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00:00:06,112\n我們繼續請賴樂榮委員請做詢問好謝謝主席請陳部長我們再請陳部長好部長好\n\n2\n00:00:16,272 --> 00:00:39,798\n我們今天處理農村再生條例那其實大概比較關鍵的條文是在第七條的部分這過去大概政府其實有在條文上訂了編了1500億但是其他大概有些委員們希望來提高這個額度那我先問一下過去雖然編了1500億但是從101年開始其實分了四次都有編列進來都有補進來我看到了這個從300多億實際200多億200多億400\n\n3\n00:00:47,601 --> 00:01:12,222\n276、287、420,到了今年的二月也再補了432億進來。所以這個到了2027年應該是都沒有問題。所以我想關鍵不是在這個額度多少,關鍵是在政府是不是有不斷的撥補進來。你有撥補進來的話這些金額就都夠用。所以其實從這樣看來其實關鍵的問題不在於把1500億往上調升多少,而是在其實政府要不斷的持續撥補進來。\n\n4\n00:01:13,723 --> 00:01:27,491\n我根本說明就是以現在目前因為農村再生剛好因應外界現在目前的這些極端天候的挑戰所以我們更積極的去讓農村去復育的過程中大概每一年平均大概是大概100億上下\n\n5\n00:01:29,933 --> 00:01:49,271\n那以這樣的一個經費規模如果未來基金如果餘額不足的時候我們會循我們的行政程序將年度的四年級的計畫去抱怨來請證那合定的時候就會循預算程序來編列這樣的話也可以達到就是說我們同樣去執行相關的這些\n\n6\n00:01:50,012 --> 00:02:00,515\n事由：審查：立法院第11屆第12會期經濟委員會第12屆第13會期經濟委員會第14會期經濟委員會第15會期經濟委員會第16會期經濟委員會第17會期經濟委員會第17會期經濟委員會第18會期經濟委員會第18會期經濟委員會第18會期經濟委員會第18會期經濟委員會第19會期經濟委員會第19會期經濟委員會第19會期經濟委員會第19會期經濟委員會第20會期經濟委員會第20會期經濟委員會第21會期經濟委員會第22會期經濟委員會第22會期經濟委員會第23\n\n7\n00:02:07,637 --> 00:02:25,643\n不夠用的時候政府會持續在撥不進啦。對,因為我想農村再生計畫的一個成果我想大家都看得到,所以我相信這樣的一個經費的未來的提出的時候我相信應該會得到一個支持。對,因為你們部裡面也是希望能夠維持這樣的1500億這樣的規模就可以啦齁?對。其實你不會影響到再生能源這個基金的問題嗎?對。\n\n8\n00:02:28,618 --> 00:02:50,535\n那再來我請教一下其實另外一個當然也是如果假如最後強行要通過這樣的一個修正案的話因為原先的這個1500億的部分其實是在民國99年來通過的來通過的然後訂定的這也是行政院提出來的版本那現在如果立法院沒有\n\n9\n00:02:51,655 --> 00:02:53,276\n檢查：立法院第11屆第12次全體委員會議：事由：審查：事由：審查：\n\n10\n00:03:15,003 --> 00:03:37,271\n財政紀律法第七條提到,立法機關修正法案的時候不得增訂固定經費的額度,那這個其實也違反財政紀律法的一個相關的規定。部長同意這樣的看法嗎?對,我們針對委員所提的版本,那我剛才也說過了,農業再生的確是需要經費去支持的。