364\n對,你還是要跟地方去做連結啊。比如說,像在內門他們做了很多宋江鎮的彩繪或是宋江鎮的裝置藝術,你這個跟地方的連結性就有。但你做哆啦A夢跟哆哆囉這個跟地方的連結性是沒有的嘛。部長我接下來要跟您請教一個現在的農業的狀態。\n\n06:36.235 --> 06:36.255\n案。\n\n06:58.349 --> 07:00.132\n一、本院委員楊瓊瓔等18人擬具:「農村再生條例第十五條條文\n\n07:13.704 --> 07:29.684\n還有一個呢就是我們去收集那個蟲巷這個荔枝村巷的這個蟲卵片最近好像把這個政策停掉了可不可以說明一下除了我們的整個荔枝村巷的房子除了剛剛講這幾個以外還有沒有什麼新的方法\n\n07:30.705 --> 07:59.665\n我跟委員說明就是當初有在跟地方政府在合作就是收購這個荔枝村巷的軟片它的葉片的下面那個時間點剛好是我們在相關的荔枝村巷的貧富小峰的物理性防治還沒有很健全而且還沒有很推廣的時候我們是搭配這些同軟的一個收購那現在貧富小峰本身的一個技術性已經非常成熟了所以我們現在是用化學防治\n\n08:00.445 --> 08:19.817\n跟我們的物理防治共同。那現在最重要的就是不管是化學防治或物理防治一定要區域防治。如果個別的農田去防治的時候那個效果不顯著。所以你們會結合當地的縣市政府、農業局或者是農會、或者是產砂班。用區域防治、大區域防治的方式共同來啟動。\n\n08:21.097 --> 08:48.073\n我最後30秒我要講的就是說剛剛講到那個荔枝春香你們很多的防治方法最近聽說你們林業署多了一個防治方法就是把它抓來然後炸來吃喔不然這個有一點本末倒置我知道很多的泰國籍的勞工會喜歡吃荔枝春香其實在我們農村地區很多他們都會找泰籍的勞工來幫忙抓荔枝春香但是吃荔枝春香是他們的文化不是我們的文化\n\n08:48.673 --> 09:10.395\n那我們要去講求這個病蟲害的防治不應該去推廣所謂的叫大家來了解說怎麼樣去炸荔枝春香然後可以來吃這個是嚴重違法的行為即使做病蟲害防治我們都不應該自己帶頭去處罰所以部長這個可能也要請你們多多的督促我也覺得不恰當所以我已經有跟他們講\n\n09:11.576 --> 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