\n\n11\n00:03:37,651 --> 00:03:44,114\n議員邱議瑩等19人擬具:「農村再生條例第七條條文修正草案：立法院第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次\n\n12\n00:04:01,423 --> 00:04:21,515\n那行政單位是沒有辦法去預約這樣的一個財政紀律法去給予支持或給予任何的一個comment那問一下部長最近新的國會起來之後很多案子幾乎不太尊重行政院的看法包括行政機關的看法強行通過甚至於把一些預算部分大幅的拉高起來甚至於對整個財政\n\n13\n00:04:22,495 --> 00:04:33,822\n上的問題也不做考慮,這個是違反財政紀律法甚至有違憲的疑慮的,那如果立法院強行通過這樣的法案的話,\n\n14\n00:04:35,851 --> 00:04:55,622\n這個農業部這邊會怎麼處理?我想如果立法院通過這樣的一個版本的話我想行政院應該會有一個比較明確的對策因為基本上立法院通過這個法案是違背相關的這些規定嘛那違背相關的規定的話應該會有一些他們特別的一個處置方式來處理\n\n15\n00:04:58,337 --> 00:05:13,829\n我希望這個還是要積極的做說明我們希望立法院大家在妥善的溝通希望在尊重行政院跟整個體制下的時候因為經費都一定是夠用那關鍵是在政府的撥補不在那個額度的提升額度提得再高政府不撥補其實還是不夠的所以我覺得關鍵還是在撥補我們希望待會來討論的時候能夠做一個處理\n\n16\n00:05:17,571 --> 00:05:17,871\n公糧收購價格\n\n17\n00:05:29,141 --> 00:05:58,036\n公糧的一個收購的部分那其實我想包括我們農業部包括委員我們都希望支持我們農民的一個收入這是一個非常重要的那就稻米的產業來講公糧提高公糧價格只是維護稻農的一個所得的其中的一個方法手段之一但是以我們的評估它不是一個最好的方法因為以過往的經驗我們在100年曾經提高了3塊跟2塊那當年度的確\n\n18\n00:05:59,036 --> 00:06:01,657\n事由：立法院第11屆第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會\n\n19\n00:06:16,045 --> 00:06:44,894\n維持在那樣子那第二個部分是公糧只佔我們所有的稻米裡面的百分之三十事實上是百分之七十是由民間的自營糧來收購的所以怎麼樣去提高民間的自營糧的一個價格產地價格那才是我們應該要去注意的所以農業部現在目前已經有一個陸陸續續在規劃一個比較完整的一個政策去想辦法去提升我們的自營糧的這些資生自營糧的價格\n\n20\n00:06:45,774 --> 00:07:10,157\n那這樣子才能夠讓我們的稻農真正能夠確保它的收入我希望所有的政策的目的是希望給農民長遠的一個好的受益跟效益但是這個也要審慎如果短期性的因素投入了反倒短期看來好但長遠不見得好甚至於現在我們的整個糧食甚至稻米的一些狀況整體如果沒有把國家資源做一個好的一個配置的話我希望這一塊\n\n21\n00:07:11,078 --> 00:07:12,659\n案﹑一、本院委員邱議瑩等19人擬具«農村再生條例第十五條條文\n\n22\n00:07:31,994 --> 00:07:32,334\n一、本院委員\n\n23\n00:07:54,139 --> 00:08:13,268\n很多的前陣子我講到了甚至包括芒果甚至水蜜桃等等所以水蜜桃的季節來了那變成整個很受到影響那我知道現在農業部也有一些相關方案跟農業局的推動那看來目前好像採用的是用整個電網的一個方式達到比較好的嚇阻效果這個後面會持續來加強推動嗎?\n\n24\n00:08:16,309 --> 00:08:40,652\n我們會持續推動,那我現在想法就是說因為用微電網是被動式的圍堵,那相對被動式圍堵成本也相對比較高。那我們是不是可以另外再搭配我們的農業保險去做成一個比較好的一個積極性的一個萬一受損的時候有相關的一個補償。但是這個東西可能還要做一個精算,因為保險的部分可能牽涉到風險的部分。\n\n25\n00:08:41,513 --> 00:08:41,713\n一、本院委員\n\n26\n00:09:03,809 --> 00:09:05,554\n一、本院委員邱議瑩等17人擬具«農村再生條例第七條條文\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n249\t6112\t我們繼續請賴樂榮委員請做詢問好謝謝主席請陳部長我們再請陳部長好部長好\n16272\t39798\t我們今天處理農村再生條例那其實大概比較關鍵的條文是在第七條的部分這過去大概政府其實有在條文上訂了編了1500億但是其他大概有些委員們希望來提高這個額度那我先問一下過去雖然編了1500億但是從101年開始其實分了四次都有編列進來都有補進來我看到了這個從300多億實際200多億200多億400\n47601\t72222\t276、287、420,到了今年的二月也再補了432億進來。所以這個到了2027年應該是都沒有問題。所以我想關鍵不是在這個額度多少,關鍵是在政府是不是有不斷的撥補進來。你有撥補進來的話這些金額就都夠用。所以其實從這樣看來其實關鍵的問題不在於把1500億往上調升多少,而是在其實政府要不斷的持續撥補進來。\n73723\t87491\t我根本說明就是以現在目前因為農村再生剛好因應外界現在目前的這些極端天候的挑戰所以我們更積極的去讓農村去復育的過程中大概每一年平均大概是大概100億上下\n89933\t109271\t那以這樣的一個經費規模如果未來基金如果餘額不足的時候我們會循我們的行政程序將年度的四年級的計畫去抱怨來請證那合定的時候就會循預算程序來編列這樣的話也可以達到就是說我們同樣去執行相關的這些\n110012\t120515\t事由：審查：立法院第11屆第12會期經濟委員會第12屆第13會期經濟委員會第14會期經濟委員會第15會期經濟委員會第16會期經濟委員會第17會期經濟委員會第17會期經濟委員會第18會期經濟委員會第18會期經濟委員會第18會期經濟委員會第18會期經濟委員會第19會期經濟委員會第19會期經濟委員會第19會期經濟委員會第19會期經濟委員會第20會期經濟委員會第20會期經濟委員會第21會期經濟委員會第22會期經濟委員會第22會期經濟委員會第23\n127637\t145643\t不夠用的時候政府會持續在撥不進啦。對,因為我想農村再生計畫的一個成果我想大家都看得到,所以我相信這樣的一個經費的未來的提出的時候我相信應該會得到一個支持。對,因為你們部裡面也是希望能夠維持這樣的1500億這樣的規模就可以啦齁?對。其實你不會影響到再生能源這個基金的問題嗎?對。\n148618\t170535\t那再來我請教一下其實另外一個當然也是如果假如最後強行要通過這樣的一個修正案的話因為原先的這個1500億的部分其實是在民國99年來通過的來通過的然後訂定的這也是行政院提出來的版本那現在如果立法院沒有\n171655\t173276\t檢查：立法院第11屆第12次全體委員會議：事由：審查：事由：審查：\n195003\t217271\t財政紀律法第七條提到,立法機關修正法案的時候不得增訂固定經費的額度,那這個其實也違反財政紀律法的一個相關的規定。部長同意這樣的看法嗎?對,我們針對委員所提的版本,那我剛才也說過了,農業再生的確是需要經費去支持的。\n217651\t224114\t議員邱議瑩等19人擬具:「農村再生條例第七條條文修正草案：立法院第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次\n241423\t261515\t那行政單位是沒有辦法去預約這樣的一個財政紀律法去給予支持或給予任何的一個comment那問一下部長最近新的國會起來之後很多案子幾乎不太尊重行政院的看法包括行政機關的看法強行通過甚至於把一些預算部分大幅的拉高起來甚至於對整個財政\n262495\t273822\t上的問題也不做考慮,這個是違反財政紀律法甚至有違憲的疑慮的,那如果立法院強行通過這樣的法案的話,\n275851\t295622\t這個農業部這邊會怎麼處理?我想如果立法院通過這樣的一個版本的話我想行政院應該會有一個比較明確的對策因為基本上立法院通過這個法案是違背相關的這些規定嘛那違背相關的規定的話應該會有一些他們特別的一個處置方式來處理\n298337\t313829\t我希望這個還是要積極的做說明我們希望立法院大家在妥善的溝通希望在尊重行政院跟整個體制下的時候因為經費都一定是夠用那關鍵是在政府的撥補不在那個額度的提升額度提得再高政府不撥補其實還是不夠的所以我覺得關鍵還是在撥補我們希望待會來討論的時候能夠做一個處理\n317571\t317871\t公糧收購價格\n329141\t358036\t公糧的一個收購的部分那其實我想包括我們農業部包括委員我們都希望支持我們農民的一個收入這是一個非常重要的那就稻米的產業來講公糧提高公糧價格只是維護稻農的一個所得的其中的一個方法手段之一但是以我們的評估它不是一個最好的方法因為以過往的經驗我們在100年曾經提高了3塊跟2塊那當年度的確\n359036\t361657\t事由：立法院第11屆第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會\n376045\t404894\t維持在那樣子那第二個部分是公糧只佔我們所有的稻米裡面的百分之三十事實上是百分之七十是由民間的自營糧來收購的所以怎麼樣去提高民間的自營糧的一個價格產地價格那才是我們應該要去注意的所以農業部現在目前已經有一個陸陸續續在規劃一個比較完整的一個政策去想辦法去提升我們的自營糧的這些資生自營糧的價格\n405774\t430157\t那這樣子才能夠讓我們的稻農真正能夠確保它的收入我希望所有的政策的目的是希望給農民長遠的一個好的受益跟效益但是這個也要審慎如果短期性的因素投入了反倒短期看來好但長遠不見得好甚至於現在我們的整個糧食甚至稻米的一些狀況整體如果沒有把國家資源做一個好的一個配置的話我希望這一塊\n431078\t432659\t案﹑一、本院委員邱議瑩等19人擬具 «農村再生條例第十五條條文\n451994\t452334\t一、本院委員\n474139\t493268\t很多的前陣子我講到了甚至包括芒果甚至水蜜桃等等所以水蜜桃的季節來了那變成整個很受到影響那我知道現在農業部也有一些相關方案跟農業局的推動那看來目前好像採用的是用整個電網的一個方式達到比較好的嚇阻效果這個後面會持續來加強推動嗎?\n496309\t520652\t我們會持續推動,那我現在想法就是說因為用微電網是被動式的圍堵,那相對被動式圍堵成本也相對比較高。那我們是不是可以另外再搭配我們的農業保險去做成一個比較好的一個積極性的一個萬一受損的時候有相關的一個補償。但是這個東西可能還要做一個精算,因為保險的部分可能牽涉到風險的部分。\n521513\t521713\t一、本院委員\n543809\t545554\t一、本院委員邱議瑩等17人擬具 «農村再生條例第七條條文\n","txt":"我們繼續請賴樂榮委員請做詢問好謝謝主席請陳部長我們再請陳部長好部長好\n我們今天處理農村再生條例那其實大概比較關鍵的條文是在第七條的部分這過去大概政府其實有在條文上訂了編了1500億但是其他大概有些委員們希望來提高這個額度那我先問一下過去雖然編了1500億但是從101年開始其實分了四次都有編列進來都有補進來我看到了這個從300多億實際200多億200多億400\n276、287、420,到了今年的二月也再補了432億進來。所以這個到了2027年應該是都沒有問題。所以我想關鍵不是在這個額度多少,關鍵是在政府是不是有不斷的撥補進來。你有撥補進來的話這些金額就都夠用。所以其實從這樣看來其實關鍵的問題不在於把1500億往上調升多少,而是在其實政府要不斷的持續撥補進來。\n我根本說明就是以現在目前因為農村再生剛好因應外界現在目前的這些極端天候的挑戰所以我們更積極的去讓農村去復育的過程中大概每一年平均大概是大概100億上下\n那以這樣的一個經費規模如果未來基金如果餘額不足的時候我們會循我們的行政程序將年度的四年級的計畫去抱怨來請證那合定的時候就會循預算程序來編列這樣的話也可以達到就是說我們同樣去執行相關的這些\n事由：審查：立法院第11屆第12會期經濟委員會第12屆第13會期經濟委員會第14會期經濟委員會第15會期經濟委員會第16會期經濟委員會第17會期經濟委員會第17會期經濟委員會第18會期經濟委員會第18會期經濟委員會第18會期經濟委員會第18會期經濟委員會第19會期經濟委員會第19會期經濟委員會第19會期經濟委員會第19會期經濟委員會第20會期經濟委員會第20會期經濟委員會第21會期經濟委員會第22會期經濟委員會第22會期經濟委員會第23\n不夠用的時候政府會持續在撥不進啦。對,因為我想農村再生計畫的一個成果我想大家都看得到,所以我相信這樣的一個經費的未來的提出的時候我相信應該會得到一個支持。對,因為你們部裡面也是希望能夠維持這樣的1500億這樣的規模就可以啦齁?對。其實你不會影響到再生能源這個基金的問題嗎?對。\n那再來我請教一下其實另外一個當然也是如果假如最後強行要通過這樣的一個修正案的話因為原先的這個1500億的部分其實是在民國99年來通過的來通過的然後訂定的這也是行政院提出來的版本那現在如果立法院沒有\n檢查：立法院第11屆第12次全體委員會議：事由：審查：事由：審查：\n財政紀律法第七條提到,立法機關修正法案的時候不得增訂固定經費的額度,那這個其實也違反財政紀律法的一個相關的規定。部長同意這樣的看法嗎?對,我們針對委員所提的版本,那我剛才也說過了,農業再生的確是需要經費去支持的。\n議員邱議瑩等19人擬具:「農村再生條例第七條條文修正草案：立法院第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次\n那行政單位是沒有辦法去預約這樣的一個財政紀律法去給予支持或給予任何的一個comment那問一下部長最近新的國會起來之後很多案子幾乎不太尊重行政院的看法包括行政機關的看法強行通過甚至於把一些預算部分大幅的拉高起來甚至於對整個財政\n上的問題也不做考慮,這個是違反財政紀律法甚至有違憲的疑慮的,那如果立法院強行通過這樣的法案的話,\n這個農業部這邊會怎麼處理?我想如果立法院通過這樣的一個版本的話我想行政院應該會有一個比較明確的對策因為基本上立法院通過這個法案是違背相關的這些規定嘛那違背相關的規定的話應該會有一些他們特別的一個處置方式來處理\n我希望這個還是要積極的做說明我們希望立法院大家在妥善的溝通希望在尊重行政院跟整個體制下的時候因為經費都一定是夠用那關鍵是在政府的撥補不在那個額度的提升額度提得再高政府不撥補其實還是不夠的所以我覺得關鍵還是在撥補我們希望待會來討論的時候能夠做一個處理\n公糧收購價格\n公糧的一個收購的部分那其實我想包括我們農業部包括委員我們都希望支持我們農民的一個收入這是一個非常重要的那就稻米的產業來講公糧提高公糧價格只是維護稻農的一個所得的其中的一個方法手段之一但是以我們的評估它不是一個最好的方法因為以過往的經驗我們在100年曾經提高了3塊跟2塊那當年度的確\n事由：立法院第11屆第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會\n維持在那樣子那第二個部分是公糧只佔我們所有的稻米裡面的百分之三十事實上是百分之七十是由民間的自營糧來收購的所以怎麼樣去提高民間的自營糧的一個價格產地價格那才是我們應該要去注意的所以農業部現在目前已經有一個陸陸續續在規劃一個比較完整的一個政策去想辦法去提升我們的自營糧的這些資生自營糧的價格\n那這樣子才能夠讓我們的稻農真正能夠確保它的收入我希望所有的政策的目的是希望給農民長遠的一個好的受益跟效益但是這個也要審慎如果短期性的因素投入了反倒短期看來好但長遠不見得好甚至於現在我們的整個糧食甚至稻米的一些狀況整體如果沒有把國家資源做一個好的一個配置的話我希望這一塊\n案﹑一、本院委員邱議瑩等19人擬具 «農村再生條例第十五條條文\n一、本院委員\n很多的前陣子我講到了甚至包括芒果甚至水蜜桃等等所以水蜜桃的季節來了那變成整個很受到影響那我知道現在農業部也有一些相關方案跟農業局的推動那看來目前好像採用的是用整個電網的一個方式達到比較好的嚇阻效果這個後面會持續來加強推動嗎?\n我們會持續推動,那我現在想法就是說因為用微電網是被動式的圍堵,那相對被動式圍堵成本也相對比較高。那我們是不是可以另外再搭配我們的農業保險去做成一個比較好的一個積極性的一個萬一受損的時候有相關的一個補償。但是這個東西可能還要做一個精算,因為保險的部分可能牽涉到風險的部分。\n一、本院委員\n一、本院委員邱議瑩等17人擬具 «農村再生條例第七條條文\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.249 --> 00:06.112\n我們繼續請賴樂榮委員請做詢問好謝謝主席請陳部長我們再請陳部長好部長好\n\n00:16.272 --> 00:39.798\n我們今天處理農村再生條例那其實大概比較關鍵的條文是在第七條的部分這過去大概政府其實有在條文上訂了編了1500億但是其他大概有些委員們希望來提高這個額度那我先問一下過去雖然編了1500億但是從101年開始其實分了四次都有編列進來都有補進來我看到了這個從300多億實際200多億200多億400\n\n00:47.601 --> 01:12.222\n276、287、420,到了今年的二月也再補了432億進來。所以這個到了2027年應該是都沒有問題。所以我想關鍵不是在這個額度多少,關鍵是在政府是不是有不斷的撥補進來。你有撥補進來的話這些金額就都夠用。所以其實從這樣看來其實關鍵的問題不在於把1500億往上調升多少,而是在其實政府要不斷的持續撥補進來。\n\n01:13.723 --> 01:27.491\n我根本說明就是以現在目前因為農村再生剛好因應外界現在目前的這些極端天候的挑戰所以我們更積極的去讓農村去復育的過程中大概每一年平均大概是大概100億上下\n\n01:29.933 --> 01:49.271\n那以這樣的一個經費規模如果未來基金如果餘額不足的時候我們會循我們的行政程序將年度的四年級的計畫去抱怨來請證那合定的時候就會循預算程序來編列這樣的話也可以達到就是說我們同樣去執行相關的這些\n\n01:50.012 --> 02:00.515\n事由：審查：立法院第11屆第12會期經濟委員會第12屆第13會期經濟委員會第14會期經濟委員會第15會期經濟委員會第16會期經濟委員會第17會期經濟委員會第17會期經濟委員會第18會期經濟委員會第18會期經濟委員會第18會期經濟委員會第18會期經濟委員會第19會期經濟委員會第19會期經濟委員會第19會期經濟委員會第19會期經濟委員會第20會期經濟委員會第20會期經濟委員會第21會期經濟委員會第22會期經濟委員會第22會期經濟委員會第23\n\n02:07.637 --> 02:25.643\n不夠用的時候政府會持續在撥不進啦。對,因為我想農村再生計畫的一個成果我想大家都看得到,所以我相信這樣的一個經費的未來的提出的時候我相信應該會得到一個支持。對,因為你們部裡面也是希望能夠維持這樣的1500億這樣的規模就可以啦齁?對。其實你不會影響到再生能源這個基金的問題嗎?對。\n\n02:28.618 --> 02:50.535\n那再來我請教一下其實另外一個當然也是如果假如最後強行要通過這樣的一個修正案的話因為原先的這個1500億的部分其實是在民國99年來通過的來通過的然後訂定的這也是行政院提出來的版本那現在如果立法院沒有\n\n02:51.655 --> 02:53.276\n檢查：立法院第11屆第12次全體委員會議：事由：審查：事由：審查：\n\n03:15.003 --> 03:37.271\n財政紀律法第七條提到,立法機關修正法案的時候不得增訂固定經費的額度,那這個其實也違反財政紀律法的一個相關的規定。部長同意這樣的看法嗎?對,我們針對委員所提的版本,那我剛才也說過了,農業再生的確是需要經費去支持的。\n\n03:37.651 --> 03:44.114\n議員邱議瑩等19人擬具:「農村再生條例第七條條文修正草案：立法院第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次\n\n04:01.423 --> 04:21.515\n那行政單位是沒有辦法去預約這樣的一個財政紀律法去給予支持或給予任何的一個comment那問一下部長最近新的國會起來之後很多案子幾乎不太尊重行政院的看法包括行政機關的看法強行通過甚至於把一些預算部分大幅的拉高起來甚至於對整個財政\n\n04:22.495 --> 04:33.822\n上的問題也不做考慮,這個是違反財政紀律法甚至有違憲的疑慮的,那如果立法院強行通過這樣的法案的話,\n\n04:35.851 --> 04:55.622\n這個農業部這邊會怎麼處理?我想如果立法院通過這樣的一個版本的話我想行政院應該會有一個比較明確的對策因為基本上立法院通過這個法案是違背相關的這些規定嘛那違背相關的規定的話應該會有一些他們特別的一個處置方式來處理\n\n04:58.337 --> 05:13.829\n我希望這個還是要積極的做說明我們希望立法院大家在妥善的溝通希望在尊重行政院跟整個體制下的時候因為經費都一定是夠用那關鍵是在政府的撥補不在那個額度的提升額度提得再高政府不撥補其實還是不夠的所以我覺得關鍵還是在撥補我們希望待會來討論的時候能夠做一個處理\n\n05:17.571 --> 05:17.871\n公糧收購價格\n\n05:29.141 --> 05:58.036\n公糧的一個收購的部分那其實我想包括我們農業部包括委員我們都希望支持我們農民的一個收入這是一個非常重要的那就稻米的產業來講公糧提高公糧價格只是維護稻農的一個所得的其中的一個方法手段之一但是以我們的評估它不是一個最好的方法因為以過往的經驗我們在100年曾經提高了3塊跟2塊那當年度的確\n\n05:59.036 --> 06:01.657\n事由：立法院第11屆第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會\n\n06:16.045 --> 06:44.894\n維持在那樣子那第二個部分是公糧只佔我們所有的稻米裡面的百分之三十事實上是百分之七十是由民間的自營糧來收購的所以怎麼樣去提高民間的自營糧的一個價格產地價格那才是我們應該要去注意的所以農業部現在目前已經有一個陸陸續續在規劃一個比較完整的一個政策去想辦法去提升我們的自營糧的這些資生自營糧的價格\n\n06:45.774 --> 07:10.157\n那這樣子才能夠讓我們的稻農真正能夠確保它的收入我希望所有的政策的目的是希望給農民長遠的一個好的受益跟效益但是這個也要審慎如果短期性的因素投入了反倒短期看來好但長遠不見得好甚至於現在我們的整個糧食甚至稻米的一些狀況整體如果沒有把國家資源做一個好的一個配置的話我希望這一塊\n\n07:11.078 --> 07:12.659\n案﹑一、本院委員邱議瑩等19人擬具«農村再生條例第十五條條文\n\n07:31.994 --> 07:32.334\n一、本院委員\n\n07:54.139 --> 08:13.268\n很多的前陣子我講到了甚至包括芒果甚至水蜜桃等等所以水蜜桃的季節來了那變成整個很受到影響那我知道現在農業部也有一些相關方案跟農業局的推動那看來目前好像採用的是用整個電網的一個方式達到比較好的嚇阻效果這個後面會持續來加強推動嗎?\n\n08:16.309 --> 08:40.652\n我們會持續推動,那我現在想法就是說因為用微電網是被動式的圍堵,那相對被動式圍堵成本也相對比較高。那我們是不是可以另外再搭配我們的農業保險去做成一個比較好的一個積極性的一個萬一受損的時候有相關的一個補償。但是這個東西可能還要做一個精算,因為保險的部分可能牽涉到風險的部分。\n\n08:41.513 --> 08:41.713\n一、本院委員\n\n09:03.809 --> 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